Recap: Cleveland 121, Detroit 104 (Or, Better Off Without You)
2018-01-29The Cleveland Cavaliers pulled off their second straight victory, defeating the Detroit Pistons 121 to 104. The score is a little deceiving as the scoring margin was much closer throughout most of the game. Luckily for the Cavs, Tyronn Lue made a rare good decision as he left his biggest defensive warts on the bench in the fourth quarter. It was clear the Cavs were better off without a certain diminutive guard who may or may not feel like he should shoulder any blame for the recent stretch of poor play.
The first quarter began poorly as it was evident that the Pistons were aware of the Cavaliers’ defensive struggles this season. Within the first three minutes of the game it was clear who Detroit’s random mediocre player turned one night all-star would be as Anthony Tolliver quickly contributed two straight wide open threes. The Cavaliers have yet to make a coaching or personnel change so the poor defense is clearly not going anywhere. Part of that reason is because Isaiah Thomas is still receiving significant minutes. Despite having seven assists, the ball managed to stick in his hands far too much, often halting Cleveland’s momentum throughout the first half of the quarter.
Fortunately, TLue had Thomas on a short leash. The Pistons turned the ball over at the six minute mark and Derrick Rose entered the game, replacing IT. Shortly after, JR Smith built on his success from the previous game and hit a quick triggered corner three to put the Cavs up by seven. For the remainder of the quarter, Cleveland was able to keep Detroit at arms length as Tristan Thompson was refreshingly efficient on the offensive end. In the clip below, TT finishes a tough transition basket, picking up the foul and the extra free throw, he would finish the game with 9 points and 4 rebounds. The quarter ended 33-28 Cavs.
The second quarter saw the return of Isaiah Thomas. The momentum built from the end of the first promptly stalled. Thomas had trouble running the offense and managed to put up 12 shots in only 27 minutes over the course of the game, he keeps chucking away. Cleveland ran iso-heavy sets for the scoring guard, but he was unable to score. What was a spectacular finish or a drawn foul last season is a blocked shot or a no-call as Thomas can’t quite replicate last season’s success. And since he provides nothing on the defensive end of the floor, the game was quickly tied at 35 and three minutes into the quarter, the Pistons retook the lead.
Anthony Tolliver continued to embarrass the Cavs, hitting his fourth three of the game by midway through the second quarter. Cleveland’s propensity to turn novice players into all-stars is, if nothing else, consistent. If not for the stellar play of Kevin Love (20 points, 11 rebounds), who had 14 first half points, this quarter would have seen a more size-able deficit by half time. With IT playing the entire quarter, Cleveland’s five point lead turned into being down by three at the half. 61-58 Detroit.
The third quarter was more of the same as the starters re-entered the game. The slight difference was that a few of Isaiah’s shots began to fall. There was just nothing he could do with someone like Andre Drummond on the court. At one point, the large center simply caught a pass above IT’s head and made a layup without even a bother from the 5’9″ body directly underneath him. Thomas spent most of the time getting caught underneath the hoop where there is relatively no chance of him helping the defense.
The best plays to happen during the quarter came from the bench rather than any of the starters. Korver, Frye, and Jeff Green showed why they are key parts of one of the most productive benches in the league. Channing Frye flexed his versatility as a head fake gave him enough room to drive around his defender and kick it to his fellow three point specialist to the Korner for a wide open threy. Why Frye was ever benched, I’ll never know. Unsurprisingly, Jeff Green put the finishing touches on the quarter with a monster jam in transition, see below. Cavs 90, Pistons 87.
