Recap: Cleveland 104, Orlando 103 (Or, Expectations vs Reality)
2018-01-19The Orlando Magic are a bad team. They are extremely young and don’t really have anyone to go to on the offensive end. With Vucevic and Ross injured, and Aaron Afflalo suspended, they are too reliant on an up-and-coming athletic freak in Aaron Gordon, a never quite as good as you’d hope, Evan Fournier, and a point guard who’s top half of his vision is blocked by the old duster my mother used to use to get to the top of the ceiling fan, in Elfrid Payton. Yes, Gordon is beginning to come into his own as he has dazzled with highlights and a couple of games with a point total in the 40’s. He’s still limited offensively and less of a play-maker than the Magic need him to be. It is generally expected that the Cavs would handle the beat up Magic. Of course, with the Cleveland Cavaliers, reality is always much different than we’d expect.
The lofty expectations were met, however, during the first half of the game which ended up being a drubbing. The Cavaliers started the game off hot in the first quarter, a rarity the past few weeks. Their play was quick and determined as they had a bit of an edge. It looked like they were a team who had just gotten tired of hearing how many problems they still had to fix. But don’t get me wrong, the Cavaliers benefited from a defense that just had no idea what it was doing. The Magic were completely turning their backs on Cavalier players as they lost their men on a regular basis. Fortunately, Cleveland was not playing down to Orlando’s level and did just what they needed to to succeed. The first quarter looked exactly as you’d expect if you weren’t paying attention to anything but each team’s record.
Ball movement started off quick and crisp as the Cavaliers put on their best Globe Trotter impressions, routinely making the Magic look like the Washington Generals. Watch below as Cleveland efficiently passes the ball around, ending with a behind the back pass from JR to a baseline cutting LeBron who picked up the foul as he finished the layup.
Isaiah’s defense was still an issue on the court as he can’t stop anyone from doing what they want, even the visually limited Payton. At one point, about midway through the quarter, Aaron Gordon drove down the middle of the paint, dished it off to Payton (Thomas’s man), who then finished a wide open layup. All of this occurred as Isaiah Thomas took what looked to be his own personal mental timeout as he watched from a couple feet away. That kind of defense will never stop anyone. It didn’t hold the Cavs back, however, as they ended with a score of 36-20, Cavs.
The second quarter was when things started to get interesting, not because the game got close, but because the team’s fearless leader, Tyronn Lue, had the guts to trot out a lineup of Derrick Rose, Dwayne Wade, Kyle Korver, Jeff Green, and Tristan Thompson. Now, I know that Lue was trying out a lineup for the first time in a while, but wow, did that lineup not feature enough shooters. They looked like a team full of old guys who were holding onto a game that is decades old. To my own dismay, the lineup didn’t completely fail. On occasion they turned the ball over because passing lanes were razor thin, but they generally made it work. Talk about exceeding expectations.
This five man group was a complete departure from last year when the Cavaliers were still breaking three-point records. At one point the Cavs scored off of two straight Kyle Korver assists, one even resulting from a rare Korver drive to the hoop. Tristan did just enough offensive rebounding to warrant being on the court. Watch below as he strong manned a rebound and put it up for a dunk.
This likely doesn’t happen against a tougher team, but I’ll take a 20-point lead whenever I can get it. I’ll also take a seven minute stretch with LeBron on the bench that doesn’t end in disaster. The starters checked back in with five minutes to go and finished the quarter off as strongly as they did the first. Cavs up 67-47 at the half.
The third quarter mirrored Cleveland’s last trip to Orlando where the Cavaliers blew a huge lead as they barely held off the charging Magic and brought Cleveland right back to reality. As the starters re-entered the game to start the half, the Cavs inexplicably slowed things down and stalled their own offense, falling into some familiar habits. Orlando wasn’t suddenly playing stifling defense so much as Cleveland stopped passing the ball or forced bad passes all together. The shots stopped falling as the energy levels plummeted. Bad pass followed wasted possession which followed another bad pass and by four minutes left in the third, the lead was cut to nine and Lue called a timeout to stop the bleeding. The Magic then proceeded to come all the way back to tie it at 80. It wasn’t until the last two minutes of the quarter that they started to turn things around.
