Recap: Cleveland 112, Memphis 107 (or, Becoming)
2019-02-24If your preseason predictions had the Cavs’ win totals in thirties and forties, this was the type of consistency you envisioned: Kevin Love leading the way against a mediocre squad with lots of contributions from youngsters like Ante Zizic, Cedi Osman, and Collin Sexton. The Cavs came out early and smoked the Grizz for 37 in the first quarter, played unevenly for two more quarters, and – despite no Love in crunch time due to a minutes restriction – out-executed Memphis and held on for the win in the fourth quarter.
And yes, Kevin Love was sublime in this one, going off for 32 points in 24 minutes and splashing 6-9 from three and 8-8 from the line for an absurd 86 TS%. Add in 12 boards, a block, a steal, and a game high +14, and it’s easy to see why so many Love memes were sprinkled throughout the live thread. Kev just looked better than any other player in this game. When Love was in the post, the Cavs fed him, and he bent Memphis’ defense, or converted on postups. When he was in the pick and roll, he slammed it home as the roll man. And when Love was on the wing, he did his best Kyle Korver impersonation by coming off the screen and nailing triples on the curl.
K-Love passed Channing again for the career lead in triples (Frye had regained the lead during Love’s injury) and tied Richard Jefferson on the list. Kev looked thrilled to be back close to full strength. The Cavs were all so much better when the pride of Lake Osweego was on the floor. Kevin reminded the preseason optimist in all of us that we aren’t completely crazy. I don’t have the on/off stats, but the Cavs’ rebounding was soo much better with Kev’s presence if othing else than from a positioning and hands standpoint. As a team, they outboarded the Grizz 61-49, and if memory serves me at all, the times the Cavs were having the biggest problems came when Love was on the bench, and no one bothered to box out Joakim Noah. Jo had four offensive rebounds and a slew of drawn loose ball fouls.
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As great as Love was, the game’s most exciting stretch came when he left in the fourth quarter. As soon as Kev hit the pine in the third, Memphis rallied from 15 point deficit with a 27-9 run before Love reasserted himself in the early fourth. He exited at the 5:23 mark after a sweet dunk, another triple, and a ridiculous volleyball bump assist from Delly to Collin Sexton triggered a Memphis rage timeout and gave the Cavs a five point lead.
More than one commenter thought the young Cavs would fold when Kevin’s minutes restriction took hold. Upon Love’s exit, a 9-2 run by Memphis capped by an “Are you kidding me?!” Jonas Valanciunas buzzer beating triple from the left corner, seemed to confirm those fears. But with the Cavs down 103-101, Cedi Osman Korvered a triple and 17 seconds later raced down the floor for a one handed jam courtesy of the Youngbull. It was the first time I’ve ever seen the Jedi dunk one handed. Osman finished with just 11/4/2 but this winning stretch was as important as any.
Collin Sexton sealed the deal 40 seconds later when he lulled Avery Bradley to sleep and then swished a gunslinger’s step-back triple to put the Cavs up six with a minute left. In case you’re wondering at home, Yes. Collin Sexton’s J is for real. Sexton played one of his better all around games with 20/6/5, went 4-6 from deep, and attacked the defensive glass throughout the game. He secured one of the game’s most important rebounds when he went high in the air to grab a Mike Conley missed triple and secured it despite being sandwiched between Jonas Valanciunas and Ante Zizc. Sexton played under control and attacked with regularity. Most importantly Collin shot triples instead of mid-rangers. He also made several good passes on his way to five dimes, despite four turnovers. The turnovers are going to happen, but finding teammates in position to score rather than positions to bail him out when he gives up his dribble, is what is key to Sexton’s progress.
Defensively, Sexton was still pretty haphazard, and part of Cleveland’s general problem of switching all over the place on the backside. He ended up on a much bigger player more than once and didn’t have any recourse but to foul or flail at a layup, but he took some baby steps this game.
