Recap: Cleveland 120, Phoenix 95 (Surviving the Tankathon)
2018-03-24The Cavaliers dispatched the pride of the Scottsdale YMCA Mens’ league, Friday night with relative ease. You can’t convince me that was an actual NBA team the Cavs were playing. The most important Cavalier developments happened elsewhere in the NBA, anyway. The “Suns” were without the best of their lineup, sophomore phenom Devin Booker, and in his absence were led by Troy Daniels (20 points), Marquis Chriss (19 points, 10 rebounds), and Josh Jackson (17 points on 20 shots). The game mattered little, and even the Chill Mode Cavs had no problem after a slow start that saw them down 23-27 at the end of the first.
Cleveland more than doubled up in the second, outscoring Phoenix 39-18 in the period. They kept the Suns at arm’s length the rest of the night, and most of the Cavs starters were able to sit out the final quarter. LeBron was his normal brilliant self, with 27, six, and nine dimes in 27 minutes. George Hill was a ridiculous +32 in 26 minutes and while he only scored seven with five boards, he played exceptionally good defense on Phoenix’s lousy guards finishing with two blocks and a steal. Jose Calderon had the steal of the night early as he caught Payton napping (or Elfrid couldn’t see through his hair), and casually stole the ball and took it down the court for two with a classic “old man at the Y” finish.
Kevin Love looked sharp, despite going 2-6 from downtown, and Cleveland worked to get him the ball on the move and on the block. Kev finished with 20 and six and added a handful of steals (mostly off rancid Phoenix passes) to put a +28 imprint on the game. The second quarter belonged to Kevin, JR, George, and Clarkson as they led the attack with Clarkson attacking the rack and J.R. bombing away (3-5) from downtown, and George bringing the D.
Clarkson did go 5-14, but three of those misses were on putbacks, and his 0-2 from downtown were on catch-and-shoot kickouts. If the Cavs can find a way to balance Clarkson’s ball dominance and his ability to get scorching hot, they’ve got a real bench scorer on their hands. I didn’t see him take any especially egregious shots and his ability to attack in isolation is going to be an asset.
The best in-game development was probably the return of Larry Nance who finished with 15 and 10. He missed a couple jumpers, so all his points came from point blank. Larry scored six on putbacks, and the rest came on lane fills, rim runs, and post finishes. Larry and Kevin rebounding is sooo much better than Jeff Green. The best starting lineup for this team is Calderon, Hill, James, Kev, and Larry: five great passers who can all play without the ball, and four great shooters. Larry’s ability to flash and dunk everything would make that lineup absolutely deadly.
Rodney Hood got back on the floor too, but still has a ways to go to be the player the Cavs need him to. Rod was 4-8 from the field, but was a team low -11. Rodney seems to prefer to drive to the mid-post and get into his mid-range game, and he can get that southpaw push/hook shot off against just about anyone and shoot it with a good percentage. But from the three line, he looks like he is not getting square and angling his left shoulder too far forward, causing him to go long on his shots (0-2 from downtown). I hope he’s a redeemable player, but his atrocious RPM with Utah may not have been an illusion. Hood just seems to drift a lot and not make much of a positive impact on the game when he’s in. Getting Rodney going should be a top priority for the Cavs coaching staff.
The backup big man spot seemed to cause some controversy in the live thread. Ante Zizic got pushed to the deep bench with the return of Tristan Thompson, and it caused no shortage of hand wringing. But let me defend coach Drew for a minute. The Cavs know Zizic can play, but they have to figure out if TT can give them anything, and get him back into game shape. He looked slow, heavy, and still unable to finish as he went 2-7 from the floor. Yes, he grabbed 10 rebounds, but a couple of him were on his own terrible misses. One positive development: he does seem to be using his body better on the d-boards, getting his butt into guys and sealing for possession. He’s going to have to, since he appears to have turned into late career Reggie Evans. Still, the Cavs need to know what TT can give them going into the playoffs, hopefully he can get back into shape and give them something.
Ante only played five minutes, but went 2-2 with a nice jumper from the foul line and a post-up which featured a very soft sweeping right hand hook shot. The dude is a field goal percentage maven.
LeBron was his normal brilliant self. I put the highlights up top, but my favorites are the second, third, and penultimate. Early on in the first, James shows some early chemistry with Calderon: first, LeBron rolls on the left wing p/r and flushes a lob. Then he boards and spots Jose leaking out and throws a touchdown for for an easy deuce. Don’t tell me LeBron wouldn’t have been the greatest QB in NFL history. Finally, he steals, spins through three Scottsville Y guys in transition, knocks over Jared “Dadbod” Dudley, and banks the ball in for an and-1. For comparison sake, James is about seven months older than Jared. Hail to the King.
