From Distance: An Introduction
2018-05-18four point play….
1. A few years from now, we will look back at the 2018 playoffs as the beginning of the Jayson Tatum era. The 20 year-old already plays with a pace and technical skill that far exceeds his years. Like Dwyane Wade in the 2004 Playoffs, Tatum is showing a superstar level talent that only needs some time to marinate.
It’s easy to look at this Celtics team and think of them as a bunch of role players that are playing above their heads. Yes, it is true that had Gordon Hayward not been injured in the first game of the season, Tatum likely wouldn’t have had to shoulder his current responsibility. Regardless, the rookie’s mature floor game and budding offensive mastery were going to be on display at some point in the season.
Tatum already has a polished offensive game, great length, and a great head on his shoulders. He’s stronger than his wiry frame would indicate. He has a competitive streak.
Without a great coach, that skill-set might not see the light of day. Skill-set and talent or not, a rookie hasn’t had the time to see the NBA Xs and Os. Tatum is incredibly lucky to have Brad Stevens as his coach (and yes, Stevens is lucky to have Tatum as a player).
Stevens’s preparation and demeanor have given Tatum a chance to capitalize on his talent earlier than expected. Stevens has made the game easier for his players, allowing them to trust each other and “not think too much”.
Toss in Terry Rozier, and the Celtics are relying on three young perimeter players far more than they anticipated when the season began. Rozier’s confidence and spectacular ability to get around picks on the defensive end are more surprising than Brown’s and Tatum’s early development. But, he too is a gifted player that has the right mentality with which to succeed in the playoffs.
Long story short, the Cavs are playing an incredibly talented group of young players. Even without Kyrie Irving and Gordon Hayward, the Celtics have superstar talent in Jayson Tatum, and All-Star talent in Jaylon Brown and Al Horford. This isn’t some “ragtag” group playing over their talent level. They are simply playing beyond their experience. That is due to their work as individuals and their coaching staff.
2. Contrast that to the Cavaliers’ coaching staff, and one gets a good idea of why Cleveland trails the series two games to none. Instead of building chemistry and confidence during the regular season, Ty Lue continued to experiment with limited veterans.
You can’t have it both ways. If regular season wins were mostly meaningless to the Cavs’ coaching staff, then why didn’t they “sacrifice” more potential victories by playing their young guys heavy minutes? We saw the team succeed when Cedi Osman and Ante Zizic got regular burn. Would it really have been a disaster to prepare them for potential playoff minutes by letting them play more during the “meaningless” regular season?
No, instead, Ty Lue applied the logic differently. He literally sacrificed wins and repetitions for talented young players by tossing out variations of old and/or bad. Jeff Green, J.R. Smith, Jordan Clarkson, Derrick Rose and Tristan Thompson continued to get minutes over potentially better players in Cedi, Ante, and Larry Nance Jr. The Cavs lost in the regular season because of Lue’s choice. They will probably lose in the Playoffs because of it as well.
It’s likely too late. Cedi has always been the tool in the toolbox that is most needed for this team. He can guard two to four positions depending on matchup. He plays hard at all times, pushing pace, moving bodies and dictating flow. Osman is also a talented Pick and Roll initiator if ever given a chance.
Dear Ty Lue, may I introduce you to Cedi Osman?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXDShzDLnNo
Before anyone says things like “it’s different in the NBA. Who’s he finishing over against Latvia?”, I’ll offer you the answer.
That would be Kristaps Porzingis. Thanks for playing.
Like I said, it is likely too late. You can’t expect guys to come in off the bench and save seasons after they have been jacked around all year. I believe in Osman as a player, but he is human and would need time to adjust. He needed regular reps before the Eastern Conference Finals.
Still, a potentially rusty Cedi Osman wouldn’t be worse than Rodney Hood or Jeff Green.
3. It’s now or never, Lue. Play the right guys or lose. Here, let me help you. Clearly you are incapable of constructing a rotation that makes sense.
Starting Five:
Love, Bron, Cedi, Korver, Hill.
With that starting unit, the Love/Korver two man game is still intact from the jump. Hill and Osman can pop or dive on the weakside. Osman’s general activity and willingness to move the ball from side to side gives the Cavs more action to start the game.
