The Point-Fourward: Learning at Rest
2017-08-09Four points I’m thinking about the NBA…
1. The notion that one can learn while sleeping has gained a bit of traction recently. Research in the scientific community has shown humans to utilize the REM sleep cycle to rid the brain of superfluous information from the day. Basically, the brain has selective memory. Shocking.
What is more interesting is that upon waking, test subjects have been able to more accurately identify various auditory test patterns which were presented to them during their monitored slumber. It’s not just an info release session. Apparently, the brain can obtain and retain new information as well.
Good thing too, because this week of the NBA off-season is more effective than any Ambien. The NBA has done a masterful job of making itself relevant almost year round, but this week does not fall under that umbrella. Front office executives, players, NBA writers and almost everyone else in the NBA universe have peaced-out to various vacation spots around the globe. You know it’s the off-season when Zach Lowe is talking about his flip-flops.
Still, there is one fun activity going on at the moment. The NBA’s Basketball Without Borders has been in South Africa over the last week. An assortment of All-Stars and big time coaches made their way to Johannesburg for their typical outreach functions and an exhibition game. Yes, there was a Team World vs Team Africa game that was taken by Team World, but that’s not really particularly relevant to the NBA season. What is relevant is the time some of these players spend together on and off the court.
Off the court, the guys travel to different functions, often leaving their families to hang out with each other’s families while dad is at work. Don’t underestimate the power of familial bonding as it pertains to free agency. If a player’s family gets along with another player’s family during an international trip, it can have a rather substantial influence on future decisions.
On the court, certain players are training together who wouldn’t otherwise have had the opportunity to do so. Watching Joel Embiid, Dirk and Kristaps drain three after three is a sight to behold. The two youngsters make Dirk look almost small, all the while matching the legend’s shot making. Throw in some C.J. McCollum smooth, and the video is an absolute delight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuvya3USQ64
2. Of course, Kristaps Porzingis and Dirk Nowitzki have been mentioned together in countless articles since the Latvian became an NBA prospect. Anytime a tall, sweet-shooting European bigman blips on the NBA radar, he is compared to the greatest European born NBA player ever.
Most of the time, it is a ridiculous comparison. Even I have viewed Porzingis as more of an Anthony Davis styled player than Dirk. He has always shown great PnR potential on both sides of the ball, but frequently played like he was on roller-skates, much in the way Davis did early in his career. Dirk was thin, but never weak. Now that Porzingis has filled out, things have gotten very interesting. Porzingis plays with the same kind of nasty that Dirk has always exhibited. As his shot becomes more consistent (I still don’t love his slight tendency to land to the left of his leap), he looks poised to become a devastating combination of Davis and Dirk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW_fr8AdKJs
3. Many people assume the New York Knicks are going to have another subpar season. If it is, it is very unlikely to be the Zinger’s fault. For his sake, I hope Melo gets moved to another squad. They seem to get along just fine off the floor, but Anthony is unlikely to pass the torch quietly. At least the bigman doesn’t have to deal with Derrick Rose self-esteem issues anymore. Sigh.
On the site and in our writer email thread the past few days, we have discussed a possible Kyrie Irving for Porzingis swap. There would have to be other contracts involved. Our own Nate Smith went as far as to include Love, Irving, Tristan, Porzingis, Noah, Melo, Irving, O’Quinn, and well, almost everyone.
It’s a testament to LeBron James’s greatness that most GMs around the league would pull the trigger on that deal in a second. Putting Porzingis and Melo with LeBron is a very different activity than pairing the two with anyone else. Anthony is very unlikely to cede his alpha-dog status with Porzingis in New York, but would obviously do so with King James. It would stunt Kristaps’s numbers preventing him from reaching numerical heights, but the 7’3″ sweet-shooting, rim-protecting Unicorn could be Warriors’ Death Lineup kryptonite.
