Not A Recap: Thoughts On The Wine & Gold Scrimmage
2017-10-02Tonight, the Schreiner family took a trip downtown for a special occasion. The Cleveland Cavaliers unofficially kicked off the 2017-2018 NBA season with their annual Wine & Gold Scrimmage. With a bunch of new faces, and just as many questions surrounding the roster and potential lineups, there were a lot of things to watch for tonight, even if they may not end up mattering much at all.
With LeBron James, Isaiah Thomas, and Cedi Osman all missing the scrimmage due to various injuries, the starting lineup for the Wine Team included Derrick Rose, J.R. Smith, Dwyane Wade, Jae Crowder, and Kevin Love. Meanwhile, the Gold (gray) Team featured Jose Calderon, Iman Shumpert, Kyle Korver, Jeff Green, and Tristan Thompson. Considering several players switched sides halfway through the scrimmage, the final score wasn’t nearly as eye-catching as the performances of the individual players.
While Calderon started for the Gold Team, it’s unlikely he’s part of the rotation when the season starts. Rose seems likely to start at point guard, and Wade will seemingly back him up. At this point in his career, it’s hard to say Calderon has the necessary athleticism to be a consistent contributor at the highest level, but you can still see that combination of terrific court vision and elite shooting that made him one of the most underrated offensive players in the game during his prime. He did a good job of getting the Gold Team into it’s sets when given the chance.
Unfortunately, Iman Shumpert didn’t always let Calderon have that chance. Shumpert started the game on a bit of a hot streak, scoring seven of the Gold Team’s first 17 points. That run proved to be fool’s gold, as Shumpert followed that up by turning the ball over several times, running a disastrous pick-and-roll with Jeff Green, and blowing several finishes at the rim.
Green had his moments, but like Shumpert continued to play too much isolation basketball considering his role and the talent level on this team. The optimist in me hopes that Green can prove to be useful as a smallball four off the bench who exploits mismatches, but there’s a pretty long track record that makes me skeptical.
Earlier today, Jason Lloyd of The Athletic reported that Jefferson seems to be the odd man out as the Cavaliers look to finalize the 15-man roster. It seemed like Jefferson had heard the news and wanted to show what a bad idea that would be. Suiting up for the Wine Team, he was relentless in attacking the basket in transition, with several impressive finishes that belied his 37 years. He also had a nice corner three, and guarded several positions. While Jefferson’s relatively small contract and the fact that he is currently eligible to be traded point to him being on his way out, his solid play against the Warriors these last two seasons, along with his tremendous impact in the locker room make me hope that the Cavaliers are able to make a deal for Shumpert, who simply doesn’t bring as much to the table, or decide to part ways with Calderon, who may no longer be necessary with the addition of Wade as yet another playmaker.
Wade switched to the Gold Team in the second quarter and did a great job of setting up the offense, racking up five assists in the quarter. He had some nice chemistry with Korver, and seems open to the role of playmaker off the bench. I still think he should start at point guard over Rose. This isn’t hockey. There are no line changes, and Tyronn Lue could still make sure that Wade and Korver share plenty of court time if he sets up the rotation that way. At the same time, Wade could be what the Cavs have been looking for as a player who can keep the offense afloat when James is off the floor. It may simply be easier to work out the rotation with him coming off the bench.
Rose had some athletic finishes, but couldn’t get his outside shot to fall, and didn’t really make an impact with his passing. In short, he looked like Derrick Rose.
Among the younger players, Kay Felder and Edy Tavares didn’t do much, and seem to be on their way out of Cleveland. Tavares used his size well on defense around the basket, but he was noticeably slower than any of the other players, and seemed to be limping a bit at times. The fact that he didn’t get into the game until the fourth quarter says a lot about his future with the team. Felder couldn’t finish around the basket, and did a poor job of setting up his teammates. At this point, it’d be surprising to see him stick in the NBA at all, let alone with a contender like the Cavaliers.
