Recap: Philadelphia 141, Cleveland 94 (or, Bearing Witless)
2019-12-09I didn’t get a chance to watch this game last night till I was at a bar at around 9:00. With every TV but one showing the Buckeyes, and the other showing the Clemson game, I asked the manager to put on the Cavs. Then when I checked my phone, and saw they were down 45, I told him not to bother. I didn’t have time to take this one in till 24 hours later, and I forced myself to endure every painful minute. My wife asked me incredulously, “why are you watching this?” I channeled my inner Rust Cohle and told her I had to “bear witness.”
As painful as the absolute annihilation by the Sixers of this Cavs team, at least the first half progressed relatively quickly. The second half? It took longer than the Irishman. There were so many stoppages and no one cared, save for a comical flex after a dunk by Kevin Porter Jr., but hey, at least he was playing hard and having fun. Fun and effort is something this starting lineup lacks. I think they hate playing together.
The overwhelming impression from the 77-36 first half against a team missing two starters (Embiid and Josh Richarssin). There’s tanking, and then there’s playing Collin Sexton and Darius Garland together against NBA starting lineups. The pair of six-one guards make winning against a good team almost an impossibility, and the stench of their awfulness is rending this team asunder.
The secret to tanking is to lose, but at least keep your team engaged and develop players and good habits, and offer your fanbase some hope. Starting Garland and Sexton is like the Browns playing a pair of wide receivers on the offensive line. Dan Gilbert and Koby Altman are selling out their fanbase, their veterans, and damaging the growth of their young players by continuing this ridiculous experiment.
If you want to pick a guy to go to the bench, there’s arguments for either. I mean it’s completely obvious that Kevin Love loathes playing with Sexton, who cannot execute an entry pass and dribbles the ball forever. The amount of times that Kevin throws up his arms in disgust increases every game. He’s trying not to betray his frustration, but his body language gives it away.
When Sexton and Garland are in together, NO ONE moves. There’s never any secondary action. It’s a simple wing or high pick and roll, a high-low for TT and Kev, or a failed post-up. Kevin Love has given up. Half the time when he gets the ball at the elbow or wing he just throws it back to Sexton, with an “eff it” look in his eyes. Starting Sexton and Garland together is like rebooting White Men Can’t Jump with Danny DeVito and Kevin Hart.
And Sexton is a block machine… for opponents. Collin was blocked three times in the first quarter Saturday and now leads the NBA with a staggering 39 blocks against in 22 games. Sexton was abysmal in this one: a migraine inducing 3-13 from the field for 10 points and two assists. As we’ve noted, he’s so much better off the ball but never wants to pass and cut. It’s funny that one of his three buckets came when he did that and Cedi found Sexton running the baseline. Youngbullshit finished a reverse for an and-1 and comically pumped his fist as he cut the Sixers second quarter lead to (checks notes)… 32.
But as painful as Sexton is offensively, he at least has the ability to play positional defense. I mean paired with another competent guard, a decent coach could at least hide Sexton a bunch of the time. With Garland, there’s no such luck. The Sixers decided to run their half court offense around exploiting Darius Garland’s defensive cluelessness, lack of physicality, and his complete unwillingness to give a crap. And when I say “run their offense,” I mean executing the simplest of sets/motions or just letting Ben Simmons wear the Cavs like a cape.
Let’s be honest, Simmons had it going early because he got 6 points in transition early by turning the floor over when the Cavs missed long rebounds or gave it away, but after he was rolling, I saw Garland forget Simmons was left handed for about three straight minutes as he beat Darius like drum. Simmons used the Cavs 20 turnovers to finish with 34/3/7, mostly in transition or by getting to the line. In the half court, The Sixers just posted up whoever Garland was guarding, or put the kid in the pick/and roll. Remember how Kyrie stuck to screens like flypaper? I wish Darius stuck to screens. He gets hit by a repulser beam when he’s in pick and roll. Garland routinely ends up five feet behind the play guarding no one. I mean at 6-1 and given the fact that he’s completely overwhelmed physically and mentally by starting NBA size, it probably wouldn’t matter if he was guarding someone.
The most embarrassing play of the game came when the Cavs were getting blitzed in the second and Simmons was the last one down the court, bringing the ball up, and no one picked him up. Realizing, Ben rocketed to the rim, and drew a pair of free throws as a disgusted Tristan Thompson issued a shoulder check. Truth be told, that was Thompson’s D. He’d been checking Simmons most of the first half. It was a cringe-worthy moment for the whole team though.