Not taking baby steps, but taking big, giant Croatian man steps: Ante Zizic. Double Z turned in one of his best performances of the season by scoring 18 with ten boards in just under 30 minutes. He hit putbacks, long push shots, jumpers from the nail, safety valve baseline Js, and 6-7 at the line. Ante’s roll timing was note perfect throughout the night, and he displayed fantastic hands and footwork catching and finishingbtwo of the filthiest dimes of the season from Brandon Knight and Matthew Dellavedova (below). Most importantly, when the Cavs were hemorrhaging rebounds to Joakim Noah and Co., Ante came in and gave them a big body to bang inside and help secure loose balls. ZZ grabbed two big boards in crunch time.
Zizic might have lost the individual battle to Jonas Valanciunas (25/11/1), but big V needed 19 shots to get that number, and Ante just 7. More importantly, Ante was +10, and Jonas was -6. Standing side by side, I realized Zizic is actually an inch taller than Jonas, and still has some filling out to do. Ante did have a couple bad offensive fouls down the stretch when his screens sent Mike Conley to the floor, but he conformed to my cardinal rule: if you’re going to foul someone, don’t injure, don’t get a flagrant, but make it hurt. Did ZZ ever. When he gets regular minutes, God’s own widow’s peak can be a very efficient, fundamentally sound player who can give the Cavs a physicality they sorely lack. Here are those dimes and finishes, and a takedown of Conley for good measure.
That Knight dime might have been the best of the season, and Delly topped it just 13 minutes later. It was this kind of passing that showed the Cavs at their best, Saturday, as they racked up 25 dimes. No one was more emblematic of that than Matthew Dellavedova who found six beautiful dimes to go along with his 10 points and who played down the stretch instead of Jordan Clarkson. Matt finally got off the schneid from downtown, even though he only went 1-4.nHe’d been in a 1-14 stretch before this game. Delly had the flob working too, converting it twice, and should have also had a left handed finger roll bucket to his credit.
Unfortunately, the officiating chicanery that has plagued Cleveland late in games reappeared. With 31 seconds left Delly threw up a tricky lefty, and had it swatted by Jonas Valanciunas, but it was ruled a goaltend on the floor. After three minutes of replay which seemed to show the ball descending on its downward arc before being knocked out of the air (it was close), the officials yet again overruled the call on the floor with no video evidence to the contrary and awarded the ball to the opponent (this happened on a possession call in the second overtime of the triple overtime Nets game too). Never mind that the stoppage of play on the floor allowed Cleveland no attempt at an offensive rebound.
Fortunately, Matt hit 3-4 from the line in the last 17 seconds to ice the game for the Wine and Gold, and directed the defense to be good enough to win. Delly played over Jordan Clarkson late, mainly because Clarkson was a shot-hunting dumpster fire, and showed that while he may be a good scorer on a bad team, he is one of the losingest players in league history. Clarkson was 2-10, 1-6 from three and 5/1/1 in 22 minutes. He was a black hole: chucking and hijacking possessions to throw up bad pull-ups early in the shot-clock throughout the night. In fact, he was a part of the garbage lineups that blew a big lead in the late third which contributed to his -7. Perhaps JC was still reeling from his purported role in the Tristan/Khloe breakup.
Marquese Chriss was similarly bad for Cleveland, and just looked completely unfocused: failing to defend the simplest plays, biting on every pump fake, and failing to finish around the basket on the easiest of looks, and chucking his way to 1-5 from downtown for a 6/6/1, -5 line in 11 minutes. As I noted during the game, I’m not losing any sleep over Marquese Chriss. The Cavs are going to have too many big men next year as it is. John Henson when healthy is the player that we hope Marquese could become. This stretch where he bricks, stands there and watches Noah run by him, and then stands there and watches Noah dunk is emblematic of why his last two teams gave up on him.
No one, though, was worse than Nik Stauskus, who seemed completely outmatched yet again, and is making us all question Koby Altman’s decision to guarantee his deal for the remainder of the season. Sauce was 0-2 with one board, and somehow -8 in the five minutes where the Cavs Rodney Hooded away a lead in the early second. Bring back Deng Adel.
