Recap: Atlanta 117, Cleveland 115 (or, against the dogs, take the spread)
2017-11-05If I were a gambling man, I’d bet that any weaker team that plays the Cleveland Cavaliers would beat the spread against them. It’s happened constantly during the last three-plus seasons, and today was no exception. The Atlanta Hawks were 1-8 coming into this afternoon’s game against the Cavaliers, and were missing several rotation players. Naturally, they came into Cleveland and handed the Cavaliers their sixth loss in ten games.
First Quarter: Hawks coach Mike Budenholzer said in the pregame coach’s interview that his team wanted to try to get out and run against the Cavaliers, but you didn’t see that early. Both teams did a nice job of moving the ball early, although only the Hawks kept that up. Derrick Rose was particularly aggressive, but not at all effective. The Cavaliers’ defensive effort was terrible early, as Jae Crowder had to routinely help of Luke Babbitt, who made the Cavs pay with a pair of corner threes. As is their habit, the Cavaliers took after James, who was definitely in “chill mode” early, settling for jumpers and showing little effort on defense. They continuously sent the Hawks to the line, and were being out-hustled for 50/50 balls. Before you knew it, the Cavs were down 16 points to the 1-8 Hawks. Dwyane Wade came in and gave the Cavaliers a boost by scoring eight quick points, but the poor defense remained, and the Hawks led 37-28 after one quarter.
Second Quarter: Wade continued his hot start, but the Cavaliers continued their poor defensive effort to keep the Hawks out front. Kyle Korver also missed his first three attempts from deep to start the quarter, but the Cavs did show solid hustle to get the offensive rebound and score on two of them. The Cavaliers improved their defensive effort to start the quarter and pull within five, but went cold from the floor to keep the Hawks ahead. In particular, Kyle Korver and Cedi Osman brought strong defensive effort during their time on the floor. Wade continued to attack, scoring 11 points in the first seven minutes of the quarter to pull the Cavaliers to within one. Unfortunately, the rest of the team remained ice cold, and the Hawks began to attack the basket to pull away again. Derrick Rose was particularly awful, with a pair of turnovers to go along with some bad shots and terrible defense. The Cavs let some questionable calls get to them, as their defensive effort took another nosedive and the Hawks regained their nine-point lead to go ahead 54-45 at the half.
Third Quarter: It’d be great to say the Cavs came out with some fire in the second half, but nothing could be further from the truth. The Hawks continued to move the ball and get whatever they wanted. On the defensive end, they sagged off the other starters, giving LeBron little room to work. As a result, Lue brought Channing Frye into the game, and James immediately scored four quick points off drives to the basket. Unfortunately, Dennis Schroder continued to absolutely eviscerate Derrick Rose, going on an 11-3 run in a little over two minutes to put the Hawks back up by double digits. At this point, Fred McLeod and Austin Carr were also eviscerating the Cavs, and rightfully so. James and Wade began to attack the rim, but the defense was so poor, they weren’t able to cut the deficit. As the Hawks still led 91-78.
Fourth Quarter: Lue went to Osman and Ante Zizic for some energy, but the Hawks began to pull away as boos began to fill the Quicken Loans Arena. The Cavs went ice cold to start the quarter, and you could soon see that the team wasn’t interested in giving any effort when their shots weren’t falling. While Korver found his shot after struggling for three quarters, and the team began to exert actual effort as it closed the gap, but it was too little too late. The Hawks nearly beat themselves, but held off the Cavs’ rally to win by a final score of 117-115.
Things I Noticed
The Cavalier’s lack of effort makes them extremely difficult to watch. They hold victories over the Celtics, Bucks, and Wizards, all likely playoff teams, but can’t be bothered to put any effort into games against the likes of the Hawks, Nets, or Knicks. We can say that it doesn’t matter all we want, but as a fan, to watch this poor of an effort more nights than not is infuriating. Most sports fans can accept if their team isn’t particularly talented, but poor effort is never excusable.
While one can point to this being a flawed team, the fact that they can rally late to make seemingly every game close shows that they aren’t playing with great effort to start most games.
It’s doubtful this team can be great—or even good—defensively, they have too many poor individual defenders. Still, they have a lot of smart players who should be able to execute enough for the team to be passable on that end. Of course, execution takes effort, and the Cavaliers aren’t interested in giving that.