After three straight quarters of the Cleveland Standard Defense, Lue seemed to realize that the Cavs were better off without IT, at least this game. He did not start the quarter, nor would he play for the remainder of the game. The result was predictable. Cleveland saw a noticeable uptick as competent defense was finally being played. The lineup of LeBron, Korver, Green, Crowder, and Frye was able to stretch the lead back out to seven. To be fair, this five man group struggled mightily to keep Detroit’s (backup) quicker and smaller guards out of the paint. Dwight Buycks was able to stroll right in for multiple easy lay ups and that’s inexcusable. Fortunately, the lineup’s size was able to prevent too much damage and was even better on offense. They were also able to do things like this:
At four minutes to go in the game, starters Kevin Love and JR Smith (15 points, 4-7 from 3) returned to the game to finish things out. JR promptly made a couple of three pointers while Korver mixed it up with a tough baseline drive around his defender and the Cavs were suddenly up by 11. The game never got any closer and the lead ballooned out to a 121-104 Cavaliers victory.
Some Notes:
1) Channing Frye has been nothing but a true professional for this team. After being inexplicably relegated back to the bench upon Tristan’s return, Frye said and did all the right things. He stayed ready and is finally getting minutes again. The Cavs have been more successful in the two games since his return. He finished the night with 7 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists, and a steal. Seriously, how could you not play this guy?
2) The Detroit Pistons were without both of their starting guards as Reggie Jackson and Avery Bradley were out tonight. Cleveland point guards could still not keep up. It’s a problem. It reminds me of how the Cavs were playing right before Griffin traded two first round picks for Timofey Mozgov. Since the front office isn’t going to move IT, hopefully they are looking for a mobile and offensively capable rim protector.
3) The past two games have seen the return of JR Smith. His shot was noticeably more confident. He was catching and shooting in one smooth motion. He’s been second guessing his shot all season long so it’s nice to see the change. Hopefully this version of the Pipe Fitter is here to stay.
4) Iman Shumpert logged a DNP-CD today. I’m not sure if they are holding him out because Lue truly feels he should be out of the rotation or if he actually is part of a trade. I am a little surprised they didn’t try to go to him for a couple minutes in the third with how bad the guard play was between DRose and IT. Ty Lue seemed to favor Shump in the past, if this continues, it will mark a change in attitude toward the disappointing defensive stopper.
Most of the game was back and forth until the second half of the fourth quarter but Cleveland was able to hang on for just their third win in nine games. Every game will likely resemble this one until the Cavs can play even mediocre defense. Cleveland faces off against Detroit again on Tuesday hoping for the same results. Go Cavs!
that is the ONLY thing they have in common !!!!!!!!!!
Both from Ohio…
Both work in sports.
Interesting… Allie and Windy have the same birthday…
STOP THE PRESSES… CEDI SINGS!!!!!!
https://twitter.com/FOXSportsOH/status/958407559911636993
Is it good or bad that Cedi and Channing are everyone’s favorite players. Probably bad because they’re both the most likely to be traded.
Too bad Cedi isn’t a 5’6″ scrapper…
DWade’s face when Allie asked for a win for a present at first was hilarious ??
Woj dud…
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/958409779847811072
I’ll give anyone who can photoshop @CavsDan, IT and Kay Felder into this video $100…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KSiyaqnZYs
Haha!!! I’ll chip in a couple of dollars.
Im trying to figure out where Lebron would go in off season if he chooses to leave again. I mean unless another star player decides to pair with him, i’m not sure where he would go to prove himself…again. The Cleveland title was done in such historical fashion anything more is just icing on the cake for Lebron and Cavs have opportunity to still contend with a lottery pick next year. I guess anything can happen and maybe Gilbert gets blamed if it happens, but who would he be suiting up with since Wade is practically done, CP is getting… Read more »
Nyc
They ain’t got no cap space, yo!
You’re right. Gah forgot how bad some of those contracts are if they can dump lantern, find a taker for Lee, and dump Lance Thomas they can amnesty Noah.
Lantern=kanter
I prefer Lantern!
New Nickname hereby bestowed. A lantern that throws lots of shade.
????
This just means that Kanter must be traded to Boston… so he can be The Green Lantern…
It would bolster Lebron’s claim as the GOAT if he could win a title with a third team, provided he didn’t go to the Warriors or Houston or some already totally stacked team. But, you know, another flash superteam would do it, I think.
