In Defense of Channing Frye
2017-08-05Since the news of Kyrie Irving’s request to Dan Gilbert has become public, a lot of ideas have been thrown around. Spend enough time of various basketball sites, and you will see literally hundreds of potential Kyrie Irving trades posted, often with the use of the ESPN Trade Machine. While this is no surprise, the other Cavaliers many fans and some media members want to include in these deals may be.
Many people have come to look at a Kyrie Irving trade as a way to fix several of the personnel issues this franchise has. You will hear that the Cavaliers can help themselves match up better against the Golden State Warriors, add young talent, and decrease their luxury tax payments in one fell swoop. While that may be true, all ways to decreasing their tax payments are not equal in terms of benefiting the franchise.
Two players who are often mentioned as possible salary dumps as part of any Irving deal are Iman Shumpert and Channing Frye. The logic is the both players have struggled against the Warriors—Frye defensively, and Shumpert offensively. The thinking is that both are easily replaceable, and that both players’ time with the Cavaliers has run it’s course. While that may be true with Shumpert, there’s little evidence that is the case with Frye.
While Frye may struggle against the Warriors, that simply puts him in the category known as Nearly Every Big Man in the NBA. He’s still an extremely effective, if somewhat unconventional, big man. No Frye isn’t a banger down low, and his thin frame and lack of quickness limit him defensively, but he has real strengths that have benefited the Cavaliers tremendously.
First and foremost, there is his shooting. Frye shot an excellent 40.9% from three last season, good for 17th in the NBA. He is particularly good both from the corners and the top of the key, critically important on a Cavaliers team that runs a lot of pick-and-roll, pick-and-pop, and drive-and-kick plays. Frye’s outside shooting helps increase the Cavaliers’ lineup flexibility as he has been effective in lineups with either one of fellow big men Tristan Thompson and Kevin Love, as well as serving as the sole big man in small ball bench lineups.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHTO8iRCfKw
A great example of Frye’s impact are the last two playoff series against the Toronto Raptors. While Raptors center Jonas Valanciunas was able to score effectively against Frye, he struggled on the defensive end, failing to either protect the basket or come out to the perimeter and guard Frye effectively. Since Frye was hitting threes versus Valanciunas hitting twos, the Cavaliers were able to win this matchup regularly. It’s not the conventional way big men have been effective in the NBA, but it is effective. This effectiveness shows up in advanced metrics as well. Frye is consistently rated well by ESPN’s Real Plus-Minus statistic, finishing in the top 20 for power forwards in each of the past two seasons, and ranked behind only the Big Three of LeBron James, Love, and Irving among Cavaliers last season. He is a net positive when he steps onto the court. In fact, when he has played against the Warriors, Frye has been as effective as any bench player outside of Jefferson, as shown by his performance last Christmas.
Frye’s greatest strength outside of his shooting is arguably his professionalism. Whether he’s starting, coming off the bench, or not playing that night, Frye prepares for each game without a complaint. He is regularly up and cheering for teammates regardless of his own performance, something that isn’t true for some of his teammates. Along with Richard Jefferson and James Jones, Frye has been one of the most important voices in terms of keeping the Cavaliers’ locker room mood both light and professional. Frye’s teammates seem to like and respect him, and it has been stated several times that his attitude and outgoing nature upon his arrival in 2016 helped the rest of the Cavaliers appreciate what they had, and was a factor in them coming together as a group on their way to winning the NBA Championship. Frye is also great with the media, and his work on the Road Trippin’ Podcast alongside Jefferson and Cavs sideline reporter Allie Clifton is one of the best podcasts around. Teams need players with Frye’s character.
While some suggest that Frye is overpaid, his contract his actually pretty good for his skill level and production. With one year and $7,420,912 remaining on his contract, Frye’s deal looks more than fair when compared to those given to similar stretch fours such as Ryan Anderson, Marvin Williams, Darrell Arthur, Kelly Olynyk, and Trevor Booker as well as role playing big men such as Timofey Mozgov, Amir Johnson, Kenneth Faried, and Ian Mahinmi . While it’s true that Frye’s contract likely has more value in a trade than Shumpert’s because it is an expiring deal, that’s another reason—on top of his solid play—why Frye shouldn’t be given away.