LeBron James is as guilty as anyone for the Cavaliers’ slow start today. It’s fairly typical for LeBron to feel a team out to begin the game, but he doesn’t need to spend the whole first quarter settling for missed jumpers and putting little effort in on defense. James shouldn’t have to carry the Cavs all the time, but the team feeds off his effort, or lack thereof.
I don’t know if JR Smith is in his own head, or completely unfocused, but he can’t play any worse than he has to start this season. It simply isn’t possible. If it doesn’t change soon, it wouldn’t be a surprise to see Smith start losing minutes.
The last few years, the Cavaliers have covered for poor defense by shooting their way to wins. They still have the players to do that, but they will need to make some tough lineup choices. to get those lineups on the floor.
John Collins looks like a pretty good player. If nothing else, the Hawks have some intriguing young talent. They’re also willing to play hard, an example the Cavaliers should try to follow.
Derrick Rose needs to be an extremely efficient finisher on his drives to be a plus player. As good as his drives look in terms of highlights, they don’t outweigh the fact that he can’t shoot, doesn’t pass, and is a poor defender. Rose can be a weapon in certain situations, particularly when the Cavaliers are in the bonus, but right now it’s one good game for every two bad ones (or in today’s case, a horrific one), which means he isn’t worth a rotation spot when Isaiah Thomas is healthy and Wade is coming off the bench.
The Cavs host the Bucks Tuesday night. The Bucks are supposed to be good, so maybe the Cavs will try for the entire game. Who knows.
Bad night for Dan and Corby – Boston wins again, and Nets are going to beat the Suns.
Grow up.
If you don’t like it, don’t read.
Are you and Arch in Middle School?
Winter ‘Of Corby’ is Coming!
meanwhile…draymond getting bullied and calling a heat player a f***ing pu**y on television lol
Stay Classy Draymond.
Celtics-Cavs will be an awesome 1-8 matchup in the playoffs. (Cavs will tank from 7th to 8th to avoid the Wizards.)
Naturally!
JUST READ THE “BELOVED ” LAVAR BALL’S COMMENTS ABOUT LONZO’S PLAYING TIME —–WOW WOULDN’T THAT BE A “CIRCUS ” IF LEBRON ENDS UP WITH THE LAKERS NEXT YEAR —AM SURE LEBRON IS SMART ENOUGH TO STAY AWAY FROM THAT “TOXIN “
Oh man Lebron vs lavar would be so much drama…
The sky is not falling. The Cavs are going to be OK. TT is hurt. IT is hurt. Shump is hurt. I think everyone is tired…3 years of Finals runs will do that. It’s inevitable. IT return will be a literal jolt…like mid season player additions have been the last few years. His motor will bring new life to the offense and speed everything up. KLove and JR both play better when playing fast, less in think heir heads. The defense will come around. Plus…we have a high draft pick for next year. Either way, good things are to come.… Read more »
How can the Browns increase their buffoon level, you ask?
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21317473/sabotage-aj-mccarron-trade-cleveland-browns
I WAS THINKING ALONG THOSE SAME LINES –JRL—WAS HOPING NOT —BUT ??—YOU KNOW WHOSE SIDE LEBRON IS GOING TO TAKE– ( SWISH KNOWS THIS ALSO- WHICH IS WHY HE MIGHT BE IN HIS BIG TIME “FUNK “—BEFORE DWADE ARRIVED LEBRON ALWAYS HAD HIS BACK )——ALL I CAN THINK— IS DO WE MISS KYRIE THAT MUCH—-GRANTED WE REALLY WON’T KNOW UNTIL I.T. RETURNS / WHICH CAN’T BE SOON ENOUGH—BUT HEY DON’T RUSH IT !!!
JR was equally bad last year reg season before playing well in playoffs. I guess whole Cavs team take on Lebron’s persona of not caring for reg season and playing only at 70%. The problem is 70% of Lebron is still all star, while others relegated to non nba players.
HaHa. Good observation.
With the current situation with Wade calling out the starters, do you guys think it’s more to do with JR?
Considering Wade took JR’s starting spot at the beginning of the season and how JR apparently responded in frustration(Can we say anger?), now that JR is starting but quite possibly playing the worst basketball of his career, is Wade singling him out?
