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2018-01-30Happy Tuesday afternoon, Cavs fans. Hopefully your day has been relatively stress-free, because a very fantastic Cavs-related article released earlier today is probably going to make your blood pressure rise:Â this inside scoop written by Ken Berger of Bleacher Report.
In the linked article, Mr. Berger draws from various insider sources to take a deep look at the current state of your Cleveland Cavaliers, pulling the curtain back on issues surrounding the team’s daily communication, management, ownership, and much more. I don’t want to paraphrase or regurgitate too much of Mr. Berger’s piece, so you should read it if you haven’t already.
The article illuminates a number of disturbing trends cropping up in Cleveland and possibly confirms some of the worst fears Cavs fans have had about the organization, especially those related to Dan Gilbert and the Cavs’ “power structure” (I use this term loosely). In short, this past tumultuous offseason has had lasting effects on the franchise as the state of the Cavs appears to be rotting from the inside out.

from Jim Mone/Associated Press and Bleacher Report
Not all of the drama is news. We’ve been along for the ride since the ousting of David Griffin and Kyrie Irving‘s S.O.S. trade request, with everything coming to a head this last week with an explosive, finger-pointy team meeting led by newcomer Isaiah Thomas. We wondered where Thomas found the gall to call out Kevin Love for being sick, especially considering the former’s underwhelming start to his career as a Cav. But Thomas’ confusion may have been more innocent than originally thought: according to the Bleacher Report article, the level of communication in Cleveland is so poor that none of the players actually knew Love was dismissed from a game and the following day’s practice because he was sick. Not only that, but the article insinuates that had one of the players simply asked a trainer about Kevin, they would have found an answer.
What?
Imagine working in an environment like the one described above. It’s hard to say which is more flabbergasting, the failure of the Cavs staff to communicate Love’s status or the players’ lack of caring enough to ask about their M.I.A. teammate’s well-being. But, apparently in Cavs-land, players conspicuously vanishing without word is par for the course *cough-Derrick-Rose-cough*. Kevin Love still just can’t seem to get any love.

Remember him?
Once upon a time, the Cavs had David Griffin to act as a buffer between players and front office. He kept communication open and constantly had the pulse of his team. Is anyone left filling this void now? Well, Berger’s article informs us that at least one line of communication that is apparently up and running is the one between Gilbert and Thomas. The following passage paints a particularly damning portrayal of what Comic Sans Dan’s love affair with IT3 means for the team:
Thomas has become a favorite of Gilbert, and they often exchange calls and text messages, a league source familiar with their relationship told B/R. This isn’t necessarily unusual on a team with an owner who is as involved in the basketball side of things as Gilbert is. It also isn’t great for locker room chemistry, because the rest of the players know it.
“LeBron just looks at everybody as a shill for Dan,” the league source said.
We can safely put to rest any doubts that Gilbert has a weird obsession with dimunutive point guards. What’s worse is that much of the Cavs’ drama appears to be directly related to Gilbert’s reclamation of power within the franchise. It’s as many of us feared — @CavsDan is calling the shots and Koby Altman is window dressing. Maybe things wouldn’t be so bad if Isaiah Thomas didn’t look like such an awful fit after months of anticipation for his return. At the present moment, however, the void left by Kyrie’s departure looms larger by the day. This frustrating season also reportedly has the players losing hope in themselves. So many signs point to doom and gloom.
Still, things can change fast in the NBA and there is time to right the ship. A trade here and some lineup tweaks there could put the Cavs right back on the road to a championship and all would be well. Besides, how much stock can one put into thoughts from an article that draws almost entirely from unnamed sources? Ask Kyle Korver or Channing Frye and you’d be led to believe the smoke does not lead to fire.
There is also the LeBron James factor, because with that guy there is always a chance. And really, that’s who everything really all comes back to: LeBron. How does this season reflect on his legacy? Does he stay or leave Cleveland again? LeBron holds the future of the franchise in his oversized mitts. The reality that Dan Gilbert faces is going down as the guy who ran a basketball team so awfully he drove the potential GOAT off of his hometown team twice, unfair of not; remember, we’re also talking about an owner who has shown to be willing to spend on the team from his own pockets without limit. Is it any surprise there have floated rumors of Gilbert’s desire to sell the Cavs? Sheesh.
