Preaseason Recap: New York 119, Cleveland 83 (or, The California Lasers)
2020-12-19Had to spend some time with the fam Friday, so I just started the live thread and am watching the replay Saturday morning. Running Diary format…
Tipoff: Rough start as the Cavs quickly fall to a 17-5 deficit. Highlights include a quick three by Cedi, while lowlights include an inability to stop R.J. Barrett from imposing his will on the Smurf backcourt, turnovers, and Mitchell Robinson outrebounding Javale McGee. Still, McGee is still long and athletic and counters with a sweet bounce bass to Garland cutting to the rack who follows that up by swishing an off-the dribble three from the top of the key. Unfortuantely, Barrett and Immanuel Quickley continue to stick the Cavs on screens and score in transition and by mid quarter, it’s now 24-8 while the Cavs rain bricks. That degenerated quickly.
5:15: I know I was high on Maker after the first game, but he looks hapless with Mitchell Robinson against him as he fumbles a layup up into Mitch’s mitts. Inconsistency, thy name is Thon.
4:15 Immanuel Quickley scores again to make it 29-10, after which AC notes, “Quickley’s going to make this team.” He was a first round pick three weeks ago, Austin. Odds are good.
Immanuel has abused the Cavs the last two games. Garland floats an answer and the Cavs counter by going zone to much better defensive results. You don’t want to over-rely on it, but I have a feeling we’re going to see a lot of it against poor shooting teams. Dotson actually helps the Cavs string together a 4-0 run with a slicing layup, trigging a Thibs TO.
2:45 Windler throws away a baseline drive. Leading to Mitch slopping in a bucket after a Maker block. Thon has a solid first jump, but his second is… lacking. Next time down Maker thumps Robinson on a foul. I like the intimidation.
1:30: Sexton finally shakes off the rust to rattle in a clunky floater, but front-rims an open three the next time down.
0:56 Jared Harper gets brushed by Dotson on a triple, and gets to the the line for a four point play. The Dude’s 5-11. You shouldn’t have to foul him.
0:40 Sweet give-and-go from Javale to Windler. John Michael mentions that Javale is in his 13th season. Good God, that makes me feel old.
0:16 Harper baits Sexton into a very dumb charge at the top of the key. Toppin closes the quarter with a nifty bounce pass to give (blurry Knick) a layup. 41-18 Knicks at the end of the first. That 12 minutes was… not pretty.
2nd Quarter
The Cavs bring back their starters. Garland clangs a step-back trey, but gets to the line next time down going one-on-four against a Knicks Zone. This game has all the pace of a post-season baseball game.
11:00 AC offers this gem, “The Cavs want to get the lead down to around double figures before going into the locker room.” Yes, AC, that would be nice.
10:45 ICE! Goes coast to coast to lay one in, gets hammered, no call, gets back up and sprints down the court before the ball’s even inbounded. Got-damn. I like this kid. Crap. He’s holding his hip, but does cut the diff to 20.
10:30 Toppin beats Javale like a drum with an easy baseline drive. Two 13 year vets going at it.
10:00 Collin misses a layup. Cleveland is doing a terrible job of getting into transition and Sexton is suffering. As I type, Javale throws away an outlet. The Cavs’ bigs hate giving the ball to a guard. Javale follows it up by getting a vet call for two freebies.
9:00 Damn. Obi Toppin tightropes the baseline on a closeout and throws a no-look laser to the right corner. Knox drains a triple. That was pretty, Obi. Kevin Knox has been killing the Cavs from deep these two games too. Looks like he found a role: shooter.
8:40 Garland chucks a 28-foot lead balloon. I haven’t seen anything this preseason to make me think he’s close to even being a below average player. He gnashes into a floater that thuds a minute later and Knox drains a triple from the left corner. Knicks by 24.
7:15 Carr opines saliently that the Cavs are gambling for a lot of steals and losing, leading to open buckets for the Knicks. Stay home… Toppin gets to the line with Eurostep in transition while Okoro commits his fourth foul. So remember when I said Obi didn’t look that skilled last game? I was, uh, wrong.
6:45 Knox again from the corner. New York up 29 before Osman answers from deep then goes coast-to-coast for two more. It’s amazing what happens when someone other than Garton touches the ball (I refuse to use the term “Sexland” until they look sexy, or at least remotely appealing).
5:45 Collin throws it away then clanks a pull-up. Cavs missing a big that can dissect this zone. That’s decidedly not Marques Bolden. He does get a block next time down and Windler dives on the floor to grab it. We all hold our breath. He’s fine.
