Recap: Orlando 94, Cleveland 85 (or, Nobody puts Larry in a Corner)
2019-10-24There were a lot of subtitle possibilities on this one: “Square pegs, round holes;” “John F-Lein;” “Failing to plan is planning to fail…” In the end, I opted for an homage to Patrick Swayze. Just like baby, no one should put Larry in a corner.
Now I get it. There’s a line between trying to expand a player’s game and trying to have guys stick to what they’re good at, but to say Larry Nance struggled at times trying to be a 3/4 in Beilein’s offense would be an understatement. Larry went 1-5 from deep, and those were all “he’s wide open for a reason” shot attempts. Still, Larry had some nice moments, finished the game with 9 points and 14 boards, was only -3, and was key to the Cavs multiple runs that kept this close.
And close the wine and gold came, having cut a lead that was in the high teens to just six at the end of the third, and then dropping it to six again with 42 seconds left after a garbage time surge. But it was all too little too late. John Beilein’s substitutions were painful, as he tended to platoon the Sexton/Garland and Dellavedova/Clarkson back-courts. The chemistry was not there for either unit.
Sexton/Garland spent a lot of the game going your turn/my turn in an attempt to run an offense they didn’t quite understand (as did no one watching). They looked at their best when running pick/and roll, but absolutely could not feed anyone in the post. Unfortunately, they spent much of the game chucking up shots instead of feeding their big men. Collin Sexton finished 5-15 and Garland 3-9 while Kevin Love only got 10 shots and often spent long stretches without touching the ball. Someone needs to tell Garland that he can get a 20-footer any time he wants and that eight seconds into the shot clock shouldn’t be a time he wants to shoot it.
The Cavs’ guards have to/have to/have to have it drilled into their heads that they should never take more shots than the Cavs’ lone all-star. One thing that often happened was Sexton and Garland getting the ball on the wing or the corner and then getting hard doubled by the Magic. Orlando seemed completely prepared for this, and likely picked up a tidbit from scouting the Cavs in preseason. Sexland was unprepared for this tactic and the Cavs’ little guards were engulfed by the Magic’s bracketing. Each finished with three turnovers, and more than one of Sexton’s misses was due to this. It was also a reason the Cavs couldn’t get the ball to Love on the block.
Of course, there were multiple open looks for the Cavs’ big men, but there was also an inability of the Cavs’ guards to even spot post entry angles or note when the Cavs’ big guys got position or a mismatch. It’s a shame, too, because the Cavs big trio played fairly well. While Love was a game low -15 much of that came because he played in a lot of the Cavs’ strange lineups that featured too much Jordan Clarkson and Kevin Porter Junior. Love still put up 11/18/3 while Nance posted 9/14 and Tristan Thompson looked particularly spry with 16/11 on 8-11 from the floor. Thompson’s hook is a thing now, and he has become deadly accurate finishing with it in the paint. He out-muscled the Orlando big men all day and then got to the hook. More of that, please.
While Sexand expectedly struggled, the real disaster this game was bench law firm of Clarkson, Dellavedova, and Porter Jr. Delly was anemic offensively, and his jumper has fallen off a cliff. He launched multiple bricks from three. (I’m being nice. He was in danger of shooting down low flying planes), and Orlando was practically giving him the lane to drive through and he wouldn’t take it. To his credit, he did throw in some knuckle floaters later in the night as the coaching staff probably told him he had to look for his own shot inside.
No, the big issue this game was the Cavs’ two “wolves” who had been empowered in the pre-season to take stupid hunt for shots. Chucky Clarkson and Karmelo Porter Jr. Combined for a mind numbing 2-18 from the field with KPJ posting an 0-fer. Jordan dribbled around for long stretches, refused to move the ball, and then launched odd shots, or just came down and jacked up threes a couple seconds into the clock. KPJ seemed completely out of his depth and pairing these guys with Love and Delly for long stretches was a disaster.
