From Distance: The Giants’ Return
2019-10-18four point play….
1. The NBA wraps up its preseason tonight without the services of a new favorite mutant, Zion Williamson. Though it is likely that Zion’s absence is precautionary, hoops fans everywhere seem to say an extra prayer to the Basketball Gods anytime that an article mentions Zion’s knees.
I’d sacrifice three seasons of quality Cavs basketball in exchange for Zion having a healthy career. He is that much fun to watch. Hey Basketball Gods, is that on the table? Can we make that deal? Or have we already made it unknowingly? Is that why John Beilein is the coach?
The Cleveland Cavaliers’ preseason showing has given us Beilein skeptics plenty of ammunition. We all knew that the team was unlikely to produce a quality defense, but the complete lack of offensive power has surprised even this Beilein pessimist.
Thus far, Beilein’s canine inspired offense largely dances outside of the 3-point-line featuring few hard drives to the hoop via drive or roll. The action reminds me of a 1985 High School weave, one that fails to recognize that the hoop is the ultimate target.
It may seem that I am being unduly harsh on the 41 year-old (oh wait, I meant the 41 year college coaching veteran) Beilein, but thus far we have witnessed truly terrible offensive action.
The reality of it is that without any kind of downhill threat in basketball, that horizontal action yields limited results. Regardless of whether a team is running a spread PnR offense, a motion offense, or any combination, that system only functions if at least one human being is attacking the basket. It can be the ball-handler and/or the roll man, or aggressive off-ball dives, but some action MUST go towards the hoop.
That level of aggression dictates terms to a defense. It is what opens up two-on-one opportunities. Without that, the Cavs are just wandering around the perimeter putting zero pressure on the opposition. An occasional backdoor cut cannot be the only source of this aggression.
2. The most troubling example of this coaching philosophy pertains to our guy, Larry Nance Jr. Junior has been a rather consistent roll-man at the NBA level. He has developed nicely as a short roll decision-maker. In this new role as hybrid 3/4, Nance has spent the entire pre-season drifting around the perimeter playing like a disenfranchised Ryan Anderson. What gives?
I’m all for players expanding their repertoire, but for a coach to actively turn Larry Nance, arguably the best center on this roster, into a catch and shoot threat, ostensibly because of the dearth of wings, is a testament to both a losing roster construction and/or a poor understanding of skill-set.
I have been pleased by Darius Garland’s overall skill-set and poise. Garland has displayed a decent sense of pace, and seemingly understands how to bend a defense. He has even made me fist pump a few times with his natural proclivity to “Nash” it.
Well done, young fella. His body and movement remind me of Jeff Teague. Hopefully his ceiling is higher than Teague’s and he can continue to build strength like Teague did.
Matthew Dellavedova has also continued to play heady Pick and Roll basketball when a teammate actually picks and, ya know, rolls. Delly is limited as an offensive threat unless he plays with a decent roller. He can turn a decent roll man into a great one when given a chance. Come on Beilein, put guys into a position to succeed.
Collin Sexton’s development last spring seems not to have translated to this preseason. Collin is jumping around again on defense, and offensively, that left-handed dribble drive which became his staple has been replaced by this shaky righted-handed force.
He has shot the ball better than most people, including me, expected him to shoot since coming out of college, but some of his exuberance has produced off-the-dribble attempts that are less than it desirable from a player with such a mechanical stroke. Let’s just assume Collin is testing his limits in the exhibition phase.
Kevin Porter Jr may end up being the best two-way player of the three. He has shown a better understanding of angles than most young players. He also has a propensity to fire deep twos off the bounce, but at least he gets into his move quickly before the defense has time to react.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM3xdi1mghE
It is likely that the better players on this roster will be trade fodder, but it is still somewhat disappointing to look at the talent on the squad and know that the team could be one player, (or one Jordan Clarkson subtraction) away from actually being a playoff contender in a weak Eastern Conference. Or not. They’re probably three players away, and I’m still judging the roster based on my heretofore confidence in Cedi Osman’s improvement. Now would be good, Cedi.
