Finals Live Thread: Warriors @ Raptors, Game 1
2019-05-30It’s that special time of the year, the NBA Finals. They feel different though this go around. This year, for the first time in eight , the kid from Akron isn’t making an appearance. This year, for the first time in four, the Cavs aren’t in it. And, the Warriors don’t have home court advantage. As the Notorious B.I.G. once said, “Things done changed.”
As Cleveland natives or sympathizers, we no longer have a rooting interest outside of the Raptors beating the only team to ever lose with a 3-1 lead, you know, the Warriors. Because, never forget history and grudges.
Anyways, here are some predictions for this year’s Finals from the Cavs: The Blog staff.
David Wood: Raptors in 7. The Warriors are still damn good, as evidenced by their destruction of the Blazers, sans Kevin Durant. But, the Raptors are just good enough defensively to give them a hard time. Kawhi Leonard might be the only guy in the league who can theoretically frustrate both Stephan Curry and Durant. Danny Green works well on Klay Thompson. He has that Spurs’ focus off the ball. Pascal Siakam can give it a go on any players the Warriors throw on the floor. The Warriors will finally face a team that can stop with them, and they’re down one of their best players. Sound familiar? Remember the 2015 Cavs taking the Warriors to six without both Irving and Love. Just like that series, I think the team that probably should win doesn’t. Good luck goes away. We finally see a series.
This is my illogical non basketball view: When I think of the Warriors, I always think of the movie with that title. I then immediately picture Curry and Green as members of the Punk gang because they’re punks, and I could never ever associate them with the actual innocent Warriors gang. As best as I can recall, the Punk gang all had on overalls. That is just not a good look if you’re taking on the Raptors, who I imagine as their name suggests would just be flying dinosaurs. Imagine the length of Siakam’s dino-talons. Those overalls the Warriors wear would provide the perfect straps for any Raptor to pick them up by and then promptly drop to the ground for victory. If we extend this exercise of judging teams based on their names, it sort of makes sense that the Cavs only prevailed once against the Warriors. In previous seasons, the matchup of a Punk vs. a Cavalier wasn’t that even. Think flick blade knives and bats going up against muskets. The musket is just too slow. This year the illogical matchup isn’t even close to being even.
Nate Smith: I know I picked Dubs in six on the pod, but I’m going full on 2007 Cavs here. Listen. The Bucks were a point from being up 3-0, but they couldn’t do it. Why? Cuz their non-freak players couldn’t hit shots. Playoff Draymond is pretty much playing like the the bowling ball version of Giannis in transition, and while I like Brogdon an awful lot, Klay and Steph are vastly superior to Brogdon and Middleton as shooters, especially in the clutch. Point Donkey will find them. Add in Iggy>>>Bledsoe and the fact that Kerr isn’t going to run the same dopey ball screen oriented sets over and over again and let Nick Nurse outcoach him, and it’s gonna be a boat race. The Bucks should’ve won that series but absolutely melted down. Golden State will do no such thing.
The Dubs, and especially Dray will be playing not to beat the Raptors, but to embarrass them. Why? Because embarrassing the Raptors is the best way for Dray to drive home the point to KD that the Warriors absolutely do not need him and his petulance. The Raps will try to go full Delly on Curry and try to make everyone else beat them. They will. This years’ MVP will be Draymond Green.
Benjamin Werth: As much as I would love to pick the Raptors in 7, I will be boringly pragmatic and take the Dubs in 6. If the Raptors can maintain their defensive discipline, they absolutely are good enough to win the championship. Well, assuming their role players hit open shots, that is. Fred VanFleet isn’t likely to shoot as well as he did in the Eastern Finals, but then Danny Green isn’t as likely to shoot as terribly either. I think this will be a terrifying series for Steve Kerr. Playing Durant before he is completely healthy is probably a must against a talented Raptors team. It also could be the wrong decision. If the Raps win Game 1, I will immediately regret my pick.
Eli Kim: Warriors in 6. The Raptors will benefit from their home court advantage and KD not being fully healthy. I predict the Dubs will at least split the first two games and then the other game they lose will be when KD comes back and throws off the chemistry a little bit. As much of a cool story VanFleet is, there’s literally only one player on the court he can guard (Steph) and even that is a mismatch. The Raptors are also very “big-centric” with Siakam, Ibaka, and Gasol probably being the three best players after Kawhi and Lowry and everyone knows how the Warriors can exploit bigs (so look for whoever VanFleet guards to be in a pick and roll).