I could construct a disingenuous argument as to why Scott Perry and the Knicks should do that deal. They could finally rid themselves of the Melo headache. Their idiotic Noah signing would be a thing of the past. Kyrie Irving would sell a ridiculous amount of merchandise. Uncle Drew in New York could become a five part movie installment. Oh, and Kevin Love and Tristan Thompson are both under contract at reasonable deals.
Nope. Let’s be real. The Knicks would essentially be saying, “Yeah, we want the 2016-2017 Cavaliers, minus LeBron James and minus our young talent. Dolan isn’t a smart NBA owner and Steve Mills hasn’t shown himself to be much better, but one would think Scott Perry would veto any notion of trading Porzingis. I think it has zero chance of happening.
Ideally, for basketball fans, Kristaps is handed the keys next season, and we can watch the unicorn become a butterfly, or whatever it is that unicorns become when they reach full maturity. Cavaliers fans shouldn’t entertain the notion of it happening in a Cavs jersey anytime soon.
4. The Cavaliers unveiled their new uniforms for the 2017-2018 season. I’m not a fan of mixing too many colors in one jersey, so these are not particularly welcome changes to me. The old school Wine and Gold, or Blue and Orange are my favorites.
Whatever. I don’t really care as long as the guys wearing them play good ball. But, I suppose if we really want to analyze a jersey hype video (to this we’ve come), we could question the import of the individual use of the names Love and James, with Irving only being included in the later Big Three shot. NBA Boredom at its finest.
The New York Knicks, Minnesota Timberwolves, San Antonio Spurs and Miami Heat are the teams Kyrie Irving supposedly has on his trade wish list, and we can now add the Los Angeles Clippers to the mix as well.
According to NBA reporter Peter Vecsey, Irving reportedly prefers to play for the Clippers, even though he has no leverage in his trade demands since he doesn’t possess a no-trade clause.
http://amicohoops.net/does-kyrie-want-to-play-for-the-clippers/
Time to fire up the trade machine!
The Clippers have a bunch of guys that you cannot trade with other players. No thanks!
Maybe consider this… RJ, Iving, Felder, Tavares for DJ and Beverly.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc243xxa
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yd9xwkg5
Per the article: The best deal the Clippers could presumably come up with would be a package featuring center DeAndre Jordan, guard Patrick Beverley and forward Wesley Johnson — and that’s clearly not enough for an All-Star player like Irving.
Also, Amico Hoops reported that the Cavs and Clippers explored an Irving-for-Chris Paul deal in June, but the talks did not advance. Paul was later traded to the Houston Rockets.
Too bad The Donald doesn’t still run the show…that’s the stability that KI craves…
Very true.
..and now Jerry West is in clippers organization and Doc is not the GM.
Well he should said that before chris paul was traded maybe back in mid june
I think Durant is smart. He has plenty of money and now he is more likely to have a long run of championships.
I would trade Cols for Durant anytime!
I would also trade me for Durant.
Agree with Cols!
KD to cols on taking cut to enable iguodala and livingston signings :-)
“And on top of that, it’s my money. It’s my decision. I can do what the hell I want with it.””
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20307196/kevin-durant-wanted-rest-golden-state-warriors-get-paid-deserve
Sure he’s allowed to take a paycut to save his owner money. That doesn’t make it smart. He had to take about $3M less to make sure his guys got paid. Instead he took a $9M paycut to insure his billionaire owner makes more money. We are allowed to make fun of him for doing this.
You are wrong Cols, he had to take cut to allow Iguodala/Livingston signings for whom warriors didn’t have bird rights to go over cap to sign them.
Yes. I said that. He had to take about a $3M cut. He did not have to take a $9M cut. Stop
I don’t think Lacob is a billionaire yet
I guess – whats good for KD is therefore good for all of basketball? I mean hey it is his money he earned it all by himself when he created the sport after all
No. He’s terrible for the league. 4% BRI drop is 45% due to him and the lack of quality playoff games (another 40% due to the Cavs and the crappy eastern conference, and 15% due to resting and tankapalooza).
