From Distance: Kyle’s Play
2018-03-15Four point play….
1. Well, I didn’t realize that was on the table. Tyronn Lue “just felt like” surprising J.R. Smith via text message before the Cavaliers continued their road trip against the Phoenix Suns. Welcome to the bench, Earl!
Okay, I doubt those were Coach Lue’s exact words, but they might as well have been considering the timing of the move. After two losses in L.A., the Suns contest(I use the term loosely) loomed as an obvious “get well” game for the Wine and Gold. These days, there is nothing like a trip to the desert to get your shot wet.
If I were J.R. Smith, I would have been very excited to hoist some first quarter shots as J.R. has been wont to do since Kevin Love went out with injury. Instead, Smith was again demoted to the bench seemingly at a whim.
Benching a guy before a Suns game is both a good move and a ridiculous one. It’s good for your reputation as a coach. There is little chance that the choice will backfire against such awful competition. The ridiculous part is roughly the same. A Suns game lets struggling starters regain their mojo.
Since his arrival, it has been widely assumed that Rodney Hood would take over Smith’s starting two guard spot on the depth chart. I’m still not convinced that that would ultimately be a better fit come playoff time. Perhaps I simply don’t know enough about Rodney Hood’s playoff chops to want to chance wrecking J.R.’s confidence.
I’ve long been a proponent of keeping J.R. Smith in the starting lineup, not necessarily because he is a better player than Hood, but because his bench productivity as a Cavalier has been rather lacking. Benching him seems to be too small a benefit for a possibly large cost.
2. However, if it is Kyle Korver that is actually inserted into the lineup, I am totally fine with it. That’s the part that surprised me. Lue has started Smith, Hood, and Cedi Osman without going to what is probably his best option in Kyle Korver.
Earlier in the season with Tristan Thompson behind and Isaiah Thomas next to him in the backcourt, there was no huge team defensive advantage of having Kyle’s defensive IQ out there. When the rotations were murdered by a little guy who couldn’t care less about defense, and a bigman who has lost about six steps, Korver’s supreme rotational abilities often went without notice. There was no string on which to be attached.
With the addition of George Hill and Larry Nance Jr, Korver’s incredible talent as a team defender has an opportunity to shine. His one-on-one defensive limitations are mitigated because he has far more help on the back end.
Korver has always been a better defender than people give him credit, but it is true that he isn’t great on ball. As a help defender in PnR and a lock and chase guy, Korver has excelled.
Offensively, the advantages are obvious. LeBron James knows when and how to leverage Korver’s shooting to torture defenses. Even teams less inept than the Suns give up easy backdoor cuts against Kyle in their terror to defend a lob dunk or three.
However fun it was to watch Korver score 22 points in 23 minutes on only SEVEN shots, don’t get used to it. It makes too much sense. It’s too easy. We all know that if Lue thinks he can beat a guy one-on-one, that guy won’t get minutes.
Okay, I should relax a bit. For all I know Rodney Hood will thrive as a full-time starter. I don’t doubt his talent. Perhaps J.R. will rekindle his Sixth-Man-of-the-Year mojo and throw fire off the bench.
What I fear is that Kyle will be relegated to the pin upon Hood’s return. Smith will struggle with his shot, while Jeff Green soaks up more wing minutes. If Cedi and Kyle end up being the odd men out, Koby Altman’s attempt to make this roster foolproof will be unsuccessful.
3. We haven’t even gotten into Jordan Clarkson yet. The dude is simply dominating the rock too much. It is what we all suspected might happen, but it needs to be curbed for any of these rotations to fly.
It is comical to contrast Jordan Clarkson’s inability to find Korver on the weakside with The King’s passing artistry. Korver truly is a consumate professional. I wouldn’t have blamed him has he gone all Dion Waiters/Isaiah Thomas on Clarkson.
For whatever reason, Clarkson doesn’t notice that Kyle Korver is on his team when they run out there together in the second unit. Rodney Hood ran far more Pick and Roll action when he was in Utah. Obviously, he won’t need to do that too much when he shares the floor with LeBron, but he should absolutely be handling more when James is on the bench, regardless of starting status.
I wrote a few weeks back that I would give Jordan a chance, that I wouldn’t immediately lump him in with chuckers from Christmas Past. I did. He chucks. Love the enthusiasm, Jordan, but for the love of basketball, look for the weakside three. The pass is almost always there if you just look to make it.
4. Kevin Love can’t get back soon enough. Much of the rotation issues that plague the Cavs are a result of his injury. With the influx of wing talent since he has been out, I’m hoping Love can take Green’s big man minutes and all of Tristan’s. Green should play at times depending on the matchup, but not like he has been lately.