3. Enough with the boring aspects (Cavs basketball) of the coming 2019-2020 season. An NBA junkie need look no further than the Western Conference to get her fix. My favorite team going into the season is the Dallas Mavericks. Watching Kristaps Porzingis and Luka Doncic play smoothly dominating basketball is a pleasure for anyone one who loves the game.
Five years ago, when I first covered the Zinger, I said that we wouldn’t know exactly what he would be in the league until he actually went through puberty. Well, boy has done become a man. Porzingis’s strength has increased greatly over the last year during his recovery from his knee injury.
That opportunity to continually work on his overall physique might end up turning him into an All-NBA player this season. Between the dude’s relaxed 3-point flick, blocks coming on-ball or off rotation, mid-post magic alà Dirk Nowitzki, the Unicorn is affecting the game at all levels.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EBRspIySFg
Add the entertainment of watching Boban Marjanovic play with Porzingis up front, and my fandom starts to get a little uncomfortable. Where are those Cleveland Mavs shirts again?
4. The idea that Small-Ball may be going extinct is gaining steam. If you look around the league, the overall size of the contenders is daunting.
In the East, the Bucks feature two Lopez brothers with range, (if people haven’t noticed, Robin Lopez is looking to emulate his brother’s development this season and has been rocking the three ball) Ersan Ilyasova, huge wing Kris Middleton, and the Freak himself. That length and shooting is going to be impossible to win against during the regular season.
The Sixers also employee a giant lineup with Horford added to the mix. Obviously any squad gets a size boost when the point guard is a legit 6’10”. Josh Richardson’s 6’6″ frame at the two further adds length to starting lineup that was already giant even when JJ Redick was in there.
Unless the Clippers or the Warriors make the Finals, the Championship Round will will feature two huge teams fighting it out from all parts of the floor. The Lakers with LeBron, Anthony Davis, and JaVale McGee/Dwight Howard up front will present size problems for anybody. A short rolling Anthony Davis with the lob opportunity to either center has been destroying defenses all preseason. Davis is right there with Giannis for the “best player alive, regular season”.
Draymond Green, Steph Curry, and Kawhi Leonard will do their best to prevent the giants from taking home the chip this season. One could toss James Harden into that previous sentence. No matter what, it will be a tall task.
So, as of right now, roster stands at 13:
Guards: Garland, Sexton, Knight, Delly, Clarkson
Wings: Osman, Windler, Porter
Bigs: Love, TT, LNJ, Henson, Zizic
Two ways: Wade, Cook
With Zizic, Windler, & Henson injured.
Did I forget anyone?
Godspeed, Jarell.
https://twitter.com/ChrisFedor/status/1185620327738556417?s=20
https://twitter.com/kelseyyrusso/status/1185576547929022464
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/1185566674705158145?s=20
Words of truth from Dray about crappy orgs. But quiche still sucks. https://deadspin.com/draymond-green-says-we-should-blame-shitty-franchises-1839128393
Let’s see what Bray says later in the season.
THANK GOD FOR OHIO STATE FOOTBALL——-WOW !!—–GO BUCKS !!!!
https://www.si.com/nba/2019/10/18/nba-preview-anonymous-scout-takes From Sports Illustrated, anonymous scouts on the Cavs. These stood out: I think it’s going to be bad. It’s a really misshapen, we’re-trying-to-lose type of roster. . . . Sexton made some improvements as the season went on. I didn’t see point guard play out of him. He was a scorer who had a ball in his hands a lot. Nobody cheered for himself more in blowouts than Collin Sexton. . . . Throw in the new fivethirtyeight metric that showed Sexton had the worst season of ANY player in the last five years… It’s going to be a… Read more »
One of the enormous problems with means/averages and aggregate data sets is that they ignore context and also can Weight 82 games the same. Do I care that Sexton was abjectly awful for his first 50 games or do I care that he wasn’t for his last 30 and that he showed massive improvement? The latter.
