Five on Five: 2018 Playoff Edition
2018-04-141. Now that we’ve put a bizarre regular season behind us, what was your favorite moment? Least favorite?
Cory Hughey: My favorite moments of the season were the personal stories of Kevin Love and Nick Gilbert. Love was finally fully embraced after his essay on his experience of having a panic attack and learning to deal with his anxiety. We can be a very divided fanbase, but I can’t imagine that anyone wasn’t rooting for Nick Gilbert during his recovery from his brain surgery. Dan Gilbert take WAY more heat than he should from us, but the first line in his Twitter bio isn’t about Quicken Loans, or being “the Fathead dude,” it simply says “family man.”
The Isaiah experience was the pits. I feel for the guy for playing hurt for the Celtics after shockingly losing his little sister, but he had to go.
Justin May: Easily my favorite moment, or moments really, was when we got the news about the trades at the deadline. The excitement was palpable. Least favorite moment? Any time Tristan Thompson steps on the court. He hasn’t looked good from day one.
Nate Smith: J.R. Smith threw soup at Damon Jones. Seriously J.R. Smith. Threw. Soup. At Damon. Jones. Poor Damon was probably sitting there running his yap, kicking his leg up to keep J.R. from stealing his hoagie, and eventually, J.R.’d had enough and winged a bowl of chicken tortilla at poor Damon. Was soup dripping from his grill? Was he scalded? Did J.R. ruin a perfectly good hoodie? Inquiring minds want to know. Least favorite? Trading Richard Jefferson to keep Derrick freaking Rose.
Evil Genius: Outside of the highlight reel of poster dunks LeBron James executed in his 15th season… my favorite moment was probably deadline day when Koby Altman started to undo the the damage that was done in the summer. It turned a fairly depressing march towards the abyss and the inevitability of LeBron leaving this disaster in his rear view into at least a positive upward direction. I liked feeling that I was wrong about the rookie GM of this team in the best possible way. I also liked that it seemed to truly energize LeBron again. The outcome (thus far) hasn’t been without it’s bumps in the road, but if this team can make it back to the Finals, it’s a hell of an accomplishment by all involved. Least favorite moment is a five way tie between: every moment the Cavs wear those awful grey uniforms; every time Jeff Green shoots a three; every time Isaiah Thomas opened his mouth; every moment Tristan Thompson is on the floor; and every time Ty Lue has to “watch the tape” to see what happened.
Tom Pestak: My favorite moment was during the honeymoon period of the new trade, specifically when Larry Nance Jr. set a few screens and rolled hard to the glass, demanding at least a glance from a help-side big man which left Jordan Clarkson wide open for a corner 3 off a LeBron pass. Â Some injuries set in which shortened the honeymoon period, but the Cavs got into a groove once Kevin Love came back. Â Zach Lowe chronicled the state of the Cavs nicely.
The Cavs with Love at center are unstoppable. The only way to beat them is to outscore them. Only one team — last season’s Warriors — has managed that in the playoffs.
Watching that totally unstoppable offense with the best offensive version of LeBron James anyone has ever seen was a joy.  Watching the Cavs get embarrassed on a nightly basis only to continue doing the same things (namely, playing Isaiah Thomas) was not a joy.  Watching a lifeless LeBron staring into the abyss was supremely unpleasant.  I also got irritated with the media (and eventually Cavs fans) piling on the organization when thing started going south.  The Cavs are not a bad organization.  They take gigantic swings and sometimes they twist themselves into the ground when they miss.  They do this because when LeBron is wearing the Wine and Gold, it’s always championship or bust time and he doesn’t do anything to help alleviate that pressure.
2. On a scale of one to 2017 Golden State, how concerned are you about the Pacers (and why)?
Cory: In the season previews, I thought the Pacers would surprise the league and just miss the playoffs. They drastically exceeded that. Oladipo finally played up to his pre-draft hype, and maybe it was the dysfunction of Orlando, and being a spectator during the Westbrook stat hog campaign that held him back. Myles Turner is going to be an All-Star some day, and they WON the Paul George deal. I just don’t think this is the year they can really challenge LeBron and company. I’d give them a threat level of 2.
Nate: I’m at a four. I put this series right below the 2015 Bulls series. The Pacers have a lot of Cavs killers including the Ear Whisperer, but ultimately, the Cavs offense should prove too much for them to handle.
Tom: 2015 Bulls concerned. Â The Cavs could find themselves down 3-1 if they’re careless and are forced to play at a slow pace because they can’t actually ever stop the Pacers. Â I just don’t want the Pacers believing they can win. Â The Cavs have done well to break the spirit of a lot of Eastern Conference teams early on. Â You don’t want to mess around with Indiana and Victor YOLOdipo.
