
Playoff Live Thread: Cavs vs. Pacers (Game 7, The Skip Feed)
2018-04-29The previous three potential Cavalier playoff exits were all about the present: In 2015 through 2017, the wine and gold were playing for a championship in that moment. This afternoon, though? The Cavs aren’t playing for a championship. They’re playing for their future: the next series, the playoffs, the future of this franchise for possibly the next five years. It’s a lot to expect for a young squad not to look into the future and focus on the moment at hand. Playing with LeBron James provides for constant distractions. Heck, our fans can’t even stay enthused. Thankfully, I think Game 6 was an intercepted skip feed: it led to a runout, but the series is still theirs.
As for the Cavs roster, there was still some mystery as of last night. George Hill is questionable with Ty Lue simply saying Hill “moved around pretty good so we will see.” Ty was also cagey with the lineup, hinting that they may need more size to contend with Indy inside. I’d love to see Larry in the starting (and especially closing) lineup, but I doubt it happens. Still, I’m picking the Cavs this game, for no other reason than that they tend to bounce back in games like this, and the extended rest at the end of Game 6 will be good for all involved. They’ve just got to stay loose and play without fear, especially Kevin Love. I hope J.R. hooked Kev up with some of the good-good last night to loosen him up (joking). James himself looks loose, after “coaching” his son to another victory yesterday. I hope to see more of these on the St. V’s sidelines in coming years.
To give you a more extended preview and series recap, I’ll turn you over to long time CtBer, Right Down Euclid (the first), who penned this piece on our relationship and Indy’s relationship with LeBron James.
First time contributor/long time commenter/one time hitchhiker Right Down Euclid here. I’ve found myself with a bit more time on my hands lately and as I started typing out a lengthy response to EG’s Game 5 recap a few nights ago, I realized I had the beginnings of a full-fledged CTB post on my hands and now here I am. See kids: anything is possible!
Just a couple of games ago I finally learned from Nate what a skip feed is after hearing Fred McLeod mention it so many times and I decided it would be a great name for this potential periodical. A skip feed, whereby a player passes from one side of the floor to the other while bypassing an intermediate player, is a great analogy for the glory and pain of playing with LeBron. And in one of our many shared similarities, it’s also a great analogy for how my mind works and the glory and pain of working with me.
As we’ve long agonized (particularly lately) at CTB, LeBron consistently eschews system and scheme in favor of his Bobby Fischer-like ability to see plays unfold 2-3 moves ahead and instead hold the ball until making one home run pass with seconds left on the shot clock. On the upside, more often than not he makes the right play and it becomes nearly impossible to plan against. On the downside, it turns everyone around him into a bit player in the travelling LeBron circus. LeBron is the platform and JR Smith is just the Uber driver you gave three stars for not wearing a shirt. And when jumpshots stop falling at a high clip, and LeBron can’t go supernova that night because he’s logged more playoff minutes than anyone else and is bleeding from the face, sometimes you lose by 34 in a closeout game.
I can relate because in my day job I similarly can often see things unfolding 2-3 steps out and go for the mental “skip pass.” But more often than not I fail to bring my colleagues along with my ideas and end up yelling at Kevin Love for making the wrong cut while the other guys go sprinting down the floor in the other direction. It’s at this point my manager will tell me to turn off the Cavs game, stop yelling at Kevin Love, and get back to work. That and calling this column “The Skip Feed” means I’m right on brand when I post inconsistently about random topics that pop into my head.
Back to matters at hand, Evil Genius brought up the analogy of LeBron to the Pacers as Michael Jordan is to the Cavs. It’s unreal that Pacers fans may very likely end up viewing LeBron exactly how Cavs fans think about Jordan. Michael eliminated the Cavs four times between 1988 and 1993. (Incidentally it happened again in 1994 sans MJ with the Bulls en route to the Eastern Conference Semis, which if memory serves me correctly is a similar result to how the Cavs performed the year after LeBron left). No matter how good those early 90’s Cavs teams were, greatness personified was always standing in their way.
If the Cavs can win Sunday, it will be the fifth time in seven years that LeBron has eliminated the Pacers. 10 years from now Pacers fans will be saying “man we had some great teams with Paul George and Roy Hibbert and Lantz’s brother but we just always had the best standing in our way.” Eventually, I imagine the pain will fade and they will appreciate their front row seat to LeBron’s greatest moments. For me, I always think of MJ a little bit more fondly because he’s inextricably linked to the Cavs more than most non-Chicago teams. It’s impossible to properly tell the history of Jordan without telling the story of “those early 90’s Cavs teams that were actually really good” and it’s impossible to show “The Shot” “Michael Jordan’s Shot” without highlighting a lesser known Cleveland team just on the cusp of greatness.