Houston or San Antonio. If he wants to go either of those places and Morey and Buford will find a way to clear cap space via trade while keeping Paul and Harden/Kawhi and everyone else or Kawhi and Aldridge with a lesser bench.
Doubtful… especially for Rockets given the contracts they’d have to give trade… Unless LeBron has suddenly decided to take less money (something he vowed NEVER to do again)… he ain’t going to fit under a Spurs or Rockets cap…
If he feels like the cavs have no hope of challenging GS, I could see him taking less money to form a super team. The Rockets certainly would have a better top three than he has ever played with in my opinion, even with my disdain for Harden. The rockets have 78 million guaranteed for next year. 21 million under the current cap. If LBJ and Paul do a 32.5 million dollar and 21.5 million dollar contract, they would need around 33 million in space to sign both. They trade Ryan Anderson, PJ Tucker, and Nene to a for pennies… Read more »
Also cap projected to be 101 million next year. Gives them 2 million extra wiggle room, which means LBJ and Paul would only have to sacrifice around 1 million a piece.
Contract info and cap info from bballinsiders. Those two teams could sign James next year. The Spurs without any pay cut. The rockets with a slight pay cut unless Paul takes around 5 million less than his current contract on his own for 19 million.
I don’t think that team still has enough to beat GS… and I really can’t see LBJ taking any kind of pay cut. Who knows, maybe CP3 would take a larger haircut just to have LBJ on the team…
SA also 78 million next year guaranteed. 23 million under projected cap. Meaning for the same scenario, the Spurs would need around 13 million to be equivalent for James salary he would be eligible for his current cavs contract next year. Trade Green (an expiring) for pennies to uncapped team, cut Paul, and trade one of Lauvergne, White, Murray, Bertans, or Forbes to another team for non guaranteed. You have 13 right there. Or if Ginobli retires, probable, you could trade Gay (an expiring) instead of green, or trade Green, cut Paul, and keep basically everyone else. Parker retires or… Read more »
Sorry Anderson is signed with qualifying offer. Gay, Green and Lauvergne have Player options.
Spurs would probably be a better destination for him provided they could work out the moves to make the max room for him… mostly because they don’t really have a guy who dominates the ball the way that Houston does with CP3 and Harden already…
Agree and their bench is basically intact minus Green, Paul, and either Ginobli, or two of Murray, Bertans, Lauvergne, white or Forbes. That is assuming Parker might take a Bi-Lo Niall.
Bi annual
I think the rockets could challenge. The Spurs are far more realistic since they only would have to trade Green (expiring) and another filler and cut Paul if Ginobli retires or Gay (expiring), cut Paul, and trade a couple of their 1.5 mils for non guaranteeds if Ginobli retires.
A meddlesome owner is usually a disaster. There have been some exceptions (Steinbrenner, Jerry Jones). But how many has Jerry won since Jimmy got run? One with all his players and that was it.
I don’t even think those are exceptions
Yeah, Steinbrenner especially, since his heyday was when you could literally spend your way to championships, with no consequences. (in Baseball, you can still do that, more or less) It’s different when your stupid contracts have real drawbacks.
The best thing that ever happened to Steinbrenner was being banned from baseball by Fay Vincent in 1990.
That meant Gene Michael and Buck Showalter were in charge when Jeter, Pettite, Posada, Rivera and others were coming up. So Steinbrenner never got to trade them away for washed-up vets as he had done earlier with Jay Buhner, Willie McGee, Doug Drabek and others.
Whoops didn’t see this. Consider my post redundant.
The difference in baseball is that there is no salary cap. So if you have an owner willing to spend whatever like Steinbrenner then you could get away with mistakes because every year you can buy the best talent in free agency without having to stay under a cap.