The Celtics’ scouting report gets a little hazy because they don’t know exactly how much damage Osman can do off the bounce or as a cutter.
Defensively, Love checks Morris, LeBron guards Al Horford, Korver fights with Jaylon Brown, Cedi checks Tatum, and Hill hounds Rozier.
It will take some of LeBron’s offensive energy, but by checking Horford, the Celtics Pick and Roll game is cut off at the head. James doesn’t enjoy playing big man defense, but he has shown the ability to effectively guard screen-setters.
Brown would probably get it going a bit against Korver, but I still prefer that potential one-on-one damage to the constant four on three advantage that the Celtics have been playing with. Bron could shut down Horford at the start of the action instead of playing free-safety on the backend.
Cedi can guard everyone in the Celtics’ starting five except for Horford post plays. He might not shut those guys down, but he will make them work. Osman’s lateral quickness as been used this season on opposing point guards. That’s not where he is best suited, but that same quickness is necessary against a guy like Tatum.
Reserves:
Larry Nance, J.R Smith, Tristan Thompson/Jose Calderon
That’s it. I’m going Mike D’Antoni style and playing seven guys real minutes and maybe tossing a couple spare minutes to Jose Calderon.
End of 1st Quarter: Larry Nance, Kevin Love, Korver, Smith, Hill
2nd Quarter starters: Larry Nance, LeBron, Cedi, Smith, Calderon
Sub in Tristan for Larry if Larry isn’t playing with enough force.
Hill comes in for Calderon a few minutes into the second.
Kyle and Kevin come back a bit later.
LeBron and George Hill are going to have to play huge minutes unless J.R. can get it going from deep. There isn’t really a way around it.
Still, Cedi is a far better ball-handler than people realize. He is absolutely a more stable offensive player overall than Clarkson, Green, and Hood.
4. It’s always interesting how differently the national media looks at a coach’s reputation versus the home fanbase. I don’t know how many actual Cavs fans still believe in Ty Lue. The national media doesn’t put him in a good light necessarily, but he certainly has more respect around the country than he has in Cleveland.
I chalk that up to ignorance. The common fan still thinks guys like Derrick Rose, Jeff Green, Jordan Clarkson, and Iman Shumpert are serviceable NBA rotation players, thus Lue’s decisions don’t seem ridiculous. The problem, of course, is those guys aren’t winning rotation players anymore. Oh my. I just realized Ty Lue is a common fan.
Prove me wrong, Coach Lue.
I do agree that Osman needs to play, but Hill-Smith-James-Love-Thompson is absolutely the starting unit. This lineup puts so much rebounding out that they force the Celtics to play two bigs. When this happens, Horford is less effective (he’s best as a 5 and Tristan Thompson has been his father in the playoffs for years). They also have to play Monroe more than they want, and we have a chance to get one of our best players, Larry Nance Jr., on the floor more. These Cavs are much more like the 2015 iteration, with a banged-up Irving that eventually went… Read more »
Is anyone actually looking forward to the game? I think there’s actually a decent chance we win but I’m dreading turning it on
If the Cavs trade the pick I’d love to see them get a later first rounder to get jalen brunson.
Might as well take Young if he is there with the eighth pick if you are even considering Brunson, a junior, who is a half inch taller and is similarly of average athleticism. Why bother? Nice college player and maybe a not terrible bench guard that might provide some ok, if undersized defense at the point position. Point being, I doubt the eighth pick will return any player of value AND a first round pick. Might as well use it, because trading it just gets you a role player who will in no way help you get over the top… Read more »
Not high on either Bridges after watching scouting videos. Both struggled in ISO defense. Miles is a tweener and is super slow laterally for a three with almost no ballhandling. Mikal, as a junior, has a thinner frame than Young at 200 pounds at 6’7″. Guy similarly can’t shoot off the dribble, nor has great handles, has an inconsistent release, and is also not the quickest laterally. Good shot blocking guard though.
In the likely event that we don’t win the championship this year, I’m certainly in favor of firing Lue regardless of whether we think LeBron may stay or not. You know who would be a good guy to replace him? Frank Vogel. Proven playoff success with a superstar and a bunch of role players, but not a hardliner like Pop or Carlisle that might rub LeBron the wrong way. Someone who understands LeBron’s game very well from experience and had success with Hill. Eminently available. Could contribute to the case they’ll make to LeBron that he should re-up. And if… Read more »
There’s better choices than vogel. Hammond and messina come to mind.