The lineup that brought them back to life? You guessed it, Derrick Rose, Dwayne Wade, Kyle Korver, Jeff Green, and Tristan Thompson. It was as if they were intentionally trying to spite us here at C:tB as they played above average defense with much needed energy and enthusiasm. The bench squad recovered to end the quarter 84-80.
The same five guys started the fourth quarter and continued to breathe life back into a dead stadium. The second unit succeeded where the starters failed in that they were getting to the fifty-fifty balls and making the hustle plays. They were able to keep Orlando at arm’s length for the first four minutes of the quarters until Lue called a timeout after a sloppy play that resulted in Rose passing up a wide open layup to throw a backward pass to a clueless Jeff Green, leading to an Aaron Gordon dunk on the opposite end.
LeBron reentered the game after the timeout only to have TT rightly earn a flagrant one foul on the offensive end, swinging his elbow directly into the jaw of Evan Fournier. The Magic came charging right back as they cut the lead back to two before IT hit a three off the dribble and a mid-range jumper. The rest of the Cavs stayed flat though and the game stayed close. Whenever the game got close, it correlated directly with stagnation and poor passes. Luckily for Cleveland, the lowly Magic started to miss wide open shots even as the Cavs lost all interest in playing any defense.
Orlando finally managed to take the lead with 0:31.5 left on the clock. And with 11 seconds left, IT drew a foul while stumbling toward the hoop. He proceeded to make both free throws, putting the Cavs up by one. Of course, Cleveland gave up a layup that Orlando promptly blew. The ball bounced around after the rebound, eventually going out of bounds. After reviewing the play, the refs finally ruled it Cavs ball with .2 seconds left on the clock. Cavs win a tight one 104-103, as expected.
Some Notes:
1) As I suspected, this game was much closer than it needed to be. It was almost a carbon copy of the last win Cleveland had against none other than the Orlando Magic. Cleveland tends to play down to their opponent, so no surprises here. Just when you thought they would clamp down and put Orlando away, the Cavs took their foot off the gas. This happens often enough to make it common place. Hopefully it makes them better in pressure situations in the future? I don’t know. Silver linings, I guess.
2) I’m going to continue to say this because it’s not being said enough anywhere else. Kevin Love is not only playable, he’s undoubtedly the second best player on this team. He does everything he can, whenever he can. His team defense has improved by leaps and bounds and his ability to draw a foul is the best on the team and incredibly useful. I’m regularly impressed with his play on the court. At one point in the third quarter while the Cavs were struggling, Love drew a foul, then a charge, made a mid-range jumper, then drew yet another foul, all in succession. That’s big time. He finished the game with 12 points, 11 rebounds, 2 assists, a steal, and a block.
3) I was so angry when Lue brought out the completely non-shooting lineup, oh and Korver. Fortunately, for this game, it worked. Rose and Wade even teamed up for the block party below. Rose was tolerable and managed to comport himself in a decent manner tonight, he finished with 9 points, 3 rebounds, an assist, and a block. I don’t expect the same level of production with this unit against a tougher opponent so we’ll see.
I expected this game to be close despite the disparity in talent between the two teams. I haven’t mention LeBron yet and that’s because he was uncharacteristically tonight, finishing with only 16 points, 6 assists, 5 rebounds, and a steal. Unfortunately, he coughed up 6 turnovers and started off 0-5 from the free throw line. His shot is back to being broken and he continues to try to force passes that aren’t there. In addition, Cleveland just can’t seem to shed that lack of desire to play sustained defense. The reality is that this has been a problem for four straight years and will likely continue for the foreseeable future. It is their trademark. The Cavaliers face off against the Thunder on Saturday and they’ll need to bring more effort than they exhibited in this one. Go Cavs!