On the other hand, newcomers John Holland and Ante Zizic impressed. Holland moved well without the ball, finishing several catch-and-shoot opportunities and cuts to the rim. He should be able to provided competent wing depth when needed. Zizic looks like he could be a real asset for the Cavaliers. He did a great job finishing as a roll man, and showed a soft touch from mid-range. Zizic’s battles with Kendrick Perkins down low were some of the best moments of the scrimmage. Perk may not have a place in the NBA anymore, but he’s still a solid post defender who’s as tough as they come, and Zizic was able to get the best of him. You could see how frustrated Perkins was, which made you both appreciate what Zizic was doing, and the competitive fire that still burns in Perk to make him take this scrimmage so seriously.
The Cavs are back in action Wednesday night as the Atlanta Hawks come to Quicken Loans Arena for the first preseason game of the year. James will still be out with a sprained ankle, but the game should give us more information on how this new roster will fit together. There’s work to be done, but this team has the potential to be a lot of fun.
Stephen A. Smith said on First Take today, “the CAVS are a deep and talented team”. I can live with that comment, but can coach Lue? Coach Lue only likes to play 7 maybe 8 players if the CAVS are lucky, unlike the WARRIORS, who play everybody including the team manager!
I have kind of a half-baked conspiracy theory that I don’t actually believe but seems loosely plausible. The Cavs are going to trade IT when he gets healthy. Lebron has been strangely quiet about IT, and has been singing the praises of Rose and DWade. If Wade is willing to play backup PG, perhaps IT is the odd man out. When we first got IT, lots of people here viewed him as “unplayable” against Ws and in the playoffs. Maybe the FO has similar concerns. I personally like IT, and think he brings an important scoring element to the team.… Read more »
I’m all for this conspiracy theory. IT and Shump Bledsoe, although I don’t think you can trade IT with another player.
As we saw with Wiggins, LeBron being quiet is not a good thing if you want to stay a Cav.
However, given that IT seems vastly better than Rose or Wade at this point, trying to get rid of him seems like an odd plan.
The IT is a conundrum. He has already made it known that he wants the big bucks if not the max contract. Boston will never publicly admit it but they never wanted to give a 5-9, injury-prone guard who will turn 30 in less than 2 years a max contract worth about 40 M a year. Rose and Wade, at least for now, are willing to settle for vet minimum and reduced roles. I wouldn’t be surprised if IT is traded especially if he is not recovering fast and well enough to help in the homestretch and in the play-offs.
I really wonder if our 3rd unit (Calderon, Holland, Osman, RJ, Frye) could beat Lue’s choice for the second unit (Wade, Shump, Korver, Green, TT).
Nope
Jason vs the Other Jason
I AM LMA OFF!!!——THAT IS TOO MUCH ARCH !!
https://twitter.com/Steve_R_Walker/status/915639286409650177
No doubt. I don’t think Cedi can defend PGs. If he can, I say we keep RJ & Calderon & stretch Shump.
We missed the deadline for stretch pay, according to Nate.
RIPx2
I’m willing to give him a major role on the team….as long as ‘the team’ is the Pelicans…
Not sure why it’s showing empty posts from me?
HOPE WE SEEE MORE THAN JUST A POSTER OF CEDI
https://twitter.com/cediosman/status/915625481105477632
HAVING A TRIBE ‘BLOCK ‘ PARTY—–ME / SONS MIGHT GO UP —–THEY HAVE THE BEER TAB !!
https://twitter.com/MRidenourABJ/status/915599820211068929
Here’s an idea, who ever loses this series of CLE-NY, has to take on Shump’s contract.
It’s a deal!
Spank the Spankees!!!! I would have rather played Minnesota. The Yankees actually have a better bull pen then the Tribe. It’s always fun beating the Yankees though. Go Tribe!
I didn’t realize this, but Bauer did start game 1 last season in Boston in the ALDS. Trust in Tito!
Tito presumably has some good reasons.
