5-On-5: All Star Break Edition 2017
2017-02-21It’s been a while since we’ve broken down some tasty takes on the Cavs in five easy pieces, but with the weeklong break between games to digest the empty calories of All Star Weekend, the quintet of Tom, David, Cory, Nate and yours truly decided to raise the bar on our opinions of the sweet and salty state of the season so far. In this edition, we chew on how good this team is versus last year’s, what ingredients they might still need, which missing pieces are most essential, if the MVP can be King-sized, and get to the gooey center of whether or not any of the competition can stick with the Cavs. All in all, we aimed to give you five layers of wow! Here’s hoping you find it deliciously satisfying…
1) The Cavs are a game behind last year’s pace at the break… but are they better this year?
Tom:
They haven’t been better, as the 2015-2016 squad managed to finish 10th in Defense Rating. They currently stand 20th in Defense Rating for the 2016-2017 season. They’ve improved a tick from 4th to 3rd in Offensive Rating, but overall they haven’t been a better team, despite Kyrie Irving having a bounce back season. That said, the Cavs offensive ceiling is just on a different plane this year. When they are firing on all cylinders, they are impossible to keep from getting open looks around the arc, where they boast the second highest team 3P% at a blistering 39%. Only the Spurs shoot a higher percentage and they take 11 less 3s per game! So, the Cavs are 2nd in the NBA (Rockets) in 3P attempts and 2nd (Spurs) in percentage. And, this seems to be a sustainable meteor shower. While it’s possible that LeBron (39%) and Shumpert (40%) are not going to keep that percentage up, J.R. Smith (career 38%) has been out for the last two months, and Kyle Korver (2nd in the league in percentage) just got here — so that should even out. Last year’s squad flashed this offensive potency a few times in the playoffs. One time, Ernie Johnson quipped during halftime of a 74-38 lead over the Hawks: “Game 3 is Friday, if necessary.
David:
The Cavs are behind last year’s pace by just one game and, honestly, they’re lucky it’s not more. They’ve dealt with so many issues this season: Smith’s injury, LeBron’s toddler tantrums, Love’s creakiness, Love’s injury, Matthew Dellavedova’s absence, etc… This team is missing a backup point-guard and backup big. But, they’re somehow still getting it done.
The first pictured stats selection is from 55 games into last season, and the second picture shows the first 55 games of this season. They’re very similar. It’s nice to the see the Cavs are actually hitting more 3s and shooting them better this year. The biggest difference this year though is that the team doesn’t play consistently. One night they’ll have 25 assists and the next they’ll have 11. Some nights they blow 17 point leads and others they hold teams to 40% shooting. If the Cavs get healthy and play more consistently, they’re going to be terrifying.
Cory:
Even with the lengthy absence of J.R. Smith, and the recent loss of Kevin Love, the team is in a much better place than they were at last year’s All-Star Weekend. A year ago, LeBron was pining to play with his banana boat friends, presumably elsewhere. The team was less than a month removed from firing David Blatt, and we were arguing whether Griff could con Danny Ainge into getting Jae Crowder AND Avery Bradley for Love in a trade.
Nate:
The Cavs are the basketball equivalent of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. You cannot measure their current position (in terms of quality of play) and simultaneously measure their direction (whether they’re getting better, worse, etc). That applies to every aspect of their organization and personnel. Will LeBron be cranky this week? Will it mean he’ll be mad or lazy? Is Kyrie trolling the media or does he really think the earth is flat? Will he be shot hunting or assist hunting? Will Shump keep his game simple, or will he overdribble? Are we getting getting gator arms Frye or a rebound, roll, and three maven? By the time you’ve pinned any of these guys down, they’ve already changed direction.
Fortunately, the Cavs use this principle to their advantage and can morph to defeat any defense – when they want to. By the time a team has schemed to defeat their platoon of three point riflemen, they’re throwing lobs to Tristan Thompson. Just when you think they couldn’t defend my Mom, they hold hold the Wolves to 15 in the fourth. So the short answer? Who the hell knows? The Cavs shooting is better, light years better, and that’s without J.R. LeBron can hit threes again. Kyrie’s at 39%. Shump’s at 40%. Everyone rotation guy save Tristan (and arguably Richard Jefferson) can flat out shoot the rock. But with Kevin Love and J.R. Smith still returning from injury, the Cavs struggling to defend, and their inability to fill the void of Timo (hulking big man) and Delly (backup guard who can guard two positions, run the offense, and super-irritate people). They’ll get there, though. The long answer? No. They’re not better. But they will be.