The guy Beilein owes the biggest apology to is Cedi Osman, who had a really solid start, then didn’t see the floor for a huge stretch of time. Cedi put up 13/3/2, two steals, and led the team with +6. Sadly, Cedi missed two triples in the fourth when no one was within 12 feet of him. Those misses were demoralizing. But he hit some shots late and finished 3-6 downtown. Cedi needed to play at least five more minutes, and KPJ at least five fewer.
Also strangely absent was Brandon Knight who had a big preseason and posted a DNP. Maybe he was salty about not starting. Honestly, he’d have been better starting. Garland and Sexton should be staggered more. If any member of the media had any guts, they’d ask coach if the decision to start Garland was his or the front office’s. I’m betting it’s the latter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVQxl02Mc80
As for the Magic, Vuc looked great: 21/9/3. Markelle Fultz is all the way back from the brink and was explosive with 12 points and 6 dimes, including this monster dunk. Oh, and Mo Bamba is gonna be really really really good. He cashed an easy seven and seven in 14 minutes. If there’s a place to trade Kevin Love to, Orlando would be a good fit, and the Cavs would do well to get Bamba. That’s probably not happening.
We’ll see what happens going forward, but I can’t shake the feeling that the Cavs shouldn’t be putting Larry in a corner and away from the basket and the middle of the floor. I also can’t shake the feeling that the Cavs could have played a lot better in this one with a more cohesive offense that involved guys, you know, moving towards the basket, and designing a game plan with a more cohesive substitution patterns and lineups. Of course, when you’re openly tanking, maybe that’s the point.
Wish we’d have held onto Rose & DWade for Bron’s last run.
BTW, Hunter had a good night fir the Hawks, and Trae was making shots from the center circle logo. (about the 5th-6th highlight below).
Dude can PLAY. I think the Hawks have a legit shot at the POs. #7-#8.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tdlprUgxCP8
I hate Trae young.
I like Cedi’s contract. He was good with Love last year. He is not an all-star, but he can be a useful NBA player for a long time. $7 mil is not too much for that. Rotation level player.
HEY BUCKAROO –YEP HUGE STEPPEWOLF FAN—PLAYED BEFORE ANY ATHLETIC CONTEST(S) —” GET MY MOTOR RUNNIN ” : ) ——YOU DON’T HAVE A SHORT FUSE –JUST ” PASSIONATELY OPINIATED ” : )
https://twitter.com/josh2saint/status/1187431260169228288?s=20
Hahahahahahahahahahahah snap!
Rockets v Clippers will be fun.
The Cavs may have a better D than GS. Duping all those silicon Valley schmucks into season tix to a team with 5 scrubs in the rotation was a masterstroke.
Cavs top 10 in defensive efficiency!!! lol
Long may that last …. ;)
hear, hear!!!
Klay repping Marquese Chriss – “We’ve revived him” – as a reason they’ll make the playoffs. Ho ho ho.
I’m already loving watching him.
https://twitter.com/SethPartnow/status/1187575590473359360?s=20
https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1187567072232038400?s=20
So enjoyable.
Actually, two all-stars (Dray & DeRo).
I absolutely love the way Milwaukee guards Harden. Just 100% overplay his left hand.
We just gave Cedi, literally a bottom five NBA defender and one of the worst players overall a huge contract? Why???
Because 24 mil over 3 years is not huge
Yup… and in a league starved for wings and Cleveland just not being a FA destination, they’re pretty much forced to take a chance like this. And it’s infinitely better than a potential max contract Brandon Ingram LOL.
It’s going rate, hardly ‘huge’. And may be a bargain. ‘One of the worst players overall’ –LOL.
