The Point-Fourward: Back and Forth We Go
2017-06-21Four points I’m thinking about the NBA…
1. Here in sunny Berlin, I just shared a delightful walk along the canal. My buddy had his lovely six-month-old daughter in tow. Or shall I say, he pushed her around in one of those fancy multipurpose strollers that might be able to do your taxes if you could execute the manual’s page 34 properly. It’s an absolutely gorgeous day full of people enjoying the park. In Kreuzberg, most of those people seem to have babies of their own. Walking with him and his daughter, I saw countless “knowing glances” exchanged between parents. I caught some of the glances myself as more than a few people assumed that I and my friend were a happy Berlin couple, and that his little one was as much mine as his. It was as if I had joined a club without realizing it. An immediate kinship was granted simply by having had a baby-on-board.
It got me thinking about the relationships that we build through shared experience. Whether it be positive, negative, or something in between, a primary empathetic understanding is born from the obvious “I’ve been there”. Yes, our perspectives will always differ no matter how similar the circumstances, but the more we have in common, the less we criticize. As my buddy said, “I realize now that no parent ever judges me for having a crying baby.”
It’s a primary reason why ex-NBA players are more respected as coaches and executives than those who didn’t play in the association. It’s the reason why a video coordinator type has to fight an uphill battle to garner a smidgen of respect, regardless of apparent basketball acumen.
It also might be the only thing that saves this train-wreck-spilling-oil-over-a-dumpster-fire of a situation in Cleveland. With David Griffin deciding to move on(and let’s be very clear, it was ultimately his decision), the Cavs and Comic Dan Gilbert are praying that Chauncey Billups’ reputation as a leader and former All-Star point guard will give LeBron James some peace of mind going forward.
2. But did you see LeBron’s tweet?!? Yes, I did. Clearly, we should all immediately jump to the conclusion that this is the end of the line for King James 2.0 in Cleveland, and that Kyrie will immediately jump ship directly after. Or we could chill out for a second, recognize that there is a lot of mutual respect between Billups and LeBron, and consider the fact that that player-to-player respect may be the saving grace in an otherwise strange narrative.
It’s admittedly difficult. Mr. Big Shot is not one to back down from The Chosen One. Billups has criticized James in the past for not being a good leader and offered his theoretical reaction to LeBron’s ball spin. We could easily conclude that this hire would be a power move on behalf of Dan Gilbert effectively whining “this is my team, LeBron. Mine!”
It very well may be. It would be another hometown based move that doesn’t make a lot of sense outside of the Detroit prism. Still, I would like to take LeBron’s word that he enjoys tough love and that a one time NBA Finals MVP would have the clout to push James to even greater heights.
I know. It doesn’t sound horribly likely. I would almost prefer a complete and utter lackey of a president (or GM or for whatever it is that Chauncey is currently being considered), than someone as seemingly strong-willed as Billups. It would make more sense to me if the issue of conflict was that David Griffin wanted too much power, power that ultimately should be LeBron’s, and when he wasn’t granted stated power, he felt he had to walk.
For public-relations and brand reasons, it would make sense for LeBron to outwardly support Griffin, all the while being content that the power is ultimately his. That may be the best case scenario. Like Lue for David Blatt, I hope LeBron is pulling all the strings to get people he trusts in places of import. It would give us a bit of confidence in LeBron 2.0 lasting beyond 2018.
3. Speaking of Lue for Blatt, it is rather obnoxious that the same people killing Gilbert for not consulting LeBron about Griffin’s departure (and I repeat, there was a deal offered that Griffin declined), are forgetting that Griffin reportedly did the same thing when he fired Blatt and promoted Lue. Which is it? Either we think LeBron should be consulted about absolutely everything, or we think these people are all tasked with diverse jobs to do with a modicum of autonomy.
I simply can’t imagine that LeBron wasn’t consulted about both decisions. It seems insane to me that Griffin would fire Blatt or that Gilbert would allow Griffin’s contract negotiations to die without LeBron’s blessing. I just don’t buy it.
However, Griffin swears that the Blatt firing was all him. If that is true, maybe fans shouldn’t be so torn up about his departure. And similarly, if Gilbert is trying to pull a power play over LeBron with the Billups plan, fans are rightfully terrified.