Basking in the glory of “The Shot” after Game 5 sent me down a YouTube rat hole, which eventually took me to a “best crowd reaction” video and to Kobe’s final 60 point game. I have to admit it did strike me while watching the crowd go insane for Kobe that Cleveland may not ever have the same relationship with LeBron that LA did with Kobe. Kobe played 20 seasons in LA and more importantly they watched him win five rings. Now I’m not trying to re-litigate the decision or blame LeBron as our one championship will always mean more to Cleveland than Kobe’s five in LA. But that said it’s striking to think, as great as LeBron is, we have so much less shared history with him than LA does with Kobe or Chicago does with Michael. LeBron will forever be ours but it’s easy to forget his resume was largely written while wintering in South Beach.
At the same time the fact that we share as many tears of sadness and frustration with LeBron as we do tears of joy makes our connection to him that much more visceral, more familial, and more well…Cleveland. It’s been written many times before that part of the reason LeBron leaving Cleveland hurt so much is because many of us saw in his actions a reflection of our own and they do say people who live in glasses houses shouldn’t throw lead pipes.
So while our relationship with LeBron will always be infinitely more complex, less joyful, and less fan-boyish than LA’s with Kobe or Chicago’s with Michael, it will always be more authentic and relatable. Our relationship is with James, the man, more than it is with James, the icon. The movie version will have real highs, lows, suspense and tension, which is something LA fans never really had to experience other than one scene in Colorado.
In season 15, Kobe’s Lakers were swept in the second round by the eventual NBA champion Dallas Mavericks. The Lakers were coming off back to back championships — the same position LeBron’s Cavs could very well be in were it not for Kevin Durant joining a 73-win team. Kobe was content with 5 rings in hand to live out his last 7 seasons in Lakerland receiving only a suddenly divalike Dwight Howard and a version of Steve Nash that spent much of his time horizontal next to the bench.
Kobe had three with Shaq and all five with Phil and didn’t make it out of the first round seven times. Michael didn’t make it out of the first round until he had Scottie and he didn’t achieve anything without Phil. Incidentally, you couldn’t be blamed for wondering whether it was actually Phil who was the platform and Michael and Kobe his repertory players.
In a draft of this piece I wrote before Game 6 I ended on note of hope that LeBron’s Game 5 heroics would serve to inspire Kevin Love and Rodney Hood to rise above whatever it is that’s been plaguing them. But sitting here late Friday night it’s hard to deny that Sunday is all about LeBron.
For the first time since the 66-win 2009 Cavs he’s probably questioning what he’s even playing for. Is it because he doesn’t lose in the first round? Is it because he knows what “The Shot” and owning the Pacers like how Michael owned the Cavs will do for his legacy if he can get one more win? Or is he just that driven that he will fight and claw his way through this 15th season until he’s given his all?
After Sunday he’ll have to ask himself day after day until July: what is he playing for? For two more rings? For 38,388 points? To go down as one of the greats who, with few exceptions, played all of their meaningful minutes in the same colored jersey? Certainly it’s not lost on LeBron the difference between Kobe’s farewell tour of adulation and the twilight years of rent-a-Shaq, which went out with a whimper in the form of a tweet from his home office.
It’s tempting to say LeBron has done more with less than any other player before him but that’s more a statement on the quality of his coaches than his teammates. Wade and Kyrie were LeBron’s Scottie for the last seven seasons and he just so happened to make the finals in all seven of them – losing most recently only when his sidekick got injured or when Kevin Durant joined a 73-win team.
That’s where the comparisons to history end as LeBron embarks upon an unprecedented fourth act to his career. With health on his side he seemingly has a lot left to prove. But he must prove it in a league full of super teams, Processes, competent NBA coaches, Kevin Durant on a 73-win team, and a budding Pacer superstar and his revved up Pacers.
Wait a minute…can anyone name a single series the last 3 playoffs that golden state has played against a western conference opponent with a full roster? I literally cannot come up with one. And so far this year…no Kawhi and no Cousins.
like…they already have the most stacked roster since Bill Russell’s Boston teams. How is it this keeps getting compounded by facing opponents with injured all stars or stud defenders? They’ve missed curry for 2 of those series I guess. Still. It’s honestly crazy how consistently they have gotten lucky that way
Pelicans are much better without Cousins.
I really hope Lebron stays. We need a number two option on offense and a rim protector. Could get the rim protector in Bamba. Number two option a bit tougher to find. Also, a ton of bad contracts on this team that need to be off-loaded somehow.
We’ll see what happens in the lottery. Certainly Ayton is #2 option worthy. Possibly Porter & Young. Doncic seems more of a facilitator.
Maybe that guy is further down the board like Mitchell or Kawhi. Or Butler.