When Sixers weren’t roasting Garland over an open fire, they were using simple ball swings to the open man or driving and hitting trailing cutters for the slam. The Cavs, were either out of position when covering for magnetic repulsion Garland, or just disinterested, and let the Sixers shoot 63% from the floor and 11-26 from three. One of those even came from Ben Simmons as Tristan Thompson halfheartedly closed out and Ben accepted the dare. The Cavs fired up a brain numbing 9-35 and Darius Garland went 3-9 from downtown.
At least he’s shooting that shot. Garland’s relative comfort in garbage time ultimately tells me that he’s the one that has to go to the bench until he can look like he knows wtf he’s doing for more than one play in a row. In the second half Garland dropped 10 of his 17, on 4-11 shooting, and was (only) -3. Comically the second second half featured five minutes for Kevin Love, and he posted one rebound and one assist with no shot attempts. As Cleveland.com’s Chris Fedor noted, Kev’s postgame comments were not encouraging when he tried to defend his poor body language.
I mean, I’m really trying to be engaged. I’m trying to be a good teammate. I don’t think any of these guys would say that I’m not a good teammate. It’s tough. I don’t know if I can answer that the right way. I don’t know. It’s like we talked about before the game. I just don’t know. It’s hard.
Kev started it out honestly when describing the Cavs’ play: “We sucked.” Kev’s just fading into Bolivia right now. As much as we love Kevin and respect his growth and his battle with mental illness, he’s still a guy that has suffered from depression, anxiety, and who forced his way out of a frankly better situation than he has now in Minnesota. The Cavs org has to change the starting lineup to cater to Love because they’re literally triggering their star with their incompetent or intentionally crap lineups. Starting Garland and Sexton is like a high school team playing two seventh graders. These two just aren’t big enough or strong enough to compete, especially when they’re sharing the floor together. And they should never ever share the floor against an NBA starting lineup.
I mean we could talk about Mike Scott’s 21 or Trey Burke’s 22, getting outrebounded 51-35, but this game was all about Cavs turnovers (20 that led to 29 points), horrible starting lineup chemistry, and complete demoralization that infected the rest of the team. I mean the Sixers are a good squad, but you can’t spot a guy who can’t shoot like Simmons a half dozen uncontested dunks and layups. Cleveland played all right in the endless second half, but the Sixers weren’t really trying. John Beilein’s postgame comments neared Ty Lue levels of denialism.
Oh I don’t know, we haven’t been at 100 percent several times. We haven’t been able to practice as people make adjustments. We’ve had just a couple days of practice. Our schedule has been relentless. Almost everybody we play is a playoff team. Teams are better than us. That’s it. They’re just better than us at this point in the season.
Coach, you don’t have to play the players you’re playing in the combinations you’re playing them… You have taller players who actually know how to play basketball! I don’t know. Maybe he does have to play them, maybe it’s Koby Gilbert’s call. Starting Sexton and Garland together is like rolling up on Kings Landing with a legion of Unsullied, a squad of Dulthraki death riders, and a pair of Tabby cats.
The Cavs’ organization is wasting all the goodwill of the championship years and the opening of a renovated arena by playing lineups that are so bad, they’re making a mockery of the NBA (and people wonder why ratings are down). If I’m the Cavs, I’m moving Kevin Porter Jr. into the starting lineup and moving Cedi to point guard (no, not Collin). It would give the Cavs more athleticism and size at the two and three, and relegate Garland to the bench where he can figure things out defensively. KPJ is also the best passer of the Cavs youngsters even if he is turnover prone (7/4/4 with five turnovers in 18 minutes). When Windler comes back he can pick up KPJ’s minutes off the bench. Cedi would at least get Love the damned Ball.
I guess they could start Clarkson over Garland, but the bench would be truly neutered. Still, I’d like to see Clarkson’s playing time go up. If the Cavs are going to move guys, they have to start featuring them. Show Darius or Sexton some tough love, send one to the bench, and get some more size in the starting lineup. Until they do, the Cavs are the worst team in the NBA by a wide margin.
Right now, the Garland pick is looking like a total whiff. I can’t see anything he does well. He’s a defensive disaster, he shoots too many floaters, doesn’t appear to have any athleticism, and he’s an average three point shooter which appears to be his only skill. Sexton has talent but needs to actually be coached and sent to the bench when charges “Leeroy Jenkins!” style into three defenders. Letting Sexland drive this team off a cliff isn’t doing them or anyone else any favors. Meanwhile Tyler Herro (27 points), Matisse Thybull (20), PJ Washington (20), Miles Bridges (20), and Shai (21) all had big nights. How in God’s name did Koby Altman get a contract extension? This Org. is completely witless.