Around the League
Huge development in Golden State as Steph Curry sprained his left MCL. Early speculation I’ve read puts the timetable from 10-30 days for Steph’s return. An offseason full of Warrior excuses awaits. While I don’t think it affects the Warriors’ chances long term other than to confirm that Steph is gimpy and that the Dubs were unbelievably fortunate when it comes to injuries during their two championships, what it does do is give the Cavs hope. The Warriors are not indestructible, and the Eastern conference playoffs are going to be a war. With their recent win against the Raptors, the Cavs have a legit shot to slice through the East and win a championship.
In other news, a late Raptor comeback downed the Nets 116-112. Here’s how things stand right now in the NBA race to the bottom according to the hilarious named website, tankathon.com.
It’s going to be a harrowing few weeks for Guffman, as a win streak could prove brutal. Fortunately, the Nets schedule isn’t easy and there are a lot of teams jockeying for playoff position on their schedules. Orlando is seemingly playing every terrible team in the league over next few weeks, so the we get some relief there, but a back-to-back against Chicago, looks very much like a leapfrog event for the Bulls. These games are going to be ridiculous. The season ends with a Mavericks/Suns matchup. I fully expect to see both teams call up eighth graders for that match-up.
The ridiculousness of tanking seems even worse this year than it did five years ago when I wrote about it. In “on tanking” I quoted a Malcolm Gladwell statement that rings more true now than ever. Until Sunday, Cavs Fans.
You simply cannot have a system that rewards anyone, ever, for losing. Economists worry about this all the time, when they talk about “moral hazard.” Moral hazard is the idea that if you insure someone against risk, you will make risky behavior more likely. So if you always bail out the banks when they take absurd risks and do stupid things, they are going to keep on taking absurd risks and doing stupid things … If you give me a lottery pick for being an atrocious GM, where’s my incentive not to be an atrocious?
Live Thread is up…
Looks like Osman, Green, & Korver out for this one. I would go with:
Starters: Calderon, Hill, James, Love, Nance.
Bench: Clarkson, JR, Hood, Zizic, TT.
Might also go Love at the 5 with Hood/JR at the 3. Nets are undersized so we can play small some.
I think Carter from Duke and that PG from UK have increased their draft stock a lot recently. Not into the top tier, but close.
Top: Doncic, Ayton
Next: Bagley, Jackson, Bamba
Then: Porter
Top 11: Young, Bridges (Nova), Carter, Sexton, Gilgeous-Alexander.
PG: Young, Sexton, Gilgeous-Alexander
SG/PG: Doncic (some SF)
SG/SF: Bridges
SF/PF: Porter
PF/C: Bagley, Jackson
C: Ayton, Bamba, Carter
I would love to land top 6, but if we don’t we could still land a very good player.
Fwiw, NBAdraft.Net has the Cavs taking Carter at 7
Only the Magic won last night. Mavs & Grizz fell short. Bulls blown out. Wins:
19 = Suns, Grizzlies
21 = Hawks
22 = Magic, Mavs
23 = Nets
24 = Kings, Bulls
26 = Knicks
Tonight:
Cavs at Nets
Knicks at Wiz
Celtics at Kings
Hawks at Rockets
That back to back against the Bulls terrifies me
Yeah. Bulls are full tank. Benching Lopez & Holiday. Now Dunn & LaVine are out.
Nets are fully healthy save for Lin. Wouldn’t mind a slight knock for DeLo, Dinwiddie, Crabbe, Carroll, RHJ, or Lavert here at the end.
In terms of reform, I am in favor of all the lottery teams getting an equal shot at #1. Simple.
It is not rewarding failure so much as realizing that a permanent top/bottom of the league does mire damage to the league than a more competitive one.
Not a bad idea. But, my preferred alternative would be the #1 team (at the end of the regular season) would get 1 number, second place team gets 2 numbers, on through the last team gets 30 numbers, and then draw for first round picking order. This is a total of 465 numbers, so the #1 team has about a 0.215% chance of getting the first pick, and the last team gets a 6.45% chance of getting it. You would have to tank 5 spots to get about a 1% better chance of getting the first pick. This would greatly… Read more »
Nate. I understand your frustration over the bottom of the nba being “rewarded”, but simply put, if Cleveland and Oakland got the top picks the last four years they would never relinquish their standings at the top. And this, would always be getting the top picks. If I’m a fan of another team why watch? Ever? If there are two teams that are going to always win and get the top picks. Beside every sport I know of the worst picks first. See Cleveland Browns in 2018.