New post up.
whatever trade we make –just hope we don’t get “AINGED ” again ( love that word arch )
agreed (ainge knew it and we “bought ” into it )—will LeBron get 30 ,000 today–say there is at least 80 % chance that he does —–will cavs win today—say there is 80% chance that they don’t —-think adams / westbrook have huge days !!
are cavs willing to part —(if the right deal comes across the table ) with I.T. — with just a limited sample ??
Good question ??
For the right trade pieces I would. I think IT injury will be recurrent. Ainge knew it.
They should be, but I don’t think Gilbert is willing to. Then Gilbert will pay him max or near max money and it’ll wind up being one of the worst deals in the league.
My feeling with Lue is that it doesn’t matter who the Cavs bring in the guy with his we don’t practice approach will make anyone look bad and that affects team chemistry with those 2 guys from the begging like it did with DWill last season.
They always say they will get ready right before the playoffs start but to be honest I don’t believe that the Cavs can build the needed chemistry and stamina with just a few weeks of preparation to compete and beat an always ready Warriors team. Just my honest opinion.
Still want Jordan?
https://twitter.com/DimeUPROXX/status/951667481051107328
I played as the Clippers on 2k and Jordan was out and Lou Will was putrid
I picked up Austin Carr and he’s making it rain.
Would you rather have Koufos and Hill or Williams and Jordan?
Koufos and Hill by a landslide
Koufos and hill but it’s close.
Hill and Williams!
If they can get Hill, Jordan, and Williams for TT, Smith, and Shump, and the Brooklyn pick, then I think that definitely helps them, and gets them closer to the Dubs.
No thanks.
If they were to win the championship, it would be worth it, even if LeBron walks and the Cavs are crap next year.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/19/sports/basketball/cavaliers-deandre-jordan.html
Fearing that the gap between the Cavs and the Golden State Warriors is widening by the day — and trying to be aggressive knowing that LeBron James will become a free agent July 1 — Cleveland officials have made a number of their veteran players available in attempts to acquire an elite rim protector and rebounder (Jordan) and drastically alter their backcourt rotation (by pursuing Williams and Hill).
I’m not sure how they would be able to get all three?
I doubt they are looking to get all three. I mean, you’d have to clear your cupboards to get that deal done. You can make the money work, I guess. But I’d imagine that deal doesn’t get done without the BKN pick and maybe the Cavs pick also. Which isn’t happening. So I would imagine Plan A and Plan B type of thing.
I agree. For it to work, they’d probably have to send the BKN pick to LA, and have LA send their pick to SAC, and maybe the Cavs send a future pick to one of the teams.
only way even possible is to trade Love. That will be much bigger mid season change, pretty much giving up on season as it will take time for players to mesh.
I don’t think Lue is capable of integrating impactful players for this season. Best if Cavs look for role players that play D.
Seems to me you move JR for Hill, Id start hill at the 2. of couse really anyone with a pulse at the 2 sounds good to me. then just need to dump TTs awful contract and we’re all good
I’d try and trade IT with TT, then start Hill at the point. And maybe put Korver at the 2.
now media has us pursuing DJ/ CLIPPERS—–if we got both DJ/ HILL —does that move ” the needle ” enough to compete with the dubs ?
No. You still need a wing.
I know ( before you throw the hammer down on me ) that it is only G league but —“ZZ” WITH 11 PTS/ 6 REB’S / 2 BLOCKED SHOTS IN 5 MINUTES —–just wish ty would give this kid some run / quality minutes—–T.T. can’t come close to this kids offensive game
It’s a shame, a real shame that we have such a cLueless coach who can’t see the forest for the trees.
I believe that Lue just won’t play any traditional center like ZZ because he is just obsessed with playing Love as his center just for the great spacing the Cavs get on offense but again is like he doesn’t care about the defensive end at all and opposing teams keep attacking the paint at will and having a layup drill at the Cavs lack of rim protection.
thinking the same on Hill—good player —not a “needle ” mover —-don’t overpay for what ………..