Compared with previous years, where the season seemed like an amusement park ride with ups and downs, moments of sheer terror and then excitement, this year is starting to seem like one of those rides that just spins around until you feel like you are going to puke.
It is still january. other years have felt just as bad at this point in the season. I agree this is obnoxious to go through as a fan of a team with this much talent, but every January has been awful. In fact wasn’t last year awful pretty much from January to the end of the regular season?
I disagree. This January is different because we have an owner playing GM.
And Cavs don’t have Kyrie. And Cavs have the worst defense in the NBA. That is a lot different.
I still have hope that the team will play better, much better. Integrating your theoretically second or third best player in the middle of the season is a major undertaking. What seems like chaos may just be a necessary part of the process. Maybe separating IT and Lebron will be part of the puzzle. But going back to the firing of Griffin, there have been just a whole lot of “what?” moments.
Or integrating your 10th or 15th best player.
There was a game against Boston at TD Garden when the Celtics pretty much had the number one seed locked up but the Cavs pretty much demolished then. Despite how badly they played last spring, you knew with that game that then Cavs would hit the switch and cruise to the Finals.
This year, we haven’t seen that gear yet. Doesn’t mean it’s not possible, but I had a lot more faith in Kyrie than IT.
That 18 of 19 stretch was pretty fine.
Gilbert has the prerogative to make actual basketball decisions, but he shouldn’t. Every report over the years that has come out about his personnel picks has been pretty damning, save, possibly the Bennett draft pick, if that is true. He needs to leave the basketball decisions on personnel to guys he hired to make those decisions. I have never heard him actually speak with any knowledge or depth about any actual on court issue or player’s strength or weaknesses. If he is interested in keeping IT this season or this season and beyond, that tells you all you need to… Read more »
Yeah, just in general no owner should be making basketball decisions. That’s why you hire people to do that job. It’s almost always a recipe for losing, in any sport.
Agreed. Think of the time GM’s need to put in. Owners don’t have the time for that. This seems to be a hobby to Gilbert, and it shows.
Woj Bomb…
/s
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/958381915085725696
Good piece…
https://twitter.com/mcten/status/958387569141665795
For the Dan Gilbert apologists, a sobering fact is that Gilbert has had LeBron for 11 of his 15 stellar years and won one only one chip. Of course, Gilbert has spent well into the luxury tax during LeBron 2.0, and that one chip was about as epic as any could be……and I am very grateful for it. What Gilbert failed to do, however, over those 11 years is hire one truly great coach for James. He has also meddled incessantly in the team’s basketball decisions taking more and more authority away from his general managers. That of course led… Read more »
I get what you’re saying Mike… but it’s a little more shades of grey than that IMHO… I mean you could also look at it that Gilbert has had LeBron from 11 of his 15 years, and in four of them (possibly five), they got to the Finals and had a shot at a championship… It took a while for LBJ to become the player he is (even Jordan took 7 years to win his first chip), and there’s a strong argument to be made that he didn’t learn how to win until he “took his talents to South Beach.”… Read more »
I do agree EG that Durant’s lame move to GS probably cost the Cavs another championship last year. At the start of the season, I thought LeBron was 90% coming back to Cleveland to sign the max contract and finish his career in Cleveland. At this point, the best odds I can envision are 50/50. Making me wistful about those 11 years of brilliance by The Chose One.
It’s interesting, however, that there’s still no clear landing spot for him… provided he sticks to his max deal guns that is… Even Windy on the Hoops Hype pod the other day went through the short list of potential suitors and pointed out the fit or cap shortfalls each has at the moment.
I don’t know, EG. DGilbert came in mid-season during Lebron’s second year at a time when the Cavs were on their way to a play-off spot. He obviously wanted to bring his own guys but couldn’t he have at least wait for the season to end to make a decision? There were reports that he was passing notes to Coach Paul Silas dictating whom to play. That showed us early what a meddlesome owner he is. Then he fired Silas and Brendan Malone was made interim coach. Cavs lost a playoff spot. Then Gilbert hired a coach (Mike Brown) before… Read more »
And it seems nobody notice, but why get a rookie GM who is also the youngest GM (Koby) in the league to handle the oldest roster in the league, a team with so many drama, chaos and crisis? I think all of these have to be on Gilbert.