I know he didn’t say specifically JR, but I do think there’s some discomfort between the two of them.
Thoughts?
It’s probably directed JR, Rose, Love, and even LeBron. None of those guys have given consistent effort. Not even Crowder really. Wade is the one guy on that team who can basically tell lbj if he was playing like garbage and not piss him off. So I expect it was directed at all of them. Wade has definitely loafed at times too this season.
Everyone get their shots in now. Cavs will be great when it matters in 5-6 months
They may be…if they change their roster…
The Cavs are one Boston (or Wiz) trade away from not making it out of the East. If Ainge can trade for PG, Boogie or someone like that by mid-season, LeBron and his “cLueless clan” will be watching the finals from home.
Oh, and that’s still perceiving they’ll even manage to get their sh!t together. Which if they don’t, they won’t make it past the first round of the playoffs.
I’m not saying this is going to happen but for precision sake, at the going rate, the Cavs won’t even make the playoffs.
I was expecting LeBron and IT to be enough for a 6th or lower seed.
If they are capable of playing NBA defense for 36-40 minutes a game, probably yes. That remains to be seen with this roster.
You might be right. I hope so.
Good to see another “Glass half full” comment.
Only 115 days until Spring Training…
If the Cavs can beat and/or blow out the Bucks and Rockets, I might buy into the theory that they only show up for nationally televised games/worthy opponents.
LeBron will need to go for 65+
https://twitter.com/DwyaneWade/status/927378884101844992
Smh…
You sure you want to repost that?
YES LEBRON COVERS UP ALOT —BUT IN SOME CASES HE ADDS TO IT ….JUST SAYING —-YOU HAVE TO ADJUST TO WHO LEBRON IS AND THE DRAMA THAT COMES WITH HIM—NOT SURE IF KLOVE STILL HAS ADJUSTED TO THAT
As “incompetent” as the Cavs organization has been they have as many championships as the “competent” Celtics organization in the last 30 years.
And more Finals appearance too! Cavs have 4 to the Celtics’ 2 in the last 30 years.
Wonder when the shine will wear off with Kyrie and Boston…cuz you know it’s going to happen. They are probably safe as long as they are winning, and Kyrie is the biggest ‘star’ on the team…
HARDEN MIGHT GO FOR 60 AGAINST THE CAVS ———-MIGHT AS WELLL CALL BACK “GUMMY BEAR ” HE WOULD FIT RIGHT IN WITH THIS _” NO DEFENSE ” TEAM
https://twitter.com/Kl11A/status/927350887135285249
The franchise that got him a ring? Hmm, interesting. He really has taken the art of trollers to the next level. He sounds like a jilted lover.
Well both can be true.
He just keeps coming out as a big Deal.
Deal wasn’t the word I was going for there…
Pretty sure I know the word…
Does it rhyme with Jeff Green shooting “Bricks”?
LoL.
Love the regulars here ;)
By gosh, you’ve nailed it.
He is a child. A man boy with the social maturity of a 13 year old kid. That much is clear now.
If anything this is more of a shot at Dan Gilbert.
There are also a lot of incompetent organizations out there. LeBron can cover up a lot of these issues.
Irving obviously needs to just shut up given he got traded as he wanted. But an owner who doesn’t resign a competent GM just as the off season trading frenzy is occurring certainly doesn’t fit the description of competent. Cavsdan started our current descent by not resigning Griffin, and usurping more power from the GM as reported by Jason Lloyd. Who know what trades could have been done by DG?
I also wonder had Griffin been retained maybe he squashes the issues Irving had. He’s certainly not signing bench warmer Calderon and cutting RJ.
Really KI should just STFU. He constantly makes a fool of himself.
Agree with MikeO.
