Recap: Celtics 102, Cavs 88 (or, old men get tired)
2018-01-04Fresh off a fairly impressive win over the Portland Trailblazers that ended a three-game losing streak, the Cleveland Cavaliers headed to Boston to take on the Eastern Conference-leading Celtics for their second game in two nights. These two teams have engaged in a rather heated (and one-sided) rivalry over the past few seasons, and the trade of Kyrie Irving to Boston for Isaiah Thomas, Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic, and the Brooklyn Nets’ 2017 first round pick has only added fuel to that fire. Jackie MacMullan’s excellent piece detailing Irving’s perspective on his split from the Cavaliers lit up the airwaves all day Wednesday in anticipation of this matchup between two of the best teams in the Eastern Conference.
1st Quarter
Despite their rivalry, the Cavaliers and Celtics are polar opposites in their approaches to success. The Cavaliers try to outscore every opponent and play little defense, while the Celtics rely on an excellent defense to carry a middling offense led by Irving. Both teams seemed a bit tentative in the early going and both were missing some fairly open shots. The Cavs were particularly cold from three until J.R. Smith connected. The pace began to quicken as both teams traded baskets and the lead throughout the first six minutes of the quarter. Kevin Love was ice cold, missing his first seven shots as the Celtics began to build a lead. The Cavaliers allowed the Celtics to get several offensive rebounds and missed a couple of bunnies at the rim before Tyronn Lue called a time out with a disgusted look on his face. At this point, the Cavaliers looked like what they were, a team that had played the night before, while the Celtics looked like a team that hadn’t played since New Year’s Eve (they hadn’t). The Cavs shot 29% from the quarter (with LeBron James making four of his five shots) and a three at the buzzer by Terry Rozier gave the Celtics a 32-21 lead as time expired.
2nd Quarter
Things didn’t look any better to start the second quarter. Lue started with a lineup including Dwyane Wade, Tristan Thompson, Jeff Green, and Cedi Osman, which simply didn’t have enough shooting to be effective. Lue quickly adjusted, and the Cavaliers began to show more energy on both ends as they started to cut into the Celtics’ lead to five. Kyle Korver joined LeBron as Cavaliers who were able to make shots, but the rest of the team stayed ice cold from the field. This poor shooting, combined with inconsistent defense and timely turnovers, allowed the Celtics to push their lead back to 11 before a J.R. Smith three sent both teams to the locker room with the Celtics leading 55-47 at the half. Love, Crowder, Green, Wade, and Thompson combined to shoot 3-of-22 in the half, and it was a miracle the Cavaliers were only down eight. Love also seemingly sprained his ankle at the end of the half, but would return to start the third quarter.
3rd Quarter
Kevin Love finally got on the board with a layup to start the second half, but the Celtics went on an 15-2 run behind a barrage of threes to push their lead to 18. Jayson Tatum, Al Horford, and Jaylen Brown all got in on the action, and the game began to slip away from the Cavaliers. They looked tired on offense, and put no effort on defense. It seemed like for every shot the Cavaliers made, the Celtics would make two. At one point, that was literally true, as the Celtics were outscoring the Cavaliers 20-10 in the first six minutes of the quarter and led by 20. The Cavs had no ball movement, and LeBron began to try to do everything himself, which only made matters worse as the Celtics loaded up against him defensively and forced him to miss some ugly shots. The Cavaliers continued to struggle with finishing at the rim, but the Celtics finally began missing some shots, and were unable to turn the game into a total blowout. A three by Kyle Korver brought the Cavaliers to within 11, but Jaylen Brown responded with a pair of dunks as the Celtics led 81-68 heading into the final frame. Love tried to return with two minutes left in the quarter, but pulled himself after about a minute of action as his ankle was just bothering him too much.
4th Quarter
The Celtics began the quarter on a 6-0 run to extend their lead to 19 and all but end the game. The Cavaliers didn’t score until the 8:36 mark in the quarter on a jumper by Dwyane Wade. At this point, the Cavs could barely be asked to move on either end of the court, and the Celtics pushed the lead to 21. Garbage time ensued, as the Cavaliers fell by a final score of 102-88 for their fifth loss in their last seven games. The Cavs shot just 34.8% from the field and made just eight threes, ending a franchise-record streak of 26 consecutive games with at least 10 made threes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRV0zLGRGnw
Things I Noticed
Marcus Smart and Terry Rozier aren’t very good offensive players (although Rozier is solid from deep), but tonight they absolutely destroyed the Cavaliers, combining for 35 points on 14-of-26 shooting. For the Cavaliers to get blown out on a night when Kyrie Irving scores 11 points on 14 shots tells you all you need to know about how ugly this game was.