4. So what was the main point of contention? In all likelihood, it was based around possible trade scenarios involving Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving. Ya know. And money. There are mixed reports that contradict each other directly. Some are reporting Gilbert was against an Irving trade, while some reports state it was actually Griffin who was against it. We simply don’t know.
What is clear is that any general manager for the Cleveland Cavaliers is not fully in control of the roster as long as LeBron James is around. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, but it definitely makes the job less appealing to a certain kind of leader and more appealing to the another type. More importantly, it makes the job less lucrative.
Then again, a new general manager is completely free to trade anyone without seemingly contradicting previous decisions. Say LeBron and the Cavs know that they need a wing defender like Paul George and/or Jimmy Butler. It’s easier for a guy who didn’t trade for Kevin Love to trade away Kevin Love. It’s easier for that new guy to trade away Kyrie Irving in a potential blockbuster if he hasn’t spent the last few years waxing poetically about Irving’s talent.
Great leaders, business persons, or whatevers always need to balance their word from the past with the actions of the now. It’s hard to be trustworthy and have the freedom to change one’s mind without losing credibility or, conversely, flexibility. Some people cry “flip-flopper” for better and for worse. David Griffin probably felt that he couldn’t reverse his stance on Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving. He might have decided to die on that hill. He may ultimately be vindicated.
Personally, I think a team with LeBron, George, and Butler would be better equipped to win a championship next season. I’m not actively for trading any of these guys(except for Shumpert. Please trade Shump), but no one on the roster should be untouchable. Yes, no one. If Gilbert agrees with that, then I guess I agree with him. If that is Griffin’s stance, I’m in his corner.
We really don’t know yet. That’s the reason I decided to go for a walk with my buddy this morning instead of immediately sitting down to write. We are going to need more information before we slip too deeply into sports despair. In the meantime, go out and get some fresh air. It’s a beautiful day.
Jesus. Jalen and Wilbon are awful. Just awful. Wilbon always rips bron cause he worships at the cult of Jordan. God, I hate these two.
Why subject yourself to such ignorant, irrational, nonsense? Jalen is usually off base and Wilbon is essentially PTI/Around the horn ignorant. Yeah. People who watch that nonsense are dum dums. Enjoy people. Have fun with that.
EG, did you go see the new Transformers movie? Looks like a mess.
Uh, it’s a transformers movie.
The first one was good and coherent.
Uh… It was filled with humping.
No, as a general rule I do not watch them… or give money to Michael Bay for any reason…
https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/877944351376121856
I would say Phil will trade him to the Lakers, then announce that he himself is joining the Laker front office, but I don’t think he’s quite finished destroying the Knicks yet…
So… no GM for the Draft… I guess they won’t be trading back into it this year…
https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/877940471720325120
They’ll be all over the phone lines. Remember, the guys making the calls now are working for a job and to make impressions with other front offices.
Would be funny if Cavs could buy back their pick from Portland.
Less likely that Love is traded for Melo today, imo…
This is genius… (apologies for the profanity…)
https://twitter.com/JADubin5/status/877611188913291264
The week that Ron Howard and Chauncey Billups possibly have something in common…
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/877933454591008768
Anyone mad at @CavsDan can just be glad we don’t have this alternative…
https://twitter.com/SInow/status/877938031373582336
What show is that on the tv in the background?
https://twitter.com/uninterrupted/status/877903069479968768
Now, this would make sense… but only if they shipped Wiggins back to Bulls…
https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/877935629065232384
My predictions: George ends up on a sucky laker team, Butler stays put, and the Celtics send a godfather offer to knocks for the Zinger.
The #3, a pick next year, and Jaylin Brown?
And Olynyk or zeller.
Gah. Those guys suck.
In all likelihood, yes. I think PG could help us be more competitive against gs, but I just don’t see that happening.
https://twitter.com/ESPNCleveland/status/877912697680961536
Yep. Thanks for posting this. I was going to, but then figured the backlash would just make CtB more into the chaos.
Agree with Cols. Probably the best plan is to not do anything crazy. Try to figure out some ways to improve, possibly trading Shump or some bench players. One thing that CAN be done is majorly improving the bench. Lue has got to learn to develop players. This will NOT vault the Cavs past the Warriors as the team to beat, but it will leave them with a better shot than last year. Then we got to hope to get lucky. An injury to Durant would zap the dubs. An injury to Curry might. Donkey might wind up in jail.… Read more »
This is the stalemate part of trades.
