2017 Draft Day Live Thread
2017-06-22During the dark ages between The Decision and The Letter, the NBA Draft was an annual basketballiday for Cavs fans. The brutal regular season that had commenced a few months prior and hope for a better future met at a crossroad on a warm June night. Hell, I used to plan Mancations around the event itself. The last of which was a trip in 2014 to Phoenix to catch the Tribe series against the Diamondbacks, drink a bottle of Patron in a pool, and watch the Cavs draft Andrew Wiggins at #1.
The Cavs enter the draft for a second straight year without a selection, but Dan Gilbert surprised us and opened up his generous wallet to the tune of $2.4 million to obtain the 54th selection from the Atlanta Hawks to select Oakland guard Kay Felder. Felder barely cracked the rotation with the Cavs, playing just 386 minutes with the big league club. His talent was showcased in Canton for the Charge though, as he averaged 29.9 points, and 6 dimes per game in 11 contests.
While the Cavs don’t have a selection tonight, enjoy the show. Reflect on the picture above at how young Kyrie and Tristan were and how far they’ve come together. Kyrie could barely grow facial hair back then, and today he’s rocking a beard that would make a lumberjack jealous. They’ve been the constant with us for a six year journey that no other city or fanbase can compare. If a newspaper from the future from a crumby CBS television show told us on June 23rd, 2011 that almost five years to the day from that draft that Kyrie and Tristan would be NBA champions in Cleveland, and a parade would follow with 1.3 million of their friends, we would have been elated. Don’t let anyone take that from you, especially clickbait articles by idiots, for idiots about the Cavs imminent self-destruction. Twenty-eight teams in the league, hope that tonight can somehow put themselves in the position the Cavs are currently in.
As far the teams with draft picks are concerned, tonight is a deep draft class with plenty of intrigue. If you’re looking for some last minute draft prep before the show, draftexpress.com is still the best, and most in-depth in the business. The Celtics already traded away the first pick (if only the Cavs would have done the same in 2013) to go a few spots down the draft board and add to their war chest of future assets. There are also plenty of trade rumors surrounding All-Stars such as Paul George, Jimmy Butler, LaMarcus Aldridge and our own Kevin Love. I’d take just about every rumor with a grain of salt, because salt is awesome and it’s used to give flavor to food that is trash without it.
It’s easy to have a revisionist history looking back on past drafts, but none of the players selected tonight are close to finished prospects. We don’t know who will be able to handle the grind of an 82 game season. We don’t know who will stay healthy. We don’t know which high selection won’t live up to the hype. We don’t know which second rounder will become an All-Star. We don’t know how these kids will handle the NBA money and lifestyle. To all of the players selected tonight congratulations. The ball is in your court. Do something with it.
Melo on a buyout would be great. The other thing we need to do is prioritize Durant over Curry on D. And play straight up more. Live with contested 3s. All those layups & dunks have to go.
Wade and Melo on buyouts would be perfect.
If we get PG, I don’t think we need Melo but I would still go for Wade.
PLEASE NO MELO!
I agree, unless they get Melo without giving up KLove which is almost impossible.
Even so, he would destroy chemistry here. I don’t really want a “Superteam” to be honest. Banana boat sh*t or whatever. I want us to be a stacked but well balanced team instead of a star studded one.
I don’t think a mega-deal(s) are a necessity. Replacing Shump, TT with a better consistent version of those 2, a reliable back up point (damn Delly..) and a solid defensive big and we’re all set.
Delly was as unplayable in the championship finals as Deron was this finals.
Saying Delly was unplayable is a complete lie. His minutes lessened sure. But we know it’s vital to have a reliable reliever in the regular season that had absolutely helped Kyrie be healthy for the championship run and eventually made our team really awesome :p
He only played in garbage time in the 2016 Finals after a disaster of a game. Mo Williams got more run as the series went on
You’re not getting my point on having a reliable back up. Moving on..
Deron was a better backup PG and got more run in the playoffs. It was only the Finals he sucked in. Very similar to a Delly.
Mo Williams, to use your vernacular, completely sucked in the approximately three minutes he played in the Finals that year.
Funny how he wound up at the post game podium with LeBron when he was unplayable.
We are getting Melo on a buyout later on this season. It’s perfect.
How will the Cavs afford him? Unless they trade TT to try to get rid of his overpaid arse and you will still have to find someone crazy enough to trade for him.
Buyout. Vet min
Do you really believe Melo will join for the veteran minimum? I will be amazed if he does.
