From Distance: When Hope Returns
2018-02-09Four point play…ok, six this week
I would call that a successful day at the office, Mr Altman. Or should we be praising Dan Gilbert? Moondog? After weeks of tired speculation and emotional misery in The Land, Koby Altman, at least officially, saved the season from the depths of Basketball Inferno.
It’s hard to even know where to start when talking about the enormity of this trade deadline, so I will utilize a classic cheat method: Good ole’ fashion Q and A.
1. Will the Cavs regret shipping out any of the roughly 359 players involved in these deals?
Nope. For the love of basketball, not a chance.
I’m sure the regular readers of this space know that I abjectly detest watching most of those guys play ball. The Cavs were able to jettison three of my least favorite NBA players ever, (in order of exasperation) Isaiah Thomas, Derrick Rose, and Iman Shumpert.
As I have previously covered somewhat Ad nauseam, the Cavaliers have been a different and drastically better squad when Shump, Rose, and super culprit IT have not played. In my previous piece, I also included Tristan Thompson as a disaster problem for Cavalier floor balance on both sides of the ball. I’ll get back to him in a bit.
We don’t need to rehash this too much. Thomas was never going to help the Cavs in the playoffs. His only value could have been his potential to soak up some play-making responsibilities during the regular season. That contribution would not have been nothing, but it was clear after his post trade physical that the likelihood of that was low. Upon Thomas’s return, LeBron James, who had at least previously seemed excited about IT’s potential, was made painfully aware that Thomas was not a player that could relieve any of LeBron’s offensive load.
The fact that Jae Crowder and Isaiah Thomas were apparently segmenting themselves from the rest of the guys certainly didn’t help anyone forgive the pair’s on-court struggles.
As for Shump and Rose, neither can really stay healthy, and when they do, they enjoy playing pickup ball in NBA arenas around the league. Getting out of Shumpert’s deal is a success in itself.
Dwyane Wade showed flashes of his old brilliance, especially on the defensive end. I very much enjoyed his play with that second unit during the Cavs win streak. His weak-side rotation timing is otherworldly when he is fresh and locked in. That didn’t happen enough to off-set his ego in the clubhouse and his inability to get back on defense. Dude is old. It happens.
Our boy, Channing Frye. Ok, I give. I will miss the man on and off the floor. Channing is a pro’s pro who deserved more burn during the train wreck. Still, sending him out West to hang with his friend Luke Walton is a pretty nice consolation prize. Good on Altman. He sent Frye and Wade to places where the veterans can enjoy life, if not enjoy a championship run.
2. What about that first round pick? Couldn’t the Cavs have played hardball with the Lakers? Didn’t they need the cap relief?
The Lakers are also a team in the NBA with a front office that doesn’t wish to lose trades. Outside of the Kings, teams are not going to gift wrap first round picks, or fail to acquire one when there is a chance. Yes, the Lakers needed to dump Clarkson’s salary in order to open their summer cap space. That’s exactly the reason they had to include Larry Nance Jr. The Lakers didn’t get rid of him for fun.
3. Who is the best player coming to the Cavs?
I love that this is a difficult question to answer. I’ll start with who it isn’t. Jordan Clarkson is easily the least attractive player Altman acquired.
Clarkson has a tendency to get too ball dominant when he feels like he is heating up. He’s not a great three point shooter, but feels free to launch at will. Defensively, though he has decent size at almost 6’4″ and relatively long arms, he has a tendency to lose focus off ball.
Yes, I basically described Iman Shumpert. The real difference is that Clarkson is actually pretty skilled. He is far more of a natural ball-handler than Shump and plays with composure and pace in the PnR. He gets into the lane easily and often with good hesitation. He’s a slimy driver.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I8Z2SPJ7mM
Once he gets there, Clarkson has an array of floaters and close range stepback Js that are feathery when he gets it going. Jordan has nice lift on his jumper going either direction. He also sees the floor better than most people give him credit for. It would help his cause a bit, if he were to focus more on that than his own scoring.
Basically, his contract is bigger than it should be for his contributions, but that doesn’t take away from his skill-set. He will need to stay focused on D. Offensively, if he can learn to play a touch more within himself while also enjoying more floor-spacing than he has ever seen, he could be very good for the Cavs.