Also? Maven has pretty much driven si off a cliff.
hmmm.. please correct me if i am wrong.. the heat have an undrafted rookie sg (kendrick nunn) who has just put up 30 against the rockets, with 8m left in the 4th qtr.. we have anybody like that on the cav-nots?
oops.. now up to 37 pts with 5:25m left.. wow.. this kid can shoot.. but what the heck.. let’s grab luke skywalker at $5.. there is no one with a functioning brain in the entire cavs organization.. utterly totally bankrupt..there are dudes who can be picked up out of the undrafted trash heap who are better prospects than the cavs high first rounders.. anyone else going to point out this stuff, or is it just too uncomfortable?
Preseason means basically nothing. People talked up Coby White. Likely the best shooting game he has ever had. Just in the zone. It happens. Brandon Jennings put up 55 points as a rookie. Where is he again? If people think one preseason performance means a guy is going to be an all star, then they are the hottest of hot takers. Yeesh. Let’s see what happens by December or January before saying this guy sucks or this scrub who got hot in preseason is a future all star. I get it, it’s fun to overreact to every other game. It… Read more »
did i state that someone “sucked” or was going to be an “all-star”.. no.. just pointing out that an undrafed 24 yr old rookie, who could have been picked up for league minimum, just put up 40.. i find that interesting.. and troubling.. as to december or january.. this team will be lucky to have 5 wins on january 1 2020.. unless garland becomes the 2nd coming of james harden.. i hope the kid does well, in full honesty.. i don’t have a problem with garland.. i have a problem with the cavs organization.. as far as prospects go, i… Read more »
You do realize you are borderline suggesting the Garland was such a terrible pick that the #5 could’ve been better spent on a guy that went undrafted? You also say all the Cavs front office is clueless while ignoring that a bunch of teams would’ve taken Garland at #5 if they could have. Now you can argue that all of those teams are also stupid if you want. The problem there is then you are claiming to know better than a massive amount of the NBA. That leads to the whole “if everyone else seems crazy and wrong, maybe you… Read more »
perhaps i was a tad hyperbolic with 5.. maybe they win 7..
Yeah you basically said the Cavs first rounders suck, “there are dudes who can be picked up out of the undrafted trash heap who are better prospects than the cavs high first rounders.” You’re the hottest of hot takers. Every game something different.
Also the Cavs will suck. No one they could have taken at four or after was going to change that this year. Thankfully, no one expects them to be trying to compete for the playoffs. If love is healthy, Beinlein isn’t completely a failure, and they don’t tank, they will be better than last year.
when one of our stars puts up 40pts in 40m.. i will change my opinion.. garland has played 25 m once.. 11m and 14m in 2 other games, and “injured” in another.. herro has played 25 m per game.. is garland too fragile for both summer league AND pre-season, or are we saving him as our secret weapon, to unleash him upon the unsuspecting league next week
other lower picked rooks seem to be doing well.. even outperforming expectations.. ours.. not so much.. numbers don’t lie.. i hope garland is in the running for RoY.. i hope he wins it and becomes another steph curry.. when he begins to play on a regular basis (30-35m per game) and show us a steady game.. i will be thei first to applaud and say “way to go kolby and beilein”.. until then, i am unimpressed..
and as far as team performance goes.. the older love gets, the more creaky he will become.. betting on a “healthy” love is likely not a good bet.. is there a vegas line on the number of games love will play this year? i will check that out and get back to you.. i fully agree with analysis that says that the composition of the team is built for frequent and significant failure.. i see a vast majority of the games being blowiouts going into the 4th quarter, but ending in “respectable” losses as opposing teams bring in their bench… Read more »
Preseason numbers often do. I don’t really care how good guys are compared to other rookies unless they are way behind. Garland and Porter Ur were drafted as guys that might need longer but may have higher ceilings.
He won’t be in the running for rookie of the year. He played 5 college games but has tangible elite skills. He will likely take a few years to learn the game. If you have an issue with him it should be fit.
kendrick nunn played 40m against the rockets.. garland has barely played 50m in pre-season.. what’s up with that? is the knee a problem.. do we have 2 fragile, frequently injured rooks on the team? if so.. doesn’t say much for the front office..
Buck…you keep repeating hot takes over and over while pretty much ignoring 95% of the context of everyone’s responses to you.
Playing Garland for 40 minutes in the preason would be monumentally stupid. These were his first games back in loke 10 months. No team in their right mind would play a guy for 40 minutes in their first games back after that long of an injury in a PLAYOFF game, not to mention it is a meaningless preseason game.