Finally, Frye’s greatest value for the Cavaliers may be the simple fact that he is a quality big man on a team with just three of those. Maybe Edy Tavares will be. Maybe the Cavs will acquire another big when they trade Irving, but neither of those things are definite, or even likely. Look through a list of free agents who are still available. If the Cavaliers had to replace Shumpert they could try for cheap deals with the likes of Tony Allen, Mike Dunleavy, Gerald Green, K.J. McDaniels, or Anthony Morrow. None of those are significant downgrades, and some could be considered improvements over Shumpert. If Frye was dealt without a replacement, there are no big men who can shoot like him available. The best you could do would be older players like Boris Diaw, or non-shooters like Lavoy Allen or Tyler Zeller. Even if they aren’t effective against the Warriors, teams need several quality big men to make it through the season. Not only is Frye an effective big man, his strengths perfectly fit the Cavaliers in ways no free agent would.
Despite the arguments above, none of this is to say that Channing Frye shouldn’t be traded. If a deal comes along that truly makes the Cavaliers a better team, then of course they should be willing to include Frye in a deal. That’s true for any of their players. But the idea that Channing Frye is dead salary that the team should just dump? That’s just absurd.
Sounds like Griffin will be on the Jump again 2day.
Oh yay. More poison from him. Like we should trust anyone with his agenda to tell it straight. Hey guy who just got fired, tell us more!!!!
Cols did you poison your own well with the meds?
Explain how he was fired. With facts.
Griffin “Gilby, give me the bag”
Gilbert “Eh, I can get Altman to run this team if Billups won’t sign on”
Griffin “Bye”
Gilbert “Bye”
Scene
I knew you had no facts about this ‘firing’.
https://twitter.com/RicBucher/status/894959825129357312
Trading a top NBA player sucks. It’s very difficult to get value back. I’m so mad at Irving for breaking up a championship team to go shoot more. Sucks.
Did you try punching a pillow?
Yep. Didn’t help. Medication sometimes helps.
Bucher doesn’t know anything that we don’t.
Well he made it sound like the Cavs may not trade Kyrie after all. I didn’t know that.
I have said it a few times.
Well than you’re an insider.
Might have to keep Shump just for the impressions…
https://twitter.com/ClevelandScene/status/894951673000603648
I told him to imitate Tony Allen next.
I can’t wait for that impression!
He’s probably better at the Will Ferrell impression…
https://twitter.com/World_Wide_Wob/status/894756646404014080
Shots fired!
https://twitter.com/KingJames/status/894754750956163077
Nate, that’s a terrible trade.
This is it. As much as I hate to see Kev go, the person whose NBA opinion I respect most says that the Zinger is ready to make a huge leap. This is the trade to con the Knicks into moving him before they realize it. Immediately stretch pay Noah, Move LeBron to the 1, Melo to the 4, Zinger at the 5 JR at the 2. Cavs sign Tony Allen start him at the 3, bring O’Quinn off the bench. And yes, I realize the Cavs have 3/5 of the Knicks starting team from last year.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9ylnzl2
I don’t know how you can predict a player making a huge leap? I’m not saying he won’t, but I guess I’d love to hear why and how.
Probably be in this week’s point forward.
Is Ben Werth scouting the Zinger in the Baltic States?
We shall see.
I’m not a Zinger-Truther yet.
Why in the world would we take Noah? I’d rather have Charles Oakley!
Simply to. Make salaries match. You immediately stretch pay him.
How about no Noah and No TT? They can’t expect to get KI, KL, and TT for Porzingus.
I’m really out on TT. O’Quinn>TT IMO.