The Cavs organization has a surplus of oversized egos that should be checked at the door. Maybe this group pulls it together, maybe they don’t. Whatever happens, this Cavalier season appears to be heading for either epic success or colossal failure, without much middle ground. It should be more fun to root for a Cavs team with championship aspirations but this is where we are. Whatever happens, just try to remember to bask in every second that this legendary athlete from Northeast Ohio plays for his local pro team. We may never see anything else like it.
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Anywho, the Cavs have a game tonight, as you surely know. They take to the road to face the Detroit Pistons for the second time in a row and look to win three games in a row for the first time this year and the first time since December 17th.
In Sunday’s game, Cleveland trotted out a “new” lineup that moved Kevin Love back to his natural power forward position and Tristan Thompson back to the starting center spot where he’s played for the Cavs three trips to the Finals. It seemed to spur the team to the tune of a 17-point victory for the Wine & Gold. Will the lineup shuffle translate into more winning basketball for the Cavs? And how will Isaiah Thomas respond after sitting out all of the Cavs’ dominant fourth quarter from Sunday?
In other major news, the Pistons recently completed the biggest trade of the NBA season thus far, in which the team acquired Blake Griffin, Willie Reed, Brice Johnson from the Los Angeles Clippers. You may have heard. In exchange, Detroit shipped off Avery Bradley, Tobias Harris, Boban Marjanovic, and draft picks. The Pistons would love to play their shiny new toys in tonight’s game but have opted to hold the news guys out for now while they get acclimated.
Will the new-look Pistons prove to be a challenger in the East? Or will the Cavs make short work of a team that will be adjusting on the fly? You never know what you’re gonna get with this Cavs team. Tune into TNT at 8:00 PM EST to catch the Central Division showdown, and whether you’re frustrated or hopeful about the Cavs’ past/present/future, be sure to sound off in the comments section!
oh hey IT’s in. Game over I guess. fun
It is what it is. The Cavs are a joyless team. The lack of effort is a reflection of their mood. We should have known this was coming the moment Gilbert sent Griff packing. Here’s what we know: – Lebron won’t decide his next move until the Cavs season is done. At this point, if he wants to play for a championship, he may need to head west (or north). He may stay another year because he doesn’t want to chase a ring elsewhere. He also has to realize that, as the leader of the team, he is a central… Read more »
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/958574377209122816
Wonder if SAS has ever played sports in his life…I mean even kickball in 3rd grade..
He was on the debate team with Skip Bayless.
Oh, poor Steven. He tries so very hard. We should all acknowledge his effort. After all, he does his best, and trying is half the battle. Skip and Steven, truly they were meant for each other.
Only ‘bright’ side to this debacle is that Love’s injury doesn’t sound as bad as it could be. Just guessing, but it may be 3-4 weeks rather than 6-8 from the description…it was not worst case for that particular injury. Hope so, because more IT usage is just a disaster.
Nothing like watching a midget chucker trying to find his rhythm.
I have high regard to Dan Gilbert the businessman. I mean you don’t get to billion dollars without the capability.
Can’t say the same to Dan Gilbert the GM-wannabe.
I could care less about Dan Gilbert the businessman or the Dan Gilbert the GM. They’re both snake oil salesmen.
Dear LeBron, you don’t owe the Cavs organization anything. Good luck wherever you go. Thanks for the memories. Dear Gilbert, you aren’t a GM…it actually requires experience and people skills. I get it, you are short, but there is a reason why 99% of NBA players are above 6 feet. I can mail you a towel to dry yourself off with. Danny Ainge swirlies are never fun. Dear Lue, open your eyes during film sessions and you may see who plays well together. Try holding people accountable for lazy play. Cavs Bench (Frye, Korver, Green, Cedi, Calderon) I luv you!… Read more »
Dan isn’t completely stupid but he seems to want to show people that he’s smart – that he can pull off what others don’t believe. If that’s the case, maybe someone can convince that if he wants to look truly smart, it’s time to pivot.
On a side note, IT is far from 100%. Whose fault is it that he got rushed back? Lue? Gilbert? If IT is failing this hard, we need to quit denying that reality and identify how to get IT back to 100%?
IT wasn’t rushed. The staff have given hin more than enough time. This is more than just rust. Give him the ball 90% of the time and let him work I guarantee you he’ll be back averaging like 25ppg, but I also guarantee us not making the playoffs. He can’t coexist with this roster.