Starting Garland and Sexton together is like getting a Nintendo for Christmas and only getting crappy games like Squareboy to play on it. We’ll see whether the Cavs keep banging their head into a wall Tuesday or if they finally change the starting lineup when they take on the Celtics Monday night. Until then, go Cavs.
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The only variable that changed between the close Orlando loss and this blowout was Love being inserted back into the lineup. It’s clear as the noon Sun the guys hate playing with him. And after Love’s pathetic performances for the past 3 weeks, it’s astounding Nate you spent so much ink whining about everyone else in this organization while excusing Love for stealing 30 million from this team while giving a half-assed effort. And it’s hilarious to think that starting Delly, Knight, or Clarkson is going to fundamentally change anything about the results this team’s having. Also it’s funny that… Read more »
Spirited disagreement! I love it. I will have responses.
Thanks for taking it in stride, just responding in kind!
I am completely in agreement with you that this team hates playing with Love right now and have said so on multiple occasions. I’m not excusing Love for “stealing $30 million” but the facts remain that A) the Cavs invested in him and are now centering their team around a backcourt that is the shortest, most ineffective in the league, and they don’t have to start these guys, especially since starting them is damaging their biggest investment. B) Kevin Love suffers from depression and anxiety. The Cavs knew this when they signed him and guess what? It looks like he’s… Read more »
‘I have to call the game as I see it, and Garland stunk on ice in this one. The Three minutes where he forgot Simmons was left handed were truly painful. As was his p/r D. Against Boston? Sexton was a disaster. I watched the games and gave my opinions. As for advanced stats on Garland/Sexton/KPJ, it’s becoming increasingly obvious that opposing teams are just exploiting Garland and Sexton’s height. I am throwing out most analytics because of skewed early season results when Sexland lineup wasn’t awful (and before teams started really exploiting them), and because mostly, they all stink.… Read more »
I don’t think there is any way to say Sexton and Garland have individually played well. Sexton has a BPM of -3.9. Garland has a BPM of -6.6, worst than Sexton’s nightmare last year. He has a TS of 47.5% which is horrific. Sexton has an inefficient TS of 51.5%. Basically the same as last year. And he wasn’t good last year even down the stretch. He might have been just below average. Clarkson has a BPM of -1.0. Love a TS of 61.1%, elite and a BPM of .6. That has dropped significantly since he his frustrations have peaked.… Read more »
Also that isn’t to excuse Love. He has checked out. But for good reason. Watching him get overlooked was like watching someone pound their head repeatedly into a brick wall. I feel like that is what keeping both smalls in the starters equates to.
There’s literally no good reason for a NBA professional being paid 30 million to check out… none. To say that there is a good reason, is quite literally excusing his behavior.
And yet it almost always happens in these types of situations. Davis refused to play. LBJ checked out for half a season after IT for Kyrie. Chemistry issues lead to star players checking out. Either by dogging it or just not playing.
Cool, then call a spade a spade, instead of trying to justify it.
I am not justifying the lack of effort. But I damn sure get his frustration. I’ve been frustrated at the same thing for the entire year. His frustration is completely justified. Not his lack of effort.
that’s not what you said earlier, you said there was a “good reason” for his “checking out”. the distinction you’ve just made I can agree with. But his frustration will never justify his lack of effort, that’s my point.
Yeah I suppose I wasn’t clear on what I meant. People bring up the money thing, but all these guys will check out on occasion or in bad situations. So I am not surprised, nor really upset about it. Because that is just what happens in the nba.
Basically, yeah none of these guys not giving any effort is justified, but that isn’t changing. It’s a players league. What can change is getting him back to trying by making tactical changes which were what should have happened to begin the season.
Which is reasonable, my point is that the only variable that changed between the last two games was Love, and they displayed toughness and togetherness without Love, and predictably crapped the bed with Love in… yet Nate’s recap wants to assign blame to everyone except Love… that’s my beef.
That’s fair. There’s a chemistry issue that isn’t going away without him being traded or a tactical change. Probably why he didn’t address it.
Good points. The main thing with DG is he’s not really ready for the NBA. Maybe if he had played a full college season he’d be more ready. He has to play (not necessarily start) a lot, because it’s the only way he can improve. I expected him to stink this year — anyone who expected much more than that wasn’t being realistic. If he still looks in March like the guy he is now, I’ll be a little more worried. This is not to say I would have drafted him after drafting a 6’1″ guard the previous year. Even… Read more »
I literally never said Garland and Sexton were playing well. I said that starting Delly, Knight, or Clarkson wouldn’t fundamentally change the team, and it would go against scientifically based evidence that correlates minutes to player development…. that’s all.