Nate I think you’re getting trade happy. Not sure if I could deal with trading away 3/5 of the starting lineup. At that point its just rooting for the Cleveland LeBron’s. Say no to the 3/5 compromise
Haha. Maybe I am having a little fun. Also, my wife would kill me.
Love is her favorite athlete
My girlfriend still likes Andy. She got me an AV bobblehead on eBay.
She has got me six dolls in the last ten years.
Bobbleheads: AV and LeBron.
Action Figures: Zena and Gabrielle.
Large size, stuffed + sewn clothes: An African nun and Pee Wee Herman.
I still have two Andy Jersey.
Of course you do. Sucky players are your specialty.
like Shumpert and Mike Dunleavy. This is trolling, not other comments you call as trolling.
Oh hi warriorstroll!!
@Raoul — from good sources, I know that A LOT of girls in Cleveland liked Andy back in the day! He was a legend.
I like this trade better: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8476kjv
Now you’re just getting trade happy.
That trade makes me happy!
Nate — I like where your heads at! This trade is more realistic than a lot I see because it actually requires the Cavs to give up a lot.
Generally, I think a framework of Love + Irving for Melo + Zinger COULD potentially work. But NYK may still balk because Zinger so valuable.
Within this framework, I like the following a bit better because we can keep TT. The challenge is NYK may find it less appealing, which may make it a non-starter.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine
Hot Sauce, wrong link. We can’t see your trade!
Haha! I love your comment because it means you actually review my trades :)
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybw9gcuh
Basically, we give them KI and Love AND we take the Noah contract off their hands. But we don’t give up TT.
Every. Single. One.
I literally don’t understand this one. We get worse across the board.
@Gordon — I think we all need to accept we are going to get worse on paper. Our 2nd best player, who is the perfect compliment to LBJ, demanded a trade and won’t commit to a long-term contract on his new team. When that happens, you are in a bad situation which leads to getting worse on paper.
What we need to find is a trade that allows us to potentially create new LBJ-specific synergies that can offset the loss of quality on paper.
I just think there’s going to be a better deal out there. I like Portzingis, and would be happy to do a deal for him involving Kyrie, but I’m not interested in sending Love and taking back Noah.
Trading Kyrie is giving up A LOT already. Jeez, we have to trade Kyrie AND Love for it to be considered giving up a lot?
I just can’t get on board with this. I don’t want to be starting Tony Allen at age 35. No matter how “In-shape” the grindfather might still be in.
Then start green.
Bleh, I call that a lose-lose. I mean if Porzingis is all you want him to be I’m more okay with this move. I guess I’ll have to wait for Ben’s analysis.
Nate, seriously? That team is simply not better than last year’s team. If you make this trade, you may as well ask Gilbert to talk LeBron into letting us trade him too. Just blow it all up.
It is better. Zinger will be all nba
Hey may, or may not. If he’s mediocre, that lineup is awful.
Yeah I don’t think they ever make that trade. I think Dan wants the perception that he won the trade.
I was expecting to hate the jerseys but I don’t haaaate them. Not nearly as bad as browns.
on a second gander, they’re actually not that bad. it’s just the font choice is really poor.
I’d trade every guy on the team not named. LeBron for the Zinger+carmelo to make the salaries match.
You are insane. No one would trade Love for carmelo.
No the move is for porzingis. Melo is a throw-in to make the salaries match.
Give them Kyrie for Porzingis. That’s fair. Kyrie is already a superstar. Porzingis is not.
I assume that’s a “for the future” move? Say they want Love + Kyrie for Zinger + Melo. You’d do that? I think we get noticeably worse. But I guess we’d have Porzingis 4 years from now (maybe).
Have it on good authority that the Zinger is going to absolutely wreck the NBA this year, like starting first team all nba center.
That is what Johnny Manziel said. BTW, today he said he want to be a college coach. He was being interviewed at some sort of “Football Gambling Conference” somewhere offshore.
They ought to make him prez of Baylor. That would be a step up!
You think he is worth Kyrie and Love?
Get out the trade machine gang.