I guess put yourself in his position… he felt like Griff got more credit than he deserved for just writing checks from Dan’s account, and didn’t feel like scratching off one to make Griff arguably the highest paid GM in the NBA. He tried to go after Chauncey who dicked around and ultimately passed. What other choices did he have available? Not saying any of these were the right moves, but we all have the benefit of armchair quarterbacking the situation (then and ever since in hindsight), and also the benefit of it not being close to $200M out of… Read more »
Hindsight and all, the facts were stark naked-Gilbert gave a rookie GM who is also the youngest , the task of handling the oldest team and being led by an all-time great who is consumed on winning more titles and becoming the greatest ever.
Well, if it’s Dan himself pulling the strings, then it doesn’t much matter how experienced Koby is… in fact, it’s probably better for Dan in his own mind…
EG, that’s not exactly comforting to us fans.
Better to be realistic than comforting in my experience… ;)
I’d rather have a owner who is willing to spend and do whatever it takes to get a title here than one who isn’t. Gilbert is by no means perfect but if he wasn’t willing to spend, LeBron would have never came back in the first place.
I agree that “I’d rather have an owner willing to do what it takes,” unfortunately I don’t think Gilbert fits that billing, otherwise he’d check his ego at his golden toilet.
Or if he got the right people and left them to do what they were paid for, maybe Lebron wouldn’t gave left in the first place and maybe he wouldn’t have to overpay.
Good points Peter… I had forgotten about the note passing that first season. I was also certainly no fan of Mike Brown (either time Dan hired him). Still, I choose to believe that Dan has done what he’s done, and spent what he’s spent, out of a sheer desire to have a winning franchise. He’s made mistakes… some he’s learned from and some he hasn’t… but at least they were mistakes of commission rather than omission. Maybe I’d think differently if I followed a team with a history of championships like the Lakers or Celtics, or was from a different… Read more »
Sometimes doing whatever it takes means resisting your urge to
dip your fingers too much just because you’re footing the bill.
But when you’re footing the bill… isn’t it your choice to make?
Agreed it’s his choice to make. But why pay these people so much when you would it yourself anyway?
I think (based on the article today) that he is probably doing it himself, which is why he doesn’t see it as a problem to have a rookie GM… Not defending the choice, but again, it’s his money and his choice…
I’ve just read the article myself. It says there that Gilbert is also happiest and most comfortable with when he is running things. Unfortunately, the long lists of failures and tragedies have not deterred him from continuing his erroneous ways. Yes it his money to burn, I just hope he does not blame other people who choose to sever ties with him and seek better situations elsewhere.
You state one fact (Gilbert 11 of 15) and a bunch of guesses. The fact is wrong. Maybe your guesses are better.
Raoul I am discounting most anything you post anymore after stating that your experience in staying at Motel 6 hotels out west supports your opinion that Native Americans like Chief Wahoo. Enough said there.
That’s some good advice. It would be nice if there was a mute button.
+1
If you go out west, you might be surprised to find that there are a lot more native Americans staying in campgrounds and Motel 6’s than in Trump Towers and where ever you go. I have been there, and I saw lots of Chief Wahoo ball caps.
Not surprising that you prefer your own theories rather than the evidence.
Despite the somewhat brusque dismissal, he has a point in terms of the blatant cultural and racial insensitivity of the cartoonish depiction of an entire cultural group. See my post below. Anecdotal evidence is suspect. But for whatever it is worth, my experience with tribal officials and tribal employees has been the exact opposite of yours.
The coaching aspect is also a fact. The rest appears to be informed speculation.