As for our playoff hopes, Nance & Clarkson are experiencing it for the first time, Hood just the second. Hopefully they will improve as we go along.
I do not see anyone beating GSW in any case barring a major injury to Curry or Durant.
If Houston vs GS happens…it’s a legit contest. Houston hasn’t really slowed down in the post season like I sort of expected they would. This very well could be Dantoni’s year.
https://twitter.com/TVTye/status/990677342145208320?s=20
lol that’s awesome. He kept his dignity
https://www.instagram.com/p/BiKuM7ZBTr1/
Mad respect
Sorry for the language. Thought it would post the picture.
Great day for Cavs fans. LBJ does it again — gives it ALL and puts the team in position. Then super efforts by TT, Love, and JR, who gave everything he had to slow down Oladipo.
Crowd at the Q was superb in games 5 and 7. No sense of entitlement — they gave everything they had.
Very proud of this team. They really brought it today.
Agreed
Great piece. Though my only quibble is at the end. Wade > Pippen. And Kyrie is much better on O. He has had help the last 7 years, save for 2015. And this year.
Yes, last year’s Cavs team was one of the best teams in NBA history. At least one one of the best offenses.
Wade and pippen is a wash, though I would lean toward pippen. Didnt pippen lead a near starless roster to the finals in 94?
Yep.
Oh sorry. Lost to Orlando and the Knicks the previous year
ECF
Semis. Knicks v Pacers ECF.
No. He did not. 94 Finals was Rockets v Knicks.
The Bulls won 50+ games without MJ and lost to the Knicks. In 7 in EC semis.
Wade > Pippen. He has a Finals MVP and a title without Bron. Plus a scoring title. I love me some Scottie but he is not quite at alpha dog leading you to a title level.
I still think pippen was better for longer, but peak wade > peak pippen, yeah.
Thanks Jason. Yeah that was actually a typo. It’s supposed to read “he has had a Scottie” and that seems to be the key to his dominance
I edited.
Two players I would take all day from Indiana…Sabonis and Bogdanovic. Those two are tough as hell and great outlets off drives.
Two players I’d take from the cavs all day…cedi Osman and ante zizic. Man what a waste of two very talented rookie seasons
Hahaha it’s like a FaceOff thing going on here.
As someone who grew up with Dr J my favorite player, it is nice to see Philly v Boston returning for a 3rd time to a relevant rivalry.
Wilt vs Russell in the 60s. Doc vs Bird in the first half of the 80s.
He’ll of a piece of writing RDE, very prescient
Thanks Nate. Just finished the game. Damn am I good to be with that series.
Glad to be done*
Great piece RDE – thanks for bringing passion to this beach community of ours
I’m not happy we won that series. I am relieved.
I remember going to the ECF when we beat the Hawks in Cleveland and treated it like a formality.
This series was brutal. I like winning, but I would have hated to lose.
it took to game 7 but nice to see some Cavs role players step up….just felt in this series the Pacers were allowed to be more physical than Cavs….thought officiating got out of control late…Bogdan can’t guard anyone without grabbing….Sabonis goes over the back every time he rebounds….Pacers are solid team, but they will need to get another star…this was a favorable matchup for them…not sure they would’ve extended to 7 with another East team….also think Cavs have it little easier from here….Raptors are an enigmatic team….cavs match up with them the best outside of Celtics
Just think, if Cavs beat Sixers in that late season game, likely the Sixers who have to deal with the Pacers, and the Cavs get a relatively easy 5-6 game series vs the Heat…seedings matter…
No embiid that game.
It does seem like sometimes teams get away with way more hand checking and reaches on the cavs than the cavs can get away with on other teams. Warriors are a prime example, but they get away with more contact than everyone I guess. Remind me of the mid 2000s Spurs in that regard. LBJ is about the only one that can play physical and not get perimeter fouls. JR gets whistled almost immediately if he tries to play like Dipo, Collison, Bogdan, or Young on the perimeter. Still it definitely seems, that besides LBJ, all the perimeter players on… Read more »
It seemed to me that the Cavs just didn’t force the issue enough. At times they’d get the pacers to leave their feet and instead of jumping straight up and taking a foul they’d fall backwards and make a bad pass or take a terrible fade away shot with a hand in the face. Step into the contact and take the foul!
Jazz are such a different team without rubio
Is there a timeframe on his return?
10 days
Toronto is a different type of team than Indy. I will be interested to see what starting lineup Lue uses. Wouldn’t be surprised if he goes Hill, JR, LBJ, Love, and Tt. If TT can continue to play like he did tonight, he should continue to start. Never predicted he would pull himself out of his funk and play like he did 2 years ago.
lol, Raptors reward for #1 seed, a 2nd round date with Cleveland. I don’t see Raptors playing as well as Indiana. Indiana’s defense was really good.