4. Are you going to answer my question then?
Here is where it gets complicated. The other three guys have the potential to be so incredibly good on a LeBron James team that it really comes down to health. George Hill, Rodney Hood, and Larry Nance Jr have all had their fair share of injuries over the last few years.
Still, if Hill has a healthy toe, he is the perfect player next to LeBron. He can drill the open shot, can create more than people realize, and defends as much with his brain as with his length. I’m not going to consider anything from this season in my evaluation. If he is healthy, he’s likely to be the same guy he was for the Jazz last season. He’s only 31 even if it feels as though he is 35.
Rodney Hood has been dogged by injuries and expectations throughout his career. Many people in the East really don’t know anything about the kid. He has been out of the lineup frequently. The Jazz haven’t been a huge League Pass team for those not obsessed with Quin Snyder’s wizardry. He remains a bit of a mystery.
If he can put it together, look out. He is the type of player who falls into 20 point nights without anyone really noticing. Hood isn’t just a shooter. At 6’8″ he really is a legit shooting guard with decent handle. There are reasons for excitement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP2PlnaHMIE
He can shoot from anywhere past half court. Hood’s left-handed release point is high and somewhat quick. Rodney isn’t super explosive, but his ability to use either hand as a 6’8″ PnR player lets him get off high percentage shots from the middle of the floor.
People have accused Hood of not having the mentality to be a team’s lead player. I’m, uh, pretty sure the Cavs aren’t going to have a problem with that.
That leaves us one Larry Nance Junior. I am more than thrilled to have an opportunity to cheer for the child of one of my favorite players ever. When I was a kid, Larry Nance Senior seemed so impossibly old with his receding hairline and generally wise disposition. He was an adult on a team full of them.
Then Larry would jump, extend, glide, or levitate. Let’s go with Nance as a verb. Senior was a joy to watch for his intelligence, athleticism, and effort.
Junior may look younger and have a meatier frame, but 2.0 can nance off the ground like his father. He might even have a higher motor than even his father had. Nance Jr. is a “little things” wrecking ball.
While I don’t necessarily think Nance is a better player than Hood or a healthy Hill, I will give him the nod for the moment. I think the things that he brings to the table will help transform the Cavaliers more than the other three guys.
5. Do you think Nance Jr will play over Tristan?
To be honest, I still don’t have a lot of faith in Tyronn Lue’s ability to play the right guys. If he is smart, he won’t hesitate too long in moving Nance above Tristan on the depth chart. Nance’s consistent defensive energy and understanding of passing lanes make him a bear on that end. He isn’t a great rebounder, but he is better than Tristan at finding a man to boxout.
Offensively, the differences are far more glaring than one would assume. Nance Jr. is rightfully known for his ability to jump out of the gym. He has delivered some of the nastiest dunks the league has seen over the past few years.
That explosion and roll timing already separates Nance from Tristan. Larry will dive to open space the moment he sees that it is useful. He provides what is often referred to as “vertical spacing”. That hard roll to the cup draws so much attention that he opens things for the outside shooters.
In LA, he could have been peak Tyson Chandler and still not have been able to do much more damage on the PnR. The Lakers play far too many sub-par three point shooters for a rolling bigman to really make waves.
In Cleveland, his life is about to get very easy. An opposing defense can’t sell out to stop his roll with the shooting the Cavs now employ. What’s more, Nance is a MUCH better passer off the short roll than Tristan. In a recent podcast, Nance talked about wanting to improve his play-making as he continues he career. One doesn’t need to be able to Pick and Pop if everyone else on the floor is a great shooter. If Larry can collapse the defense and pass out of the short roll, the Cavs offense will be roughly unstoppable.
6. What does this mean for LeBron?
I’m not going to get into anything other than this season. But for right now, LeBron can again legitimately plan on how to beat the Warriors. He knew there was literally no chance that he could win a chip this season with the previous roster. With this new squad, hope is restored in the form of youthful athleticism. A hopeful LeBron is a dangerous one. Congrats to The Land. The season is found.
What does this mean?
https://twitter.com/AmicoHoops/status/962111226754097153
He’s in Canton so he’s taking Ray Lewis’s spot as a HOF!
I hope they hang his jersey in the rafters!
This is pretty hilarious news!