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NOMAD bro.. you taken any “magic carpet rides” lately? you must be a huge john kay/steppenwolf fan from back in the day, as was i.. and still am.. that was some good stuff
that is probably a win-win..~7.5 per yr.. reasonable.. still young enough to get better, and he has shown significant growth.. apparently, a steady decent fellow.. i’m in.. steady is good, in fact, brother NOMAD can be a steadying influence on uncle buck’s short fuse
Agreed, and remember it’s frontloaded, so he gets like 8.5 next year but will be making under 7 at the end of the contract.
for those who think uncle buck doesn’t play fair.. rooks who have shitted in their shorts on their first game.. cam reddish #10 tonight).. jarrett ciulver #6 (last night).. others to follow… all things being equal.. i would rather see out-performance than shorts-shitting, though obviously, we are dealing with small sample sizes.. still, it is what is.. pj washington was wonderful out-performance last eve.. cam reddish is shitting himself this evening.. but the jitters can do that to anyone.. and when a rook has no jitters and kills it, perhaps that is worth noting..
Good deal.
https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1187530218652741638
That shows a lot of faith in Cedi’s development for the future. That could be a tremendously good deal, or a crappy one.
Less than 8 mil. Not a bad contract.
unless he’s league worst again…. but agree that it’s a relatively low risk lottery ticket.
Fair point, and anyone who wants to second guess this contract should say so now, and not down the line. Take your position now. I think it’s a good deal for both, each side taking a risk.
It’s a moderate risk. Much less risk than a jaylen brown…
LOL here for the Celtics slander.
Very. I like it.
I think it is a good decision and a rather small risk for the Cavs. If Cedi does not continue to get better he will be getting overpaid but the risk is minimal when also considering that the contract is frontloaded and Cedi’s salary goes down each year to help provide more cap space for when the Cavs are ready to contend.
It really seems like a win win. Cedi is paid more than he’s earned now while potentially being paid notably below his value by the time the team’s cap space becomes more crucial.
A small contract with guaranteed money like that is also very easy to trade.
Good additional point.
I actually didn’t have a problem with sexton’s play till the traps and the second shots. Thought he played well early. Made some nice passes too.
yup agreed. really he lost it after the first quarter.
It’s ridiculous IMO that some of y’all are so quick to blame Beilein for the offense when the three best perimeter players are age 24 (Cedi), 20 (Sexton), and 19 (Garland). This is exactly what an offense looks like that’s run by guys these age with 12 official practices this season for a first year NBA coach. If there’s not improvement by the end of the year, then that would be a different judgment. Also, it’s apparent that some of y’all haven’t studied Beilein’s offense if you think it’s all just lateral movement without going to the basket. Some of… Read more »
My issue is that they shouldn’t have changed the offense to begin with. It was tailor made for Love and Nance in the High post elbows. You tailor your offense around your best players.
To what end though? Cleveland’s offensive efficiency was 25th last year, IMO the offense needed changing. Running high post offense last year didn’t do a whole lot of good. And the analytics crowd in here screams bloody murder about 3s and layups., which is exactly what Beilein’s offense generates when ran properly. And what I’m addressing is the central criticism that there’s no action to the basket… that’s just ignorance about the system and the players running it. I agree that they should touch the ball more… but I’m not blaming Beilein now when the guys that are supposed to… Read more »
I’m not ready to blame Beilein’s offense so quickly, but Nate’s point about the usefulness ofvthe preestablished Cav’s offense is HUGELY supported when viewed with the context of Kevin Love.
Last year when Love played the Cavs actually had the #8 offense in the league! Pretty damn impressive for a lottery team with a rookie point guard, isn’t it?
I don’t blame Beilein for wanting to establish his own offensive principles as the new head coach, but he would do well to recognize, utilize, learn from, and incorporate things that were actually surprisingly effective and successful from last year.
You’re literally basing the idea Beilein’s “misusing” KLOVE on one regular season against Orlando’s huge front court? Sorry, just can’t buy that idea right now.