I agree that Garland’s turnovers are a problem, but it’s not because he refuses to pass and I never said he wasn’t raw. And all these facts still don’t refute my point, which is that the team wouldn’t be fundamentally better with Delly or Clarkson starting.
I think it would be better. The two of them are just too exploitable. One is not ready. The other might work, but probably shouldn’t handle the ball. Together they’re too small defensively. BPM backs that up. D rating is not lineup adjusted in conjunction with competition. DBPM is. They both are bad defensively, but don’t help enough offensively as far as having a positive impact. You have to break them up. Garland can get plenty of minutes off the bench. You don’t need to start to get minutes or PT especially the amount he should be playing. That is… Read more »
BPM says Garland = Delly… there’s nothing gained by starting Delly, whatever he does better is negated by his awful offense.
There’s an argument for starting Clarkson over Sexton, but that’s not what y’all have argued, and Beilein has had a reasonable explanation for not trying it, granted it can be criticized.
I didn’t say Delly. Nate said KPJ. And yeah Clarkson should probably start. I said that the other day it probably won’t happen. But it should.
and KPJ has an even worse BPM, def rtg.,off. rtg., and shooting as bad as Delly.
I didn’t say KPJ either. Nate did. But one of the smalls needs to come off the bench. I have thought that since before the season started. Neither are good. Both are too small together. They have to be split up until they are halfway decent at team ball, both offense and defense.
I know, I was just responding to Nate’s idea you’ve relayed.
You know it’s bad when…..”Still, I’d like to see Clarkson’s playing time go up.”
Respect for watching this travesty. I couldn’t bring myself. Can’t say I disagree with anything. Only way to likely reverse Love’s attitude is by making the change to Sexland. Even then it might be too late. Bit it’s worth a try. Sexton is the same guy he was last year except teams know not to give him the 10 feet of space and five seconds he needs to be the accurate shooter he was. Garland is just so so so raw. Big surprise. The athleticism thing is the thing that most concerns me. He has an ok herky jerk game,… Read more »
I think the Cavs need to really invest in a GM that can provide a positive blueprint for the future. Koby seems in over his head, and with Gilbert’s health issues, they need someone who can fill that role.
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Love probably doesn’t need to increase his value to get traded if he demands a trade. Sort of the trend of late.
BTW, here is a hint for the Cavs FO: Never take a guy based on a shooting drill.
Wins:
4 – NY
5 – GSW, Cavs
6 – ATL, NO, Memphis
7 – Wizards
8 – Bulls
9 – CHA, Port, SA, Det, Sac
10 – Minny
To add to our draft misery, Culver has been starting for the T-Pups.
If the guy is 7 ft tall and shoots like that sure. But yeah drafting a 6-1 guy based on one individual shooting workout is incompetence personified
Even if he’s 6’5″ I’d take him…but I still think Garland will shoot…it’s just not smart to have two 6’1″ guards taken high in back to back drafts…
You mean like the Twolves taking Flynn and Rubio back to back.
At least Rubio could play. He couldn’t shoot but he could play.
You know who else could play, taken two spots after Rubio? Curry. If you take two smallish pgs in two consecutive years you better be 100% certain one is a franchise player. Nothing about Sexton last year or Garland’s track record (mostly non-existent) indicated anything certain.
I want everyone out.
Sexton AND Garland benched. Beilein fired. Altman fired. Gilbert to sell the team.
Let’s go with:
Knight, Porter, Osman, Love, TT.
Delly, Clarkson, Windler, Nance, Henson.
I don’t know how much of this I put on Beilein. But I guess he is the head coach and he is the one picking lineups even if he’s getting the edict from on high. He has the option of protecting his professional reputation by refusing to play Sexton and Garland together anymore. What are they gonna do? Fire him?
Yeah. At this point he has nothing to lose and everything to gain. If it is his decision, then he probably isn’t the guy for the job.
Saw Fedor tweeted that the Cavs have had the 3rd toughest schedule in the League so far. So, there’s that… It isn’t much but just your spoon full of sugar for the day.
Their schedule early really is brutal. Even if you put Lebron on this team, they’d probably be somewhere around .500 so far…
I take my hat off to your commitment, Nate.
“I’d like to see Clarkson’s playing time go up” is probably the most fitting description of this team’s abject regression.
I still can’t help thinking “what if” had they got over the line 1 month ago against the Sixers. They’ve pretty much imploded since then.
The irony of that statement isn’t lost on me.