George Hill has a 7 foot wing span!!!!
Gotta ship out TT this offseason
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Good luck with that. I believe he’s got 2 years remaining. I’m okay having TT on this team. He seems to fit in with the starters. But I would be okay if they moved him.
NBA 2K has updated the Cavs roster!
NBA 2K has Hood starting over JR
If Wade was such a poor locker room influence, I wonder how he will fair with Saint Weirdo?!?!
It’s a good thing he keeps his hair short because I expect he might try to pull it out when he has to deal with Dion.
I think the Cavs Skeleton Crew wins tonight!
Absolutely! Eric Snow is coming out of retirement to try to make a basket.
As long as he doesn’t shoot any jumpers!
How many more tampering fines will Magic get before the offseason? I hear his press conferences are almost as good as his Tweets!
I wish Crowder would have worked out. I think he’ll do much better in Utah.
I have a feeling the Cavs are holding open one of the roster spots until the last day of the season, when they can sign Dahntay Jones for $5K.
Windy said on the Lowe Post that Crowder and IT would be completely separated from the other players during game warm ups.
Well, he certainly was on the intros… stood on the other side of the court
I saw that, but didn’t realize that about Crowder.
How does this fit into the “step over the knocked down Kevin Love” story?
https://twitter.com/BenAxelrod/status/962073444044062723?s=20
Awesome
Nice !!! Love Larry Nance and I am thinking his son too. Saw Larry at a Cavs function awhile ago. He looks fit enough to still play
On a scale of 0-10 how salty is Billy Simmons about losing the Super Bowl?
9. On a saltiness scale for the Cavs improving while his Celtics did nothing to shore up their non Kyrie scoring, clearly a 10+.
I would have loved to see the Celtics get the one and only “Lantern” AKA Enes Kanter.
https://twitter.com/RealGM/status/962084937011748865?s=17
https://twitter.com/vincethepolack/status/962064722341195776
Biggest issue? Yikes!
I think the Cavs got a “protected” second round pick. Does anyone know how protected it is? Is it a 1 – 58 protected or something?
I thought they sent that pick to Sacramento?!
It’s a 2024 “heavily protected” second round pick… so probably just converts to cash or something…
I don’t remember exactly, but it’s protected enough that the Cavs won’t see it. They essentially shipped Wade for nothing.
Hood clearly needed a change of scenery.
Jazz have about 4 players who are as good or better than Hood at SG including Mitchell, Ingles, O’neale and Burks. He’s a silky smooth mover but doesn’t pass or rebound much. If he dials up his defense he could fit as a new JR.
You know who didn’t figure it all out till his sixth year in the league? Oladipo. He’s an absolute stud now.
I wanted Oladipo in 2013.
Bill slamming the hatorade hard.
http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/537bfab9eab8ea814fe490ee/bill-simmons-had-a-disgusted-reaction-after-the-cavs-won-the-nba-draft-lottery-again.jpg
think just the opposite of HOOD —he will flourish on this team with LeBron and everyone will wonder where in the hell this stud come from —I liked him coming out of Duke ‘ think cavs had him on their radar back then
AND BILLL (SIMMONS ) WHEN THE CELTS ( MORE THAN LIKELY ) WILL BEAT THE ” JUST PUT TOGETHER NEW CAVS “—AND WRITE —TOLD YOU SO —–FIND A SLAB OF SALT BILL AND “POUND IT “
EVIL SO TRUE—-ICARNATION INSTEAD OF INCINERATION !!!
Bill Simmons is so concerned he’s now a Cavs fan:
https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/961995890603905025?s=17
Bill’s concern for the Cavs is touching indeed. And per Zach Lowe, Nance was not moving without a first round pick. I was surprised to hear that, but I’ll trust Lowe’s sources over Simmons’ lunatic ravings…
Yeah Lowe likes the trade, despite some of the recent analytics. I always felt that just getting rid of IT was a plus.
Who told Bill the sky isn’t falling?
https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/961997673682239488?s=17
“Is”.
https://twitter.com/SirYacht/status/962008355865747457?s=17
One thing that is mentioned in the Lowe Post is that yes the Nets pick is currently projected 8th, but if you look at the standings, the bottom 8 are bunched together by a game or so.
Listening to the Lowe Post with Windy. Not too shabby!