I do wonder if Hammond would get a fair chance from a lot of players. I hate to say it but I would be afraid of sexism in the ultra macho male professional sports world.
If LeBron is around she will
Sure, in a vacuum. But how would the relationship between Messina and James be different than it was with Blatt? I’m very pro-Hammon and hope she gets a head coach job soon, but considering the history with LeBron and first-time coaches (i.e. Mike Brown, Ty Lue) and the fact that he’s more win-NOW than any player in the league, why roll the dice on an unproven coach when you could roll with someone who has a proven track record?
Neither of those guys has anywhere near the pedigree of Messina. The guy was as good as Blatt in Europe and has spent four years as Pop’s head assistant. Not only was Blatt never the right hand man in Pop’s staff, he was never an assistant at all in the nba. As for Lue, being an assistant for Doc Rivers is not the same as being an assistant for Pop as evidenced by the coaching tree Pop has generated. Mike Brown was on the Spurs but was never a lead assistant, nor did he ever have the championship experience and… Read more »
I have very similar thoughts on this. I think Pop may well retire from the NBA and focus on Team USA. Messina would no doubt be the perfect successor – I just don’t presume he’s the right fit for LeBron, who’s not much of a “team concept” guy (like Spurs and the best Euro coaches tend to be).
Fair, but then again, what coach is the right fit for LBJ? Kind of never has been answered. I really don’t know.
Yah, I dunno. He was obviously most successful with Spo. I feel like not a Pop/Stevens/Carlisle/Thibs type. I bet he’d love to play for Doc… but that would drive us all bonkers for the same reasons as Lue.
Yeah. Though Doc maybe has a bit more credibility to hold him accountable, though I don’t love him as a coach. He would likely be fine with Pop given the team USA connection and admiration he has shown. But yeah, everyone else, and yeah it is probably for all intents and purposes LBJ’s team/system.
Yeah, agreed… I’d happily settle for him having a coach who sits players when they don’t have it and tries energy guys when the team is weak on defense and keeps running bad isos. That’d be nice!
Good analysis, Ben! If I were Lue for a day, here are the minutes I’d allot tonight: Starters: 40 LeBron 35 Love 30 TT 25 Korver 25 Hill Bench: 25 Cedi 20 Nance 20 JR 20 Green Play James and/or Love at all times. Give Cedi the Hood minutes and Nance the Clarkson minutes – get energy and defense, if not more offensive production. Play only one of TT, Green, and Nance at a time usually – plus 4 outside shooters. Try JR as a microwave guy off the bench to spell Kyle and maybe have more energy left to… Read more »
Just read this now–thanks, Ben. Spot on about how Lue tried to have one’s cake and eat it too. though I do not have enough fingers to point in all the directions of those who have helped mess up the post-championship Cavs, Lue suffices for now.
Concerning your suggested rotations: sharing dreams of what will never be is what the internet is all about…
Did EG rage quit us !! Need him for game three.
He’s out of town for a bit. He’ll be back.
Cavs in 6
I love how everyone becomes an expert around draft time, and so strident in their beliefs. Even for people who study this stuff year-round, there is still high levels of uncertainty with how a player will translate
Yeah pretty much a crapshoot for most of the top ten and rest of the first round. Every year there is usually one or two guys at the top of the mock draft boards who seem like sure things as far as the ability to make an all star games if healthy. Dunno about this one. Maybe Doncic and Bagley. I would say Ayton but he is in the wrong era so who knows. I think for most years you are hoping there is a top three guy who looks like they are at minimum make a couple all star… Read more »
Take the best wing available. That is all.
One of the Bridges.
Depends on if you want to roll the dice on somewhat unknown potential in MPJr or get a guy you know will come in based off everything they showed college and compete as a defensive 3 and D role player guy with likely a more limited ceiling in the Bridges.
Anyone advocating not playing cedi has to have blunders on about how putrid Smith, Clarkson, Hood, Green have been.
I meant to say “blinders” but this works too.
Green had some very good games vs Toronto and had some big moments vs Indy. I know you are anti-Jeff, but he has been decent.