Disagree. Going from terrible point guard play to “good” moves the needle.
Would they actually let Hill start over IT? Lue will ruin it somehow.
They would if they traded it.
arch invented a new word —” go get “AINGED ” —LIKE IT ARCH
I guess I’m not seeing what you guys are seeing from Hill. I mean he is a solid player but I don’t think he is going to help the Cavs beat the Warriors. Is he a bargain cap wise?
Can someone explain to me why are you guys so high on him?
He’s a great complement to LeBron. Shoots very well from three plays good defense, can play both guard spots, good with or without the ball and can absolutely play Curry. Yes he’s overpaid.
Got it, thanks Nate! I read JClarkson is available too.
Unfortunately, I don’t think the Lakers are going to do anything help the Cavs.
I can hope can’t I—–which brings me back to what I have been saying —if we have such a LOW value of our players –how are we going to convince “supposedly ” intelligent g.m’s to trade (worth any value —player (s) that might “move the needle ) for our “baggage “—-knowing that gilbert is NOT parting with that nets pick !!
Well Vivek is just as crazy as Gilbert, maybe even worse, so you might be able to “Ainge” him, and foist a poop platter to the King’s.
t.t. / shump / frye / rose for hill —do NOT trade cedi
Why would Sacramento want to do that trade, though? Four guys that either don’t play or aren’t good for a guy who is good?
All together, everyone: “Shump rocks!!”
Can we trade the Brooklyn pick to Brooklyn for like, six unprotected first rounders?
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/954465382663950336?s=17
I hope they can get rid of TT or Shump in a deal for Hill.
If they did a deal for Hill, I have zero doubt that Shump would be part of it…
That would be great.
Vivek has the smarts of Gilbert
This trade sounds like one of the most likely scenarios, but if it happens, it probably means the Nets pick is going nowhere. (which is probably the most likely event, anyway…Dan wants that pick)
And probably means Frye is out, since he’s an expiring contract. Maybe he’d be shipped with Shump? I really hope Vivek wants TT.
Problem is, the Cavs need to have a big of some sort who can play…I suppose they could make a larger trade and get Koufos back…
Of course Dan wants that pick. Every other team does too. Top draft picks are a good thing.
You really should talk to your therapist about your Dan fixation.
Perhaps you should do the same – any implied criticism of him seems to set you off.
Maybe the Cavs can make another trade with Danny Ainge before the deadline /s
Cavs trading for George Hill according to Shams
That would cut into DRose’s minutes, so can’t see how Cavs can do it…
“Interested” not trading for…
and yes put my ‘order ” in for whatever Pelton is smoking ——must be some damn good stuff !!
larry nance jr—ALL IN —-make up for not drafting him / bring him home where he belongs—good player to start the “rebuild “——–EXPECTATIONS LAST NOVEMBER —-NBA CHAMPIONSHIP——–REALITY IN JANUARY—-FIGHTING FOR OUR LIVES TO EVEN GET OUT OF THE EAST
Who was expecting an NBA championship? Anyone here at CtB?
don’t know what Kevin Pelton of ESPN is smokin’ but here is his trade proposal for Kemba:
Cleveland Cavaliers
Hornets get: Guard Isaiah Thomas, center Channing Frye, Brooklyn 2018 first-round pick
Cavaliers get: Guard Kemba Walker, center Johnny O’Bryant
You’re right. He must be smoking some really good stuff too, because he is high as a kite if he thinks that’s a good deal.
Yeah that’s a pretty horrible trade. If they want the Brooklyn pick, there gonna have to take on Shump and TT, and give us more than that package.
Not the O’ Nate wants…
Took me 60 seconds to get it.
Ty Lue likes to beat the dead horse of forcing crappy lineups.