I feel like a lot of the ppl that are down on the trades just don’t understand how a LeBron team works. We need cogs not wheels
As bullish as I am about the trades, mainly because the old, slow and ego-driven have been replaced by the young, athletic and hungry, I actually understand those who are cautious, tempered or even a bit down on them. After all, it was barely six months ago that many of us had to try and find the positives and bright side of the return for the forced Kyrie trade. So, it’s going to take more than names on paper that look like potentially much better fits for this team. It’s going to take time to see how it all either… Read more »
Six months ago, everyone was doing their best to find some sort of silver lining to the Irving trade. Nobody thought it was great. Not so this time around, this is an obvious improvement. just getting rid of Thomas and Rose would result in a better team. The players coming in are a big bonus.
I guess I was writing that comment less for you guys than those who are struggling more with wanting to just trust this will all work out… Make no mistake, I’m thrilled with them and the players they were able to get back. If I never see IT, Rose, Shump or Crowder play again I’ll be a happier person…
Exactly. Just shipping out those guys is a win, in my book.
I was livid about the Irving trade because it was so lopsided. It left us with out a PG and made us worse in nearly every way against GS. These trades made us better against GS. The Irving trade was still a royal mistake, but at least these trades salvaged some of it. It turned it into the pick, Hill, and Hood. It’s not Paul George, but they’re not the worst players in the League, which is what we shipped out in IT.
Yeah agree with you here. I’m okay with a development curve at this point. They aren’t getting the 1 or 2 seed, which isn’t that important anyways. I would still prefer Kyrie over the current package, only because he’s a dynamic player that clearly steps up in the playoffs. But I’m much happier with the current revamp, and will be patient with this new team.
GROVER–I too have been ‘studying ” the draft—agree the 1st 7-8 are so called “locks ” but still think you can go 6-7 players after that who have that very scary word (s) —great potential—-knicks losing the ‘unicorn ” concerns me –they now become “players ” against the nets pick also —will be a log jam —-some teams are in semi “tank mode “—unfortunately for us the nets coach has his players in ‘competitive mode ” –we shall see AND HOPE
Excited by the deals. It’s nice to see the Cavs go after young talent with their best days ahead, instead of former MVPs that are shells of their primetime selves. That alone is a win. It’s a welcome evolution of thinking. I still don’t think this gives them a true title shot, but I’ve written that off at this point. As noted by others, they should be fun to watch again. At the end of the day, that is their job- to entertain us. More than anything else….I’m excited that when Lebron goes to LA this summer, the Cavs aren’t… Read more »
SORRY FORGOT ABOUT NOEL
LIST OF POTENTIAL BUYOUT CANDIDATES—KOUFOS/RANDOLP / LOPEZ / WRIGHT / C BREWER /MUHAMMED / BELLIINALLI/ILASOVA/TYSON CHANDLER/TY REKE EVANS /FARIED /——–ANY INTEREST IN ANY OF THESE PLAYERS—-KIND OF LIKE CHANDLER/EVANS /LOPEZ AS TOP CHOICES—-MUHAMMED IS YOUNG / ATHLETIC—BUT A MALCONTENT (—- COULD BE A “BIGGER ‘ I.T. )—–ANY OPINIONS WHO CAVS “MR ” KOLBY SHOULD PURSUE —–WARRIORS ARE SAID TO INTERESTED IN LOPEZ ALSO
I think Grizz have said Tyreke wouldn’t be bought out…too bad. Supposedly Brook Lopez isn’t getting bought out. I’d take Wright if available.
I’m surprised O’Quinn isn’t a buyout candidate, but I think the Knicks are too good to “passively tank” rather than actively tank.
Koufos. Real center with size. Plus I played him once at the Y
How did you do?
He was 15 or 16 and was 6-7 then. He just camped out and shot threes cause all us shrimps were fouling the crap out of him inside and he didn’t want to get hurt. I don’t blame him.
I watched in the Greek national under-19 team quite a few times back then. He had a beautiful stroke then. We thought we had the second coming of Dirk. After college he beefed up a lot and was limited to a banger.
How big was Koufos then?
The Kings may never deal with us again, once they learn what they have in Shump.
They are trying to lose bigly. They will be delighted with Shump.