I wrote a piece defending J.R. Smith a few days ago, but his defense is a real problem. While he shot the ball well (4-of-6, 2-of-3 from deep), he isn’t a prolific enough offensive player to make up for his poor defense. This is compounded by the fact that his role is to guard the oppositions best scoring guard. Smith’s defense was never quite as good as people have said, but he needs to at least be competent on that end considering the importance of his role there. Getting torched by the likes of Smart and Rozier just won’t cut it.
J.R. isn’t the only player whose defense is a problem. Far too often, the Cavaliers fail to rotate on defense or simply watch an opposing player take a wide open three instead of attempting to close out. While they don’t have the personnel to be a great defensive team, the Cavaliers have shown in small stretches that they can be competent on that end. They need to work on building solid defensive habits if they want to reach their full potential.
Tristan Thompson is starting to look like Tristan Thompson again. Thompson was one of the few Cavaliers who looked active on both ends, as he finished with a double-double of 10 points and 10 rebounds. His plus/minus of -6 in 29 minutes isn’t great, but he’s no more at fault for that than any other player on the team. Thompson has received more criticism than he deserves lately, and it’s a shame that some fans can’t appreciate the effort he brings every night.
Jose Calderon has given the Cavaliers more than anyone expected, but the impending upgrade from Calderon to Isaiah Thomas cannot be overstated. The Cavaliers will be going from a borderline second-string point guard who looked like he was on his way out of the league to a perennial All-Star and one of the best scorers in the league. With Smith shooting so much less, the Cavaliers are getting almost no offensive production out of their starting backcourt. When Thomas replaces Calderon in the starting lineup, that will change in a big way.
Cavs fans be like … pic.twitter.com/B3avGNqeXd
— Dave McMenamin (@mcten) January 4, 2018
While Dave’s comment is more than a little tongue-in-cheek, that doesn’t mean it isn’t true. The Cavaliers are an older team that is currently figuring out their rotation after having Thompson and Thomas return from injury. The Celtics are a talented young team that plays hard and is very well coached. They deserve the success they’ve had. That being said, a win at home in January on three days rest against a team that played the night before and has been on the road for most of the past two weeks doesn’t prove much, especially when the other team has a notorious on/off switch in the regular season.
Talking to Kevin in locker room Postgame, he says there is no concern regarding playing Saturday in Orlando (given time and opportunity from now until Saturday to get treatment & rest)
Also: IT, Ty says, will be back in action vs Orlando Saturday. #Cavs
— Allie Clifton (@RealAClifton) January 4, 2018
The Cavaliers are back in action Saturday against the Orlando Magic. Hopefully the entire rotation is healthy. Until then, have a safe and happy new year.
Can’t be understated how garbage Wade was in the fourth.
It’s so predictable. It’s like he is 3 inches short on his layups. He gets to the basket and then Pffff . Ground Hog Day all over .
I believe the Cavs should go after Clarkson if available. JR has been struggling up late both offensively and defensively. Maybe Clarkson can reach his potential been mentor by LBJ and Co.
we won’t know the real Cavs until we see a few games with IT in the lineup and possibly Rose/Shump back and team is injury free. Depends on what Lue does with rotations but i will have to see how the team is after few games. i do think Lue is sticking with TT to get him reps and build a comfort level. maybe eventually he will figure it out that Frye was more helpful, maybe Wade or Bron will speak up, or this is being done so TT is trade bait over the next month or so. As we’ve… Read more »
This is so frustrating to talk trades again. There’s no excuse if a couple of these players just play with effort instead of just going through the motions. As long as Lue doesn’t hold them accountable, we will see more games like this unfortunately. All this talent and here we are again. Cavs are their own worst enemy . No sympathy from our competition either; just head scratches and chuckles.
You are right about the trades talk but I bet most Rockets, Spurs and other top contenders teams are talking about possible trades too. All teams are trying to match the Warriors big 4 but almost none can’t.
Don’t forget that the other team is also trying to win.
You guys are all right. Just venting. I expected better effort from these guys.
tt helped in 2015 chamionship with a team devoid of anything remotely talented other than james. our team wins when we have killer offense and they try their best on d , tt on a good night will help on rebounding and thats it! absolutly sabotages what our offense does at its best. cant have team ball movement with one of the guys not being able to dribble or catch or make any move with the basketball, i dont think anyone can argue with this. i dont mean hes a bad player and he does actually play with energy most… Read more »
will any teams want drose as a “throw in ” for a potential trade —on certain teams he may be of some help
We were, literally, the only team that wanted D Rose on a vet minimum contract. I don’t think you could find a high school that would want him in a trade.