See Above
Mums the word everyone. WarrriorsFan: Don’t go tipping off the Knicks just to p!ss off Cols!
But this is still my dream scenario:
Trade 1: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycxf4gtj
Trade 2: Jackson for Boogie
Trade 1 is also a dream scenario for me. But I am not confident it will happen. I think Suns worry Kyrie will bolt after 2 years.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybdszw3m
Because Ron Harper said so…
so do the Cavs also get 4 unprotected draft picks or something?
Sure.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ya5hgqg5
And Dudley?
https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/894547992098820099
As I recall, John “Hotrod” Williams named all his kids “John”.
Ron Harper sez “youth and ignorance” about the flat earther:
https://www.ohio.com/akron/sports/cavs/ex-cavalier-ron-harper-blames-youth-ignorance-for-kyrie-irvings-trade-request
Griffin is probably NOT expressing what he thinks about anything. He is likely thinking about not burning any potential bridges.
Even so, it reads kind of weazely. He ought to just shut up and not say anything. Speaking of which, what ever happened to Chris Grant? Is he still/back in the NBA?
@David Griffen: Kyrie Irving led the Finals in FG attempts. A series that featured the 2 best players in the league. What more could a chucker want?
How about max money? Oh yeah, he go that. How about making the Finals with a good chance of winning? Oh yeah he got that.
I do not know. Griffin is full of it .
Yeah exactly. This situation is 1) crazy and 2) completely on Kyrie. LeBron is a passive aggressive drama king, but arguing this makes sense from a basketball perspective is absurd
Cavs should tell Kyrie to suck it up, and bring the team back. Knowing this dumb team, they’ll win the title
Totally agree.
Bring back Delly and Griffin!
These new unis are garbage. I hate them. The worst font choices maybe ever.
Agreed. not a cool look
If Griffin were here these unis never would have surpassed. /s
Griff sez:
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20276943/kyrie-irving-asking-trade-cleveland-cavaliers-shows-courage-former-cavs-gm-says
His opinion from the same article:
“Griffin said he thought Irving would end up getting traded, but would not speculate on where the Cavs All-Star point guard might go. He said both sides would be better if Irving were traded.
Ugh. Can’t you go on hiatus again?
can’t take the reality ?
Just don’t understand why warriorsfans would want to be on a cavs blog other than to do what you do troll us.
I don’t know why you care, Cols.
Cols is part Border Collie. Dreads the thought of getting caught snoozing when WF says something and not jumping on it.
Warriors off season is pretty much over. They just got everyone they wanted back and upgraded to who ever left. Kyrie is the most intriguing current topic for basketball fans and there are few very smart fans here I like to read what they write. You can say, I don’t visit the site for you.
Of course the guy who got himself fired would defend this nonsense.
“got himself fired” is a bizarre way of framing Griffin’s exit.
“Got himself fired” = Cols speak for “Priced himself out of his crappy owner’s comfort zone”
Griffin should take a look at my trade ideas below. ??
Another good link. http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2017/08/kyrie_irving_lebron_james_and_the_nba_s_banana_boat.html
Fun Ty Lue story and evidence as to why the Cavs need to grab Jared Dudley.
http://hoopshype.com/2017/08/07/the-story-of-the-summer-pick-up-team-nobody-could-beat/
It seems universally accepted that most Cavs fans want to get rid of Shump. I haven’t heard anyone that wants to keep him.
You have now. Shump was undoubtedly a disappointment last year, but he might bounce back. If he is included in a good trade, sure, go for it. But you will have to get lucky to pick up a FA who is likely to be better than Shump, so you don’t want to cut him. Last year, I thought Liggins outplayed Shump. Lue must not have. OR, probably he thought Shump had a higher ceiling, and unfortunately gave all the minutes to Shump to try to get him going, which never happened. Same thing happened with DWill1 and DWill2. DWill1 was… Read more »
Or he knew LIggins was somehow worse on offense than Shump was and also a domestic abuser and a locker room cancer who cannot stay on any NBA roster so we kept Shump
Didn’t stop us from signing DRose…
Yeah, I know. Sucks. The nice thing is that Rose>>>>>>>>>Liggins so I guess we overlook it. But I’m not happy about it. I just think it’s hilarious that the same people who love Liggins and his abusive record also hate Rose and his record.