Kyrie will be talking about this trade longer than anyone else…
Should have traded him to the Suns…
Well let’s see..during the last three years, the incompetent Cavs gave him the platform to win a championship, 3 Finals appearances. It was under the non-intellectual coach David Blatt that he had 57 and 55 point scoring outbursts on his way to 3rd Team All NBA, his only All NBA citation ever in his 6 years of playing. It was under his other non-intellectual coach Ty Lue that he had his career highs in scoring, shots taken , efficiency last year. Thus far Kyrie is averaging 5.6 assists as the Celtics’ primary ball handler/facilitator compare to his 5.8 assists as… Read more »
TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH ( IT IS WRITTEN IN KJG) THAT THE ” UNAMED PLAYER ” LEBRON WAS REFERRING TO WAS KLOVE——CAN’T WAIT FOR THE MEDIA TO RUN WITH THIS—–IF I AM KLOVE —ALL THE SH-T THAT HE HAS BEEN THRU HERE / CONSTANTLY BEING ” THE WHIPPING BOY “— I WOULD WANT OUT ALSO ——–MAYBE THERE IS MORE TO KYRIE’S DEMAND THAT WE KNOW ABOUT
I know he’s earned the right, but a little hypocritical to call someone out for effort level when LeBron plays at 60% for 80% of the regular season…
LeBron’s 60% is better than most players 110%, and he has played near the most minutes ever. And the Commish has ruled that he play all the big games. It is not obvious that he should be expected to be playing harder all the time.
ANONYMOUS— AGREE CAVS HAVE WON BEFORE DESPITE “CLUELESS AND HIS MIDGET DFENSIVE WIZARD “— JUST CAN’T SEE ANY TRADES THAT ARE GOING TO PUT US ” OVER THE TOP ” TO BE ABLE TO EVEN REACH THE FINALS —-REALITY / THE TRUTH HURTS ——I AM ACEPTING ALREADY THAT WE WIL NOT MAKE IT TO THE FINALS / LEBRON LEAVING /—–BUT I WILL NOT ACCEPT THE PLAYERS ON THIS ROSTER NOT GIVING 100 % EVERY GAME —-THE FANS DESERVE TO SEE BETTER —AGAIN I CAN ACCEPT LOSING —-I CANNOT ACCEPT LOSERS !!!——–ARCH YOU GIVE A VERY GOOD EVALUATION OF THE ROLES… Read more »
Arch coaching?
DWade calling out starters for not doing their share and leaving it to the bench unit to bail them out every time.
Truth is that only 2 guys on the team are NBA starters at this point. LeBron James and Kevin Love. Everyone else can only play reasonably well when going against the 2nd or 3rd teamers on the opposing team.
Crowder, DWade, and JR could be starters if they would get in game shape and their shots working. TT and IT could be, too once they heal up.
In theory Crowder and JR are starters too, but with JR struggling to spread the floor, he should probably be with the bench mob. Rose is not a starter. I think JR really benefited playing next to Kyrie. Rose has made him worse. Hopefully IT can help. Lue should start Korver, bring Cedi off the bench and sit JR for a couple games maybe?
Good point about JR and Kyrie. Rose is who I thought he was.
In other news, Porzingis is better than I thought he would be at this stage. Only weakness for him is rebounding. Too bad he is likely untouchable now for the Knicks.
Jeff Van Gundy. Lue is awful. No accountability.
Yesterday Lue said yesterday he isn’t a “rah rah” coach, however whatever his approach, the team clearly isn’t listening. I am coming to the conclusion that the Cavs have won despite Lue and not so much because of him.
Didn’t catch the game….never realized Cavs were playing, but per this recap sounds like it was ‘delightful’. It appears the issues with team are effort related and Wade was first Cav to call team out, especially starters, which includes Lebron. Interesting that occurred, but effort at least is easier to adjust, compared to lack of talent. JR is a hot mess even since he was moved to bench, I’m wondering how long Lebron/Lue continue with is presence. Cant be helping the team in anyway. Also this season, this Cavs team has beat contenders and lost to crap teams. Weird season… Read more »
LeBron also managed to pass the buck on effort, further calling out other players.
He sort of earned it though still scoring 26 and coming off 57.
This season is going to rest on 5’8″ shoulders. A healthy IT will change everything. A big part of the Cavs defensive woes are a matter of their lack of offensive efficiency. Opposing teams only need to pack the lane expending little energy and setting them up to rebound and get out o the break. They’re daring Cleveland to shoot from the perimeter which we’ve been abysmal at so far and rendering Rose’s drives and Crowder’s cuts to the basket moot. Until JR can prove a threat from 3 and IT is back, Korver needs to start. He’s earned it… Read more »
If you think this team’s defensive issues are limited to making shots and preventing runouts off of rebounds, you haven’t been paying any attention to the pick and roll school yard bulls*** that has been easily beating the Cavs every game.