4:15 Cedi strings a left wing trey for 13 in the first 16 minutes. He’s far and away the best Cav this ragged half.
3:30 Bolden misses a hook around the basket against Mitchell Robinson. OK, it’s getting to the point where maybe you shouldn’t try to challenge Mitch. Either pump fake and get him in the air, or kick it out.
3:10 R.J. Barrett puts Dean Wade in the “take you to the right, spin back left” tornado and finishes a sick lefty scoop. That was filthy. A.C. Says that’s his go-to. Cavs down 27.
2:50 Javale slips and turns it over. That’s the second or third time they’ve slipped on that end of the floor. Even water is against the Cavs tonight.
2:18 McGee swatted by Mitchell. The definition of insanity is…
2:15 Quickley at the line makes it an even 30, Garland ball hogs a possession and clanks a floater. Knox makes it 33 from the left wing. Wade thudder. Randle gets to the line to make it 35 (he was still playing?!)
1:00 Dotson throws away a transition pass, McGee gets blocked by Robinson again. The Cavs have no plan against this zone. Everyone just going one-on-five.
0:10 Randle gets two more on the right block. Garland throws away the last possession. 70-35 Knicks to end the first half. J.B. takes Okoro’s and Garland’s fake ID’s away in the locker room. Leading the Knicks, 25th pick, Emmanuel Quickley with 15 and 4 dimes, Knox with at least two dozen threes, and Robinson with infinity blocks
3rd Quarter
No more Garland to start the quarter. Sexler, Okoro, Cedi, Bolden… Sexton blocked by Robinson.
11:00 Cedi! catch-and-shoot left wing Zone-buster.
10:30 Cedi again! He’s 5-6 from deep and 7-8 from the floor. GET HIM THE BALL. Rage timeout Thibs! Cavs ran some nice double screen sets to get him open on the wing. It didn’t work, but the scrambled Knicks D got Cedi a mismatch.
10:00 Quickley scorches the Cavs zone from the top of the key. I’m calling it. He’ll have a better career than Garland. Like his game. On the other end Bolden finally uses a pump fake to get Mitch in the air and drop steps into a reverse dunk.
9:00 Barrett scores his 13th point on the block. You get the feeling he could have 25 if he’d wanted this game. Not forcing anything. Looks much more comfortable than he did last year.
8:15 Sexton uses the p/r to get to an 18 foot pull-up with plenty of time on the shot clock. You can get a better shot than that, Youngbull.
7:45 Barrett drives baseline and shovels to Robinson who barely jumps and throws Bolden and the rock into the basket. He barely has to do anything to dunk. He’s been a monster this game, but the reason Mitchell Robinson doesn’t start over Noel: Robinson can’t stay out of foul trouble against real NBA players. Hard to build a rotation around him when you don’t know how many minutes you’re going to get from him before you have to bench him. If he keeps playing the Cavs, though…
7:07 Cedi doesn’t force it from the top of the key, but uses Okoro coming off a curl to get Windler a look in the right corner, which Dylan rims out. If Osman doesn’t get a starting spot over the Cavs last three first round picks, meritocracy is dead. I expect a fully blown mutiny. Next time down, Isaac drives and dishes for a Bolden dunk. Nice play, rook.
6:20 Bullock from the right corner makes it a *does some math*, 39 point Knicks lead. If we were at the Q, the Diff would be broken. Bullock does it from literally the exact same spot 20 seconds later to make it 42. J.B. timeout. I know I’m watching this on replay, but I’m just guessing the Cavs don’t come back.
5:15 Okoro thuds another triple. I told you the sample size was too small to get too excited about the shooting.
4:40 LOL. Dotson from 28 feet threatens low flying planes in the NY area with a a heave that hits nothing. Mooney airballs the next time down, and Maker watches Barret make a layup over him. I can see why people dislike Maker. His motor seems to work about once every four games. To call this game a boat race is to disrespect regattas. 44 point Knick lead.
3:05 Cavs just running their G-League Lineup, but Wade finds Dotson who dishes back to Wade for a hammer. Thibs doesn’t like it. Calls timeout. Cripes. That coach suffers no failure.
2:45 Knox again from the corner. I know what he was doing during the pandemic. John Michael mentions he’s 8-9 since the fourth quarter on Wednesday.