Yep. The west would’ve been so competitive. In fact, his OKC Thunder were the favorites had he stayed there. There’s zero chance his title felt even 1/1000th as awesome as James’ Cleveland title felt.
Your hyperbole is only surpassed by your petty bitterness.
KD must have felt same as Lebron’s first with Miami.
Guys, Kyrie is a good player. However, he is a Robin type, not Batman. He plays no D and his hoops IQ is low (or he often does not care and tries to get his numbers). Plus, he is selfish, moody, reclusive, and kind of stupid. In short, not the kind of guy a team builds around as a franchise player. He is more useful to a contender, but that type of team is less likely to give us the package we want. Boston comes closest. Too bad the already dealt Bradley. IT + Bradley + Crowder/Brown + pick is… Read more »
I would never give Kyrie to Boston – he is legitimately a dangerous weapon I dont want floating around on a challenger
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9m3ljxl
Bledsoe, LeBron, Davis, Love, Gobert
That is an outrageously enormous starting 5. Why does Phoenix do it? For picks?
They don’t. That is the definition of a pipe dream, and Gobert and Davis aren’t getting traded period.
It was a joke. None of that would happen
Or if they don’t want to trade the Zinger: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycwx7wnl
This is the Zinger trade I would make. Stretch pay Noah.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9owrtqc
I’d do it, I just really, really doubt Porzingis is on the table…at least not for KI…
The Kay Felder effect:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7ygns9b
The Trade Machine just has no idea of how good Felder is.
Kay Felder is so good he blows up trade machines.
How about this Pistons trade. Cavs ship out Irving +TT + Shump ($45 mil ish) & get Drummond ($23) + Avery Bradley ($9) + Stanley Johnson ($3-4) + pick plus more filler for salary: Leuer at $10 or Josh and/orIsh Smith for $11ish combined. I don’t love it. If we take TT out, we could do Ky & Shump for Drummond, Bradley, Johnson, and a pick. Works under the rules but we would be adding salary. Starters: Bradley, JR, James, Love, Drummond. Bench: Rose, Korver, RJ, Green, TT, Frye, Osman, Johnson. Inactive: Calderon & Tavares. Try to conver Felder or… Read more »
Barf
???
You can do that trade but would have to do Bradley and Shump separately.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yd3gbzjf
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7nhtp4m
I wouldn’t want Ish Smith or Drummond. Stanley Johnson is meh. I like Bradley, but I’m not giving up 3 starters, for mostly a poop sandwich.
Correction 2 starters.
I think any deal with the Pistons would have to include a third team. They don’t have much that I’d want.
While trading for Irving for will bring excitement to the Detroit, it may not be best for the franchise’s long-term plans, Rod Beard of The Detroit News contends. A deal for Irving would likely see the Pistons part with Stanley Johnson and Andre Drummond.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/08/piston-notes-irving-jackson-bradley.html?fv-home=true&post-id=71879
Not a fan of Drummond.
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/895738634673967104
I miss Saint Weirdo.
This just in: 73 win Warriors blew a 3-1 Finals lead.
Still the best championship of all time.
https://twitter.com/FearTheSword/status/895718962004205568
I think Kyrie is just destined to be a malcontent. He’s just such a strange dude. Also, takes after LeBron as a drama king.
LeBron doesn’t pull stunts like this.
Anyone else think this is pretty good news? Like he still performed great throughout the playoffs. On offense at least…
I should clarify: in terms of if the Cavs keep him, he can still coexist with the rest of the team on the court. Don’t have to be happy to still be very productive
It’s possible. But he’s getting shipped eventually.
Especially with LeBron being all about team chemistry. Luckily this isn’t the last year of his deal so maybe we can avoid a shake-down like Indiana and Chicago both got this year. Though, it seems, Indiana’s shake-down was self-inflicted.
How do you practice with teammates and not say anything to them? Seems like a huge doucher!