I bet DRose could own some High School fools…
The Cavs should make a trade now. The Cavs need a consistent shooting guard that can play decent defense and playmake well too.
I guess we all agree that the Cavs need to make trade including any combination of the following players :
TT, Shump and anyone who can’t hit a jumpshot for his life lol.
Just read about trading Frye and Shump for DeAndre or Jordan Clarkson. I would prefer to trade. That Jordan Clarkson could be a good fit….. I think. ??
*I would prefer to trade TT.
I have heard rumors that Lebron wants Jordan (no idea if true), so some sort of Jordan trade would not surprise me. Hope Corby doesn’t give up too much if they do that, though…
Jordan Clarkson wouldn’t be so bad either. JR hasn’t been playing well this season specially on defense.
True…not sure Clarkson is a plus on defense, but probably better than what JR has been doing this year.
Not sure you can get Jordan without Love or Nets pick being involved in the trade
I wouldn’t include KLove in a trade for Jordan. DeAndre will become unplayable against the Warriors anyways. I would trade TT for Jordan due to the fact that TT hasn’t improved at all and as of today DeAndre is way better. But I also believe the Clips are not going to trade DeAndre for TT and Shump either.
I believe the Cavs should go after Clarkson if available. JR has been struggling up late both offensively and defensively. Maybe Clarkson can reach his potential been mentor by LBJ and Co.
Not Frye. No way need his shooting. It won’t happen but a deal with TT, shump, and some other piece, excluding love would be better.
JRL that is what I was thinking – IF- shump can play under control / fit his role —believe his youth / athleticism / defense ( when he is focused ) might reduce swish’s minutes ———–IS THERE ANY HOPE AT ALL THAT DROSE CAN HELP THIS TEAM
I like Rose the player, I think a healthy/focused Rose can help any team. Unfortunately I don’t think we’ll have that player here.
Rose and Shump would look great in Brooklyn uniforms.
They really would…imagine them as the starting back court. Gettin’ back to fun again!
I personally have no hope Rose can really help. He could as a bench player if he were a real PG (look at Calderon…he’s not good, but he can play ball handler as long as other playmakers are on the floor), but I don’t believe he can play anything but inefficient scoring guard, and he can’t do that at the NBA level.
cold / wintery day here in northern ohio/ bored—-just looked at several 2018 MOCK DRAFTS —-most have cavs at 8th spot —picking Collin Sexton —or Carter from duke——-most have Celts at 4th spot picking Ayton of Arizona —ouch !!—–just something to throw out there —–nets need to “lose and lose their confidence “—that draft pick may not look as good as it did last august
Sexton could be a good pick.
will take a lot of ‘grief ” for even bringing this up—but if swish doesn’t improve (especially on the “d”)—does shump replace him / become more valuable when he returns —-also good grief that I even mention drose being important role player
Wow… Interesting.
I think it has to be talked about. With JR not playing anywhere to his potential, you must ask, “What can we do to get better?”
Is a healthy, in control of his game (position within the unit) Shump better than a 50% JR? Probably. Do you go for it? Man, that’s a hard one.
Honestly, if Shump can do what Green has done – limit their ambition to focus on their strengths – I’d welcome him back. The very fact that Green appears to have done this I can only assume means Lue / management has communicated this effectively to him. This doesn’t appear to have happened to date with Shump, who still has the ambition of dribble penetration & knocking down contested threes. I think we’ve seen enough to date to not give JR the benefit of the doubt. Because we know what happens when he finally gets rolling.
The problem I have with Shump is that even when playing within his means on offense, his team defense is just junk. To me, team defense is just a matter of hard work and studying. You just have to learn where to be and drill it into your head over and over so the rotations become automatic. It’s why Kyle Korver is as effective as he is. He’s not athletic enough to be an individual stopper, but he doesn’t often get out of position and he pays attention to his opponents strengths and weaknesses.
Great recap, Mike (as usual)
Thanks, Tom
jb225—agree with this upcoming schedule—-we were fortunate with IT out / new players meshing to have one of the easiest schedules —–will be interesting ( hopefully not disappointing ) to see how we compete—you can expect the RAPTORS to give us a “playoff ” battle as like the celts to ” send us a message “—instill confidence in themselves —and yes ty please do NOT forget about frye on the bench—
Agreed — not much to read into this game. We were gassed from the start, hungover from IT’s big return, and the C’s were out to make a point. Still, drives me nuts that Lue doesn’t play Frye at all when KLove is having a stinker night, and then gets injured (!) — especially since Frye has shown a lot of growth in his game this year (in the post, driving) and we desperately needed more three-point shooters on a night when only Korver could knock them down. I agrees with Mike on Tristan — we DESPERATELY need his rebounding.… Read more »
“I agrees with Mike on Tristan — we DESPERATELY need his rebounding. He’s still finding his fit with the team. All the hot take haters never account for the time it takes to develop chemistry on a newly-configured squad after an injury.” — Tristan was exposed last year by the Dubs as not being able to compete against them. He can grab as many rebounds as he wants against anyone else, it doesn’t matter, he doesn’t help the Cavs beat the Dubs. I’m with you on the Frye thing – Lue sucks as a coach for not playing the people… Read more »
He undoubtedly helped beat them in 2016, was a big reason the Cavs kept it close in 2015, and even got hit stuff together later in the 2017 series.