In case anyone is interested.
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ahh man game 6.
I’m surprised he isn’t still playing.
Good analysis on the vanquishing of just a 31 year old Roy Hibbert and the diminished importance of big men in the paint in general in the NBA. Guess who the only players are that played more inside the free throw line than Hibbert from 2013-2016: Tristan Thompson and Timo.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-the-nba-abandoned-roy-hibbert/
What’s the scouting report on Bamba offensively? I hope he can finish inside and make his freebies to be useful in crunch time.
Needs work, althoug his shot looks surprisingly good. I see no reason why he can’t have a good 15-17 foor shot (something TT hasn’t developed in years in the league) pretty quickly. His posts moves look raw to me in the limited time I’ve watched him.
That’s good news. We won’t need his post moves anyway.
Yeah, I’d be okay getting him, I’m pretty sure he’ll be gone, though. He has insane measureables, and he’s a smart guy, which I’m sure will impress people.
Indeed. Bamba will most certainly be picked before we get a chance.
Capela energy/athleticism in a Gobert body with a jumper.
Not a good jumper by any definition.
There is the video of him hitting like 10 threes in a row.
In practice. He shot 27.5% from three.
There isn’t much depth in this draft. Outside of Doncic, who I don’t think is transcendent but still really good, non of the guys are really franchise cornerstone worthy. Even the media isn’t hyped on any of them. That’s why it’s tough to fool other franchise to give up an asset in exchange of the eight pick. Heck, Phoenix are “willing” to listen to offers. I’d be happy if we could land a McCollum/Beal type of player for the 8th pick and unload either TT/JR/Clarkson.
This draft is really good with a number of potentially transcendent players and there is depth down to the 10th spot. For instance Marvin Bagley could turn out to be Tatum Level good and he will probably go no. 4. Bamba could be NBA defensive player of the year and he will probably go 3-6. Next years draft looks poor to me.
A number of potentially transcendent players? What’s the ballpark where looking at? 3-5? Hell then this is the greatest draft ever if that’s the case!!! Ayton is no Tim Duncan. Dwight Howard has more noise coming in the draft than this guy. I absolutely like Doncic, but he ain’t Ben Simmons hype nor Magic Johnson hype coming out. Badgely isn’t compared to Lebron, he is projected as a Bosh lite. No hate but they say all the potential of incoming guys every year but no media, gm, scouts, analysts are hyped in this batch. There are really good players in… Read more »
Yep all the top picks have weaknesses. No one seems like a sure thing super star in the vein of a KD, Davis, LBJ coming out.
MJ had no outside shot. Duncan was not a winner (no Final Fours for Wake). Curry wasn’t athletic enough. KD was too skinny to be a forward & too tall to play guard. Ayton is WAAAAAY more talented than Howard. Doncic is the best player to come out since Duncan. Meaning, on draft day. Bamba has the largest wingspan in draft history and is mobile. Young led the NCAA in PTS & Assists. Jackson is more mobile even than Bamba & shot 40% from 3 and 80% on FTs. Porter is a coach’s son with a KD-lite game & length.… Read more »
Crazy talk. Duncan was consensus number one and plenty of teams tanked for him specifically. MJ had a midrange shot coming out of college. No one shot threes when he came out save for maybe like one a game. KD was a sure thing and everyone knew it, except I guess the blazers. The guy averaged 24 ppg as a freshmen on like 48 percent shooting with zero holes in his offensive game. Could post, handle like a guard, shoot step back 25 footers, block shots, rebound in college as a freshmen. The guy was as sure a thing as… Read more »
Bagley has potential offensively (jumpshot work in progress, no post game, spoon fed at duke) but I am not sure he has the tools on defense (awareness, rim protection). Bamba has potential, but has a long long ways to go on offense. Jackson is a prototype stretch big with a funky slower release and slightly above average explosiveness. I think he could be a nice player on a championship team, not a star. Young could be a superstar, an ok bench guard, or a complete bust. Doncic has handles, vision, and size, but has some limitations. But I don’t disagree… Read more »
But despite my reservations about all these guys, I wouldn’t trade the pick because of the amount of guys that have potential. Sure things, not so many, but certainly there is enough potential in those guys to justify keeping it.