Yeah, fair post. Terrible fit for this particular team, and you don’t want IT sucking up big minutes and usage if you have aspirations of winning a title. He was a perfect fit for President Stevens group of try hards that would get swept in the first or second round. He’d also be a good fit on the Kings.
Only if it’s a IT/Shump backcourt. The best backcourt in the NBA….
“I can mail you a towel to dry yourself off with. Danny Ainge swirlies are never fun.” —– LOLOLOL
So, a query. Now that Love is out until at least March, do the cavs have to make a move to keep LBJ fresh/satisfied? At the rate things are going with IT and the uncertainty of draft position, I would guess yes to have any chance at retaining him. However, what move, now that Hill is over and boogie is donezo has the potential to convince LBJ to stay? As stated in the previous DET recap, it seems as though at least the Spurs could sign him with minimal trades and still retain basically their entire roster, perhaps minus Ginobli… Read more »
Hard to know what LBJ wants; everything is pure guesses. My guess is he might not want any bad trades.
True. He probably doesn’t know what he wants at the moment, based off the reports regarding his free agency. However, that doesn’t mean he won’t look in hindsight and have issues with what was or wasn’t done come post trade deadline, post playoffs, and free agency. It depends on how much he values this particular playoff run with the cavs versus the possibility of the next few years and the potential playoff runs if he stays.
I know what he doesn’t want right now. To play with Isaiah Thomas in crunch time.
Not sure anyone in the world wants that…
I’d start Jeff Green.
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/958561773426237442
Since IT’s return at the start of this month, he has played almost as many minutes as Cedi has all season.
Well “IT” is like a Stephen King nightmare for Cavs fans. And Stephen King is a Boston fan, so he was able to get Ainge to foist that nightmare to Cleveland, via Comic Sans Dan.
https://twitter.com/MZavagno11/status/958556800269324289
Mercy…
Lue, probably: Numbers don’t tell the whole story.
This isn’t that hard. Frye starts for love with a lot of crowder and green off the bench. Calderon starts. Wade runs second unit with korver and cedi. Trade IT and rose and Shumpert for anything that’s 17 million. Love heals. Get to playoffs and see what happens.
What am i missing? I have an active rage for Dan Gilbert. Can’t he spend his money on something else? Why does he have to break something we all love?
I would start Frye for Love, too, but you need to be careful of his minutes…
Yeah, Frye wears down. 15-20 minutes is optimal for him.
Agree that that is the logical thing to do. Plus give some reasonable minutes to Zz.
For that to work, someone has to want IT, Shump, & Rose. I mean, we could get Noah from the Knicks or Asik from the Pels. No one any good, however.
Young is can’t miss. If a guy creates nearly all of his shots and scores 30 ppg and 9+assists as a frosh in college, that is pretty much that. Considering the contact allowed in college versus the NBA nowadays, that dude is golden.
We gonna get a podcap guys? Could use some catharsis.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they are recording right now…I’m sure Nate has some ecstatic raving about IT to get off his chest…
Okla was also I believe unranked at the beginning of the season and beat KU?
Trae Young is the pick in today’s NBA with today’s officiating. Guy is so far beyond curry at this age it is nuts.
He sounds Brink’s Truck worthy!
I am pretty convinced he is. Talk about historic numbers in a league that hasn’t had anything like this since the 1950s.
Unfortunately, everyone knows it. Cavs basically need a top three pick to have a chance.
Yeah, they’ve had multiple firsts, drafted Kyrie, and still never really had a chance. They have a chance, if they have LeBron, and Gilbert gives the GM keys to an actual GM, then hides in in his Detroit penthouse for eternity.
Nets are two wins up on the Kings/Mavs who are tied for 3rd worst.
Someone should convince Gilbert to purchase an XFL team, and maybe he could back up the Brinks truck for IT to play running back????
It would be disrespectful to play him anywhere but starting QB…
With all these Brinks trucks he’s going to own the city of Detroit one day.
Cavs will win the East if IT is off the team. They have enough in house to get out of the East. If IT plays significant time in the playoffs, then they will lose. If I attend any future Cavs games I will boo IT.
If you basically replaced IT with Hill right now, I might agree. But I don’t think IT is going anywhere, unfortunately…I’m sure his minutes will just go up. Lebron probably looks demoralized when he sees IT coming in because he knows he basically sucks — who would know better? He’s dominated him the last couple of years in almost every game that mattered. And that’s when he was healthy and leveraged to the max by the team that surrounded him.