The weird thing is that most of the Cavs stuff happens when there are no leaks. It’s just suddenly, “breaking Cavs traded for…”
So let’s say the Cavs do nothing regarding PG or Butler, is there a way to bring better bench players for the likes of Deron, JJ and Frye?
Yes. Cavs will have to move Shump and/or Frye. Plus they have the midlevel.
Plus buyouts. We are so getting Carmelo in February on a buyout,
Who is a sucker enough to do shump and frye for anyone actually helpful?
Good point JRL, if the Cavs can’t improve their starting 5 then they could try to improve their bench. But then again they will need to improve drastically.
Cavs no longer pursuing Jimmy Butler or Paul George.
Those guys were long shots anyways. I’m glad they tried though.
BELIEVE THE NBA ” INTENTIONALLY HYPES ” SOME RUMORS TO ATTEMPT TO STILL ” CORNER ” THE SPORTS MEDIA —-EVEN DURING THE SO CALLED OFF SEASON—HAVE LEARNED WELL FROM THE NFL
Surprised the NBA world has been so quiet this morning. Calm before the storm maybe.
If the warriors are dumb and let livingston and iggy go due to tax concerns I think it will show the value in having an owner like Gilbert who is willing to sign the checks.
Yep. That’s why the Cavs can win next year with a very similar roster. Dwill is playable again.
Yep. I think they can win with a similar roster regardless.
I’d offer Livingston the full Midlevel. Can play three positions.
Couldn’t believe we ever let him go.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybdsbb6f
Too good to be true.
:)
I know..,. I am the dreamer of dreams
Likely hanging out on CtB today, should be some news flying hot today. Pacers seem pretty determined to trade George by tonight.
I’m excited about Billups. He seems really well respected and liked around the league.
To be fair. You are generally excited about most Cavs moves initially. I am wary. He has zero front office experience. That is a job where it seems experience helps just knowing the cap and how to manuever around it.
True. But they kept most of Griffin’s staff including the two cap wizard guys. I think he has to hire some experienced people to help him out but we’ve never had someone of his stature in our front office before.
Of course if he does something dumb right away I renounce being excited about this.
I think you might be over-estimating Mr. Big Shot’s stature. Is he respected? Sure. But I think most front office guys will look at him like fresh meat….
He might not even take the job. Gilbert is such an idiot.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yco7w4c4
Cavs get Orlando 6th pick. Malik Monk??
No on eats to give Aaron Gordon a max contract next summer.
It’s a shame that Lebron, probably the highest basketball IQ of all-time, is surrounded by so many morons. In the roster, in the coaching staff, in the organization. Griffin and Lebron were literally the entire intellectual capital of the organization and half that capital is now gone.
As much as I have trashed Dan Gilbert, and deservedly so, he’s part of a group of very fortunate individuals who own an NBA team, that have accumulated so much wealth and power, that they’ve lost some essence of reality. I’ve never been a fan of Dan Gilbert, but I’ve never been a fan of any team owner. As I have previously stated, I think the best owners are the owners that remain invisible while their teams succeed.
I think him writing the checks to keep the team together and get to three straight finals is pretty great. The s Griffin move seems dumb. But I’m not seeing a string of dumb moves or anything.
Mike Brown. Byron Scott. Mike Brown 2.0. Chris Grant. Blatt perhaps, though that one was generally praised and made before LBJ had decided to come back.
So Cavs are trying to go from David Griffin to Chauncey Billups?? LOL
Would not blame Lebron at all if he leaves.
I think it’s more about stability. Gilbert has proved he’s unpredictable, unhinged, triggered with a dash of Steinbrenner. That being said, there’s a lot that could happen in the next 365 days. If the Cavs win the championship in 2018, then this is less of an issue and Dan Gilberts big gamble may have paid off, for now.
https://twitter.com/CavsGregBR/status/877696417770348544
If after replacing Griffin with Billups, Cavs added Melo- I would literally give up on the Cavs for the next decade.
And porzingis?!
If the Cavs add Melo without giving anything, why not?
Not a fan. I’d consider a Love for Melo plus Portzingas, but not both Love and TT. I like Portzingus, but right now Love is the best player of the 3.
I’d do it in a heartbeat and twice in Sunday. Zinger is a 7-3 Dirk with better defensive skills. Teams should be breaking the bank to get him right now.