The top 6 picks look really promising. After that, things drop off a bit, so our pick doesn’t have too much value.
To me it doesn’t matter who the Cavs pick or trade for what matters is that the Cavs find a great coach that can’t get the most out of each player in the roster on both sides of the court like Brad Steven’s does with the Celtics.
#1 ) –yes I am a fan of sexton—plays with “an edge—competitor “—we need more players like him—-the shot WILL COME IN TIME / REPS ———
2)—-SUNS ARE WILLING TO POSSIBLY TRADE #1 PICK—–ANY INTEREST—IF SO WHO WOULD WE OFFER TO INTICE THEM TO TRADE
3)—DONIC —threatens to possibly stay in Europe– if other teams before the cavs shy away from him —should the cavs draft him ————————just some thoughts
1. Sexton isn’t really a point guard and needs the ball on his hands. A lil small to be a SG too….. Yeah so as Kyrie Irving. But Kyrie is already waaaay more polished offensively when he got with Lebron. Sexton’s got an edge too for sure, but in a Dion Waiters kinda way. I don’t like that imo.
2. I don’t think this crop is as good as advertised except for Doncic. In which…
3. The Cavs absolutely don’t have anything to offer that #1 pick lol.
If Doncic telks everyone he will stay in Europe unless he gets to play with LeBron. That would be awesome.
I am not really high on Michael Porter, honestly…going on limited info, obviously. Most of his highlights I’ve seen are of him finishing alley oops on overmatched opposition. In my barely informed view, I am reminded of Jabari Parker in high school, and I didn’t and don’t love him. Porter may be a better shooter than Parker. Then there is the back, which apparently was bothering him for a couple of years prior to the surgery. I do think it’s possible, if unlikely, that he drops to the Cavs, and I don’t know how I’d feel about that. I kind… Read more »
He is a better athlete. I worry about his frame , durability, and ability to create for himself at the next level. But he has the physical tools and a good jumper for a guy coming out of high school.
He’s KD-lite but not so..
If not for his health, he might be number 1 on the charts. But that injury history is really concerning. If someone told me he will be the best player in this draft in five years not named Doncic, I might believe him.
He seems really awkward and stiff the way he moves. I don’t see crazy off the charts athleticism.
He has pretty great hops and a god jumpshot. But yeah he doesn’t have much shiftiness. Ball handling isn’t really going to get him far as a slasher.
Some mocks:
NBADraft.net = Young
Bleacher Report = Porter
Consensus = Carter (though Porter & Mikal Bridges were the two most common).
Why Carter. I don’t get it. That dude had mediocrity written all over him. Take the best wing available.
Yeah no thanks on Carter. MPJ should be the target. He won’t be there though.
IDK how the draft will pan out. Ayton & Doncic are almost certainly 1-2.
After that: Bagley, Jackson, Bamba, Porter, Carter, & Young are a pretty consensus 3-8. I think anyone besides Bagley/Jackson could tumble to us at #8. And I could see someone falling in love with Sexton. Including us.
Bagley and Jackson will almost certainly be top 5.
We need to draft Bamba and add Paul George. Need to get rid of JR, TT, Hood, Clarkson. Need to hire a good coach.
I actually like Bamba, but he will be gone before the Cavs pick, I have little doubt of that. I bet he goes to Chicago, worst case. I look forward to Nate’s write-up of Trae Young.
Trae young going to Orlando. MPJr gone too likely. Probably get one of Wendell Carter, or the bridges.
Thank God. And thank god young will be gone too.
You will grow to love Young! He’s 6’0″ in socks! 6’2″ wing span! DanG adores him!!
I usually like David Zavac but in his article for the Athletic he is far too lenient on Lue and classifies Cedi Osman as a “rookie who can’t shoot”. Cedi misses a few shots at the end of the regular season after being yanked around and having zero rhythm and suddenly he is a rookie who can’t shoot? He’s shooting almost 37% from three… 36.8% to be exact. In case you don’t already know, that puts him just behind JR Smith who is shooting 37.5%… Where did this stigma that Cedi can’t shoot come from?