After a midseason buyout to make a run at a ring? Absolutely.
Melo got paid plenty by the Knicks and if they truly buy him out, he’ll be in a perfect position to go ring chasing.
I hope they really hire a “Real GM” with deep and winning experience aside from Chauncey.
The more I hear about Billups the more I hope we hire him. And yeah he knows we need to get som experience under him.
You do have a talent of convincing yourself that every move the cavs make is a good one. I just hope Gilbert does some actual due diligence and interviews more than one guy. Of course it doesn’t appear he has which seems to fit with Gilbert’s typical reckless and incompetent management style. The last time he impulsively pulled this nonsense and hired someone without interviewing anyone else was Mike Brown 2.0. One of the worst hires in the history of the NBA.
I can’t argue your last point
The Cavs are trying to get PG13 and Faried on a three team trade. I guess it would mean giving up TT and Love.
Kenneth Faried hasn’t seemed that good last couple years…
That could be because I never see them play… Idk, correct me if I’m wrong please.
Same. But I believe he’s a better defender than TT. Almost the same as a rebounder.
He averaged 10 pts 8 rebs in 21 minutes per game fir Denver last season. 69% ft shooter.
Not bad if you ask me.
He also have a shorter and smaller contract too compared to TT. I think I’m fine having him as a TT replacement however, any deals involving Kevin Love, I don’t like.
Omg no. Kenneth is a pretty terrible defender and not remotely as good as TT on that end if the court.
I haven’t heard that TT would be part of that deal. Faried a big of the bench or buyout
To be honest I’m not sure as far as I know he was coming off the bench for Denver.
Holy crap… if they had the opportunity to get Faried AND George??? You gotta do that.
Apparently he is way overpaid, and the Cavs taking him off Denver’s hands is part of the deal.
Also…
https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/879116750775824384
https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/879128251440013312
Word is Cavs still pursuing 3 team trade for George sending Love to Denver…
https://mobile.twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/879119326812356608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcavsnation.com%2Freport-cavs-pacers-nuggets-talking-blockbuster-3-team-deal%2F
No Chauncey at the Big3 today. Not sure what the holdup on the announcement is, unless he just doesn’t want to manage Cavs OR play Big3.
Yeah, I hope it is the former. I can’t believe Gilbert interviewed only one candidate AGAIN for one of the major positions in the organization. Mike Brown 2.0. Gilbert is proving to be as much of a fool as I feared. Seriously. One guy. He interviews one guy? Look how that turned out last time. Like cols, I root for laundry. That doesn’t mean you have to like Gilbert and it won’t prevent me from pointing out yet another objectively incompetent and dumb move Gilbert made from a management point of view. I don’t think Billups is a good hire… Read more »
https://twitter.com/juliephayer/status/878719398000730112
https://twitter.com/guga31bb/status/878650130458652672
Little-known fact: Basketball in China is played on 11-foot rims. Somebody tell Klay!
Best part of the clip is the announcer laughing at him.
Oh man did I chuckle. Apparently Chauncy did too, he liked this video on someone else’s tweet. Maybe anti-GSW attitude a sign?
Also was reminded of this article a few years ago, still makes me smile. Reminds me of my own trip to Singapore a few years ago in which I felt like a giant on the court (I am 6’2″).
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mitch-moxley/culture-shock-on-the-hard_b_1138550.html
LIGGINS NOT OFFERED A CONTRACT BY THE MAVS —–HERE’S OUR CHANCE AGAIN—JUST HAVE JFJ RETIRE AND LIGGINS CAN TAKE HIS SPOT ON THE BENCH / AT LEAST YOU WOULD HAVE YOUTH / ATHLETICISM TO LOOK AT ………JUST IN CASE …….DOUBT IF HE WOULD SIGN WITH CAVS AGAIN
Because Liggins sucks.
Too bad you weren’t watching the game on Christmas day.
I thought all these calls for Liggens was a legitimate joke. Cmon people. He’s terrible.
You realize he’s already 29. He’s not a young prospect.
Just cut D Jones. We need guys who play with an edge. We don’t have any.
Still no GM for the Cavs lol
I love how the common wisdom around here is that the Cavs would’ve won if they had played a 29 year old d leaguer or a guy who has been cut from multiple teams because he generally sucks at basketball despite getting tons of chances to turn it around
Who exactly has claimed this?
Me for one. He would have done a lot better than Shump.