Does the Zinger help you against the Warriors?
Zinger isn’t going anywhere…even Phil isn’t that dumb..and he is DUMB.
I normally wouldn’t believe this either but this isn’t a rumor this is an actual interview with Phil Jackson.
Have to agree. Dunno how much he helps against gs right now. He also is a poor rebounder for a 7 footer. I still think our perimeter d is the thing that must get better. We need a big athletic wing that can shoot 3s and is a lock down perimeter defender that is as tall as James so James can shift off Durant and the defense won’t be hurt. Dunno if Anthony helps either. If he would be willing to come off the bench…but he is so so bad defensively.
Agree with Nate. If there’s a world in which we get Zingus and more for Love, I think you pull the trigger.
Chuancy Probably gotta sleep on it. I always do with a big life decision.
Or Dan Gilbert couldn’t close the deal. My “guess” is that Billups declines. If he wanted the position, he would’ve agreed already. But I’m not one to doubt Ice Cube either.
It’s already done, IMO. Will announce in the morning.
Well for Dan Gilberts sake, I hope so.
Could be. But will the Cavs hirecif not? I’m sure Amico will tell us it’s awesome, whoever.
Not even sure what I was trying to say. Gotta love autocorrect, anyway….
I know Cube… and Cube doesn’t lie…
That’s awesome! I love Ice Cube. Can he buy the Cavs?
Did you see him on Real Time with Bill Maher? Cold as ICE…
https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/877735880013864960
Not good for the Warriors at all. Livingston and/or Iggy are gone.
They may lose one, highly doubt both…
Cavs have offered Billups, but has not accepted yet, per Windhorst. Probably wants to know Lebron’s intentions. Good luck with that.
Would be glorious if Billups turns it down.
Except then it would probably be Rasheed next in line.
That would be awesome in a tragic sort of way. He’s gotta show up to work in a bathrobe and scream “Ball Don’t Lie”!
It would be Metta World Peace then…unless Dan is set on a Piston ( which would not surprise me…Pistons all have Pixie dust on them)
Saw that too… FIVE YEARS?! WTF….
Think we could get Zingis for Shump and flotsam right now? Make it happen,
Great post Ben! On a completely unrelated note… I had a Mozgov sighting today in Beverly Hills! Man, that dude really is tall… Wished him luck on the move to Brooklyn… he laughed in a good natured way…
Whoa! So much to talk about, so little time. You probably didn’t have a chance to get into the CtB deconstructions of his Brew Garden ads.
HAHAHA… Damn Phil I didn’t see your post before I posted… on the same wavelength!
Why didn’t you just yell out “BEER GARDEN!”??? LOL!!!
You should have roared at him from your polar bear steed.
A Moz sighting in Bev Hills!. My image is a fish out of water. Moz is sure more Cleveland than BH.
I really don’t like the idea of hiring Billups. The guy has zero front office experience. That is worrisome to me. This would be yet another bad hire by Gilbert, especially if Billups is the only guy Gilbert has spoken too. You would think Gilbert would learn from Mike Brown 2.0 experience. You have to at least interview more than one potential candidate. I mean how do you expect to run a successful business like that?
So if JR’s account was hacked, does that mean the “sources” saying Kyrie and LeBron don’t want Jimmy Butler to play with them are confirmed?
Cavs players reportedly told butler to stay away because of volatile situation. Does this mean we will not compete for the title this year? Does this mean gilbert is already satisfied with one title and GSW is better than us during this rivalry?
https://twitter.com/AmicoHoops
Per Cols (below)
Really dislike Amico. He’s Cavs’ management’s mouthpiece, so he does get some inside poop, but he’s also basically a propagandist for them. He spins everything pro Cavs. I don’t believe any of the rumor/ spin type stuff he reports.
Might be true about Amico, but the idea that cavs players like LBJ, Kyrie, and Love who are locked up for a minimum of another year telling Butler to stay away is preposterous. Why? It isn’t up to Butler. If LBJ thought Butler would help THIS year against GS, no way would he tell Butler that. The source of the cavs telling Butler to stay away rumors are just as, if not more, questionable considering it was the Chi Sun Times, the mouthpiece for the bulls.
