Recap: San Antonio 110, Cleveland 94 (or, New Team, Same Coach)
2018-02-26Cleveland hung with the Spurs for three quarters Sunday afternoon, but ultimately were out-executed, out whistled, and out-coached by the Spurs, the officials, and Greg Popovich, respectively. Cleveland struggled to score against a stout San Antonio defense all afternoon, and when they did get open they were as cold as Lake Erie in February. The Cavs finished 8-34 from three point land, while the Spurs went 9-19, and also ended up with a 32-14 free throw attempt superiority.
Yeah, the officials were unkind in this one. The Spurs seemed to get every touch call while the Cavs had a hard time getting a whistle at all. LeBron was unpleased after the game.
That being said, when you shoot 34 threes instead of attacking the basket, you’re not going to get as many calls. Additionally the Spurs worked their offense and took care of the ball, finishing with 22 assists and 11 turnovers, to the Cavs’18 dimes and 15 turnovers. While some of this comes down to the Spurs’ getting away with a lot more defensively, the bigger difference between these two teams is that the Spurs trust the pass and move the rock till they get an open shot. The Cavs seem to want to make home run passes and shoot after two, one, or zero passes on offense. They trust the dribble more than the pass, and seem to want to make the assist that ends up in the stat sheet rather than the hockey assist that ends in an open shot.
LeBron’s six turnovers were evidence of that mentality, and also evidence of the Spurs length on defense. They consistently jammed the passing lanes and overplayed the strong side. The Spurs recovered quickly to the weak side, and when they didn’t, the Cavs bricked. This isn’t to say there weren’t some great moments by the Cavs’ offense. LeBron James was evidence of this with 33 points, 13 rebounds, and nine assists to his credit but he had little help.
Jordan Clarkson added 17 and Jeff Green 14 but they gave up more than they gave. Combined with Tristan Thompson (six points 13 boards), the three all posted a team low -10 in the plus/minus department. It was baffling then that the one guy (Larry Nance) who’s been playing better defense than anyone on the team sat after getting his fourth foul at the 10 minute mark, never to return.
dRTG Today
Nance on: 94.5
Thompson on: 114
Green at C: 135.9— Mike Zavagno (@MZavagno11) February 25, 2018
The fourth quarter had started out innocently innocently enough, with the Cavs down just three. One of many horse-BLEEP calls happened shortly thereafter as Jordan Clarkson closed out, Danny Green pump faked, jumped sideways and backwards into Clarkson in the left corner, earning the former Cavalier three free throws. That started a particularly dreadful stretch for Clarkson and Korver.
After the foul on Danny Green, Clarkson drove, jump-passed to no one, and started a Dejounte Murray runout. Then Kyle Korver got the ball taken away like he was an eighth grader by Rudy Gay, leading to another Murray runout. Murray drained a J, and a after a Ty Lue timeout, the Cavs ran an inexplicable play: a pick-and-pop for Jeff Green. The explicable brick ensued.
After grabbing an offensive rebounds (over Green), Gasol drained 20-footer to complete a 10-0 run. Kyle Korver hit a three to cut it to 87-79 but despite three cracks at the basket, the Cavs somehow gave the Spurs another fast break against a hapless Kyle Korver. Still, the Cavs were in striking distance, but Kyle was so off he was missing technical fouls (yet Lue left him in). The Cavs kept fighting and LeBron offered gems like the below dunk, but the Jeff Green at center experiment was helpless to stop the Spurs. Check out the second highlight here, a ridiculously gorgeous pick-and-roll by Aldridge and Murray.
Despite his inability to do anything to stop Aldridge (27 points, six rebounds) and/or Gasol (11 and seven), the Cavs rode with Jeff Green (14 points) down the stretch. They did manage to cut the deficit to eight behind a Green hook shot and a Korver three. Unfortunately, Patty Mills answered immediately after with his own three, as Aldridge caught Clarkson on a very obvious double down and kicked it to Mills for an easy left wing triple to push the Spur lead back to 11. Clarkson answered with a couple buckets, but the Cavs could never claw much past a ten point game, and an Aldridge hook shot, two Mills freebies, and a turnaround J from LaMarcus put the Spurs lead at 16 with just a minute and a half to go.
Finally, after running the same lineup for nine straight minutes, Lue subbed in Osman, Zizic, and Holland for the final minute of garbage time, and game expired 110-94.
Ugh.