Justin:Â I would rate them at about 2015 Bulls. Yes, they took two games from the Cavs, but it never should have been that close. The team was still jelling and LeBron had to get heroic at one point. Hopefully this time around they have less trouble.
E.G: Logic (and the rusty sieve that is the Cavs defense) tells me I should be at least a little concerned about the Pacers… like Bulls in the second round of 2015 concerned. However, the last few times these two teams squared off, the Cavs were starting or giving heavy minutes to guys like Isaiah Thomas, Tristan Thompson, Jae Crowder and Derrick Rose. None of those guys will be around for the playoffs (okay TT might see some garbage time), so that in itself is a victory. Oladipo is legit scary, but even though the games might be close, I’m not overly concerned about the Cavs’ chances of advancing.
3. Who are the biggest x-factors for both teams?Â
E.G.: I’ll go with the shooters here… it’s going to come down to how well and frequently either Bojan Bogdanovic or Kevin Love can hit their three balls. Each has the capacity to change the game on their team’s side of things if they get hot at the right times. Both are shooting above 40% from downtown for the season (with Kev slightly better at 41.5 vs. 40.2 for Bojan), and will be key if Bron and Dipo cancel each other out scoring wise.
Tom: If X-Factor still means “Lamar Odom-type” – a non star that can become a star for a four minute stretch and just ruin you, I’ll go with Darren Collison, the NBA’s leader in 3-point Field Goal Percentage. Â The Cavs have had success over the years slowing down a single guard: Rose, Lowry, IT, Teague, even Curry. Â They will probably come up with some schemes to try to keep Yolo Vic from going nova. Â They just don’t have enough perimeter defense in the backcourt to also keep Collison from getting a ton of good looks. Â For the Cavs, I think the X-Factor will be George Hill. Â He’s seen plenty of grueling playoff series and I think we’re good for at least one “George Hill Game”.
Nate:Â Lance Stevenson would be the logical answer for Indy, but I’m going with Bojan Bogdonovic. I just got a feeling he’s going to be the scrub fuego who goes off for a couple games. For the Cavs, I’m guessing J.R. Here’s the thing. Swish isn’t what you’d call forensic basketball analyst, but the dude does have a nose for bullshit. He knew it was bullshit when he was playing for Phil Jackson in New York, and Swish acted like a jackass. J.R. absolutely knows that the NBA regular season has become complete bullshit. Now that he got PAID$$$, why should he remotely try to extend himself in 82 mostly meaningless games? But he’s rounding into playoff form. Ever since he’s gone to the bench, he’s been a factor, and while his defense hasn’t been great, it has been ok in stretches. He’s posting a zero plus/minus, but he’s also shooting the lights out at 47% from downtown. With Jose, Kyle, J.R., and Clarkson all rotating through the second unit with LeBron and Kevin, they’re going to be murderous from behind the line. I’m betting J.R. wins a game by himself.
Cory: It’s definitely Lance Stephenson for the Pacers. His history with LeBron goes back years, and if he’s zoned in, he’s a terror on both ends of the court. Hopefully Moondog brings some of his friends to the locker room, and J.R. matches Lance’s output.
4. What improvement are you most hoping to see from the Cavaliers now that the playoffs are here?
Cory: Defense! The March 21st matchup with the Raptors was a turning point for me. The undermanned Cavs gave up 79 points to the Raptors in the first half, then held them to 50 in the second half. They can do it. Now just do it.
Tom: Well, defense of course. Â I hope to see the Cavs never surprised by what the Pacers try to run. Â The Cavs advance to the Finals every year because they have LeBron James and other talented players and they out-execute basic sets much better than their opponents. Â They generate “easy” baskets easier than their opponents. Â The danger is when their defense is so inept and the other team is leaning forward and running downhill and the balance tilts the other way. Â They don’t need to be a better defensive team than anyone else, they just need to force the other team into some challenging situations here and there. Â In the regular season they waste so much time experimenting with lineups or playing Isaiah Thomas or being in chill mode that they never really lock in against a specific team – they’re always more concerned with big picture stuff. Â Playoffs is all about little picture stuff. Â Every game matters.
Nate: I’d go for logical rotations, and data driven lineups, but I’ll settle for actually giving a crap. I think about 35% of regular season analytics apply to this team (which makes the first part of my insistence fairly ironic). And that’s why this team team is so maddening. Ty Lue has to coach by gut because the regular season data means so little. And generally don’t trust his gut. But everyone playing hard for four quarters, running actual set plays that require some screening, making quick decisions when things aren’t working, etc. will be what most helps this team (fingers crossed).
Justin: I’m hoping to see mediocre defense. All season long they’ve basically been letting teams walk all over them defensively. It would go a long way if they could establish a sensible scheme. Long shot, I know.