One might be that everyone is well rested, so if Bauer flails, it will be no problem going with the bullpen. The next day you probably won’t need much from the bullpen.
That’s what it is. He wants Kluber on regular rest.
Didn’t Kluber pitch Saturday, so regular rest would be Thursday, not Friday?
The biggest issue that I see is that there is a 90% chance of rain for game 2. If it gets pushed a day, you just screwed yourself.
Yeah that sort of throws a wrench into it.
Yikes! That is a bummer.
WOULD BE HAPPY IF T.T. JUST SHOOTS 40 % FROM FOUL LINE ——GUNDY JUST TRYING TO “DRUM ” UP INTEREST / CONTROVERSY
Jeff Van Gundy on The Lowe Post talking about DWade possibly shooting 40% from three this season. That would be a boon.
Tho, I find it incredibly unlikely. Lowe points out that Wade’s career high is 31.7%… which isn’t good.
He then goes on to say that Boston would beat CLE in a playoff series if IT4 didn’t play… he’s all over the place.
Not sure about that. I think CLE wins whether or not IT plays.
I wholeheartedly agree.
You think Boston beats us if IT doesn’t play? I think you’re overvaluing his playoff impact.
No, I’m agreeing with YOU.
Oops. Sorry. Completely misread your statement.
Slightly more likely than TT shooting 40% from 3 this season. Slightly.
Also, aren’t there multiple Indians forums that you guys could post on? Esp with actual basketball starting in less than 2 weeks, and borderline meaningful starting tonight.
We like it here. There is nothing happening in basketball. Don’t read it if it bothers you.
Like the Bledsoe idea, but I think i like P Beverley more, and he may be cheaper. He kinda feels like exactly the player this team will need, esp once Thomas comes back
The problem with Beverly is that he cannot be traded with other players. So still have to trade Shump, plus one of RJ, Calderone, Frye, Rose in another deal.
Cavs should turn some combination of shump, rj, frye, osman, and their own 18 1st round pick into Bledsoe. And I’d love to see them turn more parts into Faried. i love run the court and finish guys. i would love the roster to be a big,interchangeable blur, and for it to be used to exploit the depth advantage. I don’t think Rose is going to fit. Imagine the lineups and interchangeability of the parts… defense: bledsoe, jr, lbj,crowder, tt offense: it, wade, jr/crowder, lbj, love, 3 pt: it/bledsoe, jr, korver,lbj,love this team matches up with gs bledsoe/it wade/jr lbj/crowder… Read more »
I agree on Bledsoe, but not with Faried. I’m sure Denver would love to get rid of Farieds contract. I’m not really sure what Faried does well, other than being an energy guy that can dunk. He can’t play defense, can’t rebound, and can’t shoot.
I hope Tito has a quick hook on Bauer.
I don’t get this at all
It does look like he is thinking too hard. But Tito’s record is the best ever, so you have to give him slack.
I would NOT carry Brantly, at least in the first round. I would take Greg Allan any day. His value as a pinch runner is at least as much as Brantly as a pinch hitter. And he is the best outfielder on the team (other than Zimmer, who is hurt), and for late game super defense he would be a big plus. Otherwise, the Indians have the best infield by far, but a so-so outfield.
I believe they are carrying both Allen and Brantley.
Bauer starting game 1 or my comment?
Your comment is right on. I was agreeing with it. Any idea when they have to announce the 25 man roster?
Bring out the Midges!
I posted this in the bottom of the first:
Game Over. Twins one and only shot was that early lead and Santana. I’ll bet Twins don’t score more than 1 more run and Yankees will break it open by seventh.
Whelp seems like we willing facing the Yankees which I dread. Not that I don’t think the Tribe has a great chance, but more because I stand the thought of possibly losing to the damn Yankees, still my most despised team in all of sports.
Can’t stand
I can’t stand them either. But it don’t matter. The Indians have been thumping them all year, and will do it again.
Minnesota could had their lead off runner on third. Terrible coaching.
I increasingly sound incoherent when I post via phone.