I’d rather neither, but oh well. I can deal with a backup Rose if he plays well I guess.
Liggins got convicted, apologized, got treatment & acknowledged the issue & has been clean since. Rose denied he did anything wrong & got off. Different situations.
Also liggins never just decided to not show up and not call before missing a game.
Free Liggins!!!!
Don’t worry Arch, he’ll be a free agent soon as he’s cut for the millionth time.
Liggins in on the Clips now & we were 14-5 when he started. He rarely made any mistakes and was the best defender on the team. The Liggins out & D Jones in was incredibly stupid.
In this theory, about Liggins being locker room cancer: Then why keep the cancer in the lockerroom until the last day of the season, and not play him to get some more wins?
Not sure if this makes us better or not? http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8476kjv
I can’t tell if you are just having fun, or serious, but no way Knicks give up Zinger for Kyrie and no way Suns give up Jackson and others for Love.
No was serious with this one. You don’t think the Knicks give up Irving for Zinger?
If they would, I think that deal would be done yesterday. I would love it.
They ain’t doing it yet. But KI would be a star in NYC, and might sign long term there, so I think it is a real possibility.
Everyone: Don’t be trading Love for 60 cents on the dollar. He is not demanding a trade! We absolutely need to keep Love unless someone blows us away with a trade.
With that trade above you’d also need to cut Tavares, and either trade Shump or Frye in a separate deal.
And I’d rather not trade Love. But I fee like this may help us against the Dubs.
You could take a the Suns out of it with this
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybwy7cq6
“Two year rental” is not a thing. Seriously.
I know right. I’d consider it more of a lease.
Yeah, if you trade up for a player, you deserve to have him FO LIFE!! Apparently.
Beg to differ…
This seems reasonable – http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydddoohn
And our win total is plus 2, because we didn’t trade Felder.
Lol. No way either PHX or MIL team does it.
Phoenix will probably make this trade in addition to the one above: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc7fbw5d
I would definitely do this, one or the other of Bucks or Suns would shoot it down, though. I admire your creativity in arranging to keep the key piece, Felder!
Whenever you can keep a 5’8 pg you do it.
I AGREE WITH THE MRS NOMAD —100 % OF THE TIME
With someone with a good understanding of the salary cap be able to answer this: If the Cavs trade Kyrie for whatever set of pieces, would they be able to be in the running for any big name free agents next year? This is also assuming that we offload Shump and LeBron opts out of his contract so that we could use our cap space on that free agent and re-sign LeBron using his Bird rights.
No. Cavs are so far over the cap and re-signing LeBron would tap them. His cap hold will be very high.
Just run it back.
For once… I agree with Cols.
Agree with Raoul.
I agree with Raoul at least 75% of the time.
AGREE WITH EVIL —-THINK WE ARE GOING TO CAMP WITH KY ON THE ROSTER ( HAVE SAID MANY TIMES —THE ONLY WAY IT DOESN’T HAPPEN IS IF LEBRON DEMANDS THAT HE IS GONE WHICH I DON’T SEE HAPPENING )—THINGS HAVE QUIETED ALOT RECENTLY —CAMP IS STIL A LONGS WAY OFF ….BELIEVE KY HAS ” SEEN THE LIGHT “— IF HE TRULY WANTS TO BE TRADED— ACT / TALK / PLAY LIKE A PROFESSIONAL ( AND SUPERSTAR )– AND YOUR CHANCES WILL INCRFEASE
I guess I could had posted this on the Kyrie post, but who here thinks that keeping Kyrie is an option?