I doubt any Cavs player texted Butler ‘stay away bruh!!’ Or some such nonsense, but wouldn’t be surprised if his agent or whoever got ‘this isn’t a great situation right now’ from some guys when/ if they sent out feelers.
Again, I don’t care what Amico has to say about this kind of stuff. He’s always going to give a pro Cavs/ pro Gilbert spin. He might as well be on the payroll.
Dude chill out. This story makes zero sense
Could be. Again, it doesn’t matter. He doesn’t have a no trade clause. If Chicago wants to deal him, they will deal him. He is locked up for a minimum of another 2 seasons. Player option 3 years from now. No matter what he says, the cavs might be willing to risk him leaving for two seasons. I am not even of the opinion that Butler for love would be a good trade. Too shaky as an outside shooter. Not tall enough to play 4s occasionally. PG on the other hand has developed a good 3 point shot. Arguably as… Read more »
Amico was first on the LeBron back to Cleveland story.
Check out @AmicoHoops’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/AmicoHoops/status/877651250484887552?s=09
1. That Sun Times article has already been shot down. 2. Very obviously, we will compete. We still have LBJ for a minimum of another year. Can we beat GS as is? Maybe not, but our title means more in my opinion. Obviously talks about the cavs dealing for PG and Butler deals are not dead until either get traded to another team. That still doesn’t make us more talented than GS. PG might make us better defensively. There is no magic bullet for countering Durant going to a team that won 73 games and who he was beating the… Read more »
Totally agree with this post. To me the league got screwed by Durant’s decision to join the Warriors and as John posted the Warriors, if healthy should win the next 4-5 chips easily. How will that affect the league’s TV ratings? we’ll see but at least watching a team beat up their opponents by double digits year after year in the playoffs should be boring as eff.
Just my honest opinion.
There once was a troll named warriorsfan
Who came here to troll because he can
His opinions all suck
we don’t give a
This isn’t a fraudsite it’s about Cleveland
I wrote below that I wish warriors fan would take another self imposed hiatus. The trolling line has been clearly crossed in his not too subtle way.
Okay Mike P, I will leave cols to all by you guys. You are one of the reasonable guy here, so I am out.
Occasionally I wish Cols would self impose a ban or at least a partial silencer :)
If Ice Cube becomes a Cavs fan because of Billups, this was a great move.
https://twitter.com/Mark25Price/status/877622572942188545
Plus Hot Rod, drafted a year earlier, was acquitted of point shaving the night before the 1986 draft. So in effect they got Daugherty, Harper, Price and Williams in a 24-hour period.
woot!!!!
I read that Pat Riley is the highest paid GM at around 15 million? Griff was making 2 million, Gilbert offered him 7-8, but Griff wanted 10 million plus?
http://cavaliers.247sports.com/Bolt/Ice-Cube-says-Chauncey-Billups-has-agreed-to-join-the-Cavaliers-53272320
https://twitter.com/AmicoHoops/status/877615809069064195
Honestly, Griffin is like the only intelligent management this franchise has had in decades. Gilbert is oblivious to his own basketball ignorance.
https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/876950966855245825
Lowe Plagiarized that tweet
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Ryen Russilo on ESPNRadio- Rolled back his criticism of Gilbert after finding out info on the number for which Griff was asking. Said he doesn’t necessarily agree with Dan, but understands why he didn’t extend Griff. He usually has a pretty level-headed take on stuff like this.
Probably wanted Phil Jackson money
He probably wanted money/ power in line with the success he has had.
There are many assumptions and unfounded rumors being made when no one even knows what’s going on. Until a move is made, everything is pure speculation. I don’t like Griffin is out, but some of this stuff is being way overblown.
yep
If I was Dan, I would offer David $1M or so to stick around for a few weeks and oversee the transition.
Dan really screwed up, I don’t think he has seen the chaos being created and has done irrevocable damage.
Chaos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Complete chaos!!!! The roster has undergone drastic and chaotic changes! What on earth are you talking about? Once again, do I have to remind you that this is not a strength in arrogance blog?
You realize you’re being a little troll-y today, right?
What part you don’t agree. besides, many Cavs fans at CtB saying the same and I am neither only one here nor the first one to say these things. Just my view.
Troll
Nope, you are a troll on your own fan site, repeating stuff again and again incapable of ingesting new information. Say again how everything is awesome with Cavs.