EG:
Better is a hard term to quantify at the moment… primarily due to the various injuries and set backs the Cavs have faced so far this season. As a result, they show intermittent glimpses of being the fully operational battle station… mixed with odd rotational anomalies and defensive inconsistencies. If you break it down, you’d have to say that LeBron is having a statistically better year (in fact maybe one of the best statistical years in terms of efficiency, assist rate and three point shooting of his career), though his usage also seems way up with no backup PG. Kyrie is having a much better year than last year (mostly since he’s not coming off a broken kneecap), and has found a way to tap his inner facilitator more frequently (he’s had more double digit assist games this year than he’s had in the first four years of his career combined). Kevin Love (before the injury) was having his best statistical year to date as a Cav, and deserved his All Star selection. The supporting cast is also better than last year’s. Shump is shooting better, Frye is more effective and Korver is a major upgrade (especially once JR comes back). The one thing that’s worse than last year is the defense, but how much of that is a combination of mid-season malaise, guys being out, and teams giving the reigning champs their best shot nightly? They do also sometimes miss the ballhandling and grit of Delly, but not as much as it seemed like they would. So, yes, I would say when it’s all added up, they are better…
INTERESTING !!
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I think this guy could really help the Cavs. Let’s hope that he is at least at 80% from where he was when he left the game. At the right cost he would be a great addition IMO.
Size, athleticism and anger
https://twitter.com/AmicoHoops/status/834276322801238016
Deron Williams back to the Jazz?
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18737564/utah-jazz-express-interest-re-acquiring-former-all-star-guard-deron-williams
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/834222284487401472
Pelicans say no
Why? They clear $6.5 off the books for this summer. More after they stretch pay Asik.
Because I think they need Frazier if they want to make the playoffs this year,
They’ve already declared that Frazier is the starting PG now… and Quinn Cook will probably be the backup if he impressed them today…
But if they’d say yes, that’s a great deal for Cleveland.
Tyreeke
…is not coming to Cleveland.
…is a bricklayer.
..gets hurt a lot.
…would be a perfect fit
…on the Knicks.
He’s got “reek” right in his name…
Also, Cavs supposedly interested in Darren Collison from the Kings. He fits with Grif’s MO: shoots 42% from three. But is 5’11” and isn’t much of a defender. Cavs could do it for Kay, Liggins, McRae, and Jefferson, or they could move Shumpert and Change for Koufos and Colison.
Nah. Not worth Shumpert
Lou Williams to the Rockets for Corey Brewer and a first. Interesting trade. Lou now takes all of Harden’s backup minutes and they probably play together for 10 minutes a night or so. PBev gets fewer minutes and boy, do they get even worse defensively. Cory Brewer wasn’t doing much for them shooting wise, but had a dRPM around one. Williams? -1.72 but an ORPM of 4.2. I don’t think it’s great needle mover for Houston in the ‘offs, but will help with Harden’s On/Off and keep him fresh for the playorrs.
Wow. Great trade for Houston.
Magic not wasting any time… expect a few more trades coming. Heard he’s trying to move Calderon as well…
This stuff is great by the way: the Pablo Torre piece on LeBron in this months ESPN Mag, as well as his appearance to discuss it on Kornheiser this morning (starting at 16:33). Both are good, and speak to LeBron’s unprecedented business and sports empire. No joke, LeBron will be president some day.
Yeah. I’m that piece is great. I’ll listen to the pod tomorrow
So Pellies looking to move Terrence Jones, apparently. Would you do this:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hmn9m9h
No
I would…
It would take a full season for butler to matter to the Celtics. He wouldn’t make them a threat this year. There is only one defender who can keep Lebron out of the paint, and he plays for a team we won’t see in the playoffs from San Antonio.
The last time LeBron played the Spurs in the Finals, Leonard “held” LeBron to 28.2 pts, 7.8 reb, 4.0 assists (because he teammates couldn’t hit anything)
Yes but part of the reason for that is he made LeBron work to get those points and it was heavy iso. Pretty much every other team has to collapse onto LeBron when he drives or when he backs his defender down – and then the 3s start flying. Leonard does as good a job as anyone on LeBron.
I don’t know. I remember that series and the Heat guys were awful when Leb passed them the ball. I’m sure Leonard does as good a job as he can, but he “held” LeBron to MVP numbers.
I get that and I agree with you wholeheartedly. But Jimmy butler is too small to handle Lebron by himself. Kawhi is big enough to allow his teammates to stay home for the most part. He’s the only defender in the league with the size and speed to match Lebron one on one. The Greek freak is the only other player I can think of
Great post! Good to see so many different perspectives. My five are below: 1. They are better if healthy. But health is their biggest threat. 2. This relates to question 1. If Love and JR come back healthy, I think an extra big is more important. With Korver and Shump shooting so well, when JR comes back we will be good for playmakers/scorers. 3. I think we need both to repeat. But I have no real insight on who comes back stronger. 4. LBJ is the MVP every year. He is the best player in the league by a wide… Read more »
You are correct about how criminally underrated LeBron is. Even on Cavs blogs people forget every January what will happen in the playoffs.
We don’t forget. We just actually have to produce content about what is actually happening.
Good thing I’m around to keep reminding you.
Haha. Fair point Nate.