The most telling awful stat to me, and there are many to choose from, is the two 37 pt quarters the Cavs surrendered. This to a team that hadn’t scored more than 28 in any one quarter all year. This to a 1-8 team playing mostly developmental players. This to a team the Cavs were playing at home and not a back to back. Crowder, Love, Rose and JR were beyond terrible last night, and James was too passive in the first quarter when we went down an unbelievable 16 pts to this weak Hawks roster. Derrick Rose was a… Read more »
Welp.
https://247sports.com/nba/cleveland-cavaliers/Bolt/Kevin-Love-being-evaluated-at-the-hospital-110030605
I think I read he was released a few hours later.
It’s so frustrating to see Derrick Rose go for kamikaze on many occasions where there are more better and / or efficient player than him, with him, on the floor. Same goes for Wade despite his good game. Just like Arch said, both of them are fools gold.
Rose and his 10% assist rate are going for a big contract…pretty predictable. He won’t be quite as bad on 2nd unit…
Defining roles: – Derrick Rose is not the second best player in this team. He might be the 5th. His role should probably be more limited. Does Rose know this or does Rose only know one role? How to play like he WAS the MVP in 2010? – Jeff Green is not a 3 point shooter. He’s best at cutting and playing focused defense. He should probably be shooting as many 3s as Timofey Mozgov. – Shump… is a lost cause. – Love is the second best player in this team and should be the focus of the offense many… Read more »
So agree on this.
The fear I had with Rose was his sense of reality, lack thereof.
I’ve seen him close. He’s the same player since high school. He improved in terms of maximizing his strengths but never on the part where he’s weak or can be effective when his option 1 isn’t working.
So, Celtics w/ Kyrie are rolling (Hayward still out), Cavs are collapsing. Advantage Kyrie i guess.
Yeah, for sure. But it’s a long season.
I was wondering whether Kyrie might have been the bad apple on the team. Looks like he wasn’t.
I wonder if the smart Vegas people had the Cavs winning or losing vs the Hawks tonight?
Arch, since you have demonstrated the Cavs are the worst in the world, why don’t you go to Vegas can clean out all the sports books who aren’t as smart.
Raoul, since you seem to think the Cavs are the greatest thing since the Summer of Corby, why don’t you empty your bank account and put everything on the Cavs?
Don’t recall saying that.
Anyone can see the Cavs have a lot of problems. However, historically, a lot of old teams come out near the top at the end, so I will try not to panic and instead wait and see.
I do think the ongoing ChickenLittlePoolooza is a bit much.
Oh so you don’t like when people put words in your mouth?
Derrick Rose showing again tonight that he’s fools gold.
Time to bench JR and play Cedi.
This has been a horrible offseason and a horrible regular season. I hope it gets better soon but I don’t see it happening. I see this team being .500 to start the new year. And the Winter of Corby clenching to that Brooklyn pick.
16. The Cavs have allowed at least 30 points defensively in 18 of their 40 quarters this season, including 17 of their past 32 — Lloyd
12. The Cavs’ pick-and-roll coverages are a disaster. Teams can run the same plays over and over and score with ease. And a team that ranked second last season in 3-point percentage has plummeted to 24th this year. — Lloyd
What is most disturbing about that is the pick and roll coverage problems is more about personnel than anything. We have guys that just are going to be impossibly exposed. It is what it is. Rose is not fighting through screens anytime in the next millennium. Love is not going to be able to help and recover without dropping back and giving a ton of space. Wade isn’t as quick as he used to be. IT is a mismatch waiting to happen. We can fix some of the transition issues which hopefully won’t cause them to be gassed at the… Read more »
Did you say personnel issues? That can’t be with an owner pretending to be the GM. Not possible /s
To be fair, Rose is probably no worse than Kyrie defending the pick and roll, Love was here, and Wade at least might try to fight over top though I don’t expect much anymore. Maybe Green can play better defense than he ever has before. He has the tools, but has never had the will. Maybe the possibility of going to the finals might change that?