For Memphis, we mentioned Big V who had a stellar night from the floor, and who AC and Fred noted always seems to be able to just drip the ball over the rim, but the Grizz also got a gladiator night from Mike Conley. Despite being the focal point of the Cavs defense, Conley gritted his way to 18/5/2 with three steals in 30 grinder’s minutes. Justin Holiday looked solid with 10 points in 26 minutes but didn’t do much more than score while starting PF Ivan Rabb was a surprisingly willing passer with 8/3/4. The other starter, Avery Bradley was totally forked. Sexton smoked him to seal the game and Bradley was 1-5 and -19. Yikes.
The Grizz were carried by their bench – Specifically by ole Jo Noah who destroyed Cleveland in the third and who completely outplayed Larry Nance who put in one of his worst games in recent memory. While Larry was 2-6 from the floor and part of the lackluster late first half group, Noah went 16/7/4 in 23 minutes and added two blocks and a steal. He also got the Grizz into the early bonus with his activity and the Grizz the lead with his energy. Also playing well for Memphis: Delon Wright who was a game high +14 and went 15/7/3. He could be a nice piece for Memphis’ future.
Not so good? Chandler Parsons who had a decent stretch in the second quarter (against Nik Stauskus) but who combined with CJ Miles (now with Dadbod) to go 2-13 from the floor. Man does Memphis have some bad money tied up in Parsons.
Kudos to Larry Drew who has his team playing better every game and who rightly sent JC to the pine early, Saturday. Cleveland has won 3-4 and are a bad call in Brooklyn away from a four game win streak. They take on the scorching hot Trailblazers tomorrow who’ve won seven of ten and sit at 36 wins: good enough for fourth place in the West. We’ll see how Cleveland stacks up, and if they’re becoming the team we thought they could be.
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Great recap, Nate! So glad I can get back on the Kevin Love train. He’s been marvelous in his return from injury. And every bit the improved leader we thought he would be post-James. And that block? Goodness gracious, KLove sticking it to all his haters.
Finally got through the replay, recap and yes – KLove is playing sharp. He was sharp from the moment he returned and the difference between the various starters who had filled his absence was palpable. Kevin’s shot since he’s been with the Cavs has seemed to fatigue through stretches of games, hard roadtrips etc, but his effort level and the 1 percenters never seem to. When his shot is on, it matches the rest of his game. Regardless of tanking plans, I really hope he stays / is kept, because I think he responds to being a leader, is now… Read more »
Ya, his legs and conditioning aren’t quite where you’d want them to be but he’ll improve. That roll and subsequent dunk might be the most athletic thing I’ve seen Kev do in his career. Maybe short of staying in front of Curry for The Stop.
Back in his comfortable role of putting up numbers when it doesn’t count. Good old Love.
This recap brought up an annoying pet peeve of mine with how the game is officiated today. They call offensive fouls on motionless blindside screens that catch guards off guard and end up decking them. However, those are legit screens by the rules. As long as you are motionless you are allowed by the rules to set a screen in a guy’s blindside and deck him if he unknowingly runs smack into at full speed. However, to protect all of these tiny, fragile, point guards the league caters to, they call offensive fouls almost every time a guy runs into… Read more »
And by by moving screens I mean the ones guys slip or roll at the same time a defender going under or move in a general area in the immediate vicinity of the defender, a la Draymond Green.
I completely agree. Valanciunas consistently accellerates into his screens as he makes contact and only got called for it once. Zzz slides his feet an extra inch to the side BEFORE contact and gets called on it because Conley crumoles ti the ground. And honestly Conley’s scissor kicks to draw contact on his jumpers was getting really annoying, especially when he kept initiating contact with stiff arms on every drive and getting away with it.
And I swear, guys with floppy hair get away with flopping into calls. It’s the Varejao effect…
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I agree… he’s not in a position to coast it in the NBA. Also agree that hustle/energy/attitude is definitely a skill. I just disagree with overall assessment last night, where Chriss did show hustle, defense, and energy in the 1st half. It’s just not consistent… I would say that’s a fairer assessment of last night.
Nice recap.