Windy wrote that the Hill deal fell apart since Gilbert wanted Hill to agree to be bought out if James left next year. Like Hill is going to give up guaranteed money? This is our GM….cavsdan. It might be hopeless
Really… What a schmuck! I wonder if Gilbert has a tattoo of IT on his back, next to his tattoo of Kay Felder?
Yeah, it’s like the definition of an offer he couldn’t refuse…if I were Hill I would have told him to get bent, too…
So basically Dan Gilbert is becoming cheap. The “he will spend money” moniker is certainly wearing off.
https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/958548091598143489
I think virtually all my fandom has been sucked out of me. Tonight was an abject disaster.
Go Tribe! Or Go Cleveland Spiders!
Cleveland tribe would be a good moniker.
Yes but if they name them the Spiders, we could get a Spiderman mascot.
Cavs could maybe decide to be sellers by the deadline… tell LeBron to take the rest of the year off, tank and get two lottery picks… rework it for next year…
Not a bad plan. But LeBron might need to semi-retire or something — how else to make it palatable to the league and fans?
He is gone if they do that, although, maybe he is anyway if they slip to 8 or out of the playoffs. If Love comes back and they get into a groove, without IT, the last 10-15 games of the season, maybe they roll through the east and it convinces him otherwise?
I just hate how our potentially last season with the greatest Cavalier we’ll ever see suit it up is so painful to watch and how little fun LBJ looks like he is having now
There’s no reason to continue watching this year. Fielding a team with talent like this and putting up a performance this poor…what reason do I have to waste any more time on them? I’ll watch when the playoffs start.
I haven’t been watching much of the games lately. I have no faith they will turn it around this year.
Plot twist: After Love returns in March, Cavs rally to get the 8th playoff seed, face Celtics in first round.
I think, Cavs might get 7th seed and face Celtics. But, there got to be some trade that is a no brainer that will help Cavs.
Only one that moves IT out of town…
At this point yeah. Unless he is willing to be a Jamal Crawfordesque guy off the pine. Even then, at least Crawford could bother shooters at 6’4″ or so.
We are 3 in the loss column ahead of the 8th seed. We will lose 3 by the end of the week.
Cavs for sure could fall as low as the 7-8 seed now. Just unbelievable
Everything is awesome!!! We have stronger opiate than anywhere else! Masses rejoice! All worship the cavalier. Religion be damned. Too controversial?
Knew this would be a loss. Gilbert completely ruined the best cavs team in history in one summer. If he wasn’t such an idiot I’d think it was intentional.
Last summer wasn’t ideal. Who could have possibly predicted that???
Keep Griff and see if he could’ve finished negotiations to get Bledsoe and George here… could’ve been an entirely different team
Even if they hadn’t gotten George et al, the team composition would have made more sense. And I don’t believe for a second Griffin would have made that Celtics trade unless he was ordered too…
Losing love sucks way more than the game
I hope we are not trading Cedi. Gonna need him to start the rebuild next year.
The fact that he, Rose, & Shump didn’t play screams trade.
Not sure about reading that much into it. Cedi had played only 8 minutes total in the previous 6 games.
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just get rid of t lue!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no more tt no more jr , more cedi more frye ,
The Pistons deserved to win, no question.
I wonder if Dan is in a group text with Lue and IT, advising Lue when to play IT?
Gotta love that final bobble by Crowder. Sums things up nicely
fire lue than wel be fine
Jesus, Crowder.
Lue’s hands may be forced to play IT by Gilbert judging by all available evidence. Evidence to the contrary, por favor?
It’s as if Gilbert wants LBJ to leave lol
Wait what is happening? Am I defending Lue?
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Dan and IT should stay in Detroit, forever.
It’s just unbelievable that the Cavs continue to give up this many points and the FO don’t do something. The Cavs can’t get stops against a bunch of bench players. Can’t imagine how it will be tomorrow.
IT: 3/10 from the floor, 6 turnovers, minus-25 for the night. Thank you Dan Gilbert.
Start Calderon. Free Cedi.
Channing with another F-Lue three.
BTW, Harden had a 60 pt triple double tomorrow.
Maybe we hang on for 8th. Maybe.
James TO. Again.