Ty Lue running a lineup that clearly didn’t have the athleticism or defensive ability to match the Spurs for nearly nine straight minutes was… problematic. Unfortunately, Cedi, J.R., George Hill, and Rodney Hood were a combined 6-27 on the night, so it’s easy to see why Lue didn’t trust them. But despite the four fouls, it was easy to see that Larry Nance was the best defensive player the Cavs had on their roster. The fact that he only played 15 minutes was a bit daft. Nance was also an offensive force as the Cavs ran their offense through him in the high post, and he started more than one fast break.
In 15 minutes, Nance had four rebounds, four assists, four points, two blocks, and two steals, his absence was baffling. Further, as many noted, and has been the case from even before the trade, the Cavs seemed to not have much of a plan on offense, and still turn the ball over too much. That’s on the coach.
LeBron James is still a brilliant offensive player, but as has often been noted, he makes everyone a role player. These new guys clearly haven’t learned how to play with him, as we see a lot of folks standing around still and where to go on offense and defense. Some of this is expected, as the Spurs operate as a well oiled machine, even when missing their best parts.
Also, a good coach would have gotten a tech with as bad as the officiating was in that game, and as good as Jeff Green as been for parts of the season, he’s no center. Lue’s attachment to him has clouded his judgement on his play.
Kyle Korver looked ooooold this game.
Meh
It will get better. The Cavs can’t shoot this poorly forever. One thing that will help them will be to realize that they aren’t the rockets, and they have to attack inside before they can loosen up the outside. Despite his meh defense, at least Tristan Thompson is actually rebounding.
Jordan Clarkson scored 17 points on a decent percentage, but the three turnovers hurt.
Yay
LeBron James is still really good. He has started using his left handed more and more, including from both sides of the basket. He scored 33 like he was 21 years old. He’s just got to stop turning the ball over.
GOOD ONE ARCH !!
They must have put up Billboards in Atlanta for Ilyasova:
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/968222775726018560
AGREE ON DRAZEN—-ATHLETIC/ SMOOTH / PURE JUMP SHOT–MONEY /—-PLEASURE TO WATCH– ( UNLESS HE WAS PLAYING AGAINST YOU )—–WAY TOO EARLY—R.I.P .
https://twitter.com/MikeNapoli25/status/958130436642885632
Really excellent article from Zach Lowe today about Drazen Petrovic, for those who remember him. Some of his best writing.
LinkL http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22590062/zach-lowe-drazen-petrovic-lasting-basketball-legacy-nba
I was just reading that, and was watching highlights of Petrovic a few weeks back. He was stud, and died way too early. RIP Drazen Petrovic!
He really would fit the current NBA like a glove…a bit ahead of his time…
Speaking about ahead of his time, think how incredible Mark Price would be in today’s game with the current rules and pampering of small guards by the officials. Dude basically created splitting the p and r at least according to Kenny smith.
GOOD FOR THE CAVS ORGANIZATION —-ALL IN —THE LAND—WITH PRIDE !!!
https://twitter.com/mcten/status/968511942066352129
https://twitter.com/tkgriffith2/status/968522487716818944?s=19
Oh boy…
Glad the organization took this step
It made me chuckle
#PartyAtNapolis
getting concerned about that NETS pick—–with the nets playing with a ‘purpose “—and other teams ( Chicago/ knicks / mavs / hawks / etc ) going in “tank ” mode there is the potential of that pick dropping as far as to tenth spot —–3 to 4 spots are huge in this draft —–BIG GAME FOR CAVS TONIGHT TO GET ANOTHER LOSS TO THE NETS
If the Cavs lose tonight, it will absolutely be the most inexcusable loss of the year, with a bullet.
We’ve already given them one of their wins.
agreed the time has come for ty–” to put up or shut up” —NO MORE EXCUSES —-WANT RESULTS —-gilbert / griffin / Kolby have always given him an abundance of talent ( any coach would be salivating over ) to work with —-he preaches 1 thing/ offensive changes / going to workl our offense around kevin / but once the game starts —it is all forgotten —–and yes let’s forget about NO PRACTICES — and get these players in the gym
The Amico article posted below is pretty much what we’ve been saying since day one with Lue. It’s funny that he mentions Lue having rotation problems THIS season. He’s had those same problems since day one. Our defense has declined since the moment he took over for Blatt. The locker room has been a mess. This roster is incredible and Lue is out of excuses. It’s on him and I sure hope everyone knows that within the organization.
https://twitter.com/hannibalburess/status/968292655141740544
That is the fearsome playmaker that I loved so much…
What he lacks in height he makes up via his barbarous playing style.