Aww, poor Kyrie…
I wonder if this has anything to do with Kyrie’s 4th quarter benching during a playoff game against Indiana where the Cavs came from behind a 20+ deficit in the third quarter.
Bingo. And the fact Bron was crushing it at the same time. Team goes 8-0 through first two rounds & Ky gets all sullen. The more I learn about him, the less I like him.
Idk. FTS stretching the narrative here a bit. There’s a difference between the quote: “[JAMES Jones] saw Kyrie Irving in the playoffs this year—in between the first round when they beat Indiana and the second round when they played Toronto—go consecutive days without speaking to a teammate at practice.” VS the headline “would go days…”
The quote says two days and it happened one time. The headline implies it could be any number of days and that it happened more that once.
BR sort of says the same thing: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2726783-kyrie-irving-reportedly-went-consecutive-days-without-talking-to-cavs-teammates?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national
Even if it was once, to not speak at all for two straights days of practice is pretty intense. Practices are long. How do you not speak?
https://twitter.com/2kayzero/status/895694126427000832
Bill Livingston sort of defends Dan Gilbert: Is Cavaliers’ Dan Gilbert really next-to-worst owner in NBA? — Bill Livingston
http://www.cleveland.com/livingston/index.ssf/2017/08/is_cavaliers_dan_gilbert_reall.html
Remember this: Bill Livingston Calls Out Dan Gilbert For Sending Out Late Night Drunk Messages, Including the Infamous Letter
https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2014/09/25/bill-livingston-calls-out-dan-gilbert-for-sending-out-late-night-drunk-messages-including-the-infamous-letter
Moral of the story: Dan Gilbert is not a good person.
Yeah. I get that vibe.
I heard him speak last October with Adam Silver and Fred McLeod to a private group. He seemed somewhat normal, but this was right before they received the championship rings, there were no reporters, and he provided his “ISM” book which I’m told is Scientology-Esque. I didn’t grab a copy on my way out to the game.
Team and players happy about no cbus or Cincinnati games.
https://twitter.com/cleveland19news/status/895687206253277184
The article starts off by saying that the offseason has been full of ups and downs. I wonder what ups they are referring to?
Apparently they are talking about everyone else lol
Calderon.
The uni pictured above kind of looks like the Hawks unis.
He should have stayed in Memphis.
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/895651185524449282
Doesn’t he live in Cali now, where it’s legal?!?!?!?!
Not to sell it without a license. Possession he’d have been fine. The ‘intent to sell” part is a problem.
Why would he need to sell weed?
Isn’t ‘intent to sell’ a legal term for a certain amount in possession? If so, it may be the case that he just was busted with a lot of weed on him. But I am no expert…
You are correct.
In CA intent to sell means just that, you intend to furnish, give away, or sell. The amount you have is relevant in that determination, but not dispositive. If you can show that you have an amount reasonably related to your personal use, then it’s not intent to sell. My guess is that he was either acting as a middleman for a friend or he was furnishing it to people at a party.
Intent to sell will get dropped. It’s a standard charge for someone carrying that amount of marijuana. Impossible to prove, especially in his case.
https://twitter.com/rudygobert27/status/895366074484441088
Rudy! Rudy! Rudy!
Blatt looking to return to the NBA… https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/08/blatt-remains-focused-on-returning-to-the-nba.html?fv-home=true&post-id=71817
Can hardly wait for Cols’ thoughtful take on this news item.
Looking forward to that analysis!
Prediction: Will include the word “arrogant.”
Who can remember what side they were on in the great Blatt Vs. Lue debate?
Team Blatt
Blatt for me. Still think he is going to make an excellent coach. Had LeBron not come back I think he would have been the perfect fit going forward.
I was team Blatt.
I like him, but i don’t think his ego will fit in the NBA. He needs to assist under Pop like Ettore Messina is, and get a little humility back.
He should have taken asst job with warriors instead of Cavs HC job, you know to get a feel for NBA before taking on a HC job.
We probably would’ve won in 2015 in that case.