Totally disagree with these hot takes on Chriss though. He’s averaging 11 points, 5 rebounds, TS ~60% on 20 minutes per game in his 6 games with the Cavs. Also, this recap totally ignores Chriss’ great play in the 1st quarter/2nd quarter with finishes around the rim and some furious rebounding and a nice block shot. He’s 21, he’s playing inconsistently as a 21 would that’s not named Lebron James.
Henson is already past his statistical prime… no way would I keep him over Chriss.
False choice. Henson is under contract. Chriss is not. Henson is 28. Past his prime is malarkey. The choice on Henson, and our other $10 million-ish (or more) vets is, do we try and trade them mid-season for picks/prospects or let them play the season out. If tge latter, then do we makexa run at signing them (TT, Knight, Delly, JC, Henson). Chriss is a UFA this summer. He plays the same position as Love and Nance (though all 3 can play small ball 5). We are close to the tax, so our likely 3 FA signings (10 signed +… Read more »
What Jason said. No one is taking Henson this summer unless the Cavs take a worse deal back (Dion Waiters?)
Got it, to which I say “that sucks.”
http://harvardsportsanalysis.org/2015/05/player-progression-in-the-nba/
Past his prime is statistical fact… prime NBA ages are 25-27. Obviously every player is unique, but there’s no question about the probabilities. Harvard analytics did a very tidy study on it… check it out.
I’m only addressing Nate’s assertion that Henson is worth keeping over Chriss, with which I disagree. My point about keeping Chriss had nothing to with contracts or cap ramifications… it was just an analysis of both players in a vacuum.
I sort of agree, but just based on following the nba for my whole life, it seems to me it would go from about 25-29 for most stars. Peak overlap between developed skills and athleticism. Meaning those are typically the prime superstar or all star years for most guys. Absolute peak years are probably 26-27 though.
Well, of course “star” NBA player is different than “average” NBA player. The HA study is based on an average NBA players… not star NBA players, and I think it’s safe to say Henson and Chriss fall closer to the former rather than the latter.
But, yes… you nailed the caveat… “stars” or “elite” players tend to age MUCH better…. by usually 5 or 6 years when you look at NFL aging curve studies.
I’m very skeptical on this. When Hetrick studied this at gotbuckets using 2 year apm (similar to bpm, but lineup based rather than box score based) he found that the plateau didn’t really fall off till the early thirties, around 31 and accelerating at 32 and offensive and defensive tradeoffs surrounding effectiveness (athleticism vs experience) didn’t tilt in athleticism favor till later. He found peak around 27-31 though varied by position. I’m highly skeptical of any study that finds 28 to be “past prime” nba years and any inflection on the curve should be slight enough to be statistically negligible… Read more »
If you want to quibble with the exact numbers fine… it doesn’t change my point which is that Chriss has much more potential than Henson mainly due to age. I’d rather try to scour the NBA for talent on the rise than veterans who’ve peaked and now looking at the downside of their career, especially since they’re tanking.
Also if bpm is your thing, Henson is light years ahead of Chriss and was when he was younger too.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hensojo01.html#2013-2019-sum:advanced
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/chrisma01.html#2017-2019-sum:advanced
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As for Chriss, if he disn’t realize he is *this* close to being out of the league, and still lollygags like that, I wonder if he is either too dumb or too unmotivated to keep.
Still, one bad sequence only.
Knicks up double digits in the Spurs late 3rd.
Foemr my money, Clips & Spurs out. Kings & Lakers IN. Spurs over Clips. Kings over Lakers.
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Hey Nomad – thanks for asking, today our little guy after 10 days got back to his birthweight! No significant setbacks, gaining weight and now allowed to have daily cuddles with his parents. He is still tiny and won’t be out of hospital for another 3-4 weeks, but he’s doing as well as can be expected and has an amazing bunch of professionals looking after him. Bonus that hospital IT haven’t yet stopped me streaming Cavs games over their Wifi either, which I will keep riding until they shut me down :) Shout out to all you at CtB who… Read more »
Congrats to hear! From what I know, especially from my mom who worked in healhcare (she actually went on some dates with Nate Thurmond after treating his dad!), and from having an older brother that was a dangerous emergency birth and born green, every day of forward progess reduces the risks more and more.