That was the most insanely asinine pass attempt I have ever seen. Seriously, what was that?
I’ve seen better passing from middle school girls…
It did look like a ‘pass’ you’d see in a Jr. High game…
Channing’s line tonight reads “DNP – APPENDECTOMY”
Yes, he had his appendectomy in Cleveland last week.
Man. That Amico article is pretty damning.
I’m not sure what to think about Lue. The Cleveland beat reporters (who I trust) seem to believe in him, or at least feel he is not the problem (at least during the recent turmoil). I don’t think Lue takes that regular season that seriously, and he probably wants players like Thompson in peak form for the post season. It’s difficult to watch at times, and I would never compare Lue to any great coach, but I’d like to reserve some of my thoughts on this until the post season. He seems to be the easy scapegoat right now.
Lue is a drain not a fountain
“Draino” gets rid of clogs. Maybe Lue is the “metimucil” for the organization?
Given just those two choices, I think Lue is a drain too. His rotations haven’t made sense the last two years, let alone this year as Amico said. As the article closed with, it’s time for Lue to step up. Anyone watching that Spurs game knew Nance and Hood should have been on the floor more, and JR on the floor less. Plus it is not good he makes James almost always fend for himself on no calls. What about supporting your generational superstar with something other than that glazed look?
Per McMenamin: Hood has seen the biggest drop in production since his move, averaging 10.6 points on 9.0 field goal attempts per game with the Cavs, down from 16.8 points on 14.2 FGA with the Utah Jazz this season.
Per McMenamin: Lue introduced an offensive structure that starts with feeding the ball to the elbow and has “six or seven” options to pursue from there, depending on how the defense reacts. In the starting unit, the elbow feeds — while Kevin Love is hurt, at least — will flow through LeBron James. With the second unit, those touches will go through Larry Nance Jr. or Jeff Green.
This structure was introduced in today’s (Monday) practice: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22587626/cleveland-cavaliers-coach-tyronn-lue-says-team-become-too-predictable
Lol. Where was this offense for love threw years ago?
Apparently Lue finally has a roster that he feels he can best install his systems.
Mavericks hold on to win, beating the Pacers 109-103 #NetsPick
Magic, Hawks also lose. Mavericks currently up 13 with 4:46 to play in the 4th against the Pacers. NETS PICKKKKKKKKK!!!!
Anthony Davis scores 50 against the lowly Suns, who are also tanking.
Bad news for the Nets pick, as the Nets beat the Bulls 104-87. Cavs will have to take care of business tomorrow. Bulls are in tank mode, and the Nets have no reason to tank.
The article nomad mentioned on Amico Hoops about Lue’s deficiencies is pretty good…Here’s a link… http://amicohoops.net/nba-analysis-nba-rumors-cleveland-cavaliers-tyronn-lue-lebron-james-san-antonio-spurs/ I just don’t get Lue’s philosophy at the end of games, especially when the Cavs are down…He seems to think you need to play more offensive oriented players to catch up but this is such a flawed philosophy…You need stops in the the 4th quarter when you are losing and need to play the best defensive lineup to get stops to catch up…You obviously can’t overcome a deficit if you’re scoring but can’t make any stops on the other end…He’s done the same thing… Read more »
The thing a dislike the most about coach Lue is that he’s always talking about offensive sets and integrating the new guys into the offense but he doesn’t talk about the defensive side enough. The Cavs got schooled yesterday on defensive effort by the Spurs IMO.
Hah. Video is back
Sorry about the sad state of the videos today, guys. NBA.com kind of hosed this.
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/968177435144372224
Wow that’s actually quite funny.
The title explains it perfectly ‘new team, same coach’. The Cavs need a coach that can get the most out of his players. That’s all.
Definitely missed a secondary creator yesterday. I think having Love will help a ton. Is there a metric showing “contested rebounds” bc I watched a lot of the game, and it felt like all of the D rebounds TT got were uncontested. He worked for some O boards, but I don’t think he is much of a plus D rebounder at all. His iso and pick and roll defense was pretty disgusting. He sags back so far on PnR that they were getting wide open 13-15 foot jumpers at the key/free throw line. JR couldn’t play defense at all for… Read more »
Didn’t watch the game but from the recap and comments, it seems Lue was a big factor in this loss with his lack of “in the moment” adjustments.