Here’s the source – https://theathletic.com/358446/2018/05/18/ty-lue-deserves-the-criticism-but-hes-also-running-out-of-options/?source=email
I’m not knocking Cedi at all, but most of his threes this season were of the wide open variety…I wouldn’t trust his three shooting against playoff defense too much. I still think he should be getting playing time, though. I also think he should work on his catch and shoot threes every waking minute this offseason.
The reason you don’t trust his shooting is probably because you’ve seen so little of it. By that I mean he hasn’t gotten enough opportunities to convince those who are down on him that he is a capable shooter…
I agree with Mike, Cedi is a great energy guy but he is not a good enough to play him consistently.
And Rodney Hood and. Jeff Green are?
Agree that Cedi can shoot fine. He’s smart and moves well and he’ll be open even against playoff defense.
The destruction of the 2016 title team has been epic. They became terrible AND blew all their assets. Which is hard to do.
Honestly, when were they really actually good? Always were inconsistent and horrible defensively. Only played hard when they were really pushed.
The March and April in 2015 – we were scorching. I think we had an insane record during that stretch. Unless, you’re talking since we won, I’d say playoffs last year. Our offense was ridiculously good.
He mentioned “2016 title team”. I loved the 2015 March and April team. They played tremendous ball. Blatt got robbed by Love and Kyrie’s injury. Would have won the finals and gone a long way in earning Lebron’s trust.
Yep. They win that one, the whole timeline changes. We might be talking about a four-peat right now….then again, maybe Kyrie would have left in 2016 if he won a chip…
They were good when they were coached by Blatt… Ungalvanized, but good…
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/997519832089276416?s=19
I meant to quote a glaring bad stat on George Hill in the playoffs. Hill’s vaunted wing span and defensive abilities have produced exactly one steal not just against Boston, but the entire playoffs. That is just so inexcusable when you aren’t scoring, rebounding or making assists like the last two games. Against Boston, Hill has played more like a $2 million vet minimum guy than his $20 million contract. How about some fire, George.
30% of the Cavs’ total cap space is tied up in Clarkson, TT, and JR…. that’s insane.
And all 3 contracts run until 2020.
Wow what a disaster. Although I gotta be honest and say I can see Clarkson improving under a better coach/system.
He’s the youngest by a good 3 or 4 years…. also not a head-case like JR and more skilled at basketball than TT. Agreed, limited bench role as SG… Clarkson could be great at that. Not sure it’s worth 11m/yr but that’d crying over spilled milk.
Clarkson will never be good. Once a chucker, always a chucker. Some guys just make up for their chucking in other areas. Jordan is not nearly as athletic as people think. He has many bad habits and he’s already been in the league for half a decade. It’s not going to happen. He doesn’t have a feel for team play.
He has this really awkward looking, mechanical jump shot, too…it’s worked well enough for him to get to the NBA, but it’s a pretty ugly shot…
It’s unbelievable man. The contracts on this team are insane.
In case you didn’t read this, Lue actually admitted he messed up on the rotations in Game Two. Of course the start of the 4th quarter is highlighted as we all ranted about on the live thread. Lue called out LeBron for actually needing a blow for screwing up his rotations. Yeah, he can’t play 48 minutes, Ty. Most of us on CtB would say he has messed up most of the year by not developing the younger players as Ben points out. In the article’s accompanying picture, Lue looks like he hasn’t slept in three days. Wish he had… Read more »
Good article. Thanks for the link.
he looks exhausted
BTW, sorry about my comment on your prediction of Cavs in 6. I took out my frustration on you.
So good. Thanks, Ben. If ever we should meet I am buying you an infinity number of beers. The problem with the Celtics is that they play a full 4 quarters of intense ball, and the old guys on the Cavs (JR, TT, Korver, Hill) basically cannot play a full game unless the stars align. Even LBJ, though his offense is the best its ever been thanks to his improved shooting, doesn’t give you a full game of D. So what tends to happen is that they are cruising along and then the bottom falls out. One thing is that… Read more »
You mean tomorrow?
Oops. Yeah.