I’m not sure how much of Green’s recent play is a result of his bad back, or simply a natural regression, but he has not been the pleasant surprise we enjoyed earlier in the season. Green must refuse to settle for shots. It would make sense that a sore back would limit his desire to barrel hard towards the rim. If that’s the case, sit him until he is healthy. He’s not helping anyone with his bricky 3 point shot and his off-balance mid-range game.
When Love returns, he will likely have an abundance of space on the block with which to work. If Lue surprises us all by keeping Korver in the starting lineup, Hill, Korver, Bron, Love, and Nance could form a unit that should be a terror running “floppy”.
Nance can do some damage from the elbows on and off ball. With the above lineup, all guys are brilliant at anticipating when the defense gets too high on a screen to prevent the backdoor. Easy layups and threes should abound. With Nance’s bounce, a defense has to pay more attention to lob possibilities, giving all the screen setters major room.
We could call that lineup, the All IQ lineup. Defensively, that squad should be able to use its length and intelligence to wreck offensive action before it starts. They would have some issues against great one-on-one play, but I would trust each of those guys to make the proper early rotation to prevent the easiest looks.
The trip to L.A. wasn’t any more important than Phoenix. The Cavs are still in chill mode until everyone is back. Still, April is almost here. It’s time to get going.
I’m calling it. Tonight’s going to be remembered as the Z2. 0 game.
don’t know what to make of this comment:
LeBron gushes about Lillard
LeBron James praises the Trail Blazers’ all-star point guard, telling reporters, “Give me Damian Lillard and I’ll show you how appreciated he’ll be.”
It means Cavs are trading Trae Young and TT for Lillard this summer…
lol, Lebron should get Executive of the year award then pending his choice for Lue’s replacement.
When this whole NBA thing is over maybe they’ll get an apartment together.
BTW, watching warriors game yesterday, IT was really bad on defensive end. G League stalwart Cook took him to hoop too easily, it was like warriorswere playing 5 on 4 on offense if IT was there on defense. Good riddance for Cavs.
Wait till his powers are 100% back…
IT’s best move would have been if he accepted bench and limited role with Cavs. Not sure which team would be dumb enough to give him a contract. Ofcourse Derrick Rose got a contract, so you never know.
Best would have been to get off-season surgery Miss the season. And put Danny Ainge in a bind. He probably cost himself a good 45 million at least by playing this year
Exactly right nate
GOOD WIN FOR THE BUCKS —-GO BUCKS !!!
Couple of dumb fouls on threes by the Jackrabbits might seal their fate here… OSU could escape their cold shooting stretch run…
I DO LIKE DAUM’S GAME——COULD BE A A BACK UP NBA PLAYER POSSIBLY OR OVERSEAS/ G LEAGUE
I could see him being a better three shooting Olynyk…
Buckeyes doing a better job on Daum…
AGREE EVIL ( ON 3-3–LOSE TO BLAZERS -)—-WOULD REST LEBRON AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE——-BUCKEYES ARE GOING TO BE IN FOR A DOGFIGHT TO WIN THE 2ND HALF
OUCH –2 OHIO STATE PLAYERS GO DOWN –BACK TO BACK POSSSESIONS –WESSON / WILLIAMS—-DAUM FOR SOUTH DAKOTA IS A LOAD !!—-
Buckeyes snakebit with ankle sprains…freaking unbelievable…
clueless already has his ‘ built in excuse for losing “—LNJ out —–will be interesting to see what ANTE can do with the start / minutes —-am sure there will be GOOD / BAD mixed in —–hell might as well let LeBron sit out a game also
Get boatraced by Blazers and beat Bulls for a 3-3 trip most likely…
I would take d graham from Kansas before I take t young —-even bundson from villanova
Buckeyes doing a pretty good job defending so far…
Tough matchup for OSU…I hope SDSU isn’t lighting it up from three…
Well at least they don’t have Kawai Leonard.
https://twitter.com/World_Wide_Wob/status/974378112694747137
And with the 7th pick of the 2018 draft, the Cavs selected Trae Young!!!!!!
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Returning to the theme of Evil’s “In good spirits” essay, I am writing a detective noir novel that starts with a remark on a stiff drink. The recipe is Jamaican dark rum, Talisker Storm Scotch, and two parts Jack Daniel’s. What should I call the drink?
Gross?
Here is what I got so far:
“It was a ‘Dark and … ‘, a drink only favored by …”
I will try to work “Wet Shump” into the next chapter.