Not sure if you were responding to me or Nate Kevin Love. Personally I absoltely agree thar 1 game is way too small of a sample size. I prefer arctic cold takes on the NBA, especially for teams massively in flux like the Cavs right now. I did reference Love’s effectiveness with last year’s offense in support of Nate’s reasoning and concerns, but I by no means am ready to pass overall judgement yet (and if I understand Nate, I believe he was stating “concerns” more than passimg judgement). There were several reasons the Cavs offense couldn’t produce enough for… Read more »
Even though Cedi had to feed Love with a tricky cross key skip pass, his aim was ttue and it instantly led to Orlando fouling Love as he reached to recieve the pass… Long story short, Beilein will have to train the youngsters on post entry passes to avoid that weakness again this year. Beyond that, now we can all watch to see how Beilein addresses the poor distribution of usage throughout the roster. Personally I am excited and hopeful to see how Beilein adapts and addresses such issues throughout the season and I’m looking forward to the first of… Read more »
And such a setup has the benefit of taking pressure off Garland & Sexton to run the offense.
Love/Nance at the high post/elbows; Love post ups, Cedi/Delly P&Rs, Knight initiating. That is what our offense should be. THEN go with Garland/Sexton learning (Garland more), TT post ups, and last Clarkson/Porter wolfing.
It looks to me like Beilein has it almost completely upside down. And I guess one could make the argument we are gonna stink anyway, so let the youngsters learn.
Porter JR is as raw as far as knowing how to play as his college tape made him out to be. This is not surprising, but Belein cannot be lax when he makes bad decisions. Needs to point it out to him during games, not just in film study. Same for Sexton and Garland. Thank God Garland has at least some vision. I worry about Sexton and Clarkson highjacking shots from Love. In some ways I wish Love was more of a vocal leader. I worry guys don’t realize it is his team as far as him being the alpha.… Read more »
Beilein addressed Sexton overstepping his role last night in the press scrum. He called him out for trying to play PG last night too many times over Garland. Said that Sexton needs to stay off the ball and play his role as an off ball attack guard.
Good. But I hoped he discussed it with Sexton prior to the press conference.
hard to imagine Sexton wasn’t told in game… it was obvious to me just watching.
Yeah. Find this kind of dumb. They should just stagger them.
I disagree… who would you replace him with? Delly can’t space the floor, and I don’t think Clarkson should start with the lack of wing depth right now. Maybe Knight? But is Knight really any better than Sexton? I don’t know…. but maybe that’s the answer.
This is great news.
https://twitter.com/mcten/status/1187459350077403137
Yes
Just gotta play sexton and Garland together. They were easily the two best cavaliers last night. Cedi and delly and Clarkson should never play.
Uh. Two best Cavaliers? TT and Cedi say different.
Cols maybe?
I understand criticizing Cedi in general, but him and TT carried and saved the team from embarrassment many times this game.
GOING WITH JMAY’S APPROACH —-DON’T LET THE ” REBUILD PROCESS ” EAT YOU UP ——–TRY TO FIND A GLIMMER OF POSITIVE IN EACH GAME AND MOVE FORWARD —–OTHERWISE IT WILL BE A LONG SEASON FOR ALL OF US HERE AT CTB ——SEE WHAT ADJUSTMENTS BEILEIN MAKES —-ESPECIALLY ROTATION WISE —FROM 1ST GAME…. HOPING TO SEE KLOVE BREAK THE 20 PT BARRIER AND GARLAND TAKE MORE STEP BACK SHOTS AND CLARCKSON TAKE LESS ” CLUNKER ” SHOTS / TAMING OF THE WOLF !!!
I’m going with watching Garland and Windler improve.
Yeah me too.
With the amount of missed shots and turnovers from the Cavs leading to Orlando spending a third or their offense in transition it is actually a little impressive that the Cavs held them to under 100.
Im not trying to delude myself into thinking the Cavs defense was at all “good”, but keeping the Magic under 100 after the Cavs missed that many shots is at least worth mentioning.
There were some moments of decent defense in transition as well. None that I looked at and thought were necessarily “lock down” moments, but at least they covered all the men and ran the shooter off his catch and shoot.
great point IMO, thought the same thing… indication that JB Bickerstaff knows what he’s doing…. especially nice how they locked down better in the 2nd half… gave up only 39 points which is stellar.