I honestly don’t think it’s possible right now. I think Kyrie’s actions and lack thereof, have made it pretty obvious he only cares about himself. Not the team and not the fans. I honestly don’t even want to root for him. I guess it’s possible that he can have a news conference and try to redeem himself, but I don’t think he would.
My issue with keeping Kyrie is that LBJ is a free agent next year. If we bring back Kyrie next year, we get one more year with the Super Team, but we just kick the can down the road and create MASSIVE uncertainy at the end of next season when LBJ is a free agent. We would likely be in a situation where we lost to the Ws again and where Kyrie is still looking to move. What would we sell LBJ on at that point? While I think it is unlikely LBJ would leave, if some team can pull… Read more »
You really need to curb your paranoia… Again, Kyrie being here or not being here has almost zero to do with whether or not LeBron decides to stay or go next summer… zero
I hope you are right! I just don’t agree. There are going to be a ton of stars on the market next year just like when he left last time. Some team is going to get creative and try to offer Bron some type of super team. Is it your view that LBJ’s main priority is to retire in Cleveland rather try to win chips? If not, I don’t see how you can say that Kyrie’s future has nothing to with Bron’s. If we play out this year with Kyrie, Bron is going to have to decide on where he… Read more »
There’s going to be a ton of stars on the market whether Kyrie is here or not… And yes, my view is that it’s more important for LBJ personally to not only retire in Cleveland, but to continue to try and win championships… He’s probably not winning a championship if he goes to a WC team next summer, unless that team is the Warriors. Seriously HS, whenever you start to panic, just ask yourself why he’d choose to make it hard on himself and try to get through the West to make the Finals, when he could basically make it… Read more »
I generally agree he is unlikely to leave. But it’s possible. I think he prefers the East, but if our roster gets to the point where we truly have no chance against GSW, and there is a team in the West that has a substantially better roster, I think he would consider bolting. Staying in Cleveland to face certain death in Finals may be less attractive than playing on a team with a chance to upend GSW, even if it’s not in Finals. Also, I think he knows Cleveland will always love him now that we got the chip. He… Read more »
Not only possible… probable… at least until the trade deadline in February…
What actions? A trade request, and a couple of subtweet level silly videos? That’s an average “throwing his teammates under the bus” January for LeBron.
Would SAS do this?
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydfkssnx
Or this? Basic idea is we get DGreen and Bledsoe, Spurs get Kyrie, and Suns get Aldridge. Could be the framework of something.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yan8vpeg
SAS would. I don’t think Phoenix would though.
What would make them do it? They are basically giving up Bledsoe for Aldridge. Is Aldridge’s value really that low? Maybe it is. Below is a version where they get Murray as well, so they at least have another PG to take some of Bledsoe’s minutes.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7ee6b47
I’m not sure I’d want that deal to just Bledsoe and Green. I’d want a younger piece like Jackson as well. The only team that really wins in this deal is SAS.
I think I am in the minority — but we are not going to do better than Bledsoe + Green. Kyrie’s value on a two-year rental is not very high. It’s not fair, but it is what it is.
Don’t get the Green love. He’s just not that good anymore. And Bledsoe is good, but has had a lot of knee trouble… Need to get some youth or future picks back. Period.
Yep completely agree. Bledsoe has had 3 knee surgeries.
I obviously agree that more would be better. I just don’t think we will get more.
Rather than more… I’d prefer Bledsoe and Jackson or Bledsoe and an unprotected pick instead of Bledsoe and Green FWIW…
Agree. But I view that as more – i.e. more value.
Cavs still don’t get any young players or picks in that deal…
I don’t see how we are going to get a PG, a good wing, and young player. Kyrie is just not that valuable as a two-year rental. I think everyone here is way too optimistic. Bledsoe + Green is a good haul, given Kyrie’s lameness.
Disagree. Guys get hurt during the season, circumstances change on contenders. There will be a better deal out there for Kyrie at the trade deadline or next summer… guaranteed.
Cavs and wRriosn are 1 and 2 for the oldest rosters in the NBA. Also the best rosters in the NBA.
Put the beer down!