If Anunoby comes back healthy and Danny Green gets out of his slump, there’s a chance it could go to 7 but as currently constructed, the Raptors don’t have the requisite matchups to win (even at full strength). Maybe Kawhi can slow down Durant when he comes back, or put Steph in some tough situations, but who is going to guard Klay/Draymond? Who will Lowry guard if Kawhi guards Steph for some portions (a 7 inch taller Klay or Draymond or do they try to hide him on Iguodala?). The matchups are just not in the Raptors favor (or really anyone’s favor in the NBA).
Tom Pestak: Warriors in 5 without Durant.
Justin May: I’m taking the Raptors in 7. Why? Because someone needs to and I’m tired of the Warriors. I mean, who isn’t? But for real, KD could be way more hurt than any of us might expect. A strained calf is no joke depending on its severity. If he can’t go for a chunk of the series then Kawhi won’t be stopped. I actually like that the Raptors are “big-centric”. We’ve seen a blueprint for what can beat the Warriors. Slowing things to a crawl and junking things up is the Raptors’ best shot at getting the trophy. It will allow them to work through screens to get Steph on Kawhi and Kawhi will feast.
Nance >>>>> Capella. The plan should be to build around nance at center and a super switchy squad.
I think on a non-D’Antoni team, Capella puts up reduced numbers.
YEAH DIDN’T “PLUG ” IN THE CONTRACT(s)—–THAT MAKES SENSE
Hard no on that deal for me. Capela has almost zero skill and has a ton of years left on his deal. Plus the Rockets cannot trade their 1st until 2021. And as long as Harden is there, they are likely laye 1sts. And they have next to zero in terms of good prospects.
I would rather have cap space.
He has utility against most teams. He is a rim protector and is better at that than TT ever has been or will be. Also is as good of a rebounder as TT has ever been. And probably a better lob finisher than tt has ever been. That said 4 more years at 16 mil per year is a bit too much for a late first rounder for my tastes. That is too much cap for too long.
I WOULD DO THAT DEAL IN A HEARTBEAT—–LIKED CAPPELLA WHEN HE WAS DRAFTED
As anyone noticed the glut of Cavs articles on Forbes lately by this guy, Evan Dammarell who claims to be “passionate about the Cavs”?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/evandammarell/2019/05/31/the-cleveland-cavaliers-should-try-to-trade-for-clint-capela-this-offseason/amp/
They don’t have comment sections, which I find universally annoying about online sports writing.
Just curious if others have the same reaction as I do…
That article is a joke… Tristan Thompson is the answer to the Rockets being able to beat the Warriors? C’mon now.
OK JUST DID A BEER RESAERCH–POPULAR BEERS IN EACH STATE ——-OK EVIL HELP ME OUT HERE ———–CALIFORNIA BEER CALLED –” 805 ” HAVE YOU TRIED YET / ANYONE TRIED ?————————-AND NONE OTHER IN PENNSYLVANIA A BEER CALLED ———YEP I DIDN’T BELIEVE IT WHEN I READ IT —-CALLED NONE OTHER THAN ——” EVIL GENIOUS ” ——C’MON EVIL WHY DIDN ‘T YOU LET US IN ON YOUR ” HOBBY ” —–WE HAVE HOPS HERE ON OUR HOPS FARM TO SELL YOU : )
I plead the 5th!
JOHNB—-TOTALLY AGREE–WAS THINKING THE SAME —–“WHAT IF ” LEBRON / KYRIE STAY —-THINK WE ARE LOOKING AT ANOTHER PARADE IN CLEVELAND —OH WELL—–OH SH-T !!!
Lowe and RJ talking about the difference between 2014-2016 warriors and these warriors. RJ made a big point that this team isn’t that 73 win team. They have a tiny fraction of the quality depth those teams had. Livingston was great back then (not so much anymore). Barbosa was great. Bogut was great, obviously he got injured. Barnes was not great that series, but was still probably better than most the warriors current bench. Iggy was a few years younger and less injury prone. Speights wasn’t great in the finals, but he had been great for them most of the… Read more »
Still wouldn’t touch him.