So glad things are going well and I hope you’re not getting into trouble checking in with us.
Ps. After a pretty long hospital stay at birth my brother turned out fine…well besides the fact that he’s kinda a dick and lives in San Francisco…
Awesome news Simmo.
Great news Simmo, glad to hear it. Exposure to Cavs games at such a young age can be so beneficial in early growth ;) Or so I hear anyhow!
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I’ve been a Zz fan since we got him. Glad to see him putting in the work and being rewarded.
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God, that ole’ by Chriss as Noah dunked is something you rarely see on the playground, let alone organized basketball. That was embarrassing.
Nurkic/Kanter is two seriously big guys/bruisers. Zizic & Love gonna need help on the glass.
Good cap. Agree on Sauce, JC, & Clarkson being poor, and the bad night for Larry (though that hook shot in the 4th was big). But 500k for a Sauce gamble is no biggie. Not sure Henson & Chriss are the same type of player at all, but Henson is certainly better. Though I agree on YB baby steps, there was a P&R with Love (in the midst of KL splashing 3s everywhere) where YB drove & both defenders went with him. Leaving Love lonesome at the arc. YB never even looked and drove into a 3rd defender into a… Read more »
Thanks for the heads up on the mistakes. Long day personally that affected the recap. I cleaned it up. Especially comical was the Toronto reference. I’m just so used to Valanciunas being there!
And yeah. Sexton had some misses on bad shots, a couple turnovers that were pretty rough and missed some reads, but he is getting better at so many different things. He’s not gonna fix everything all at once, but he hasn’t platteaued.
Agreed 100% on the player assessments moving forward.
on Larry Drew.. call me impressed.. he has shepherded that cavs through the valley of darkness.. they are playing well.. youngins are growing nicely.. they are now a fairly competitive crew.. i am assuming the team likes him.. he seems knowledgeable and competent.. he inherited a nightmare, but kept his cool.. the team kept working and growing through the dark times.. the future is looking far better than almost anyone could have imagined.. and i believe that Drew was a big factor.. So.. rather than hope for someone “better” (price, hamlin.. whoever).. i think you reward Drew with a contract..… Read more »
I agree about Drew. Let’s see how he can shepard this rebuild next season. Id like to know if he can keep everyone growing or if they just naturally had to get better than the dumpster fire they started as.
If Cedi, Sexton, and Nance continue to improve through next season at the pace they have thus far, then Drew deserves a parade and we will be relevant again faster than anyone will be able to believe.
If not, then we look elsewhere, but I still think he will have made things better than he found them.
Eh, I’m hesitant to say that Drew is the long-term answer for coach. For that, I would definitely look at Price, Hamlin, possibly Walton if he’s let go. That being said, when has Gilbert ever allowed any coach to be considered “long-term”.
Im not sure about “long term” either. I don’t think Drew is the coach to lead us to a championship, but the Cavs aren’t the team for that now either.
I do think he could be a great coach for the next year + to build under, as long as we keep moving forward. Better than coach hunting and starting over every year like Phoenix.
Definitely better than coach hunting. One of the problems with a lot of teams is not giving HCs enough time to actually implement a system over the course of multiple seasons. That’s the dilemma though. Do you sink time into a coach that might not be all that great, ultimately. Or do you cut ties in search of a perennial coach capable of establishing long-term success regardless of roster.
re chriss.. as a cheerleader on the talent, i must admit that i had to re-run the noah “event” several times.. the “potted plant” approach to D just won’t cut it.. if he is just a pampered child, happy with where his bank account is.. he needs to be expunged.. immediately.. 1 warning.. you “lollygag” once more like that with ZERO effort.. you are gone the next day.. talent without effort and discipline is a disease.. and a contagious one at that.. amputate the disease.. before it kills the oranism..
Yeah, glad Nate included that video in the recap. That play by Chriss was horrendous.
Yeah. Chriss has moments that get me excited, but he also has stretches that make me want to give up on him.
Im willing to give it a month before I make up my mind, but if the lazy moments continue then I don’t give a damn about his potential.
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