Stormy Night?
Hurricane Jack…
A wet shump
The Ty Lue? Since that’s an odd rotation of drinks?
This is a joke right? Far and Away the most obvious answer is a Stormy Daniels.
You are right, I am not actually writing a novel. Ace bartender/guitarist Metal Mike did however name a phantom drink a “Dark and Stormy Daniels” last night, and I dreamed up the ingredients.
Yeah that’s better than my name I was going to suggest something a little more pornography inspired
Sooners about to go boom…
HUGE three for Rhode Island…that should do it…
OT for OK and Rhode Island…
Trae Young heating up… but his team’s probably still going to lose…
Going to OT…on a miracle missed putback by Rhode Island…
https://twitter.com/mcten/status/974336421917020160
Future Cav Trae Young in action right now… /s
HE got some bad calls!
So he fits right in as a Cav!!!!
I have said this before, but I really hope not…
Oh dude, you know he’s gonna be the pick if Bron sticks around…
Gonna be Shabazz Napier all over again…
Like Napier, he migt be an okay NBA player in about 6 years…
Just in time for Bronny…
Keeping jr engaged seems as big of a mystery as anything he seemed engaged on tues from the bench then sometimes he’s engaged with Lebron ….but definitely he’s gotta b professional about it as he’s been a liability on both sides of the floor….especially when he plays free safety on defense (like Lebron only Lebron knows how to do it) ….but also shout out to Klutch sports that got the cavs to sign two of the worst contracts in the nba in jr and tt. Feels like the Joakim Noah signing by the knicks now. We play much better with… Read more »
Glue him there for good !!!! O ya!!
Jason on nets update—-thank you —-I am conceding # 1 pick to the griz ( they may not win again this season ) why I am hoping bulls win—- get more separation from the nets—–mentioned whenever porzingus “unicorn ” got hurt I feared the knicks ” overtaking ” the nets draft spot—still concerned with that
It’s a lottery
This is comical.
https://twitter.com/mavsmoneyball/status/974299279622799360?s=19
Great stuff as always, Ben. I’m surprised you didn’t touch on the fact that Jordan Clarkson has been playing the two over the last couple games since the Laker disaster, with Calderon playing the one and taking over primary ball handling and playmaking duties in the second team (and doing it fantastically). The calderon, Clarkson, jr/Hammond, green, ante lineup has been surprisingly feisty, and against the Clippers better than the starters. Clarkson as a secondary ball handler who puts it on the floor in transition or on a rogue closeout rather than a guy who runs the offense is his… Read more »
Reggie Hammond? The new sheriff in town?
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Lol
Holland. I meant Holland. Reply with windmill if you read this.
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The misuse of Ante has been the biggest disaster by cLueless this season. Kid should had been getting 18+ minutes a night since the get go, or at least since it was obvious that both TT and Crowder were nowhere near what we thought and playing Love at the 5 was idiotic.
What a waste of talent. He’s probably 25% of where he should be, which to me, should be a solid backup if not starting center(before Nance Jr came here). Man I hate Lue…
Disagree. He was lost early on. The time in Canton was great for him and he’s playing really well now. Really easy to destroy a rookie’s confidence or lost the confidence of the vets in the player. He’s been Brought along nicely. Maybe he could’ve played a couple weeks earlier but those are quibbles.
Tanking injury update.
Hawks have apparently lost Bazemore for the season. Ditto Wes Matthews in Dallas. Evans is a game time decision for Memphis. Magic without Gordon, Fournier, & Ross at least a tad longer. Markannen dinged for the Bulls. Knicks are a MASH unit.
Nets healthy save for Lin & a slight ding for Allen. Sac also in pretty good shape.
Damn. Wes was helping Mavs lose.
I mean yay.
How can you say Sacramento is in pretty good shape when Shumpert hasn’t even played for them yet? /s
Nice piece as always. If we had a coach he would point out to clarkson that his responsibility is to pass to open korver. Then if he doesn’t do it. Call time, sit him for Calderon, and tell him to watch. Every time he screws it up, repeat. If he doesn’t get it after three games, he’s out of the rotation. This is how coaching works. You know, if we had a coach.
Lue doesn’t hold anyone accountable for anything. Or he is too stupid to see what is happening during the game & react: “Gotta look at the film.” Or both.
Hard to hold anyone accountable when you’re not held accountable for bad coaching habits… lol
https://twitter.com/FearTheSword/status/973978605003988993
Just speaks to the incredible stamina of LeBron…
Shump is also injured.