Yeah pretty much. Nothing worse than being a small market team that can’t attract free agents stuck in the first rounds of the playoffs until your productive players leave for greener pastures. Lottery did well for the Cavs even without the largest odds for multiple number one picks. At least you get a better shot to draft multiple lottery (top 3 by literal definition) picks in the current odds.
In other words, it is not guaranteed that a team with a lower record gets a number one even with the current odds. The Cavs are the very example of this. Why punish other teams then, when there is already no guarantee of getting a top pick. For small market teams, a number one pick in a year with only one franchise player could mean the difference between irrelevance in terms of making the playoffs with a core that cannot compete with big market teams in the era of super teams and actual contending. In the era of super teams,… Read more »
And for anyone that points to the Spurs, both David Robinson and Tim Duncan were number one picks that were considered that couldn’t miss. That started the snowball that became the Pop Spurs. The Spurs got a massive increase in their draft odds for the number one during the 1997 draft because Robinson was out. Let the chips fall where they may.
The Spurs totally tanked to get Duncan. As I recall, the got Elvin Hayes out of retirement, and ran the offense so he would take all the shots, thus moving up the all time scoring list, and losing all the games. Anyone have the details?
Because you’re destroying your product and winning culture around the league. It’s a huge free rider problem.
Yeah, then break up super teams. If the only way to even have a chance now is having multiple superstars, then you can’t expect small markets to compete without tanking. Because they won’t be able to sign top tier FAs and without a supporting cast their talent will bolt.
Cavs from deep this year(Cavs only #s for the new guys):
Player, %, Makes
1) Calderon 46.8%, 36
2) Korver 44.0%, 160
3) Love 40.9%, 115
4) Clarkson 39.8%, 33
5) Osman 39.1%, 25
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6) JR 37.1%, 131
7) LeBron 36.7%, 130
8) Hill 36.1%, 22
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9) Hood 30.4%, 14
10) Green 30.1%, 43
Rodney needs to step it up.
Green needs to step it down
FWIW Korver is 5th in the league & has a shot to lead the league again. Collison (Ind) at 45.1%, Ingles (Utah) 44.5%, Klay (GSW) at 44.3%, Bullock (Det) 44.2% & Kyle at 44.0%.
Hill is 12th for his overall season (just ahead of Steph). Love is just out of the top 20.
CONGRATS TO THE RAMBLERS OF LOYOLA—–WHAT A STORY !!!
They’ve looked good. No fluke. Fla St looks like they’ll give Michigan a tough game…deep and they really defend. Not giving UM a shooting drill from three like A&M did – that was ugly.
Fla St. would probably be dominating if they weren’t so shaky with the ball. 9 TOs already, and several other close ones. On the other hand, they’ve gotten some nice steals and blocks themselves. Lot of tall athletes on that team.
Seconded. They’re not done yet.
With all the one & dones, we are going to see mid majors win it more often. Butler was close. Gonzaga was close. Memphis was close.
Villanova is mid-major in a way. So was UNLV.
I hope they win the whole thing.
congrats to SVSM ON ANOTHER STATE TITLE / BOYS BASKETBALL——isn’t that enough for LeBron to stay here and have his sons carry on his / and svsm’s legacy —-let’s hope so !!
Coach Joyce has done a great job with that program since LBJ left.
Channing Frye
JR Smith
Kyrie Irving
Tristian Thompson
Those are the 4 players we need to replace prduction from in order to have a similar team to last year talent wise.
Nance = Prime TT
Hill = Prime JR
Comittee = Prime Channing
So Im still kinda nervous talent wise we never replaced Kyrie. Maybe the bench mob being better is enough? We unfortunatley havent developed better plays, chemistry, or defense to fill in the gap.
Clarkson…duh
Yep. Clarkson doesn’t replace what Kyrie was. I never even loved ky’s game, but I am realistic when it comes to how this team plays and what that translates to for the finals.
Of course not, but it is about winning, no matching player for player.
So play TT the next 5 gamed and see what he has to offer? At that point if he’s not where he needs to be I’d say give Zz the next 5 games after that to get himself in place for the playoffs.
What’s the earliest but safest timetable for a baby to be born without any issues whatsoever?