5. What other first round matchup most intrigues you?
Cory: It’s gotta be Rockets/Timberwolves. It’s got an Ocean’s 8 star-studded cast with Harden, Paul, Towns, and Butler, and a pair of the biggest name directors in basketball in D’Antoni, and Thibodeau. I’m really excited for the contrasting styles. It’ll be like when I had my crumby studio apartment with free electricity in college and I would blast the air-conditioner and heater at the same time to see which would win. Ultimately the air-conditioner gave up.
Justin: Easily the most exciting first round matchup is going to be the Thunder vs the Jazz. The Jazz are clicking at the right time so it ought to be interesting
Tom: The only thing that would surprise me is the Cavs actually losing the series. Â I could see it going 4, 5, or 6 with almost equal likelihood. Â Seven would surprise me a little bit. Â Losing would actually shock me. Â It wouldn’t have last season. Â And I know The Pacers might be better this year, I just think the Cavs might go nuts.
Justin: Cavs take the Pacers in five. ‘Bron won’t want to lose more than one game to them.
E.G.: I really want to say four closely contested ones… but since the Cavs historically have a hard time at the Bankers Life Fieldhouse… I’ll be safe and concede five.
Nate: Five. Average score: 120-110.
Cory: No answer…
As I suspected they are going to make KLove play defense.
I see the Celtics and the Sixers and I wonder if this will the Cavs last season being relevant in the Eastern conference? Even if LeBron stays that is. Both of those teams are going to be really good next season if they stay healthy.
live thread up
I actually really hope Celtics beat Bucks so we get to peep Stevens defensive schemes on 76ers
Watching Celtics/Bucks now. Celtics just don’t seem to have much talent and if Bucks take it to them should beat them easily. Listened to a long segment with David Griffin on Sirius radio yesterday. He was effusive about Tyron Lue’s defensive coaching abilities and went on about how any coach watching a lot of regular season film would be wasting their time. I’m concerned about LBJ playing 82 games. Really it was a dumb thing to have him playing at all in the last game. Hopefully, the Cavs can make short work of the Pacers and get a real rest… Read more »
It’l be cavs raptors for sure
Initial thoughts on already played playoff games….Warriors seem fine so far w/o Curry, Spurs look old and not any good; Pelicans/Blazers will be hell of a series…Wizards blew huge opportunity to get a win in Game 1, still think this series goes 6….Philly looks good but Heat have zero offense and no threats, that series may go 4, but maybe Heat pull a win out at home to extend to 5
Sputs don’t have enough firepower without Kawhi. If they had him healthy and in NBA shape, they could probably have a decent shot at a Curryless Warrior team.
I think the Warriors have learned from LBJ about putting too much into the regular season. They are going to roll until they get to Houston. Then, if they have Curry they will likely crush them as well. If Curry isn’t %100 then it will be a fun series.
I’m anxious to see how the new guys will react to the playoff atmosphere.
If the Cavs backcourt can find a way to provide an average of 25-30 ppg that would help a lot.
How is it that Cleveland sports always take such an outsized role in pop culture independent of LeBron? 2 minutes into the SNL weekend update monologue and they’ve already mentioned the browns and Tristan. I swear Cleveland sports come up in life way more than any other small market team.
Browns are an incredibly easy target. The Kardashians are intertwined with dumb celebrity pop culture. Anything that relates to them is news in that dumb sphere of entertainment.
Random article about Elon Musk that starts off by referring to him as a Delly Doppelganger lol…
https://gizmodo.com/overrated-human-elon-musk-says-humans-are-underrated-1825264384
Odds that the Cavs win it all:
Pacers (0.80)
Raptors (0.75)
Sixers (0.50)
Warriors (0.25)
Bottom line: 7.5% chance to win it all. Almost one ping pong ball out the of ten. I like those numbers.
Go Cavs!
Odds that the Cavs win it all:
Pacers (0.80)
Raptors (0.75)
Sixers (0.50)
Warriors (0.25)
Bottom line: 7.5% chance to win it all. Almost one ping pong ball out the of ten. I like those numbers.
Go Cavs!
Biggest X factor for me in this series is George Hill. He is the only one of the new guys with any significant playoff experience and I expect him to fare well against his old team. On offense, we need a steady 10-14 ppg and him to hit open 3s. Defensively is where he’ll make his mark and when we saw flashes of this team being light years better than when we had IT – need him to make things though for Collison/Oladipo.
The Cavs should force Oladipo and Collison to get rid of the ball and have guys like Lance, Turner, bog dan score the points for Pacers….thats best bet for the series to end quickly. Pacers don’t have anyone to guard Lebron well at all. Green has advantage and I think Cavs depth will be the difference. Still might see this go 5, think Pacers get Game 3 this time unlike last year. GO CAVS!