Lopez would be OK. If not him then ilyasova. Just a solid bench player who can shoot and spot start.
STILL THINK “MR ” KOLBY ( HE HAS EARNED THAT NOW )—-WILL DO SOME MORE “MAGIC ” COME BUYOUT TIME WITH A PLAYER (S) THAT WILL HELP THE CAVS ——WRIGHT / LOPEZ/ NOEL ETC —-STAY TUNED
If Lopez and Noel get bought out I hope we can land one of them. What worries me is can Lue effectively put together rotations and lineups with realistically 12 guys who could crack a rotation. Calderon, Zizic, Perkins (if he’s the 2nd roster filler) are definitely not getting much, if any, run in the regular season and playoffs.
Unfortunately, early indications are that neither will get bought out…
agree with evil 100%—-on watching a good / hungry team COMPETE —-they don’t necessarily have to win ( that is icing on the cake if they do )—I was ‘ boycotting ” watching the cavs recently/ not fun AT ALL / FRUSTRATING AS HELL / LED ME TO ” MORE BEER CONSUMPTION ( well guess that isn’t bad )—-but am looking back to ‘ ENJOYING ‘ basketball again –watching the cavs —–mentioned yesterday—not sure how the rest of the season will unfold / LeBron’s future decision —but whatever happens –thank you to KOLBY / DAN for at least trying !!!!——we… Read more »
amen – just want to enjoy watching a team compete.
It’s fascinating that almost a decade ago, the only other deadline deal made by one team with this sheer volume of players (10 exactly with 6 outgoing and 4 incoming) was the 2008 Cavs. That team had also lost in the Finals the year before… and was trying to take a big swing to counter another constructed superteam (in this case the Celtics). Cavs traded Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden, Shannon Brown, Cedric Simmons, Donyell Marshall and Ira Newble (and his Newblehood) away… and got Ben Wallace, Wally Szczerbiak, Joe Smith and Delonte West… That team was 30-24 at the deadline,… Read more »
I got a lot of this info from this article, which provides even more details about the differences and similarities between the two scenarios. Just hoping for a different outcome in this year’s playoffs ;)
https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1482816-comparing-the-cavaliers-2008-and-2018-trade-deadlines
We win in 2009 without the Orlando roids with that team.
Agreed. But also just incredible that a decade has passed and LeBron is still the best playoff player in the NBA.
Also game six went down to the wire, and Delonte got a loose ball with a couple tics left, and the refs called it out of bounds. It was impossible to say if it was out or not. If that call had gone the other way, the Cavs might have won it that year.
If I remember correctly, they knew about the violation before the series against the Cavs, correct?
Biggest plus…cavs will be fun to watch again. IDGAF about anything else at this point tbh. They will hustle, dunk, drive, pass, shoot, and play defense. Please let us run everyone out of the gym with our transition game.
100% the point. Watchable basketball is just as important as ring chasing IMHO.
Did Jason Lloyd get traded?
Yeah, he is MIA from The Athletic during the wrong time. Puzzling
Bulls waived Tony Allen. We do have open roster slots.
I’d take him. Even though he’s mid-30’s.
If all he did was ruin Steph’s life for 5 minutes per game during the finals it would be well worth it
Although I kinda hope he goes to OKC and does just that… rather have one more big I think…
To quote Anthony Michael Hall in Sixteen Candles: “Can’t we do both?”
We have 2 slots.
Yeah, but I think they already promised Perk one…
Always enjoy your post Ben W. Your analysis is right up there with Zach Lowe who I think is the best NBA analyst right now. Here from Zach Lowe, think compliments your post well. “We have to see how the pieces fit before declaring anything. The Cavs have almost an entirely new team, and no time to develop chemistry. That is one upside of playing a system that amounts to “Do stuff, LeBron”: There isn’t much to learn beyond doing what LeBron says. But there is a good chance Cleveland has restored itself as the presumptive favorite in the Eastern… Read more »
Bill Simmons LOL’d at the Cavs moves, so Lowe is just wrong…
https://twitter.com/Reflog_18/status/961693816720945152?s=17
Travelocity stole this concept from the movie Amelie.
great movie!
Gonna have to take a half day off of work to finish the C:tb podcast ?