If zz doesn’t start getting in 5 games from now (after tt confirms to us that he didn’t come back from the dead) than it’s a crime ! He needs to be ready to come in with 2nd unit as the big man in the playoffs
still having hope for HOOD —-returns to the player he was in Utah—-17ppg—-dangerous 3 pt shooter / saw glimpses of that his 1st couple of games then ………….?—–maybe more “DREW ‘coaching —-less “TY ‘ coaching will help him
I think he’ll get there. His play is simple but effective, kinda like KK’s. I’m sure moving to a new city isn’t easy midseason. Give him a few more games to get back into playing tempo, he’ll be okay.
LeBron looks like an immortal being. Something out of a comic book
Good stuff and a good point about seeing what TT has.
I will say the following regarding the lineup:
1) TT should absolutely NOT start & needs to prove he is the #2 center over Ante.
2) Neither Hood nor JR is a starter, but both should be in the rotation.
3) The 5th starter should be Calderon or Korver. Though you have to watch the minutes for both. James, Love, Nance, & Hill the others.
I go outa my mind from smiths defense, I personally think korver needs to start over jose, I don’t thing ultimately in the finals we’re gonna want jose as our starting pg
I agree korver should b in there he also is a pretty good all around defender in the sense that we don’t have breakdowns and we don’t get worse with him. I’m not saying he’s all nba defensive team but he uses a high iq and always is in the right position
as difficult this is —I do agree with you nate as far as the “giving ” T.T. MORE MINUTES —-THEY HAVE TO FIND OUT FOR SURE WHAT HE CAN DO / OR NOT DO –to make the playoff decision on minutes / rotations / etc —here is hoping that THEY ALL SEE WHAT WE HERE ON CTB SEE —-ANTE IS MORE DESERVING THAN T.T.
KI trade recap: http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2018/03/kyrie_irving_threatened_knee_s.html#incart_big-photo
Anyone know his timetable yet? Curious to see how long it actually keeps him out. The celts probably go out in the first round if he isn’t back.
Best case, back for first round of playoffs. Worst case, miss the entire first round. These injuries typically take 3-6 weeks.
And suddenly. a significant opportunity for Lebron to get another ring. #playthegame #alwaysbeready
What do you mean “Suddenly”?
Maybe the Curry injury?
You didn’t think there was a significant opportunity before?
I didn’t. Even with the new additions, a healthy gs team is such a huge moutain to climb. Like K2 but without oxygen.
There is a reason why they play the games. Check out what side LeBron is on.
I understand, but that didn’t make much of a difference last year even with Kyrie. The cavs still play the same way without Kyrie, but with more ISO from LBJ, and what amounts to more of a load on him. I don’t think that is sustainable against a fully healthy gs. Last year it certainly wasn’t. As much I I like some of the new additions, I don’t think we are a better team. We might be equal to last year which doesn’t move the needle.
10-30 days means he will likely be back during the first round. But who knows?
If Curry misses the first round (or more), the Dubs could have an issue. OKC or SA in round 1 is not out of the question.
Let’s be honest -Warriors will cruise with or without curry at least until houston
Yeah. I think they beat Houston even without Curry.
I mean wasn’t TT more or less back in shape before he went down? I think it is clear now what he can do. He just is a shell of what he once was, which wasn’t tremendous to begin with. Regardless I am sure he will split time with Nance equally and maybe even start when Lue comes back, because you just can’t make long term adjustments. That isn’t part of coaching. If hood can’t find his shot and offense, he may be a net negative because I don’t see him becoming a lock down defender. Still, JR seems to… Read more »
He was supposed to have been ready at the beginning of the season and looked like a benchwarmer. Not sure what the point of playing him now is. It’s extremely obvious that Zz is the more talented of the two.
Jr against the suns was so lost on defense it’s really scary if lue thinks he can play him in the playoffs what can happen. Just by watching the replays of the game against the suns he seems totally disinterested in any individual or team defense. Likes playing a lot of free safety like Lebron just his basketball iq is a quarter of lbj
Yeah. I think JR is on the tail end of his productiveness as a player.
Did you mean western conference is going to be a war?
I think you’re dead on about your LeBron as QB. I’m trying to think why it wouldn’t be the case and can’t think of anything. He sees the court/field better than anyone, he’s the size of D End, he’s blazing fast, and certainly would have the arm.
Really good point. With his vision, size, strength, speed, arm, work ethic, etc., he would have been far and away the best QB ever. Think of how broken plays would go if he took off running: he would be past all the big guys in a second, and cornerbacks would be hanging on to him without being able to bring him down.