I wish I could find it, but there was literally a play where the Cavs ball handler ran in to Tristian Thompson as Tristian was gumming up the works. Such a perfect example of what is wrong with TT on the floor. Has Ty Lue even watched basketball the last 4 years? That Rose, Wade, TT lineup was hilariously misconstructed. At this point, we know the problems are JR, TT, and Lue – in some order. JR -> Cedi TT -> Frye Lue -> Literally anyone on this message-board who watches what is actually happening on the court Dunno what… Read more »
https://twitter.com/JMcCurryCLE/status/954122924654497795?s=17
I don’t trust this list as it does not include Paul George, Anthony Davis, or Kevin Durant.
Where’s Giannis and Porzingas? This list is crap!
Larry Nance Jr. Sign me up.
Wasn’t able to watch the game, but listened to a bit of it on xm on my way home… all I can say is that I think I’ll try to listen to John Michael and Jim Chones more often… I like those guys.
Good writeup to a forgettable game JMay…
I listened to them during the first quarter.
I listen to them a lot.
Chones is awesome.
Wonder if the Cavs will look into the Hornets’ debris, since they are supposedly blowing it up.
Ya, they just put Walker up for trade, word is. I wish Batum would was on a cheaper contract. What is it, 4 years for $100M, I think.
MKG would normally intrigue me, but he has been horrible this season. I think he’s shooting around 40% on layups, basically…gets much worse from there…
Kemba next to LeBron would be phenomenal.
Nothing like adding more undersized PG’s.
Expiring contract plus Cavs 1st rd pick might get it done, it will be a great bargain to get Kemba at 12 mils and exactly kind of player will excel with Lebron.
Not sure why they would make that trade. Cavs 1st rounder doesn’t carry much value.
Cause MJ probably can’t wait to help out LBJ… lol
I’m betting that LeBron picks Durant, as his first selection for the AS game.
I think ADavis.
He’s stated he wants to win, and Durant is the second best player in the league.
Durant is the best player in the league.
No he’s not.
what? i dont think durant is even the best player on his own team
I think he’s the best player on his team. When Leonard is healthy, he may battle him for 2nd best.
+1 But most see what they want to see.
‘Best’ is a pretty loaded word. I think Curry is the most important player on that team. He’s the one whose absence diminishes them the most.
Get serious. Durant could not win the NBA without joining an all star team.
Kyrie Irving.
The Alphabet…
Take him too
Seeing as to how most years the players don’t much care who wins the ASG, they might not be drafting the best players first.
LeBron said he wants to win it tho…
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=22148197
Want to know the root of the Cavs’ problems? Since Thomas returned from his hip injury, the Cavs’ starting lineup is the worst lineup they throw out on the floor and it isn’t really close. In six games together, these starters have been outscored by 26 points while on the floor. The next-worst group is the reserve unit of Dwyane Wade, Cedi Osman, Kyle Korver, Jeff Green and Tristan Thompson. Those five have been outscored by 11 points in that same stretch. (JasonLloyd)
Crowder and JR have always been starting, and they’ve mostly been bad to terrible, and IT hasn’t exactly been good since he came back, either…
Agree. The Cavs play better with Jose C.
In the last two weeks, the Cavs are 2-0 against the pitiful Magic and 0-5 against everyone else. They’ve outscored the Magic by a total of 5 points in the two wins; they’ve been outscored by 88 points in the five losses.
Maybe we can make the trade official on Saturday, when OKC is in town. PG for TT/Shump, and if OKC is lucky we will throw in Rose.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7osemsc
I’m willing to make OKC lucky…
Great comment about Payton’s flop top.
That hair alone should get him relegated to China…
There is no way that hair doesn’t occasionally mess with his shot…
AC with a great comment on it: “I dont understand it but there it is”
His teammates should do him a favor and cut that poodle off the front of his head. I bet he would play better.
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I don’t get it?
What don’t you get?
The restrictions with YouTube? Do you need to have 1000 posts to have your own channel?
It’s something along those lines…you need to have a certain number of subscribers to get revenue from views, I think…