Per Amico: Also, as several opposing execs have suggested, the Cavs may start to include new small forward Cedi Osman in Irving talks to offer teams (such as the Suns) a young player in return. Osman, 22, signed with the Cavs last month.
I’d do it, for the right deal.
I’d move Cedi in a microsecond if it got anything done. Seriously guys, he’s a second round pick who has never played an NBA second. He’s not going to be anything
Cavs will most likely start the season with Kyrie, because they are not taking the low ball offers out there. Either the draft stock for some of these rookies will increase or they will decrease and teams like Phoenix will then need to actually include a Devin Booker to make a deal for Kyrie.
We have a month and a half till training camp. He may be there, he may not.
I would think Booker is untouchable, no?
Yes, but that’s what it may take.
Yes. Arch is high on trade machine carbon monoxide fumes.
Well if Jackson sucks, what would they have to offer?
Just keep Kyrie. Things will be awkward at first, but maybe the tension can lead to taking out their anger on their opponents on the court. You don’t have to like each other to win.
The trade scenario for Kyrie is that not much talked- Kyrie for Rubio plus. Rubio does everything but shooting and Cavs have plenty of shooting. Rubio is also a premier defender. Rubio finally might reach his potential with Lebron. Cavs should get atleast one more rotation player and a future pick. Good trade for Utah too, top defensive team that can use Kyrie’s offensive skills, Gobert can erase Kyrie’s defensive issues. 2 years contract shouldn’t be issue to Utah since most stars don’t stay with Utah anyway, they should have been used to that. What I don’t know is if… Read more »
Yikes…. -10 wins for the Cavs.
Exum isn’t very good. Maybe he’ll break out, but is he does they’d have to pay him..
I don’t love it, but I would want something more like this: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc63h4wl
Yeah, not so much.
Actually the reports are that Utah would need to include Donovan Mitchell. http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ya7asbsy
Don’t know squat about Donovan Mitchell. I don’t hate that trade though.
-8 is silly though. Win totals are a joke as that trade improves Cavs.
You don’t trade Kay Felder without paying for it big time in wins…
Seriously! Felder brings W’s on the Trade Machine
Mitchell was one of, if not, the best summer league rookies. Crazy athleticism, can make plays off the dribble, can shoot from 3. Already got the defensive game down.
I’ll listen to CLF when it comes to summer league info.
Just looked up mitchell. Sounds like a young Avery Bradley. I’m in.
Don’t know much about him, but he made a name for himself at summer league.
No. This is a terrible idea. Let Cavs fans who actually know things about the Cavs discuss it.
Don’t exclude yourself from the discussion.
How about Kyrie for your fav player Dunleavy ? Is he with any team ?
Rubio can be traded. The Utah ship has sailed though. They’re rolling with Rubio. Also, they’re not giving up Hood, who’s their most athletic wing and poised for a big step-up with Hayward gone.
Utah just doesn’t have enough affordable young pieces.
hmmm. I was looking for a team that can use scoring only of Kyrie and Jazz came out as a team that can use Kyrie’s skills. Kyrie won’t actually help a team like Denver who are already top offensive team. Minny is planning to give 150 mils to Wiggins which pretty much take Minny as out of options.
Why?
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Sorry for the butt dial.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7nhtp4m
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yakahdoy
Great for Cavs. But doubt Pistons would give up all of those pieces for 2-year Kyrie rental.
Don’t see why the Heat do that, either…
Of course nate hate encArnacion.
No I don’t. First time I watched him all year. But he absolutely choked in two key at bat’s last night.
#KeepKyrie
A guy can dream, right?
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gsyu943
I wouldn’t do it! Not sending Kyrie for an easy ring.
Haha. It’s interesting…. I think this trade closes the gap just because KI’s talents are more redundant for GSW and Klay brings elite D to our team while not sacrificing any spacing for LBJ.
Encarnaceon sucks.
I hit 5 HR with him in MLB The Show this afternoon.
At least Salazar is playing well. 12 K’s!