TBH I expected more from the Trailblazers. Not from the Heat, but wow AD going beserk at the right time. I have missed the last few days of talk, matching last year’s effort of driving into the remote parts of Western Australia during the playoffs. Sensible? No. And opportunity to spread the gospel of the Cavs? Well, obviously. In a few days I will be at a place called Ningaloo Reef, which is one of the few places in the world you can swim alongside the Whale Shark. When I meet one, I fully expect it will already have heard… Read more »
Sounds awesome, but I would be terrified of being around such a massive water creature. :)
I fully expect to fill my shorts. Again, the whale shark is likely to be unsurprised.
So jealous. Scuba? I guess. It would have to be.
Larry Nance Jr Postseason Blog http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/news/features/nance-blog-180414
I didn’t stay up to watch it, but pretty huge win for the Pels on the road…any team that has Davis is dangerous…
Hahahahaha!
https://twitter.com/HammerNation19/status/985315440443510784?s=19
They’ll also regret giving away IT…
A couple other things. Bellineli hit some absurd shots. Philly also passes well as a team and they do a nice job of moving off ball whether with cutters or shooters. They have four guys you absolutely cannot leave open in Reddick, Bellinelli, Saric, and Ilyasova. They also have a streaky guy who can hit threes and can torch you if he is on in Covington. You could argue Ilyasova is in that vein but he has always seemed fairly consistent in hitting open threes. Lastly, they are crazy long even without Embiid. Wonder how they play when he comes… Read more »
Also didn’t realize they are third in d rating this year. Largely because of Embiid.
They lead the league in passes per game. Only behind GSW in assists per game. Lead the league in rebounds per game. Third in defensive rating as you said. They are really well coached. Brett Brown should get more consideration for coach of the year.
Yeah credit to the sixers for knowing they gave him hot garbage to work with all those years and then rewarding him by keeping him around for the good part. Must of sucked for him, but clearly it is paying off now.
Well the sixers are really really good and still scary hot. Almost glad we hopefully will be facing Toronto next round. The Process has reached a level I don’t think anyone anticipated this year.
Agreed, they are really good and I believe they are going to surprise a lot of people and I hope the Cavs are not included in those that are going to be surprised.
Okay I may have been wrong with my prediction of the Heat beating Philly.
I was kinda on board with you…I guess I didnt think Simmons is as good as young lebron, but he is almost the same player. Surround him with shooters and he wrecks your d
Yeah he’s a beast!
I think he’s more Magic Johnson IMO. Simmons doesn’t care about scoring… just like Magic.
Also nowhere near the shooter LBJ was at that stage. Not that LBJ was good, but he did shoot 35% from three his second year on 4 attempts per game. Actually pretty a decent number for a volume scorer back then. Simmons doesn’t have range beyond 16 feet at this point.
Definitely… was gonna mention that too.
The thing that excites me the most about Simmons is how he reads the game. It’s throwback to great PGs such as Magic, Stockton… I think he may even read the game more purely than LBJ because he’s not a volume shooter/scorer. Hope he stays healthy!!!
For sure. He is a true point. I actually think he is a more gifted passer. He has an insanely preternatural talent for hitting cutters through insanely tight spaces. His court vision is absurd.
Agreed. I find him to be a very different player from Lebron.
I just don’t think they have the scoring. Series may go 6 or 7, though.
It wasn’t absurd given Embiid’s injury and the lack of PO experience for Simmons/Embiid/Covington. And Spo’s coaching chops.
But they just do not have the horses. Still, Belinelli, Ilyasova, & Redick were lights out in the same game.
Sixers are good … but this is also the heat
Belinelli has a pretty punchable face!
The best.
Can of whoop-ass!
Ilyasova is beasting. Too bad he did not come here.
Sixers are the funnest team in the league. After the Cavs, definitely pulling for them.
Simmons with a filthy crossover and dunk
I loathe his haircut, but think how much better the Cavs would be if you swapped JR with Covington…
JR has been 47% (or was it 48%) from deep since going to the bench. 50% in last year’s POs.
Covington is a much better defender. Hopefully JR ups it for money time.
Yeah, defensively there is no comparison…Covington would be huge as a perimeter defender for the Cavs…
Mikal Bridges, my friend. Mikal. Bridges.
Gents, nice Five on Five. My favorite moment: What cannot be stressed enough is that the Cavs turned a disastrous situation (the Kyrie trade) into a possible Finals return… basically, Koby netted them Clarkson, Nance, Hood, Hill, Zizic, and that Brooklyn pick–four rotation players, one who should/could be, and a future asset. The present and future were both tended to, with LeBron/no LeBron both weighed as well. And, oh yeah, Kyrie’s knee kept him out of the playoffs anyway. I never wished ill on him, but if it’s true he threatened to sit the season out to spite the Cavs,… Read more »