My Miami trade proposal http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y73ryaa5
I’d do that one. Giving up Kay is pretty harsh, though. Dan would likely nix that idea.
Just tell him Bledsoe is from Detroit.
Interesting. I could see how this works for all parties.
I’m glad we’re on the same page Hot Sauce!
Remember Dragic force his way out of phoenix they would never take him back.
Never say never.
I’m still wondering where Broussard got his sauces from…
I don’t see why Phoenix does that deal.
People need to stop underrating Love. Guy has a really high basketball IQ, uses his body well to rebound and draw fouls, and fits well with LeBron and Tristan. They still form the best froncourt in the league, assuming Tristan can make faster decisions with the ball. This Cavs roster is awesome. They could easily have 2 of the last 3 titles. Regular season stats are meaningless for this team – it’s been proven they turn it up in the playoffs. A historical fluke in the salary cap allowed another great team get the 2nd best player in the league,… Read more »
Love’s my fave on the team. Just think the Zinger’s gonna be an all-timer.
I don’t ever see him being hyper efficient on 2s which will limit him as a center.
You’d be wrong. Dude’s gonna be a hybrid of Dirk, Durant, and Gobert.
That’s some serious kool-aid drinking, Nate. We’ll see.
I had him as Dirk+Pau with more Pau than Dirk.
A little more athletic Dirk but not as good of a shooter, is how I think he turns out.
Amen. Lots of contributors are constantly wanting to get rid of pretty good players on the Cavs and replace them with random parts. Love is not in LeBron’s class, but is totally solid. TT has been very good also until the last month or two of this last season. Could it be that he played every game for about five years? Or the curse of the Kardashians? An injury? A fluke? Who knows, but he is a lot better than anyone we are likely to replace him with.
New unis are making it very hard to root for laundry. Yuck.
There was a tweet from Chris Broussard that was deleted that said Irving being traded to Miami for Dragic, Winslow, Adebayo, and possible pick.
Sauces…..
Aside from something Broussard said and took back, I would not be surprised if something like that ends up happening. KI and Dion reunited…hilarious…they should be fine as long as KI recognizes that Miami is Dion’s city…
I could see Miami moving Dion, but I hope they keep that backcourt together.
They’d need to….Dion would be the guy taking all the big late game shots while KI facilitates…it’ll be awesome…
He got fake newsed
Things Gilby does right
1. pays players to keep a championship level team together
2. provides first class practice, travel, medical and eating facilities that players seem to really enjoy
3. gets front office personnel that are analytical minded instead of old school dudettes or dudes
Things Gilby does wrong
1. Doesn’t want to extend his GM at his GMs asking price
2. wrote a dumb letter
3. voted for freaking Trump
“3. voted for freaking Trump”
He is just among the majority of people who voted for Trump in your state.
I do not live in said state.
Well it’s traditionally a swing state.
Those are mostly transplants from Dixie.
I think Gilbert votes in Michigan.
Not in Cleveland however.
I thought ‘firing’ Griff was one of the things he did right? That’s what you have been trumpeting, is it not?
http://hoopshype.com/rumor/1130485/
Dan Gilbert voted second worst owner in NBA.
By the players? Because Frye was going on and on about how well the Cavs players are treated and how everything is first class and the food and all that.
Or by the media because they hate Dan Gilbert? Those people do not realize how nice it is to have an owner willing to spend the big bucks on players because Cleveland generally doesn’t have those, and generally has a lot of trouble gettting players to be excited to play in a market such as Cleveland.
Maybe by Lebron? He’d be right at the bottom for me if I were Lebron.
LeBron only cares about winning and making sure the owner pays the players. He doesn’t seem to really care about much else.
I am sure he cares about lot more aside from winning like family, money, legacy etc..
Do you know how to click a link and read?
Not surprised at all.
Gilbert probably liked having Donald Sterling provide that buffer from #2 to #3.
Who did the voting? Read it and see it was an “online poll”. Probably about 93% of them voted for vaccination causing autism.