With Magic and Jeannie now running the Lake Show… I fully expect there to be rumors of them trying to get Melo to LA by the deadline… Magic was also a big fan of Jahlil Okafor, so that’s also a possibility… Wonder if the Mitch K and Jim Buss ouster came from their unwillingness to include Ingram in a possible Boogie deal…
May be right on the Ingram speculation, EG. The Lakers should have pulled the trigger on that trade IMO, and rolled the dice on the re-signing.
Agreed.
Great post gentlepersons. What ever happened to those TakeFive candy bars – I loved those.
I believe our biggest issue right now is Love, hands down. He was noticeably stronger this year, because he was able to work out. He’s going to be unable to work his legs, and remember, this is the same thing that Mozgov struggled to recover from. A knee injury to a tall person is bad, and describing it as “minor” surgery does not give me comfort. I think we could survive without J.R., I don’t know if we survive without Love.
Good point. Now you have me worrying. Fortunately, Cols will cure that.
Mozgov was way less athletic and way less good at basketball than Love. Also he was super awkward and older. This comparison of Love to Mozgov injury wise holds no water.
Great 5 on 5 discussion. Bring on the last part of the regular season !!
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Cook looked really unimpressive in the D-league all star game. Not quick enough.
Yeah. He was the MVP and hit the game winner. Super unimpressive.
I mean, Felder dominates the D-league when he’s down there and can’t get off the chairs in the NBA. I don’t think D-league domination translates at all.
I hope Ainge balks at getting Butler (assuming he’s gettable), and I hope all his ‘assets’ turn out to be turds. I still can’t believe that Nets trade, worst trade in NBA history, worst trade that will ever happen, and one of the two most unworthy franchises in the league is the recipient…
Even if the Celtics get Butler we’d still beat them rather handily come playoff time.
Colsbot has spoken.
You probably poured over a ton of analytics and watched a lot of tape to come to this conclusion.
I did. I checked to see if the Celtics would have LeBron James. The answer was no. So we win easily. They may take a game.
It took me about 30 seconds to collect myself after reading this comment. Cols, unlike Leb, you never take a day off!
To be honest I don’t expect the Cavs to pull out a great trade. I think they are just going to add a few pieces just to try end the regular season the right way and give LBK and Kyrie some needed rest. And probably those additions will not likely see much action come playoff time. So basically will have to try to defend their chip with the same guys that went to battle last year. We’ll see if it’s enough.
Plus D. Williams and Korver, both will get playoff minutes. Plus healthy and good Shump. Plus no Mozgov or Delly dragging the team down.
Korver will definitely enter the 8-9 guys rotation, Williams I’m not sure. It would be nice if the Cavs can sign Bogut if the Mavs let him go.
There is zero question that Williams will be in the finals rotation. Did you miss the last few games?
I think it’s still questionable actually. But I’m leaning towards him being in the rotation.
Williams is a great energy guy and is a great “regular season addition” but we all know he has a great tendency of playing an extremely short rotation in the playoffs more specifically in the ECS and NBA finals. I guess we will see.
Things I hate – the melodrama (no pun intended, but good example of what I mean). Happy zone – the woodshop and the telestrator and bball breakdown (despite coach nick being a closet lebron hater)
Also things i hate that dont need to be mentioned but Sting used to be in the group :)
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Sting is actually very good in many aspects of the music business.
He is also the kind of guy that lets Salman Rushdie stay at his house for a couple of years while the top nutcase in Iran is issuing fatwas to kill on sight. Not sure if anyone on CtB made the same offer.
I know that the Cavs are unlikely to sign anyone that makes a difference, but if they were I want Tyreke or Deron Williams.
I want Marc Gasol and Giannis. They’re about as likely.
Yeah. I know.
One of the biggest myth in basketball is that Russell Westbrook plays defense just because he plays angry all the time. His defense is actually worse than James Harden this season and his triple double is somewhat over inflated. KD and KLeonard play more consistent defense than LeBron but they don’t have his leadership and facilitator/playmaking burden.
Westbrook is still awesome. But LeBron is the MVP of the league and has been every year since 2007. No other player gives you as much as he does. No other player guarantees you a trip to the Finals.
Did Tyreke sign his contract with the Cavs yet?
Great discussion. Nice to see a somewhat mix of opinions within the group.
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he’s got some crazy athleticism. I’d take a flyer on him
I agree, the Cavs need some young talent of course coach Lue hast to actually play them lol.
By young talent do you mean, Kyrie, Shump, Love, DWilliams? Because that’s some pretty good young talent.
Love isn’t really young. Shump is probably not going to get much better, which is fine. He is a serviceable 3 and d guy this year who is pretty good in man defense and a pretty bad help/team defender. We will see if his shooting lasts, doubtful. I don’t think Williams has a high ceiling. Kyrie ceiling is still at a close to MVP level. He could still get much better.
I forgot about TT too. Love is 28. I’m just saying that there is plenty of young talent here. Actually it’s a perfect mix of young and vets. DWilliams>McLemore
Me too. TT will be solid for quite a few years. I agree. Not a huge fan of Mclemore. I would like another playmaker though for the remainder of the regular season. I don’t know who they could realistically get though.
Good post.
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