So Buck, if you want to discuss the Cavs with us here, great, do so. If you are just going to keep repeating yourself, spitting bile, and being rude to the people that are trying to politely engage in conversation with you then I imagine a lot of us will just start ignoring you. If you want to DISCUSS things, I’m happy to do so. Otherwise I’ll just stop replying to you for a ouple months until you invariably change your mind again after a few wins. By the way, numbers DO lie. “There are three kinds of lies: Lies,… Read more »
Herro was considered a reach. Good for the heat. Also different type of player.
Come on, man. Literally someone has to score at these end of preseason garbage games. You can’t take pot shots over and over. Also, you sound like a broken record.
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/1185269876904083458?s=20
Also I am 100% on board for the inevitable quiche screw-up in a big game.
They should snap him up quick-like. But they likely won’t. (and no, I don’t think he’s some hidden gem)
I don’t either. But he’s better than Jarrell Martin
“WITHOUT THE RIM’S CONSENT “—-LOVE IT —HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT ONE : )
Porzingis is capable of assaulting the basket in so many ways, with or without the rim’s consent.
Ha! Bad da ba.
Nice piece, Ben. The Cavs really need to develop LNJr. He has the athleticism, work ethic, and unselfishness. There’s no reason he can’t replicate the overall value that Anderson Varejão provided (holy cow the autocorrect just put that tilde in over the a…)
I agree. But as Ben and I have noted, this new offense neuters him.
I have zero faith in Koby or the coach.
Our roster construction is beyond stupid. A buch of combo guards who cannot playmake or defend and a buch of bigs who cannot shoot (save for Love) or block shots (save for Henson, who is hurt) and next to no wings (Osman & Porter).
15 wins. Max. Love will be dealt.
Oops, nice piece Ben!
I’m not saying any of that. I need to see the product on the court in the regular season first.
Just to be clear, I hope I am wrong.
I hate system coaches. Build a system that maximizes the guys you have rather than trying to make them do things they aren’t good at ( or refusing to utilize them correctly.
That is what I am seeing. Not encouraging.
Albeit VERY early.
good to have some company.. the deficits seem to me to be self-evident.. but some who have eyes refuse to see
In case u missed Simmo’s tweet below.
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/1185183061123780608
If you’ve been too busy to catch anything preseason except for a few player tweets, you need only read Ben Werth’s roundups. He’s across the details. Thanks Ben. Re: Cedi – I have not been able to shake the feeling that he’s not going to go to the next level. I’m not sure what it is – I think he is capable but when I watch him play he seems like he thinks everyone is watching him. He rarely seems to play “carefree”. He seems at his best when thundering down the court on a break of some kind (less… Read more »
NOMAD I think this means Thornwell wanted to stay.
Teams passing on White, Herro, and Thybull are looking super foolish. This is going to end up being a loaded class, and trams who traded back are looking smart. I don’t hate Garland’s skill set, but I am worried about his lack of functional nba strength, ability to stay healthy, and over reliance on 8th grade looking floaters. He still has an absolutely live handle and j. But the jury’s gonna be out for a year until he can prove he can stay in the floor and add muscle. Also, the guys the Cavs passed on are going to color… Read more »
Thybull was completely predictable. The Cavs have a screaming need for someone like him. (of course they have a screaming need for a lot of things)
Not sold on White at all. I like Garland a lot, one just has to wonder if he’s going to be constantly day to day with niggling injuries. He will be an offensive powerhouse down the line, if he can stay on the court, imo. Nice to have a guy who can score and find open guys.
See above. Preseason hot takes.
I missed me some Ben Werth! Also, you totally echoed my sentiments from earlier this week Ben on Beilein, the Cavs O, etc. Thanks for contexttualiIng the missing “go towards the basket” part of my analysis. And yes, now would be a good time for Cedi to stop being garbage. Also, I too am excited to watch the Mavs, Pelicans, and about a dozen other teams this year. It’s going to be the most competitive season in some time. One thing that’s going to happen out west: teams that dedicate significant stretches of their schedule to load management are going… Read more »