Judge cranks a 2-run bomb. Yanks lead 7-4.
Tito is getting too cute. I am on that train. Start Kluber. Win game 1. Carrasco in game 2.
Yeah I don’t trust Bauer at all.
I hope the Yankees lose because if they don’t, it probably means Severino pitches against Bauer, no?
I hope so.
Twins 0 for 5 iwith runners in scoring position. Killer.
Tie Ballgame
Tie game again 4-4.
I love how these two teams are burning through their pitching staffs.
4-3 Yankees!
When is the last time both starters in a playoff game had a postseason ERA of 81.00? After that homer and before the second out in the bottom of the First, both starters were at 81.
I hope this game goes 20 innings
Tie game!
Game Over. Twins one and only shot was that early lead and Santana. I’ll bet Twins don’t score more than 1 more run and Yankees will break it open by seventh.
Twins just retied it at 4-4.
If Yankees come back and win, I bet Severino starts game 1.
3-0 Twins in the 1st Inning.
Please let the Twins win. That would be awesome.
I’ll do my best. I bat 10th.
Gotta say, even for the Bronx, I’m surprised at the Boos for Severino. Got off on the wrong foot. Unless he’s injured, not sure I get taking him out so quick. Give him a chance to settle down at least. I know it’s win or go home, but he’s their best pitcher and gives them a good chance.
But they’ve also have a good pen, so I understand the early hook. If Bauer stinks it up on Thursday, I’m sure Tito will pull him early too.
I hated everything I heard from Shump’s interview.
It is astonishing to me that nearly all of us, except Cols, of course, thought Delly was more useful than Shump. Is there something we’re all missing? Why does this organization think he’s useful? He had potential a few years ago. That potential turned out to be garbage. Time to let it go.
They’ve tried to trade him and have been unsuccessful.
I’m talking about 2 years ago when we could’ve matched for Delly and dumped Shump then, right after the ring.
Is everyone just ignoring how horrible Dellavedova was last year? Might have been one of the worst players in the NBA.
He provided more value than Shump by every measure. Also, he played a position of need. Not sure how you can think he’s worth less than Shump.
Shump certainly seemed to be the better player with a higher ceiling after Cavs signed him in 2015. Delly might have been a better player a year later when he was a free agent but i wouldn’t want him at 8mil per. Delly at his best is a capable backup PG. Those are a dime a dozen.
We sure couldn’t find one last year.
Name those 12 that the Cavs could have signed last off season for a dime.
Idk, maybe one of the 485 players who ranked higher in VORP (Delly was last in the league among ALL players)
So why didn’t the Cavs get a couple of them?
I don’t know
-1.9 rpm. Not good (45th among point guards). But not worst in NBA. Yeah, he shot 39% from floor, but he also shot 37% from three with a 3:1 assist to turnover rating.
FWIW Shumpert was -1.14. He shot 36% from 3 and had a 12.7% TOV rate compared to 18.8% for Dellavedova.
Turnover rate, given delly’s assists means nothing. I’m not saying he was a world beater last year but he wasn’t one of the worst players in the league. Delly so rarely does stupid things with the ball. The game 5 lowlights of Shump were vomit inducing.
Delly also got injured mid way through the season. He was playing pretty well again by the finals and was the only one creating offense when Gianni was tired, spurring a comeback from 20 points down in the last game against Toronto. He’s a better backup rather than a starter because he has to expend a lot of energy to overcome his lack of athleticism which mitigates against big minutes. He can play well within a system though and he played better with the other system players at the Bucks ( i.e. not Beasley).
Shumpert was signed in 2015
Me, too. It is astounding. Do more? AFTER we get IT, Crowder, Wade, Rose, & Calderon? FFS, do less. Stay in your lane. Play better D. Work on your jumper. No wonder he and Kyrie were bffs. As John Wooden said, there is no fix for stupid.
It’s time again for http://www.pleasestopdribblingShump.com if he plans to more aggressive after talking to Lue. If a player can’t have the right attitude in the NBA Finals, there is no hope.