In that Vardon piece:
1) Lue says starters v ATL are: Calderon, Smith, Osman, James, TT. Bench: Perrantes, Holland, Korver, Green, Zizic.
2) He mentions that until Love returns, starters could be matchup based.
3) Mentions that JR & Hood could start together. That would mean Bron at the 4.
That’s interesting starting Hood at the three… opens up some additional possibilities…
We do have some big SGs: Hood, Cedi, Korver. Those guys are legit 6’7″, or 6’8″.
I also can’t wait to see the All Fast Break team on the floor for stretches… Clarkson at the 1, Hood at the 2, Cedi at the 3, Bron at the 4 and Nance at the 5…
That is nice.
Surround Bron with shooters: Hill, Hood, Korver, Love. JR also works.
https://twitter.com/AmicoHoops/status/962007480208277505
It is interesting that several players specifically mentioned Hood in that article…like Ben mentioned below, he’s a wildcard.
One thing this deal does is give the Cavs (& LeBron) some consistency heading into next year. The team has been in chaos all year. Kyrie blew things up unexpectedly. We had 8 new players (IT, Wade, Rose, Crowder, Green, Calderon, Cedi, & Zizic). IT was injured. Rose was injured. TT was injured. The malaise in January. As of now, 9/13 of our guys are locked up for next year: Love, Hill, TT, JR, Clarkson, Korver, Cedi, Nance Jr, & Zizic. The first 8 are rotation guys. We can match any offer for Hood, and we have Bird rights on… Read more »
https://twitter.com/joevardon/status/962001815196880897
Nice work Ben. One theory, I also heard, was that perhaps the reason why the Cavs gave the Lakers their own first, was because they had those other trades lined up and wanted Magic to feel like he got a win, so the remaining trades could occur.
So you listened to our podcast? :)
I’m hopeful, but the Dunc’d on podcast didn’t have much good to say about Clarkson (and Hood, to a lesser extent). They said by advanced metrics, Clarkson was worse than Isaiah and Hood is a short-armed, poor defender with a long injury history.
They definitely tempered my expectations on the trade
they lost all credibility saying anyone was worse than Isaiah
Don’t temper. Embrace the new and exciting!
Yeah never been a fan of Nate Duncan. He’s always sort of trashed the Cavs, plus he’s a GS fanboy.
Hood is absolutely a wildcard and not going to be a lockdown defender. Still, in comparison to what was going on before, he is a huge upgrade. Some guys don’t have the mentality to be “the man”. I think a lot of what has gone down with Hood, injuries aside, comes from big expectations. He won’t have to deal with that in Cleveland. He can just play the game and be a great third-ish option.
Nobody is worse than Isaiah…
Mr. 53-53 (53 years old, 5’3″ tall) Muggsy Bogues is worse than IT.
Not this year… not with that hip… not to mention the chip on his shoulder and toxic tude…
Even at 53, Bogues might be able to take IT one on one…
Before Kyrie Trade: Cavs make finals, lose to Warriors in 5
After Kyrie Trade: Cavs make finals, with slight chance of implosion before. lose to Warriors in 4 or 5
After These Trades: Cavs make finals, with slight chance of losing if Love isn’t healthy. lose to Warriors in 4 or 5
Not much has changed. Instead of having Kyrie, now they have a great pick in a great draft
There was no way we were making the Finals before these trades.
The playoffs were even possibly in doubt before these trades tbh…
The WC with the Warriors, Thunder, Spurs and Rockets is going to be a bloodbath. If the eventual WC champs log 18-21 tough games before the finals and the Cavs go 12-2 in the EC, then fatigue and possibly injury (though I am not wishing it) may tilt the favor. With Draymond hitting people in the nuts around, never discount suspensions and injuries in altering any playoff series.
There is a reason why they play the games.
The 7-8 seed or worse was probable after the Kryie trade
Ben!
Great piece. Did you listen to the pod yet?
How do you feel about my comps:
-Rodney Hood reminds me of Michael Redd
-Jordan Clarkson is a poor-man’s Russell Westbrook.
My comps come from mechanics and half court offensive preferences – nothing more.