McAllister sucks!
McAllister is so-so. He is kind of a classic “long man”, which is usually the weakest pitcher on the staff.
Tito does a lot of hard to figure out things, but his record in the long run is way good. But it seemed like a brain fart to put McAllister in at that point. Eighth inning in a tied home game with everyone rested, you put in your second best reliever. BTW, what ever happened to Otero? He was really good last year, and this year he never gets in a game.
Like guyer bunting in two spots with Lindor on, basically screwing up the whole at bat. If you have to bunt with your No. 2 hitter, he shouldn’t be in the 2 spot.
At least Lindor has started hitting again. The frustrating thing about this team is that nobody seems to get hot at the same time for prolonged periods.
This gets the Knicks to -15. Good thinking MikeO…
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yd8h8287
The best I can do is getting the Knicks -12 wins
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycub8ty4
Keep working! Didn’t someone have a trade with about a -17 for the Knicks the other day?
If we did a poll on what teams we hate the most, the Knicks would be the only contender that hasn’t had a winning season since FDR was prez. (or, maybe that was RMN or LBJ).
Washington Post on Kyrie: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2017/08/05/trading-kyrie-irving-is-far-easier-said-than-done-for-the-cavaliers/?utm_term=.490f69543ef9
This is the trade
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9qymabg
I’d do it, just haven’t really heard that the Nuggets are interested…just speculation from pundits…
I really like this, Nate. Everyone gets what they should realistically want without giving up too much. Part of me still wants to swap Shumpert for Dudley or Wilson Chandler, but are we sure Wilson Chandler is good? His teams are typically worse when he’s on the floor. Part of me thinks he’s not any better than Shump.
Swap Shump and Tavares for Knight. Cavs immediately stretch pay Knight. Sign tony allen.
Bledsoe?
i edited.
In that case waive Tavares who isn’t guaranteed, and stretch Shump, who makes less than Knight.
The goal is to give Phoenix a player who can actually play for a player who can’t.
Denver wouldn’t give up that many pieces.
Faried and Mudiay aren’t pieces. They are dumps.
Especially Mudiay. Faried has some NBA skills, but is Tristan without defense.
If Jackson is out of the realm of possibility I am okay with that. I like murray.
Why would the Suns do that?
Forgot to mention Cavs are taking Knight off their books for Shump.
Why are people so high on Jamal Murray?
Nice rookie stats and still three years left on rookie deal. Know little about him beyond that tbh.
Makes sense. I looked at his stats and thought, “Ok”
Sometimes I think this off season has just been one big practical joke. Waiting for someone to come out and say “gotcha!”
Add Calderone and Derrick Rose, fire David Griffin- this has all got to be a joke, right?
Can anyone construct a trade that gives the Knicks 20-30 more losses?
A three way that send Melo to Houston and gives the Cavs Zingis for Shump and Felder would do it, I bet…
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycu2szu7
I can’t help myself
I like it….get ‘er done, Koby…interesting how Kay is such an important chip in all these fake trades…/s
Haha. I needed to cut 600k…
Not bad.
This is fun, but I think the Suns say no.
Cavs might too. Four point guards plus LeBron
That being said, they’d probably do it if they keep Chriss. They don’t need to take on Ellington for the trade to work so that could go either way.
Need to get Boogie and keep Frye. Sweet huge 5 out lineup with frye, boogie, love, bron, swish
They are not trading Boogie before the season and most likely not before next summer. Boogie working hard for Pelicans in summer while recruiting players, getting into shape, working with Davis etc..
Boogie a free agent next summer, so…
Agree 100%. Keep Frye. In fact, I would argue for some PT vs GSW.
Nice article man. I’ve given up on them being able to dump Shump and still get back quality young players, or draft picks. Frye would probably be easier to move, and he could have a bigger role elsewhere. He might embrace being dealt to Phoenix.
I do love his personality, and wouldn’t be against them keeping him, and would still have his Roadtrippin podcast at the top of my rotation.