On the Tribe, hard to even question a Francona move, but I do wonder if he is getting too cute not starting Kluber in Game One?
I agree. The team that loses game 1 goes on to win the series 28 percent of the time.
Especially with severino being spent in the wc. Yankees are our biggest threat. Kluber Carrasco probably gives you 2-0 lead before severino can pitch.
Good point. Wasn’t thinking about that. Server info won’t be ready game 1. That puts that in a different perspective. Now it seems like an odd decision.
Severino isn’t going to make it out of the 1st inning against the Twinkies.
Please let the Twins win.
I like it. The Yankees terrify me. This way you match up Kluber with a weaker pitcher and Carrasco with a weaker pitcher. We have never really hit Severino that well.
It also kind of goes against his “win the game today” mindset that has served them so well, including all through last October. They never tried to get ahead of themselves. Bauer has been good, but he can certainly implode. Kluber gives you the best chance to win the game in front of you.
They’re getting a little too cute.
Cavs need to make trades to get one or two more two-way players. They need to get one of Eric Bledsoe, Avery Bradley, Patrick Beverly, or Delly.
Not sure they have the assets to get the first three other than using the Brooklyn pick. Delly I wouldn’t necessarily regard as a two way player.
Besides Lebron and Crowder, Delly is more of a two-way player than anyone on our roster currently.
I mean despite my fondness for the guy and what he brings, objectively, I would have to say he is very limited on offense.
Come on. JR & Love. TT. Wade.
Or Durant.
‘Fool’s Gold’ is a great nickname for Shump. I think the Pels fans will really get behind it.
Exhibit A for Lue being a poor coach. If this is the result, perhaps we should ban him from talking to the players. My goodness, Shump looking to be more aggressive with the ball. Seriously.
https://articles.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2017/10/iman_shumperts_conversation_wi.amp
That’s his advice to every player. Have you ever heard of him telling someone to be less aggressive?
NBA is drastically changing the selection process for the All-Star game: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20905491/nba-all-star-game-switch-formats-captains-pick-team-conference-affiliations
Kind of a cool idea. I just hope that Zaza isn’t the top vote getter.
This has a couple slightly good aspects, but is basically a dumb idea. It is just a pick up game for the two captains. A lot of the fun for a large fraction of the people watching any game in any sport is rooting for “your” team. Usually “your” translates into whatever team you live near. So who are Cavs fans going to root for, the team with LeBron, or the team with Love and Crowder?
I disagree. The all star game is a pick up game either way. Fans will just root for their favorite players like a lot of them already do.
I disagree. Most fans identify with a particular team, and their favorite players are the guys on that team. Having your favorite players on both teams will dilute fan interest.
Most fans identify with the East team or West team, despite a majority of those players not being on their actual team?
Fans are able to walk and chew bubble gum. Maybe they can cheer for both teams or just a good game, regardless of who wins.
The all star game is meaningless, and I applaud the commissioner for changing it up.
Who says no?
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ya9xsmax
Everyone remotely connected to Suns basketball? Honestly though, I don’t see how Shump is traded. He’s a two year contract at $10-11M, who has shown he’s not worth the money. It will be far easier to trade RJ, Calderon or Green who are on 1-year deals at $2M.
Add a 2nd round pick. They get a prospect in Osman, and another pick for a rebuilding team.
Me, I want to see what Osman can bring to the court before we ship him right off.
Sounds like he won’t play this year. Looks like Lue is going to send him to Canton.
Probably not the Cavs, sadly.
I’m assuming that we are also sending them a first round pick. Otherwise the suns have no reason to make this trade
Sure, or a second rounder.
The Suns. And us. If Wade is going to be the 2nd unit PG, that means we effectively would have 6 PGs on our 15 man roster, which is too many. IT, LeBron, Rose, Wade, Calderon, Bledsoe.
I think the Suns would want more. A 1st, certainly. Also, I think the deal on our end would most likely happen mid season & be Shump + Rose.