They need to start defining roles and developing plays. This inefficient pick up basketball is burning my eyes.
Inefficient pick up basketball. Perfectly summarized.
The offense I expect to get better. The defense probably will. How much is the question.
I’ve seen better performances at the gym… At least those guys bust their a**.
10. Want more? The Cavs now have the league’s worst defensive rating at 111.7. The starters’ defensive rating is a ghastly 115.7. The only starters with a worse defensive rating are the 1-10 Mavericks. — Jason Lloyd
This team is just living in reputation that it can bring it once really needed.
In this era, you need to be elite on both sides to be a champion. None of which that this team has shown in more than 2 games. Can we turn this around? Sure, but it will be faux success. With the same players and because majority of the players are defensive liabilities, we will be easily gassed. I guarantee you a 2nd round exit is etched in stone.
Lotta people said that about two years ago.
https://twitter.com/JasonLloydNBA/status/927302914728656896
GLAD WADE CALLED OUT THE STARTERS –HE DIDN’T COME HERE ( ALBEIT HIS BANNNA BOAT BUDDY LEBRON IS HERE ) BUT WADE IS A WINNER —HE DEPLORES LOSING —GOOD FOR HIM—” KEEP BARKING DWADE —WE GOT YOUR BACK “———YEAH HAVE SAID IT BEFORE THE LAST 4 YRS THE GAME HAS EVOLVED PAST LOVE’S SKILLS—IT HAS BECOME MUCH MORE ATHELETIC WHICH KEVIN LACKS IN—-STILL I WOULDN’T GIVE HIM AWAY——I WILL CONTINUE TO BE A SUPPORTER OF KLOVE —BUT HE HAS BEEN STRUGGLING
DASPEC90—HOPE WE CAN BE ” ALL IN ” WITH YOU ON TUES FOR THE WIN
Yeah, I mean, I think it was you who came up with the idea of using the number of assists (23?) as a metric for whether the Cavs would win. That’s worked pretty well. But maybe Lebron is like “Hey, let’s have some fun here and only play when the cameras are on.”
Cavs need to trade Love. They need defense and athleticism.
They need to trade almost everyone on the team, then.
YES THAT WAS MY MOTHER’S BAKERY THERE WAS MANY PICTURES ON FACEBOOK—-BROUGHT BACK SEVERAL FOND MEMORIES —SOME VERY TOUGHTFUL / KIND WORDS ABOUT THE BAKERY AND MY MOTHER –VERY APPRECIATIVE TO ALL—–THANK YOU U-DOG
As someone who has always been too cheap to get NBA League Pass, I am very attuned to the nationally-televised Cavs schedule. Here is my suggestion for you distressed Cavs fans: only watch the nationally televised games. The Cavs are 4-0 when on ESPN, TNT or NBATv. I have observed the Cavs doing nothing other than pounding other teams this year. I have no idea what y’all are complaining about! Prediction for Tuesday night against the Bucks: Cavs win! (NBATv)
Lol. Nice piece of info. Hopefully they show up Tuesday. So if they win their 33 some odd nationally televised games they will minimally be at 37 wins. Say they win 15 of the remaining 41 non-national games and we are at 52 wins. Should be alright then.
Lol this is great advice. Except Christmas. Do NOT watch the Christmas game.
Nomad – They tore down Meeks Bakery this week. People are heartbroken.
SOUNDS VERY SIMILAR TO A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK IN PORTLAND WHEN THE PLAYERS ” ADMITTEDLY ” LAID DOWN —NO EFFORT —NO BLAAT A COUPLE DAYS LATER –WE SHALL SEE
You call the end of the game “laying down”?
The Cavs are playing plenty bad. This appears to have caused a lot of commenters to have lost sight of reality.
I would have to agree it was not like the Portland game. They tried for parts of this game and in others didn’t try as much. Even when they did try for parts, they still seemed to have trouble in guarding some of the Hawks perimeter players.