More often than not, you disappear when the cavs are crushing opponents and tend to post more frequently when the cavs have controversy, are going through a rough patch, or have lost to gs. It is a trend I have noted going back to last year. What does that say? It is fairly obvious, but I will take a page from your book and leave it open ended to be interpreted as it will.
‘when the cavs have controversy’
According to cols, there is no ‘controversy’, so not sure what you are talking about.
I do sit out conversation some times when Cavs fans are all happy to not spoil the mood here when I feel like I shouldn’t be party crashing. I try to add something to the site by participating.
When the cavs are winning, whatever. When the cavs are losing or when something like this happens, some of us don’t appreciate you showing up and doing things like posting a link to a garbage article that has already been posted on other threads that has been shot down.
I think it is more often than just today,
Have to agree with Cols a little on this one (and it pains me to say it). If the Cavs do nothing, they’re in the finals again barring injury. This chaos and irrevocable damage narrative is total click bait meant to prey on our fears and others’ hate. David Aldridge said it earlier this week on why it sucks to cover the NBA on the week of the draft, “everyone is lying. No one tells you the truth.”
I hope you are right. Upper management chaos could fry the Cavs this year. Also, who knows that EC team will pull off successful blockbusters?
Let a guy who is out the door to another team run our trades? Not a chance.
Ben, that was a pleasure to read.
Yep.
A sure indication of a team going to Heck is chaos at the top. Check out the Browns from returning until (hopefully) a year and a half ago.
Unless things magically solidify and the Cavs do at least as well as last year, I will be surprised if LeBron stays next summer. He is not going to end his career in a fiasco.
Don’t we have Irving, and Love and JR and TT all signed still though? That pretty much means it won’t be a fiasco.
Yes we do. But they have pretty much proven they can’t even win a regular season game without Lebron.
But having those two guys around means all this chaos stuff is crazy talk.
JMay, I wasn’t calling you a troll, BTW. I replied to the wrong post because I suck. Question though, do Cavs fans go on Warriors boards and hit them with unsubstantiated rumors of why their teams sucks?
I figured. No worries.
https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/877577049791119360
Swap these 3 for entire bench…
Honestly, would. But Houston doesn’t want our contracts.
Give them Cedi!!!
The stupid thing is people are acting like we wouldn’t get these LeBron to LA rumors had we kept Griffin. We for sure would still have these rumors. It would just be more like “Griffin only got Korver and Deron, why would LeBron stay”? type of stuff.
you wouldn’t get these rumors. “Cavs players now telling Jimmy Butler to stay away from sudden chaos”
http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/sources-out-of-cleveland-say-jimmy-butler-will-push-for-trade-to-cavs/
i doubt this rumor is true. LeBron would not tell a player to stay away.
Not Lebron but could be some players who are FAs. But, the recent development should give pause to players to come to Cavs for minimum etc.. say some one like Tony Allen or Zach Randolph.
Why? Players come to play for the King, not because of their GM. They come here because everyone love playing for Lebron, they know they will make the Finals, and because Gilbert signs big checks.
No one is coming here because of David Griffin. Quit trolling.
King has to be happy to recruit other players and players will not come to play with King if he is not happy. He is not happy by all accounts.
Dude just went the Finals for the 7th straight time and averaged a very efficient 34 point triple double. He is not unhappy. Just wants a few reinforcements.
Whoa whoa whoa… By ALL accounts? The only one that matters is LeBron’s account, and the only thing we heard was that he respected what Griffin did. You’re projecting what the media has decided is LeBron being “not happy.”
There have also been reports that Bron is certainly willing to give Billups a chance.
Anyone who loves Cavs or associated with Cavs shouldn’t be happy last two days.
That rumor isn’t true. Troll.
https://twitter.com/AmicoHoops/status/877557941871808513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fearthesword.com%2F2017%2F6%2F20%2F15840338%2Fjimmy-butler-push-trade-cavaliers
Amico is a reliable source when he’s telling you what you want to hear, apparently…
From everything you know about the Cavs and how much they love playing together and how great their chemistry was last year you really think they’d be sabotaging the organization? Give me a break MikeO. You are acting like you have been rooting for a cellar dwelling team not one with the championship culture instilled by LeBron James. This is the golden era of Cavs basketball. I suggest you start acting like the glass is half full instead of completely empty which is all we’ve been getting from you over the last 6 months.