No. I’m saying that cutting an athletic, relatively young (for this team), long, defensive minded player who can handle the ball some for a 36 year old who cant guard anyone was a dumb move. James’ clique. We were 14-5 when Liggins started. With JR not available & Korver & D-Wills not available for most of it.
No mention of how many teams have seen This guy play and decided nope. The mavericks are the latest team. Liggins sucks. He’s been given lots of opportunities and has managed to impress no one but some commenters at a blog.
I MIGHT be in favor of firing Lue. At any rate, he has to explain his reasons for: 1. Ignoring Liggins when he is obviously better than Shump. The Cavs were 1/1 against the Dubs with Liggins starting, 1/4 with Liggins cut from the team. 2. Ignoring Derrick Williams after he showed he was an overall plus. The team is totally short handed and the guy shows he can contribute, and then gets shut down so Derion Williams can play. Well, turns out he couldn’t. Why wasn’t there a plan B with Derrick? I like a lot about Lue, but… Read more »
There were many occasions during the finals where I was screaming at the TV for Lue to call a needed time out, pull Deron/Schump/TT out, give LeBron a rest at a different time, ride the hot hands – specially JR in game 5 – and overall show some type of emotion at the way the Cavs were playing…
My conclusion, he’s not a good coach.
+1
A coach who gets to the Finals should have his team ready to compete before game 3. Lue has failed at that two years in a row.
TAVARES ALSO ON SUMMER TEAM —HOPING HE ( SHOULD ) DOMINATES !!
I truly hope so ;)
WATCHED SOME HIGHLIGHTS OG ANDREW WHITE III—HE HAS LEGITIMATE NBA 3 PT RANGE WITH SOME DECENT ATHLETICISM / COULD HE BE A ” YOUNG DANNY GREEN ” POSSIBLY —-HOPE HE LIGHTS UP THE SUMMER LEAGUE !!
Again, I know these are just rumors but I’ve also read that the Cavs have considered firing coach Lue. My opinion on this matter is that I would give coach Lue a chance for the first 2 months of next season and if I don’t see an improvement on the team’s approach at the defense end I would fire him ASAP.
People keep talking that the new additions to the roster affected the teams defense, but the Warriors change half of their squad and they still did great defensively. To me the Cavs need to practice more.
The Cavs lit up the warriors defense. The warriors did not win because of defense.
I have to disagree on that one, it was much more difficult for the Cavs to score on the Warriors than it was for the Warriors to score on the Cavs the whole series. The Warriors got too many totally wide open easy dunks and layups, it was a joke if you ask me. To me the Cavs have too many shooters and not many defensive players. Got to trade one or two of those shooters and try to get some young defensive minded players to join the roster IMO.
The reason the warriors get so many dunks and layups is because people are chasing their very good shooters out to the three point line and making sure they aren’t getting those shots. So back cuts become way easier. It’s not a scheme or anything it’s that you couldn’t leave anyone but Braymond open and Bray was busy clearing out the paint with his non-stop moving screens. There’s not much you can do except find someone to guard Durant that isn’t LeBron so LeBron can spend more time free lancing. And if you sacrifice offense for this you are going… Read more »
We got that guy. His name is Derrick Williams. Lue forgot about him. If he had played, then the Dubs would be getting tired trying to chase him on long passes.
I believe the Cavs should try to play this lineup next season :
Love – C
Derrick W. – Small F.
Lebron – Strong F.
Jr – SG
Kyrie – PG
I will put DWill on the opposing team best scoring forward and JR should guard the best scoring guard.
That wouldn’t be a bad lineup… Williams is a slightly better athlete and not a complete zero on offense.
The Cavs had a 115 offensive rating vs the Warriors. That’s awesome. The Warriors do not win because of their defense.
There was a good article by a former front office guy about the Finals…. the Cavs lost because of transition defense. GSW destroyed the Cavs because of it. In the halfcourt, GSW and CLE played essentially to a draw.
Transition defense is mostly about effort and coaching. The effort and the coaching both weren’t there.
Exactly and that’s my point, in the games played at Oracle Arena the Warriors had a lot of easy points in trasition and like you said that was due to the lack of effort and bad coaching.
Billups is taking forever to decide. If he is this conflicted due to family, I wish he would just say no. Gilbert must have thought Billups was an automatic yes, and a rejection from him should be beyond humbling. Gilbert is increasingly looking like amateur hour over his handling of Griffin.