He forgot ty lue being brain dead.
https://twitter.com/joevardon/status/974323992889716736
I hate being right all the time…. previous knee damage for a player who likes to stop on a dime (which creates enormous force through the knee)…it was one of the only reasons I felt ok with him leaving the team. The future does not look bright for Uncle Drew.
https://www.celticsblog.com/2018/3/15/17124304/ainge-kyrie-irving-may-need-knee-surgery-in-one-of-the-next-few-offseasons-boston-celtics
IT: I don’t believe you had a migraine!!!!!
Randall: You about to join Ringling Bros!
https://twitter.com/espn/status/974138266919358465
So weird that every team Thomas is on is such a petty group that won’t let him just tell them what to do while he let’s guys to the lane every possession
I bet they are just having trouble adjusting to IT….
Back up that Brinks truck.
It’s insanely amazing how a player who’s almost one foot out the NBA, can make it even easier for GM’s not to want to hire him.
You know what you give a guy who has his powers back? The Brinks Truck.
Magic: “Yeah… about that Brinks Truck, Isaiah…”
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I’d give it to him if it was loaded with twinkies…
Or a lifetime supply of these…
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Great stuff Ben… At this point though, I could GAF about JR’s confidence… I’d keep Kyle in the starting lineup and give Hood most of the minutes off the bench. It’s not like JR has been even a decent defender this year…
Ya, I mean JR needs to be a professional at this point. It is what it is. If his production plummets but we win games because he’s not in the starting lineup, so be it.
We can’t spend our entire lives talking about players confidence , yes u do that for certain amount of time , after that you just play the best players , jr should not be getting minutes unless he’s playing with legit energy finished ! He had his chance ! I can’t believe we’re talking bout grown men here!
The one thing that worries me about kk starting wouldn’t be now during the season or even in the playoffs. But rather in the finals in the event we play gs he might be too big of a defensive liability to play real minutes with the starters. Just imagine kk getting switched onto draymond or klay or Durant. Mayb if iguodala keeps shooting at the pace he’s shooting we can have kk on him but not to get carried away he’s not a defensive player of the year candidate to say the least
There’s a lot that has to happen before this team even thinks about the Finals… also, the injured Splash Bros and more suspect bench undermine the certainty that it will be the Dubs in the Finals anyway… Korver is more playable against what the Rockets have…
Yes, the potential outcomes seem to range between the Cavs being ejected in the first round of the playoffs to winning another title.
Korver, if starting, would check Thompson. If GSWs offense devolves into Klay iso v KK, I could live with that.
I would take that in a heartbeat. If we get that far, and by no means is that guaranteed, and the Dubs are forced to go to Klay in the Iso, we’ve won.
Hey I hear what you guys are saying but klay in the iso on Korver is not a matchup we want klay is lethal all over the floor… he too is an underrated star that can do almost anything we all know about his shot but his ability to drive would kill it
Oops! Forgot the Nets update. Magic & Kings won last night. Wins:
18 = Grizz
19 = Suns
20 = Hawks
21 = Magic, Nets
22 = Mavs, Kings
23 = Bulls
24 = Knicks
Tonight:
Hornets at Hawks
76ers at Knicks
Bulls at Grizz
Suns at Utah
I think the absolute best the Nets pick could be heading into the lottery is #3. The Grizz have not won a game all year without Evans playing & the Suns are godawful.
Great article/analysis. Everything that Ben said is 100% true especially we don’t give kk enough credit for his defensive rotations which is something CLueless hasnt told anybody how to do. Kk is so awesome going through the screener with his hand up never fails us. And totally agree if he started would b great and mayb when hood comes back we can have Hill kk hood lbj and lnj or k love that would b a great rotation.
Great analysis. Lue remains our weakest link. Calderon should play as a 2nd PG to take the ball out of Clarkson’s hands. Let Jordan olay as the 2 with JR/Hood/Korver at the 3.
ben you brought your ‘A” game again—very good pts—-all in for keeping the ” korver starting experiment ” going —let’s see what happens —–very accurate on 2 pts —1)—korver is very underrated team dfender —–2) like klove he is the consummate professional and that attitude is also much needed —–3) ty is ‘stoneless’/ clueless and yes —our worse fears is when we get bodies healthy —korver / ante’s possibly even cedi’s minutes will be diminished ———–on another subject —watched the lakers game and even though “DRAINO ‘ put up some numbers —-he is NOT going to help that team ——–if… Read more »
Excellent analysis as always, Ben. Here’s to hoping Lue sees the light.