Also I would describe their play as more than bad, more like disturbingly awful. Even in games they try in, they aren’t stopping teams, and the last game they won required an effort from LBJ that is probably unlikely to happen again anytime soon. I am basing my views on what I have seen on the court and the personnel they have. They have not been great when they have tried for portions of games either and I think they have tried for portions of most of their games to no avail. They came back in the fourth, but tried… Read more »
You mean the 3 minutes they tried when Korver knocked down some shots? Yes. They laid down. They didn’t try to stay in front of anyone on D. LeBron, Rose, and Wade all consistently stood there as their man either drove or cut right by them. No defense can play well with that turnstile effort
Utter garbage. It feels like they’re protesting or something. Are they trying to get lue fired?
APOLOGIZE IF I AM OUT OF CONTEXT HERE —REALIZE THIS IS THE CAVS BLOG —-BUT MY HEART / PRAYERS / HOPE GO TO THE PEOPLE IN SUTHERLAND SPRINGS TEXAS !!!
True that.
Sounds like Schroeder would welcome trade to Cavs.
‘”It’s a special place to play and everyone was excited to compete against these guys,” Schroder said.
I don’t think we have any pieces they would take for him
THE KEY WORD IS FOR AT LEAST 3 QTRS—GIVE THE ENERGY—HEY A GREAT IDEA —WHY NOT THE ENTIRE GAME —-THINK IT COULD BE WHEN ALL ARE HEALTHY AND READY TO ” GO AT IT ” —108—-I JUST DON’T KNOW IF WE HAVE THE ATHLETE’S TO BE A GOOD / HELL AVG DEFENSIVE TEAM——-THIS IS WHAT IS AGRREVATING TO FRED / A.C/. ALL HERE AT CTB—THE LACK OF EFFORT —-LEBRON SAID IN POSTGAME “THERE ARE A FEW WHO AREN’T GIVING EFFORT / WON’T CALL THEM OUT”—-TY SAYS EVEN THOUGH THERE MIGHT BE SOME PLAYERS GUILTY OF THIS WE HAVE TO ”… Read more »
3 quarters just seemed more realistic to me for this team’s track record. What does “respect them” even mean in this context? Does it mean he has no power to call guys out without losing the team? Is he talking about Lebron or Wade? Those are the only two guys I would think he might be hesitant to upset. And I agree I am worried their defensive ability will just be limited to being bad based off their age, their guys who are just simply slow, and their athletes who have never been good defensive players. Certainly effort will help,… Read more »
I guess Lue was referring to respecting opponents so that makes sense. I guess Wade also called out the starters effort pretty bluntly which I think is fantastic.
I am curious what people think this team’s ceiling is defensively. Say all their personnel try for three quarters, can they stop an actual good offensive team from putting up north of 120? I don’t think even in the eastern playoffs we will see effort for more than 36 minutes of any game as I think that is just this team’s MO. Even in last year’s playoffs they didn’t always put together 48 minutes of passable defense. For instance, the Pacers O rating against us was 115.5, the Raptors were worse at 104.5. And Boston’s was 107 basically without IT… Read more »
Replace two rotation players and coach, then you are in business.
I think both of those are not all that likely. Only way I see the former is the Brooklyn pick which Gilbert appears to be unwilling to move no matter what.
John, get a grip. You have no idea what Gilbert’s plans for the pick are, or if Gilbert is even involved.
Windhorst said Gilbert had some words with a few media members off the record just prior to the season, and he wasn’t going to quote anything, but that he’d be very surprised if the pick was traded.
Yeah that’s been pretty well established. The Kool Aide drinkers might try to tell you otherwise tho.
Raoul I only know what has been reported. Mike is correct and that is what I was basing that statement on. I trust Windhorst more than any other source when it comes to cavs and he basically made it pretty clear that Gilbert wasn’t likely to move the pick. If there is another source contradicting that statement I would love to hear it. As of now the only information coming out to my knowledge is the cavs will much more likely keep the pick than trade it.
I am not disagreeing with you. Giving it away due to panic is dumb. You are one of the few here that has not fallen into a panic pandemic.
Anyone would be surprised, but it is a dumb idea.
Its merit will depend on whether James gets frustrated enough to want more help, whether they think they have any shot at retaining him, whether they think trading the pick without his word he would come back is a worthwhile gamble, and whether there is anybody they could get with it that they think will truly make enough of a difference for them to feel they have a shot at the Warriors. I don’t see a guy available right now that makes that big of a difference. Additionally, I would rather keep the pick as insurance. However, if they feel… Read more »