I wouldn’t consider Wade a PG. He can handle the duties, but probably plays better off the ball. IT is out for a bit, and you could trade Calderon in December. Also LeBron doesn’t want to be a PG very often. So with Calderon you’re looking at 3.5 PG’s in Bledsoe, IT, Rose, and Calderon.
How do you earn a Trade Exception for a players salary?
I believe it’s if you trade a guy to a team with cap space, then you get a TE for the amount of his contract back in return that you can use to trade for a guy later on. That way, if you are over the cap, and trade a guy for a draft pick, you still have the option to use that salary to acquire another guy without breaking the 110% salary difference rules for the salary cap.
Is there any limitations on when a TE can be applied? Otherwise it seems like it would make “Matching salaries” a moot point in trade discussions.
You can’t mix and match TE’s to match a larger salary. So say we trade Shumpert to Philly for a roll of duct tape because their GM got drunk. We would get a $10M TE in return. We could then use any, or close to all of that TE to acquire another player from another team for $10M or less. For example, we could trade the TE to the Bucks for Delly, because his salary is only $9M. We could use part of the TE to make that trade and “match” salaries, while still having $1M left of the TE.… Read more »
I wonder if you could trade Shump for a bunch of non-guaranteed contracts, then just cut all the players they take back?
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/09/201718-nba-non-guaranteed-contracts-by-team.html
Atlanta, Chicago, Houston all have a bunch of non-guaranteed deals and I think any of those teams may want Shump.
He lives in Atlanta in the off-season. He grew up in Chicago. The Rockets are a contender, sort of, and they were interested in him earlier in the year.
Plus throw in a 2nd round pick. Who says no?
Why would they want Shump?
He’s a borderline all-star /s
New Orleans could use a Shump.
https://twitter.com/clevezirm/status/915223671458926593
Wow Eyenga is a deep cut.
I’d consider giving a 2nd rounder and/or first rounder, to a team that takes on Shump’s contract.
Zizic?
No. I’d keep Zizik. Offer only picks and Kay Felder.
You guys are going off the rails again.
Nah, just trying to get rid of Shump.
PER AMICO HOOPS –CEDI HAS BACK SPASMS—–REPORTEDLY WILLL SEND MOST OF HIS TIME IN CANTON —WTF TY ?
Well that’s a big bummer.
Also consider that Amico is almost always wrong. Back spasms, yes. Canton? We will see.
YEAH HOPING WE HAVE A CEDI SITING ON WED —SEE WHAT HE BRINGS TO THE TABLE——I AM REPEATING MYSELF – ( AT MY AGE I DO THAT QUITE OFTEN ) BUT DIDN’T WE HAVE THE SAME THING ( PROBABLY BETTER ) WITH “ENCHILADA ” THAT WE HAVE IN GREEN —-DON’T FIGURE …..JUST WISH I KNEW MORE ON THAT DECISION
I think it probably comes down to Lue’s relationship with Green. I’d rather have Derrick Williams.
Anyone who expects any sort of positive contribution from Jeff Green is going to be hugely disappointed. One could make a strong case he has been the worst NBA player per dollar for the last 6 years. That said, the fact that he is still in the league after what he has gone through with his heart makes me root hard for him, even if he lets me down.
And the worst thing is Lue will probably play him over Cedi for like the first 3-4 months until he realises he isn’t Boston Green anymore.
Berkshire Hathaway (Warren Buffet) is is buying Pilot Flying J over the next 8 years. Not clear how this might affect the Browns.
Well, it won’t make them worse.
Was at the scrimmage last night as well. A couple other observations from in-person. Calderon is not athletic anymore, but he doesn’t make mistakes. Even when he seemingly gets backed into a corner or put in a poor spot he manages to pass out of the problem. What looked like a mistake and turnover turned into an open 3 for Crowder. It seems like he might stick for the season (I am also on the “Keep RJ train” so this is a disappointment). Perk looked real trim. He was slow, as always, but angry smurf was a lean, mean, fighting… Read more »
J.R. POST GAME — 1ST ATTEMPT —-1/2/ CT SWISH——WAY TO LIVE UP TO YOUR NAME !!!