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1134579494390509568
Very entertaining and satisfying game to watch. It’s really nice to see a team that can defend both the perimeter and the paint against the dubs. Championship level basketball is usually a major test of the desire of the players. After a couple of years of winning easily, I wonder if the Warriors will be able to ramp it up if they are really challenged.
That said, a lot of wild shots went in for the Raptors. I suspect the next game may be pretty low scoring, with each team devoting more and more energy to defense.
Surprising game. Maybe Ben was right. Dubs had no answer for siakam.
Only guy they have who can really guard him is Durant, who probably is out for the series…
I don’t expect him to make quite as many acrobatic tough layups. But neither do I expect Kawhi to struggle as much. He looked slow tonight to me. Lowry probably will have a signature game. FVV will probably cool off, but you gotta hope Green will find his rhythm.
Green had some big plays late.
Also Nate, what did you think about Van Vleet’s defense on Curry? I thought it was great even though Curry scored a lot. It was mostly free throws off dumb fouls from the help defenders. Van Vleet made him work for everything.
He was definitely engaged from the half-court. Curry could Blow by anytime he wanted and regularly did but the help defense was there. And that’s where not having Kevin Durant kills you because if you can space the opposite sides of the Court with Thompson and Durant it gives you multiple options. But their non big three Shooters just aren’t good enough and Toronto is packing the paint enough that it makes that blow by not nearly as dangerous as it would be if Durant were on the court. if I were the Warriors I’d be running some screen the… Read more »
According to Dan Devine of the Ringer, Van Vleet has held Curry to 8 points on 2-for-12 shooting in 72 total possessions as his primary defender in 2018-2019. If that’s not locking him down I don’t know what is.
That’s not much of a number tbh. Tells me curry is playing for the pass on most of those possessions. It’s nice D but I bet they adjust.
If the Raps can win Game 2, they head to Oakland playing with house money and no pressure.
And it starts to be squeaky bum time in Oakland.
Pressure will be on. But even a 3-1 comeback is possible. So 0-2 is definitely doable. The warriors are well aware of that. Raptors have to take care of business at home to have a shot. GS knows that. First time they have been second seed in a finals. They were sloppy this game and were within striking distance. But good start for Toronto.
The Warriors were down 3-1 to the Rockets and Thunder in the last few years.
Rockets in 2018 I think it was 2-2 and then 3-2 for the rockets then 3-3, no? I believe 3-1 okc was 2016.
Yes that is true.
They were also UP 3-1 once I believe…
It is crazy to think the warriors had back to back 3-1 series with opposite outcomes in 2016. Once coming back and then on the receiving end of a comeback from the Cavs.
Ya, what a wild ride those playoffs were. Can’t wait to talk about it in my old age.
Good game from the Raps. GSW shut down Kawhi for the most part, but the others were great. Siakam. Gasol. FVV. Green. Even Lowry despite not scoring much.
If Iggy cannot play GSW are in serious trouble.
Oh, also Siakam cooked Bray tonight. A little rougher when you actually have to defend someone in the paint…
outstanding.. !! siakem.. let’s here it for the 2nd rounders
Not a 2nd
oops.. still a deep 1st rounder.. #27.. one more behind our upcoming #26
the point i was trying make was not negated by my error.. talent is out there.. deep in the draft.. mid 1st.. late 1st.. 2nd.. whatevah.. then give it some time to ripen.. look at siakem’s stats.. 4.2 ppg..7.3 ppg.. 16.9 ppg.. we opinion-barkers tend to think very short term about talent.. and i include myself.. sometimes, you need to say.. i really don’t know about that dude.. we will just need to wait and see
I see Curry stans are already complaining about their hero not getting enough foul calls. What did he shoot, 14 FTs? How many is enough? They are about on par with Kobe stans as far as being complete knobs.
I am still going with my Warriors in 5 prediction.
Raps in 5. Assuming no KD.
Game 2 has massive stakes now. 2 0 is a really big hole to climb out of even for the Warriors. Also, the Raptors seem to have have been instilled with the confidence and maturity of Leonard and Gasol. They don’t flail under pressure now. Ujiri deserves a ton of credit for his balls.
Yep. Danny Green helps too. Even Ibaka.
If OG returns before KD, this thing is over.
Great for Toronto.
Here’s to hoping they win game 2 also.
Also Iguodala appears he pulled something again. He wasn’t 100% to begin with. They need Durant back now. Cousins being back is the best thing to happen for the Raps. He killed them tonight and he will kill them again, although he did make some amazing passes out of the post.