Just finished the pod. Great work guys. Funny how much we all cross over. Shot mechanics wise, I like the Redd comp. Redd was a bad man though. He played with a lot more violence than Hood does. Still, they definitely have the same vibe and similar skill-set. I can see what you mean with the Russ comparison for Clarkson. When he attacks the lane, he often gets that same extreme body lean that Russ gets. Ya know, except Westbrook is doing it at 11 feet. Clarkson has occasional bounce, but is obviously no where near the freak Westbrook is.… Read more »
https://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/961650631118409728
https://twitter.com/Steve_R_Walker/status/961813767221727232
I spit my coffee… congrats!
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Someone is salty!
https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/961992101973016578
Bill spent like 3 years talking about the Brooklyn pick, yet neglects to mention it in his Twit Fit!
What’s really hilarious is before the Kyrie trade went down he speculated on his podcast what the Celtics might give up, and he threw out some Celtic trash, but he said about three times, “And that’s it. By no means are you getting my Nets pick”. Then when they gave it up, it’s an overvalued asset and suddenly Kyrie instead of being a ‘good stats bad team’, top 30 MAYBE top 20 guy, is a top 8 guy in the NBA. (Seriously, he said precisely that in a podcast earlier this season) The Celtics deserve every possible basketball misfortune just… Read more »
Simmons is the biggest idiot homer in the world. He was interesting to listen to the first year he was a name, but once everyone figured out he was just a crybaby homer, he lost it.
Guy is a total tool.
Simmons has almost never been correct about basketball and most certainly not basketball in Cleveland.
Listened to his Pod with Russilo…. He was not NEARLY as bullish about his points talking to Ryen
I remember when I threw temper tantrums.
Think LeBron has a pretty good track record with “guys nobody else in the NBA wanted.” Love you JR!
Derrick Rose doesn’t count because Thibs wants him.
IT doesn’t count because he was broken and/or short.
God, Simmons is just the worst. Everything detestable about Boston fans in one disposable package. Enjoy giving Marcus Smart the max, Bill.
Cedi, Jeff Green, and Wade were summer moves that worked out pretty well. And that Kyrie trade is still going.
Simmons is such a b*tch. Which is why I stopped listening to him.
https://twitter.com/lukezim/status/961994399545806849
Forgot SAD!
I AIN’T COMING OFF NO BENCH!!!!
IT needs a version of this t-shirt with a different graphic…
????
He’s drinking the Kool Aide!
https://twitter.com/RuiterWrongFAN/status/961768067423387649
Great stuff Ben! Share your enthusiasm about Nance Jr.
Also a good read about Gilbert on The Undefeated today…
https://theundefeated.com/features/cavaliers-owner-dan-gilbert-nba-trade-deadline-rebuild-about-trying-to-keep-lebron-james/
I’m excited again. I know it’s Warriors or bust, but hell, Cavs needed this.
Good piece. We are better and deeper but still not quite there. We could use a secondary creator on offense. Not sure Hill/Clarkson are good enough there. We could still use some rim protection & someone on the defensive glass. Nance JR helps a little. A real 3&D wing. JR & Hood have the tools but the focus wavers. Cedi has the focus but not the shot. Korver has the shot & the focus but age has sapped his athleticism. If JR/Hood lock in mentally & Cedi improves his J, this problem is solved. Heck, if 1/3 of those happen,… Read more »
Love can be a pretty good second creator from the post?
I’m afraid Lue will bury Cedi again, but if he doesn’t, Cedi fills the the need. His shot is fine when he gets regular burn. He hasn’t had that chance in the NBA yet, but his mechanics are good and has hit a high percentage throughout his career. His also a better PnR handler than anyone realizes yet. Moreover, Cedi has been asked to guard the 1 during most of his minutes this year. While he can do it, he is much better guarding a wing, as evidenced by the Wolves game against Butler. As long as Cedi is allowed… Read more »
That meddling Pat Riley….
“The Miami Heat’s trade with the Cleveland Cavaliers for Dwyane Wade, in the minds of many involved, will go down as the last deal Henry Thomas ever swung.
At Thomas’ funeral in Chicago, fences were mended. Wade and Heat president Pat Riley, whose relationship would best be described as strained since Wade left for Chicago in the summer of 2016, hugged. Simple as it sounds, that’s all Wade needed to be convinced that his plan to return to Miami one day would become reality.”