2:00 Levi Randolph cuts the lead to 44 with a three. If there’s a guy that deserves the other two-way, it’s Randolph (it aint Mooney who gets an offensive foul for being slow and bespoke)… Knox from the right corner. The NY media is going to be insufferable.
0:50 Thon tries to take Obi off the dribble, and… doesn’t. Theo Pinson steals, Maker fouls him.
0:30 Charles Matthews hits his first bucket for the Cavs, a left wing pindown he swishes from deep. He couldn’t be worse than anyone on the floor. Let’s see if he can have a 50 point fourth. Cavs down 103-57.
Fourth Quarter
Why am I still here? Cause I’m a masochist.
11:15 Dean Wade isos Obi off the dribble and nails a little J from the elbow, which is why I didn’t want to draft Obi.
11:00 Randolph gets to the line for two. He’s the keeper so far of all these guys are playing for two-way contracts… Obi slams an oop with a one hand finish. We’re through the looking glass here, people. I don’t know why I say that. Seems like people always say it in movies.
10:00 Matthews with some solid hustle to grab an o-board and get to the line.
9:09 Dean Wade from deep. Cavs cut it to 42… Why am I still watching this?
8:09 Dotson cuts the Knicks lead to 39 with a trey. Panick timeout by Thibs.
7:45 After a C-Cut, Kevin Knox slams it home over two Generals. When I lived in Alaska, and the Globetrotters came up, they didn’t even bring the Washington Generals. They fielded a team of local guys and called them “The California Lasers.” They even included a local news sportscaster celebrity name John “Carp” Carpenter. I’m pretty sure Curley Neal threw a bucket of confetti into his face and they all partied that night at some random downtown bar that night. I don’t think Toppin and Co. are going out with the Charge tonight… Knicks by 39.
6:40 Jared Harper scores over Matthews with about a two inch vertical for an and-1. We’re playing out the string here, folks.
5:50 Levin Randolph: nifty bounce pass to Mooney in transition. Mooney looks like me at the Y and hits the bottom of the rim on the layup attempt. (Fair point, I wish I’d been to the Y in the last 15 months)
5:12 Mooney steal. He’s terrified as he runs down the court… Pinson blocks him from behind. Don’t look back in anger, Matt.
4:55 Matt Mooney gets to the line. Love a kid with a pair of wristbands. Kickin it Jackie Moon style.
3:40 Nifty spinning lefty finish in transition by Wade. Mooney cans a three and thinks about what kind of craft beer he’ll be enjoying later. I feel like he should have a hipster stache and run a craft cocktail bar with Luke Harangody called “Moon and Gody.”
2:14 Lamar Stevens thumps one in transition against pillowy soft D. Even a Thibodeau team reaches their limit of crap-giving. This is the longest preseason game I’ve ever watched. I do like Stevens’ athleticism.
1:40 It’s personal now. I must complete this game… “Rule of verticality” in effect for Stevens as he gets a stop. Hard to tell much, but I’d consider him for a two-way just based on athleticism. Levi Randolph is an end-of-the-bench player at best, and Matt Mooney will be running rings around Beijing highschoolers next year.
0:33 Knicks break up a transition attempt. Even in garbage time, Thibs is a stern taskmaster.
119-83 Knicks as the Cavs make it look better than it was. Goodnight, Manhattan. Not much to take away here other than that Cedi should start, Thon probably loafed his way out of a roster spot as McGee looks fine, and Garton was gassed and needs to learn how to execute against a zone. I’m also am very tired of preseason basketball, and, unfortunately, Darius Garland.
And this just in…
#Cavs also announce they have waived Matt Mooney, Levi Randolph and Charles Matthews.
They also signed forward Norvel Pelle, who played in 24 games for the 76ers last season.
— Kelsey Russo (@kelseyyrusso) December 19, 2020
#Cavs are converting Marques Bolden to a two-way contract, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA.
— Kelsey Russo (@kelseyyrusso) December 19, 2020
There was talk the other day of doing a fantasy league. Got a few takers on the staff end. Can I get a head count here?
In.
Cavs should trade for Harden, the fact that it’s not being even entertained means we should fire Koby now.
Bah. No way.
We’re an instant contender with him, Love, and Drummond.
Hardly. First off, Drummond is gone in that scenario. Second, Harden is a total diva choke artist.
Well we’d be in the playoffs as a 6th to 8th seed. But the fact it would require a first rounder or two, yeah I’ll pass.
If it was only 1 or 2 first rounders, then that deal should’ve been done yesterday.