Ugh… Sucks he’ll still be the coach come playoff times.
This would dark but hilarious. Mike Brown 3.0 if James left?
3-point shooting percentages since the trade:
44% Korver 14-32
44% Hood 11-25
41% Smith 14-34
41% Osman 7-17
39% Clarkson 9-23
31% James 8-26
29% Green 4-14
22% Hill 4-18
Hill has been offensively challenged since we returned from AS break.
Swaggy P = Front Runner
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/967611330025832448
Really glad Swaggy isn’t on the Cavs. He’s pretty awful.
Melo and KD going at it:
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/967609138300706816
Melo acting tough when he has Andre the Giant on his team!
Don’t the best players usually start ? If soo does anyone argue that nance isn’t a lot better than tt ?? So why doesn’t he start ?? And tell me one thing that hood isn’t better than jr ?? Jr defense is rediculous !! And terribly inconsistent on offense, hood should be starting instead of him he would average at least 15 points a game
Who’s excited for the Nets Pick Game?
Bulls and Nets playing tonight, so we get the Pick Game on their own B2B.
Windy brought up a great note on the Dubs. Outside of their 4 All-Stars, they’re depth is not what it used to be. Zaza is unplayable against the Cavs (thank god!), Swaggy P stinks, Iggy has fallen off a cliff, same with Livingston. Now, in the playoffs the rotations will certainly shorten, so this may be less of a factor. But the “Strength in Numbers” mantra is no more.
https://twitter.com/bballbreakdown/status/967949354681036800
Everybody in the basketball universe loathes it except for The Turd. Makes the game look so rinky dink.
You would think the refs would know better. At least they don’t let him get away with it in the playoffs.
He’s good enough he doesn’t need cheap crap like that to game the system. Leave that crap for the Austin Rivers of the world…
That’s why he won’t get anywhere in the playoffs as the number 1 guy. He’s a gimmick, but has the talent to be more than a gimmick.
ya, but same antics will cause rockets downfall in playoffs, harden will not get same calls in playoffs.
Meanwhile, LeBron gets slapped in the face on a drive and gets no foul call…
EVEN AMICO HOOPS ( who is rather passive when it comes to being negative about cavs ) is BLASTING TY’S COACHING ABALITIES / OR LACK OF
” the cavs seemed up not to have much of a plan on offense “—doesn’t this sum up the ENTIRE TY ERA —-just let LeBron create —-works a lot of times but against good defensive teams –NOT !!—-you have to admire POP –everyone said when Duncan retired / parker/mano getting old( and without kawhi ) the spurs would fold —-TY PLEASE TAKE SOME LESSONS FROM THE MASTER –POP —AND LEARN —————KOLBY’S NEXT BIG MOVE MIGHT BE THE TERMINATION OF HIS PRESENT COACH
Against a good defensive team that has long athletes like the Spurs, you need to move the ball. I didn’t see a lot of that, I saw mostly Lebron beasting and contested jumpers.
I will say, the one pass one shot (homerun) mentality, which I have always had issues with since James returned, will likely not work with this group. We don’t have enough playmakers for it to work. They need a semblance of a system that can operate on its own without one guy having to do everything. We used to have two guys to create their own and everyone else’s shot from nothing. Now we have one. These role players need to be able to function on their own without James. To do that, they need plays and sets to create… Read more »
I don’t know how often I was screaming at the TV as Lue refused to make any lineup changes as our lead slowly slipped away and then vanished all together. Seriously, if this team has a weak point now, its Ty Lue.
Comparing any coach to Popovich is asinine as the latter is one of the best in the game, but it was clear how far below Lue is as a coach compared to him. Pop is missing his best player, playing random dudes and running a competent system, substituting where needed, and trusting his guys, regardless. It showed big time as even Gasol was hustling for plays and that guy moves like one stuck in quick sand. When Rudy Gay is stopping you defensively, one needs to reassess things. Thought todays game showed Cavs need to trust each other and themselves… Read more »
It was probably a mistake to sign Jeff Green, even though he’s been okay for the Cavs, because Lue just likes him a little too much.
Didn’t the Cavs leave the same 5 in in the fourth from the time Lebron checked in till garbage time? Those guys looked gassed.