They landed a bunch of decent to good players, which is worth something. But they went from Kyrie and LBJ with role players to LBJ with role players. Hood, Hill, Clarkson, Nance = pretty good. Not bad. Championship caliber? Playoff tested? True playmakers? Lockdown defenders? Meh. Kyrie leaving town changed everything and they haven’t recovered.
So much upside with a chip at the table in the best draft since 03. That’s a hell of a lot more than the Kings got for boogie or the wolves got for Kevin.
I am not referring to the Kyrie trade. LBJ and Kyrie can compete for and win a championship. LBJ and a bunch of role players, not so much.
Take your ball and go home.
LBJ and a bunch of much less talented role players had a 2-1 lead on the Warriors IIRC…
Wow that is a Debbie Downer analysis. In Cavs/Dubs 1, the starters who played 30 plus minutes were James, Moz, Shump, Delly, TT and JR. James Jones was 7th in the rotation. This new Cavs team has much more talent.
We are hoping the Nets pick turns into that 3rd stud. We WERE hoping IT/Rose/Wade could combine to do it. Doncic. Ayton. Young. Bamba (defensive unicorn). Bagley. Porter. Perhaps Sexton. Speakinf of, wins:
17 = Mavs, Hawks, Kings
18 = Suns, Magic, Grizz, Bulls
19 = Nets
Tonight:
Cavs at Hawks (b2b)
Wolves at Bulls
Blazers (b2b) at Kings
I would amend to Kyrie and LBJ with role players to LBJ with athletic, young, hungry stud role players that fit. :)
It’s funny. The Cavs did get fleeced in th e Boston trade but their willingness to take on salary and the NBA’s buyer’s trade market turned Kyrie, a first, Shump, and Frye into hill, Nance, hood, Clarkson, and guffman. It’s not PG and bledsoe, but long term I think it’s better. PG is going to the LA and bledsoe is good not great and probably not a better fit next to the King than hill.
Clarkson and Hood are feast or famine type players, they can be excellent or invisible on any given night. Nance Jr. and Hill are the opposite, they have lower ceilings but deliver what they can, consistently. The thing is, even if things don’t break perfectly the team is still so much better than it was a day ago. If things break perfectly . . . well that’s why we follow these things, isn’t it.
Nice write up, Ben. I sure look forward to how a fast break looks with the Cavs’ new athleticism. Cedi, Nance and James going downhill will look so good compared to what we had. Even though Clarkson is somewhat defensively challenged, the few times I have watched the Lakers at least he isn’t a traffic cone.
As for nance. You’re totally right. He’s going to be a witch for defenses. He’s going to look like a not quite as tall Clint capella in Houston with the looks he’s going to get.
The other boon? This team is so long now. Hill is the shortest guy at 6-3 but he has a 6-9 wingspan. They will be a switch nightmare for teams.
Nance has been a steal witch, which is sorely needed. Having a guy who gets his hands in interior lanes should help a ton.
Totally. It’s funny cause everyone focuses on blocks, but steals are even better because you always get the ball after a steal. Not true in blocks.
Yep! This is why Golden State is so good defensively – they are so long and can switch. We’ve been lacking this for awhile, and now we are solid.
gametime with new players cant come soon enough.
now its up to (gulp) ty lue to manage the rotations….. noooooooo
Great stuff man. I didn’t get the chance to research Hood’s mechanics much but but you’re absolutely right he can score from anywhere. His shot chart is ridiculous and he’s only going to get better as a second option. The only thing that scares me is his defense. His dRPM this year is -3 which is legitimately terrible on a defense first team (or anywhere) . Hopefully it’s some baeysian flukiness at work. And while he’s injury prone, he’s had a lot of minor stuff and nothing major. He’s also a beanpole. Hopefully getting in the gym with LeBron will… Read more »
Good stuff, Ben. I’m with you, I worry about health, and also just getting a team to gel, which is hard even over a full season. If healthy, this team finally makes sense, after it was just nonsense since last summer. If they had a shooting, rim defending big, I’d be overjoyed.
I was hoping for a big man, too, someone who can offset TT’s offensive liabilities while still playing stellar defense (à la Draymond Green). I still don’t think the Cavs can beat Golden State.
Well done as usual man. It’s like the JR, Moz, Shump trade, but the Cavs got back more talent, and gave up less firsts.