R.J. HAS THE EXPERIENCE /PRESENCE ……..SHUMP TO DUMP BUT NOBODY WANTS ——–CALDERON IS A NICE INSURANCE OPTION ………….GREEN WHAT DOES HE BRING …BESIDES ATHLETICISM AND YOUTH ……….GOING TO BE A TOUGH CALL ( YOU KNOW LEBRON WILL HAVE SOME INPUT —WHICH COULD INFLUENCE DECISON(S)————–MIGHT AS WELL WORK ON A NICKNAME FOR ANTE —-HE WILL BE HERE / WHICH ALSO MAKES THAT TRADE EVEN LOOK BETTER ……HOPING CEDI IS READY FOR WED .
After watching the scrimmage, I realised how much I’ve been missing watching the team play. I also realised I don’t miss Kyrie at all, and I’m excited about the different style of play already evident. Hard to tell from a screen, but they seemed to be a happy team unit. Got a nice surprise watching Zizic, he looked motivated and ready. A real shame Cedi didn’t get on court, can’t wait to see him in action. Go Cavs.
I would trade Shump for a late second rounder and cash just to keep RJ. Keeping Shump, Green, Felder, or Tavares over RJ would be a big mistake.
Bad News: The problem is that Shump has two years at about $10M each, and is basically worthless. No one will trade for him unless you take back a similarly bad contract, or give up some decent draft picks. Probably the best the Cavs can hope for is to trade Shump + some draft picks (or another player) for someone owed $10 odd M for only one year. Or, they might be able to work him plus other stuff into some other deal for a high priced guy that can actually play. I would consider cutting him, and eating the… Read more »
Cavs probably gonna try to move RJ. Which sucks. Green is awful.
Yep, it sucks. I’m still amazed that RJ wants to go around again after almost hanging them up after the title. Would he want to move again & play for another team at this point?
Shump makes $10 mil. There’s only like 3 teams with cap room. They’ve passed the stretch pay deadline. Love to see Cut green. But I doubt GM LeBron that happen.
If LeBron actually is the GM, why do you think he would prefer Green over RJ?
Well that was illegible, Nate.
Cavs probably have to give up Zizic or their own first at a minimum to get someone to take Shump.
Nice recap, Mike. I tell you green and Shumpert are horrible. If the Cavs dump RJ to keep green, they’re just plain dumb. RJ knows his role and plays it while Shump and Green make dumb decision after dumb decision. I know it’s preseason, but they’re so frustrating.
Calderon has to stay. Cavs need a third guard and calderon’s shot looked good.
Hard to disagree with any of this.
Do you really need a third point guard when you have LeBron and Wade?
Yes because we have a lot of injured or injury prone players.
Jose cannot guard anyone, but he doesn’t make mistakes (#2 active assist to TO ratio behind CP3) and once upon a time was a great shooter (had a 50/40/90 year, led league in 3PT%).
Outside of Crowder & JR & non chill mode James, Shump & Green are our most athletic defenders.
Agreed about RJ – I still think he should be in the rotation. He may not be an every game player, but if he can stay sharp, I think he can give us 15-20 minutes a night in the play-offs. I think Calderon should be the odd man out. With Lebron, Wade, DRose and (eventually) IT, we have no use for a ball-handler who can’t defend anyone. It was a mistake to sign him. The Cavs best bet to improve is to try to package our pick with Channing Frye for a team that needs shooting. FWIW, I wouldn’t trade… Read more »
I don’t see how any other team would be interested in Shump, so how can we get rid of him but keep RJ?
Zizic is going to be a big surprise for many ;)
The only guys we have who do dumb things consistently are Green, Shump, & Felder. Of course you know Lue told everyone to “be aggressive” so it is more on the coach in my view.