Unfortunately a few things have transpired since then;
*Kevin Durant in.
*Kyrie out.
*TT hasn’t progressed.
*Teams know all TT can do is dunk, stop the roll to the basket and he’s useless.
*Cavs have gotten away from being a 3pt team where TT doesn’t help as much since the rebounding isn’t there.
+1 JRL. Hell, +2.
Just fyi for those interested, David Griffin is on the newest Basketball Friends pod with Haberstroh and David Thorpe. I have not listened yet, but will later today…Griff is generally a really interesting podcast guest.
This month schedule with match ups against the Raptors, Pacers, Warriors, Thunder and others will show us how good this team really is.
Beating teams like the Magic, Bulls and other below . 500 teams should be expected.
If the Cavs can go at least 3-1 against those teams then a trade must be made.
If KLove injury is not too bad and he doesn’t miss any games and with Isaiah back and the incredible depth the Cavs roster have I hope the “we are tired excuses” stop cause cause seriously the Cavs can easily go 10-12 deep.
You say tt effort was great ect. i beg to differ and i think its unreal that there are still some people that dont get this, the problem is effort aint gonna cut it for a team whos only goal is to win the championship we need actual talent on the floor at all times aka either athleticism (wade, green, potentially cedi) or sniper (kk, jr, frye,love) theres no room for a guy like tt on this team , even in games where he has an ok stat sheet he totally blocks everyone else from flourishing on a championship level.… Read more »
I’m with you. You are not going to win against the Dubs by grabbing a few more rebounds, you’ll do so by outshooting them. And no, I don’t mean count-wise but shooting percentage-wise.
A guy who has no offensive ability, other than attacking the basket for a lob, doesn’t help one bit.l, specially against a great defensive team like the Dubs.
*But he helped us before winning a championship.
Yeah well, that was before Kevin Durant, totally different team now.
Unfortunately, I agree with you guys. I love his effort, aggression, rebounding ability, etc. I just don’t think he has the offensive tools to help us beat the Dubs.
He doesn’t space the floor like Frye, nor can he score like him. He clogs the paint for Green and Wade, so they can’t cut to the basket. If he plays with the first unit, he’ll be doing the same to IT. He’s no longer a better rebounder than Love. He hasn’t developed any offense over the last 3-4 years that can be used against the Dubs. He is a slow passer while on top of the key, so he can’t even help on assists. I mean, what else must we say about him? He doesn’t fit what the team… Read more »
not only find them but more important — DEVELOP –them–this is where I think the cavs need to improve on——-JASON we need help with that NETS pick —see that “lottery ‘ pick floundering away —-they hit a buzzer shot last night to beat the timberwolves / concerned the NETS are getting their confidence back
As an organization’s front office, what can we do to prepare and find guys like Jordan Bell, Kyle Kuzma late in the draft?
Organizations like Warriors, Spurs, Thunder do it year in, year out.
The Warriors were trash for a long time. And they were close to trading Klay for Love. They’re not perfect.
No one said they are perfect. But they are really good at the draft- along with SAS, OKC, BOS. They always have youth and energy to back up their veterans.
Is all about talent recognition, we don’t seem to have it. Look at all the picks we have had since LeBron left – nothing has developed here.
Dion left and became a better player. TT is offensively handicap. KI leaves and becomes the player we which he would be here.. shoot don’t even talk about Bennet, etc etc. We don’t have the personnel that finds/develops young talent.
*wish
My grammar sucks today.
agree on T.T.— ( I too have been guilty of recently trashing him )—-if he continues this play the cavs may face the dilemma—-do we keep him or while his value / stock is up try to move him for a ‘bigger ‘ piece—–not concerned about last night 9even predicted the loss )—-let the celts ‘bask in the sun “—-media hype it up —–even the feb game — I wouldn’t put too much ‘stock ‘ into it —–need to get a “w” Saturday night / get our ‘mojo ” back ……………………damn it is cold here in northern ohio !!!!!