The Lowe post had windy on today. He talks how Billups is super knowledgabe
the world has gone kookoo
Or, Billups is extremely respected in NBA circles and the knee-jerk reaction that he’s an idiot was completely wrong.
The knee jerk reaction is mostly the fact that they are considering giving full control over roster and player moves to a former player who has never worked in a front office. If some other team was considering this you’d rightly be calling them out as a terrible franchise.
I’ve read that the Cavs are trying to trade KLove for Aldridge and Danny Green and I’m not sure is that trade would really help the Cavs.
No. Just No…..Gilbert is a moron if he lets that happen or is pursuing it.
Barf. Aldridge doesn’t have Love’s range, or rebounding ability. Hinestly live is probably on par with him asa defender.
Green would help, but losing Love’s shooting/ spacing would be killer.
Shump has to be in it for the trade to work. Or Frye. Love > Aldrige & Green > Shump.
Anything to keep James & Irving from having to examine the way they play. Need a scapegoat.
I agree, I wouldn’t trade KLove for Aldridge. Shump for Green I’ll do with my eyes closed lol.
Staying & signed: James, Irving, Love, TT, JR, Frye, Tavares = 7.
FAs staying = Korver (Bird rights) =1.
New signing = Osman.
Signed/? if stay: RJ (retire), Shump (trade), Felder (make team).
FAs: D-Wills + D Jones.
I follow Kay Felder on the Snapchat and he seems like a great guy. Working out at Cleveland Clinic and singing autographs for the kids.
Andrew White?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EntknsE3Xeo
I’m intruged but white. He’s played multiple defenses not just the Syracuse zone. He’s 6’7” and has handled the ball. I’d rather them take flyers on guys like that than hold a roster spot for JFJ. Let JFJ say as a coach.
Worth the signing.
Sooo…Both Chicago, Atlanta, and Boston decided they can’t compete with the Cavs until Lebron retires. Toronto has hit their ceiling and are trying to decide to stay second best in the east or blow it up. The rest of the East is garbage. Interestingly, the teams out west continue to try to get better now, to fight the Warriors. Is it just me, or does the league simply not respect the Warriors the way the do the Cavs? They still fear Lebron like no other player.
Nah. Boston and Chicago are just run by rather stupid people right now. Actually, that’s being unfair to Ainge who is almost like Chris Grant was with us. Not that great at drafting but great at collecting assets. The big flaw is always wanting to win the deal instead of just making beneficial trades. The East is correct to fear LeBron.
Nah. It is just smarter to trade a star out of conference.
Dion Waiters, FTW.
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/dion-waiters-miami-heat-nba-is-lucky/
Glad that dude had a good season in Miami.
Me too. It took a few stops but maybe he’s finally found a home.
Serious question. Rondo?
Playoff Rondo was wonderful. Regular season Rondo was an utter nightmare. Can LeBron change that? I don’t know. Our regular season team was like regular season Rondo. Sounds like he’d fit right in…
Smart bball IQ Rondo is a great player. Hard headed Rondo is a nightmare. Which one would you get at this point is a toss up.
Exactly, he fits right in…
We have LeBron James. He would get Rondo in line.
+1
As much as I dislike Rondo, I root for laundry and he’s be an upgrade off the bench.
He’s a champion. His defense could be useful. On a vet minimum coming off the bench? I think you have to do it.
Well, looks like those initial Wade reports I bought were wrong. You guys wete right, he still plans on picking up that option.
If somehow Wade ends up with the Celtics maybe then the Celtics could challenge the Cavs.
Bwhahahahaha.
Not cool lol
And the freaking Bulls sell the Warriors their 2nd round pick and they take a player who has been compared to Bray. Good job, Bulls. Hope you choke on the 3.5 mill.
That was one of the picks the Cavs traded in the Deng deal. That was the draft pick that was finally conveyed from the Hickson trade with the Kings.
Hilarious that all the Bulls got out of it was 3.5 mill, after all these years.
https://twitter.com/WitMiBBall/status/878086534993506308
I still can’t believe how bad that Nets trade is.
These player interviews are death. They’re so gd boring. Bring back that funny French kid.
https://twitter.com/joevardon/status/878083712205717505
Untrue, actually. They’d just have to trade for the pick after the season starts and their buy-in money resets.
Like after July 1
So the trade isn’t consummate until after July 1, but they could get a team to select whomever they want?
Right
Damn. Jazz got hart. That’s who I wanted the Cavs to buy in to get.
He’s going to LAL… they traded picks.
Yeah. Saw that after I posted. Great get for Walton.