Yeah. I don’t think that series will be as tough unless James runs out of steam after this hell slog of a series.
James, I think manages his load really. Pure speculation on my part but I think he might have sat out practice yesterday to play 48 mins today.
I think Indiana would have won against them. They were so damn tough on defense!
Different MO for the Cavs now… this was a series for grinders… next one is a high-octane 125-122 set of shootouts… the Cavs spent a lot of energy on offense this series and left a lot of shooters open on defense. Will they be able to get away with this next series? Probably, if Toronto doesn’t defend as hard/well as Indiana did.
Frankly, if everyone is to some extent healthy, Hill and Love might be able to do enough on the offensive end to give Lebron a blow. Clarkson can’t, unless it’s like the one out of five games where he has his YOLO shots going…
Man how prescient was Right Down Euclid’s pregame piece? He nailed it. Pacers likely are the better team, and yet…greatness prevailed. And we should have won by double digits if not for the refs taking over at the 2 min mark
Thanks Scotch!
This game deserves a Tom pestak instacap.
+1
see ya’ll tuesday night
Cavs and Indy and Philly are the three best in the eastern conference. That might be the hardest series we face until the finals.
Could be. Unless Stevens and the Celtics seriously over perform I see philly as being in the ecf. Philly is much much much better than Indy I think, so I don’t think that would be an easier series.
I’m not sure they’re that much better yet. I was definitely impressed with their closeout game against Miami. But I think they’re about on par with indy. Better offense, not as good on d.
Could be. I am very interested to see how they do against Boston. Boston appears to be playing over their heads but they are great defensively. Rosier and Smart are bulldogs and could cause problems for Philly on that end if Simmons isn’t careful with the ball. Brown is pretty good defensively. Embiid should have a huge advantage, but if Boston gets Embiid in foul trouble multiple games they could make it really tough.
Yeah I think that series goes at least 6 unless Jaylen brown cant come back from his injury. Credit to stephens… he has young guys without otherworldly talent playing remarkably calm basketball
Philly is better but the Pacers are far more belligerent who will l ave you with a lot of bruises and even injury. Cavs might have won in six if George Hill was not injured by Bookers sly pick.
Brown being doubtful hampers the Celts… at least they have playoff experience, which we’ve been told again and again trumps youth and inexperience… I wouldn’t put anything past the Celtics here, especially with home court advantage…
Hubie: “Now Crowder, we all know he can defend, and we all know he can score the basketball”….do we all know these things?
his whole broadcast is a run-on
The former yes. The latter is news to me.
Hopefully, he keeps his comments clean! His brain is unaware of what his mouth is saying.
only other LeBron-led series that I can remember being that ridiculously difficult G1-G7 was against Detroit in 2006 when the Cavs lost in 7. https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2006-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-cavaliers-vs-pistons.html
Poor Larry Bird.
Those five minutes or so when James was out were so so huge. Kind of got us the cushion we needed to win the game.
Ye he sat down, and we played some great ball. Led by Hill and Love
If I’m a coach starting a team I take oladipo over westbrook right now. He is legit
I’m never taking westbrook, ever.
Great game – Pacers made some runs, but Cavs had an answer every time. I think the stretch where LeBron went out and Hill/Love produced will be huge. Also TT had a great game.
I would start Hill, JR, LBJ, Love, and TT next round
Bench: Green, Nance, Cedi, Korver, maybe Clarkson. Dont need to see Hood or Calderon.
I think that’s their best starting lineup right now.
We have to know by now Cedi isn’t playing. Hood and Clarkson can’t be much worse than vs Indy
I think Calderon might be better against Toronto. Lowry and Derozan aren’t quite as blazingly quick as Collison and dipo. Would rather try Calderon than Clarkson initially. Agree on Cedi for hood though.
Hubie calling Rockets-Jazz, someone text EG. Some things are more important than a kid’s birthday.
Whew!
Bring on the Raptors.
Props to Indy. They are solid.
Lue might need to go with a deeper roster just to keep people from being totally gassed
Yeah, I am confused as to why hill didn’t play earlier. Cedi getting some run, at least for some of hoods minutes would be good. Clarkson was not good tonight.
Hill is part of their best lineups. Really wonder how hampered he was. He looked fine to me…if you can play, you have to play.
Yeah I figured when he didn’t initially play he was hurting. I didn’t see any stiffness from him. Maybe he just played thru it.
They had to know that once he played and sat, he was dunzo… backs don’t tend to untighten after a solid workout… I would love to know whose idea it was to insert Hill when they did, but that move stabilized the team perfectly… wish he had more time to rest before the Raptors series…
Lue will never play a deeper rotation.
Wow, we WON!!! man, tough stuff