I had to begrudgingly give respect to the Celtics in game 2 – being a casual fan and all – and acknowledge Tatum, Rozier, and Brown as ballers. And Stevens as a genuine MVP coach. If the Cavs pull off one win, I’ll be impressed. And then I’ll have to accept that Jeff van Gundy (who called it Celtics in 5, but also said Lue is a great coach, so …) is a basketball genius. ;-) In Lue’s slight defense, the roster has been anything but stable all year long, and shouldn’t we be slightly impressed that he got the… Read more »
How many games did Cedi and Zz play meaningful minutes – 5-6 games? Wasn’t obvious right then and there that he had something really nice to work with? Why not continue to use them as oppose to benching Zz the moment TT came back and then replacing Cedi with Hood. I’ll give you the Hood situation. Sure, we needed to see what he could do. But hasn’t it been obvious since the playoffs started that Hood doesn’t have anything at the moment. Maybe the stage is too big and being a new parent is taking his toll, but Lue knew… Read more »
Zz’s game stats. Look at games #63-72. How can Lue not see those numbers as I (we all?) see them??? The guy is a solid bench player, getting ready to be a solid(good/great) starter.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/z/zizican01/gamelog/2018/
Absolutely no talent recognition or development from this coaching staff. And it starts with Lue.
I said this below but ya, the problem is that we are all trying to apply logic to Lue’s decisions and he doesn’t use it. Yes, it was painfully obvious that Zizic could be a really useful piece. I mean he shot better that 70% in the short time he was on the court. He showed competent PnR skills, decent decision making skills, he was a bit slow footed on defense especially when defending the PnR. Still, I don’t know how many times I’ve seen our guys get totally lost on a simple PnR so he fits right in on… Read more »
Great article Ben. The biggest issue with Lue is the lack of trust of his young guys. He would rather stick by JR and Green and hope for the best. What usually happens is that they have a good game, every fourth game or so, and Lue can then say, “You see. I told you guys they were going to come around.” Then it all repeats itself. Cavs will lose. Maybe even get swept. I hope Lue is fired instantly after. As I said in the comments before, a competent (not even great) coach will turn Zz into a B+… Read more »
fantastic article
Lue is too bent on 2016 being down 3-1….he thinks the veterans would better handle the situation or any tense situations and remedy the result. But Jeff Green doesn’t have this experience, JR is turning into a clown show, and TT is hit or miss and doesn’t provide any offensive game beyond two feet of basket. Unlike Stevens and even Kerr, Lue won’t go to young guys for some energy or different looks. Stevens friggen played Greg Monroe who is three levels washed up for many minutes last game. Is Zicic that worse or is Lue ignorant? The Celtics aren’t… Read more »
I think the problem is that we are trying to apply logic where there isn’t any. Lue is not making logic based decisions.
Yep I think you nailed it. I think he is a gut feeling guy on his rotations. Probably explains why they are so wonky and why he rides certain lineups so hard. I don’t think he keeps track of minutes in games.
Can we start a kickstarter to get Ben installed as the coach for the final portion of the series? Ben, are you willing to fly back from Germany to coach this Cavs team to victory? To be fair, I’d trust my wife to coach this team more than I would Lue. She only has a cursory knowledge of basketball that started when we started dating, but at least she listens to me screaming things at the TV during games…
Jayson Tatum and Rodney Hood are almost identical basketball palyers. Only clear difference I see is that Tatum is right handed and Hood is left handed. And also, that Rodney Hood sucks.
This made me question your sanity till the last sentence. Though I bet Tatum would be similarly befuddled under this coach.
He probably wouldn’t play.
I needed that laugh Boogieeels. Very nice.
And Tatum scores and plays better defense. He doesn’t dribble off his foot all the time. He’s a better driver. So yeah, ummm, same player…
This made me laff.
Definitely agree that Cedi is a ‘more stable’ offensive player than Clarkson, Green, or Hood. Green has more potential upside (but that’s the story of his career, right), although he has sucked in this series.
I like your starting lineup, but you probably realize that Clarkson, Green, or Hood are all much more likely to start than Osman. If Lue pulls JR (unlikely), I bet Hood will start.
Not all his fault, some of it is the endless roster churn, but this has been Lue’s worst season.
Oh I certainly don’t think he will follow my advice. I’m not predicting what he will do. I’m just saying what I think he should do.
Yeah, I get it, Ben. Wish he would do some of this…not sure how much more of that type of JR game I can stomach. And I’m beyond tired of watching Jeff Green…doesn’t appear he has much place in this series.