Magic too! lol
Jalen rose doesn’t make a damn bit of sense when he talks.
https://twitter.com/KirkSeriousFace/status/878078758665805824
I like the the Bradley pick.
Yup…. Bradley was a guy who probably was held back by his situation at UNC…. he had at least one upperclassman who wasn’t as talented, yet starting over him all season.
FWIW, Wade has not actually opted in. Verbal only. Word is the Butler trade may change his thinking. VERY interesting.
Hard for me to believe he’d turn down 24 mill…
Exactly… he’ll sign to get the guaranteed money.
He’s not walking away from the dough. Might sign it with a wink that they’ll buy him out at a certain number. Assuming that’s against the CBA.
yeah. that would be so dumb
Word is coming from his camp. Not saying he’d come here for 6 mil, but he may move. Spurs & Celts might also pique his interest.
The Cavs traded a number of #1 draft picks over the last few years. What did those picks help us acquire?
Larry O’Brien…..
Yep.
Korver. JR. Shump. Mozgov. Love. We aldo got one for Dion.
I didn’t think about Rondo. Yeah, Rondo, Melo, and Wade on buyouts. Almost banana boat
not much movement here..
Rumor is that it was Charles Oakley and friend…
https://twitter.com/SInow/status/878070862687031298
Agent LeBron…
https://twitter.com/KingJames/status/878068911073222657
Damn…. nice get for Klutch… was definitely liking what they were saying about him.
_zzzzzzzzzzz
Big night for Minny. Thibs gets Jimmy for Dunn, a guy coming off knee surgery, & a mild pick swap.
Just insane. Just an awful trade.
Maybe their most competent draft ever…
https://twitter.com/MarcJSpearsESPN/status/878066354078838784
Probably right…. Giles was nothing like he should’ve been in college. He started flashing late in the year his offensive prowess…. so much untapped potential.
Jackson is a good player, but I’m not sure he’ll translate to the NBA…he’d be on my bust potential list…
Pelton really didn’t like this trade for the Bulls…
https://twitter.com/kpelton/status/878059031440510977
Hate pelton, but I agree.
Getting Melo and Wade on buyouts in February is going to strengthen our bench quite a bit.
Id prefer Rondo over Melo.
Why not all three? If they’re bought out, they can sign vet minimums…
Bulls are dumb
Yeah… you said that already…
I think this might be one subject Cols can’t beat in to the ground enough. The Bulls are very dumb.
JFJ FOR GM NOT A BAD IDEA EVIL —SEND THAT TO GILBERT— PRONTO——WITH BUTLER GONE DOES WADE LOOK ELSEHWERE NOW ——MAYBE CAVS —-MIGHT AS WELL START THOSE RUMORS
Wade can’t look anywhere unless the Bulls buy him out…I think they’re too cheap for that…
I’d put even money on them buying him out and him signing up with Cavs for another title run…
If that happened, I shudder at the idea of Wade trying to defend the Warrior guards…
He’d stand a better chance than DWill…
He’d be fine on Klay.
Kings with the Harry Giles powerball.
Cavs should have their pick of buyout candidates if Wade, Melo and Rondo all get one… not to mention if Bosh mysteriously feels healthy again…
I’d take all three…. that would be an upgrade over Shump, RJ, and Deron.
Yes, please.
I don’t mind going this route. Im fine keeping Love. He’s OK on Green or the C. Let James chech Zaza/Green. TT off the bench. Let Cedi develop. Get a replacement for Shump. Backup PG of some sort. I’ll take my chances with that. Play KD as the #1 guy. Make Steph beat single coverage.
So good…
https://twitter.com/si_vault/status/877718058952867840
I hope RJ doesnt retire. I hope JFJ does.
JFJ for GM if Chauncey passes…
I like that better… lol
I second that emotion.
Yep.
I think he’d have a guaranteed spot when Lebron and company buys a team
We should be patient. We also need players who are smart to win vs GSW. Shump would be the first to go. Im still pissed we cut Wiggins.
You mean traded…
I think it was a Freudian slip for ‘Liggins’….
Trading Wiggins got us three straight Finals and a title. And Love is still the better player.
Harry Giles scratch off ticket zone.
Bulls gonna be spending about $40M in buyouts for Rondo and Wade…
Wade to CLE?????
Almost a guarantee if the Bulls are buying him out…
Psh. It’s just money!
According to the REAL Woj…
https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/878056521099300865
Adebayo a good pick for the Heat…