I REALLY like Bickerstaff stepping up and eating the Tech to call out the refs got letting the young Cavs get cheap shotted several times. Im not even blaming the loss of refs or complaining about them that much, everyone knows rookies and young players lose the benefit of the doubt in the NBA and it’s a fact of life. Im just really happy to see Bickerstaff standing up for the players on Game One. The Cavs have had a string of coaches that have been pretty passive in recent history and I know many of us were frustrated when… Read more »
Hey, at least we didn’t give up 130 points?
You rebuild with a rock solid defense…/s
This season will be no fun for me if I dwell on all the garbage bags we leave on the floor at the end of the night. Going to approach this season with as much optimism as I can muster.
Totally get it, and it is very difficult to be honest in a recap versus keeping optimism.
Oh definitely, my statement was not meant as any sort of criticism of your recap. After all, I’m not the one who had to dissect the tape. Easier to stay positive when you don’t have to analyze.
Oh didn’t think u were calling me out. It’s a tough line.
F-lein is awful. We are awful. Our offensive scheme is mibd-numbingly stupid.
There were some superfluous and seemingly pointless actions last night. That said, declaring a coach awful is a little premature after a single regular season game when the team has barely played together. I was skeptical of the hiring, but I think making that declaration in 2-3 months after having seen little to no progress is more sensible.
IF WE THINK KLOVE IS OLD AND SLOW —THEN HEY WHAT DO ALL THE GM’S THINK AROUND THE LEAGUE —-WOULD PROBABLY NOT EVEN GET A 1ST ROUND PICK FOR HIM —IF THAT IS THE CASE —THEN NO USE IN TRADING HIM
Hard to judge Love from this game. Tough for him with Magic bigs, and playing with a new system etc.
Old and slow does not get 18 rebounds in the NBA.
WATCHED SOME OF THE REPLAY—-YOU MAKE SOME VERY GOOD POINTS —LNJ —PLAY TO HIS STRENGTH / 3 PT CORNER SHOT SHOULD BE A SECONDARY / THIRD OR LOWER OPTION –NOT HIS PRIMARY ——–WE HAVE ALL SAID (POST GAME ) KLOVE NEEDS MORE TOUCHES —IT WILL HELP THE OTHER PLAYERS AROUND HIM ALSO —–BELIEVE GARLAND STILL LEARNING THE PRO GAME -( WILL TAKE AWHILE )–CAN SEE HIM WHEN HE GETS MORE IN TUNE / CONFIDENT –GETTING AND TAKING THOSE 3 PT SHOTS AT WILL ——IF THERE IS / WAS A ‘SALTINESS ” BETWEN BEILEIN AND KNIGHT —-HEY THIS IS THE NBA… Read more »
The Cavs really have too many young chuckers (and a vet chucker like JC doesn’t help). It will be a challenge for Beilein to get this team to run some sort of coherent offense rather than a bunch of guys just taking shots.
Porter could be a nice addition to an established team, where he might come in for 8 minutes a game, but I think he’s going to be terrible for this team, at least this season.
Indiana next, doubt that’ll be pretty. At least there are a couple of good TNT game tonight.
Cavs should be okay but they are very inconsistent. Was weird not to see Brandon Knight not play…i would have played him over delly and/or clarkson. The clarkson/kpj combo will be rough but Cavs dont have much options and have feeling they want Windler taking that spot when he returns from injury. Cavs also missed lot of open shots or lightly contested shots, think if they hit half those they maybe pull out a win. Would have loved to see Garland shoot more, think he can easily get 20/game If Cedi wants to take next step he has to hit… Read more »
Agreed in general except the takes on Cedi…he has had plenty of consistency problem that open the door for criticism, but this game didn’t show much of that problem. His two open threes he missed were tough on the team’s momentum at the time, but those wete jus only misses that were really his fault. His other two misses were ofc of a bad transition pass from JC and a hope-and-a-prayer long triple attempt as the shot lock expired. All in all, if Cexi were to continue to average the 53 FG% and 50 3PT% he had against Orlando he… Read more »