You are really annoying. Good job. Your mission is accomplished. Get what I am calling you? Bask in your trollery. You aren’t half bad at it in a passive way.
Enough trolling for about 3 weeks. How about another self imposed exile?
“Personally, I think a team with LeBron, George, and Butler would be better equipped to win a championship next season.” If defense wins championships and the core of Lebron, George and Butler would be better in playoffs. That said, the chemistry takes time to build, if you are building a team for a one and done, it would be easier to incorporate one star than two. Love for Paul George even if Paul George won’t commit beyond this season would improve Cavs. Of course, if you don’t make subsequent trades to shore up bench with some defenders and shooters, then… Read more »
Whatever
Doesn’t look like either one is going to happen at this point. We’ll have to see.
Atlanta is trying to let go of Milsap, see if Cavs can add Milsap without losing 3 all stars but for Tristan. This would yield better results than other two players who both need ball in hand to be effective.
No it wouldn’t. If we got George for Love it would allow George to “cover” Durant while LeBron goes back to his free roaming while pretending to actually care what the nut punching Bray is doing. And gives us another spot up shooter and ball handler. That would help tremendously against the smuggest most arrogant team of all time.
No, we don’t need to add Milsap at all IMO. He doesn’t help us against your beloveds.
They already have the shooters on the bench. Need some defense… oh and Paul George is a better defender than Love… so they get better there too.
I don’t think what Billups says on teevee should be taken as what he would actually do. Throwing out dumb opinions on teevee is how it works. Please, Jason, stop with this stuff.
But in what reality does replacing someone with an excellent track record and reputation with someone who spouts dumb opinions on tv seem like a smart move for an organization at a pivotal moment.
Yeah, I think they should’ve kept Griffin. I’m saying these people who are getting worked up because Billups said something dumb on teevee need to calm down. Billups has a lot of fans among front offices and players, I wouldn’t dismiss him quite yet.
VERY GOOD POST / ALOT OF GREAT INFO TO THINK / PONDER OVER —–POSTED EARLIER ( YESTERDAYS BLOG —-NOT TRYING TO PREACH GLOOM AND DOOM ABOUT LEBRON POTENTIALLY LEAVING– JUST BASING MY THOUGHTS THAT LEBRON IS STILL HARBORING SOME ILL FEELINGS TOWARDS GILBERT AND THE LEAST BIT OF A ” BUMP IN THE ROAD ” COULD INFLUENCE LEBRON’S DECISION TO BOLT —-YES BELIEVE WE NEED TO GIVE CHAUNCEY A CHANCE ( IF HE IS HIRED -) SUPPORT HIM AND SEE WHAT THE OUTCOME IS ….. HE MAY PROVE TO BE A DIAMOND IN THE ROUGH AND OTHER OWNERS MIGHT BE… Read more »
I can’t tell if this Lebron leaving stuff is legitimate or the media just chasing it’s own tail. Mostly because the last 17 times we’ve seen it, it was the latter. Kyrie was all but done with Cleveland in 2014 … up until he signed a 5 year deal to stay. Kevin Love was all but signed with the Lakers in 2015, because he went to college there and didn’t like playing with Lebron and not fitting in with the Cavs … up until he signed a 5 year deal to stay. And Lebron was all but gone from the… Read more »
Agreed. No more LeBron to LA talk. We are in a great position right now, let’s worry about this year.
It’s a giant echo chamber to be sure. And twitter makes it 10x worse.
Except, not accept FFS. Grammar mistakes aside, I must admit I didn’t care much for this piece. Strange Bron conspiracy stuff. Fans shouldn’t be upset if Griff fired Blatt? That makes this move worse, not better. Billips would have traded Love for Melo, said so on TV. Anyone think that would be a good move? Yikes.
Don’t much care for being petty over grammar either. Very well constructed piece, Ben.
Billups, not Billips. Spelling mistakes aside, I didn’t care much for your comment. Billups said this on TV, without any front office advice/discussion.
Good post, BTW
Griffin made the correct decision to fire Blatt and hire Lue. This isn’t even debatable. As far as Griffin leaving, we shall see. I liked Griffin and thought he did a great job, but there’s always blind spots and maybe we end up with someone who can do a better job. Either way, this has been the most fun period of Cavs basketball ever and making 3 straight Finals so far is absolutely amazing.