Well at least someone has Gilbert’s back:
https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/956658662361071616
What a deep thinker Skip is…
He is actually right on this. This is one of my beefs with Bron, he effectively holds the franchise he is playing for hostage. As a result they either make win now moves to try & keep him that end up hurting them down the road OR fail to make big time moves because they are afraid he’ll leave them with a bare cupboard.
Isn’t Kevin Durant doing the same thing? I think we see why LeBron is doing the 1-year deals. He doesn’t trust Gilbert and for good reason.
Not even close. Durant is signing one year deals (even at a discount) so the Dubs can sign and retain key core players. He has no intention of leaving after his one year deals and the Dubs understand this. Bron on the other hand will not commit or give the Cavs any inclination of his intentions. Big difference.
We don’t know that Durant will stay his entire career. They’re both allowed to sign 1 year deals because it gives them more control.
Durant is very happy there. If you ask him if he is staying, the answer is yes and the Dubs believe him. If you ask Bron if he is staying, the answer is no comment. I say thats a big difference with regards to an organization being able to plan for the future.
Words are just words. LeBron has stated he’d like to finish his career in Cleveland. Durant is also in a great position in GS. Why would he leave? It’s a functional organization with hall of fame talent.
He’s not wrong, per se, however; Lebron’s job is to play basketball, and he does it well in excess of the value of his contract. Dan’s job is to hire and RETAIN a strong front office and coaching staff. He has failed miserably at his job. And if he’s acting as the GM, then he’s failed even worse. Dan would fire Dan the GM in a Detroit minute.
Per that B/R article….its nothing new and confirms what we already know, that Gilbert wanted to be in charge. Have always believed Gilbert was upset Griffin was getting most/if not all credit for 2016 title and other moves in the last few years. Then when Griffin asked for larger salary that was it. I don’t think Altman is too big of a problem. May be a bit ‘green’ in the GM role but I doubt he is being supported by Gilbert in any way that helps.
Altman is Gilberts puppet hence “Corby.” Unfortunately for Altman, he will take the blame, when the team/franchise falls flat on its face. If there were somehow some successes Gilbert will take the credit.
I look forward to seeing Gilbert in the booth next season, with Fred and AC, as he tries to tell the fans to be patient about how his new team, that he assembled /s
Don’t buy the snake oil!
https://twitter.com/noamschiller/status/958383931757400064
I don’t even know who owns the Pistons and I’d trade owners with them sight unseen.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2756488-cavs-front-office-mistakes-pushing-lebron-and-co-to-breaking-point
This report has zero that everyone here does not know and has debated for months.
It reinforces it. And that is not good news.
Except for you, actually. I believe you have been pretty adamant that Gilbert didn’t screw anything up with Griffin, that Griffin couldn’t have done anything differently, and that we HAD to trade Irving for peanuts because nothing else was available. And when faced with these realities, your response has been, “but 2016, everything is great!” The truth is that Gilbert has been a disaster as an owner. He’s done two things, and two things only, that have helped this team. 1. He spent. 2. He apologized to Lebron. Both of those things were necessary to win a chip, and he… Read more »
Dead wrong, as usual. I have ZERO opinion about if Gilbert has screwed things up. We will see how it goes.
I AM adamant that the regulars not abandon CtB to the trolls.
“The word is out that Dan is running things,” a rival executive told B/R. “Frankly, that’s where he’s happiest and the role he’s most comfortable in.” — Yeah, pretty much new this.
So it sounds like Gilbert will probably “back up the brinks truck” for IT, despite most of Cleveland hating him. That’ll sell those tickets Comic Sans Dan!
You are trolling. Where does it sound like that? How would that sell tickets?
How am I trolling? Did you read the articles that you claim was “known knowledge?” And I was being sarcastic with my last sentence about selling tickets.
I have a better idea for him. He can not sign him, and when no one else does either, he can pay him 20 million a year to play basketball at Dan’s private Court for a league of 5’9″ and under.
https://twitter.com/JeffMoDEAN/status/958374798207410176