He was beter than I expected, but the Raps should be able to pick and roll him to death…
Yeah complete dead weight on defense
Bwahahaa! Siakam’s TS percentage this game is hilarious. Good God.
Game 2 will be huge…if Raps take it there is a lot of pressure on GS…
1-0 Raps.
They ain’t Portland. They have froncourt scoring.
KD better hurry back.
Nice to see Bray not toying with overmatched front lines for a change…
Cool. Fun game. Amazing games by Siakam and Gasol. Kawhi had some issues. Glad to see they could overcome an off night.
Great start by the Raptors. I think this goes 7
5 unless KD plays.
Bold prediction!
Siakam with bball God’s will on that tip
Nice game, Raps…
That will probably do it…
Refs missed a push off on that Raptors O board and then Draymond gets his 5th.
Then right on the other end, refs blow the whistle almost prematurely for a soft one
Should have been offensive. Curry initiated contact on Gasol.
It was definitely offensive, but in the NBA infinite wisdom, it’s a defensive foul every time…
Horrific call on that three. Leaning in on threes should be an offensive foul.
That kind of thing is a travesty. Jumping into the defender and flailing around shouldn’t work.
The NBA apparently loves that crap…it would be so easy to completely eradicate from the game.
I will say it probably would hurt love. He does get a fair number of those.
Harden would average less than 30 if that were to happen.
Have the Dubs made every single freaking FT still?
Actually pretty good d by Green. FVV initiated contact and green contested without hitting arm.
Good game from Gasol…
Hah! Van Fleet punks Dray.
Big shot by Iggy.
I am about to be really really happy if Toronto takes Game 1.
Leonard looks a bit gimpy running since about the second qtr
Lol Freddy buckets…
That was ridiculous.
The Raptors defense is no joke. This is the most mortal Golden State has seemed in a very long time. Of course, you have to beat them 4 times which I don’t think is happening..
Very few complete breakdowns. I still shudder when I remember some of our finals games that were layup lines for the warriors.
Hell of a board by Green.
Siakam playing out of his mind
I’d put Lowry in again right now…
Klay just bumped official. Should be two techs and ejection.
Haha Klay!
Siakam has played close to a perfect game.
You ain’t lying. Shooting. Passing. Boards. Blocks. Switching.
Raptors sloppy on d and o last two possessions.
How’d that taste, Bray?
Raptors just need to play in control and focus. No more sloppy fouls. Play smart.
Green 3 on a nice push and dish from Siakam.
Back into double digits.
Danny Green! Finally!
3rd triple. Not much else other than good D.
5 on Lowry.
That is no bueno. Feel like they need him to initiate. Ill advised contest on his part.
About time for Gasol…
Cousins getting crushed out there
Or maybe you could say he is doing the crushing based on that last foul on Ibaka
Raptors have had some spectacular outlets and fast breaks this game.
Their most reliable source of scoring.
Big sequence there. VanVleet with a great layup. Stop & Siakam on the break. Back to 7.
Siakam has had some great run outs
That was an impossible layup by FVV
Siakam has been amazing…both ends…
This ain’t the way to start the fourth if the raptors want to win this.
Working. Terrible call on Lowry.
Cheap foul on Lowry…these refs haven’t been too balanced…
Very interesting lineup Kerr put out there to start the 4th
Toronto too stagnant with Kawhi isos. Bailout McCaw three.
Absolutely no off ball movement. They don’t even set flare screens to keep the defense guessing or get some open threes. That’s why it has been so difficult for Leonard to score. He also holds on to the ball far too much. He almost never gives up the ball early to create 4 on 3 situations.
Think they were flowing better when Lowry was initiating. I like Leonard starting off ball.
They need to get him the ball on the move. He can’t create enough for others if he initiates from the top of the key against a set defense and a motionless offense.
Agree
The Devil’s own luck for GS….lose the ball, get a bucket on slop anyway…
Dubs way too close with as well as Toronto has played.
They have 18 or 20 2nd chance points and are perfect on 20 or so FTs. That will keep you in it.
And Siakam & Gasol haveneen fantastic. Their Dvery good. But Lowry is 1-6 and Kawhi 4-12.
Kawhi will need a blow soon…
Feel like GS baited Kawhi into iso there.
Why foul Curry on that floater? Would almost rather save the foul.