As I stated previously I like Portzingis, but I’m not completely sure he solves our problems vs. the Warriors, I guess I’d like to see some tape. I certainly get the argument, but is he mobile enough? He looks to be, I’m just not completely convinced. Also, I still don’t make that trade, sorry Nate, but it really doesn’t matter because I don’t see a deal happening with NY on the Zinger.
I got bad news Arch: NOBODY solves our problems vs. the Warriors. Get used to it.
Swap Felder for KD and we are good…
Forgot about that possibility! Maybe Warriors fan can help set up the trade. Don’t tell Cols.
Ben, I enjoy your posts.
Same here. I’m not as high on Zingis as Ben, but I’m not sure anyone is. ;)
Interesting to compare Love Vs Porzingis, last year stats. Love was better rebounder(added muscle will help Porzingis this year), but all else Porzingis is either very close or better. Love is not a shot blocker, Porzingis blocks shots and alters shots. Now, imagine Porzingis with Lebron and in a happy situation, he will be all NBA talent. Porzingis might have already better player than Love was last year and not even close to his peak while Love might be past his peak. Knicks are not that stupid to trade him. By firing Phil Jackson, they already kinda committed to Porzingis.… Read more »
About Kyrie, I think Cavs can actually become better overall by trading him(even if you can’t get an all star player in return) for a better defensive PG, more of a PG than an off guard like Kyrie plus if they can add another rotation player. Cavs might be able to move to a more team oriented offense than iso that actually leverages the shooting prowess the team possesses. Better defensive lineups can keep games closer and Lebron can create higher %age catch and shoot opportunities for Frye, JR, Love and Korver at the end of of close games.
Love isn’t past his peak. NBA aging curves for bigs tend to plateau till around 31.
You are right,he is not past his peak think he is still at his peak. He just need to stay healthy.
Probably mentioned before but could the Cavs have used Ty Lawson over Calderon?
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20289181/ty-lawson-agrees-deal-shandong-golden-stars-chinese-basketball-association
No. Lawson sucks even worse than Calderon.
I don’t see how, other than the 3pt shooting. Lawson is 6 years younger and the Cavs needed to get younger.
So you don’t see how one guy is in China?
Other than personal/legal issues, which I haven’t cared enough to search for, a 29yo player that averaged 10pts/3rb/5ast is a solid NBA talent – specially in one of the most, if not the most, important positions in the current NBA.
The rest of the NBA disagrees with you considering he’s now in China.
4 DUIs for Ty.
Agree with Cols. Lawson stinks!
He has some legal issues.
You guys are way to high on Porzingis.
For once I agree. Way overhyped. Not all that efficient from the field and I don’t see him improving his efficiency all that much. I see him maxing out around 45-46% from the field if he averages 18-19 shots a game. I also don’t think he ever reaches Dirk level 3pt efficiency. That makes him a big with a decent TS% but maybe not a big who you can completely count on to be a dominant finisher.
No chance Porzingis is better than Love next year
Agreed.
Agreed?
No chance? What kind of odds you giving me?
https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kristaps+Porzingis&player_id1_select=Kristaps+Porzingis&player_id1=porzikr01&y1=2017&player_id2_hint=Kevin+Love&player_id2_select=Kevin+Love&y2=2017&player_id2=loveke01&idx=players
You never miss a chance to be wrong do you?
Do you ever understand that a question is not a statement?
Might wanna take a look at the advanced tab
Career totals and totally irrelevant
Coincidently posted the same reference above. Typed an hour back but didn’t post.
Gross jerseys
From what we’ve seen so far, Porzingis is way overhyped
Keep Kyrie
Zinger does look bigger and quicker in that video from this summer. He’s going to be a problem.
Damn you, Ben and your intellectual honesty. I was planning on using you as a platform to sell this trade to Knicks fans. Other than your refusal to tow the company line, great piece.
Toe
Reverse reverse jinx or something?