I’m over Harden. He just can’t get thing done in the playoffs.
i’d just rather cater to him than Sexland… but all for naught anyway since they’re are seemingly pulling Simmons plus picks so…
Drummond leaving is a good thing IMO lol, especially if he’s going to want Gobert money.
agree to disagree on Harden.
Dude has maybe two years of relevance left. Giving up a pick in the best draft since 03 would be folly.
I disagree, especially if it only took one pick.
Harden is a diva who parties too much. Now, some legendary partiers did age pretty well (MJ, ‘Nique, Wilt), but MJ took 2 years off and the other 2 suffered major injuries. Mostly, those types fall off a cliff late on.
He is like Russ and Carmelo. You cannot win a title with him as your best player/closer. But he won’t accept any other role. (The year the Rockets had GSW on the ropes, CP3 was the closer).
Comparing Russ and Melo to Harden is silly IMO, Russ and Melo have nowhere near the same impact on winning that Harden has.
You’re a better man than me. I checked out mid 2nd quarter in this one, and I deserved a medal for lasting that long. DG and Sexton stink on the court together right now, and they may always stink on the court together. If Altman really thinks he has a budding Dame/ CJ combo, he’s out of his mind.
Best temporary fix is to limit their on court minutes together. Play Cedi at 2, hell, play Okoro at 2 (I don’t recommend this). Or let Exum play point while Sexton is on the floor.
Agree start cedi or Ice @ the 2 —- break up “ SEXLAND “ —- it isn’t working
So, at the moment, our 15 is:
Starters: Sexland, Cedi, Love, Dre
2nd unit: Exum, Okoro, Windler, LNJ, McGee
3rd: Delly, Dotson, KPJ, Wade, Maker
2 way: Stevens, Bolden
I understand worrying about the legal issues thing, bit I can’t see keeping KPJ out of the second unit. I really like Windler, but I can’t see him earning KPJ”s spot right now.
Honestly, I’d put KPJ before Exum too. Exum had a good camp, but he doesn’t show nearly the upside of KPJ.
Again though, all this is exacerbated by the logjam at the starting guards position by starting Sexland.
If the domestic abuse thing is real, that will be a real problem. Likely suspension if it proves true.
Domestic abuse charge? What? I’ll admit I’m not in the loop as I used to be…but the only thing I heard was that he was driving tired (and deemer not impaired by the arresting officer) and crashed his car on the side of the road in a single car accident. They found a small amount of what they thought was marijuana in the car, but that charge was dropped. They also found a gun in the glove box, but his mother had a concealed carry permit and it was her gun (that she testified that she had left in the… Read more »
Oh.
I just found the article about it.
Weird that I missed it.
Now I’m curious.
Either way, my mistake. It wasn’t domestic abuse, and no charges were filed, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t worth looking into.
I was talking right now. Right now, it is what it is.
yeah, agree with you, not sure why anyone would think KPJ is even close to playing time right now, let alone gifted a 2nd unit spot.
Obviously this game was an embarrassment. Still, I think it reinforces what Nate and I have been harping on for more than a year: Play Cedi as a damn 2 already! Split up the Sexton/Garland backcourt. Playing them together hurts both the team and their individual development. The Cavs finally have depth at the 3 and they need to take advantage of it. With wings that can playmake they really shouldn’t be running two small guards in the starting lineup. We will soon see if the Cavs want to actually win games this year, or throw away another season to… Read more »
it’s definitely concerning that the Cavs’ FO/coaching brass has tried to shoehorn Cedi into a frontcourt player for 3 years now.
I completely agree. He CAN play the 3, but he is a 2.
Treating him like a 3 that CAN play the 4 is just poor management.
this is a good video on DG and the stats bear this out from his first 3 games.
DG and Okoro’s net ratings for the first 3 games were -1 or -2… which is really good for their age.
Supposedly there’s predictive power in preseason stats, so if he were to do that over the course of the year, that would be an astronomical improvement over his rookie year, and a greater leap in development than Sexton took in year 2.
https://twitter.com/Spinella14/status/1339605359279878149?s=20
yeah, i agree charlie and it goes back to what i said before the draft, which was our perimeter offensive creators (Sexland) are awful… and that’s all that really matters in today’s NBA. It’s clear to me that Exum and Delly were the superior players this preseason, which is sad to say no disrespect to our beloved Aussies. I’m still glad we got Okoro, but we have the same problem as when we started. I saw the idea of trades being brought up, and to me, besides the obvious one of Love/Drummond, I think there should’ve been an attempt to… Read more »
I mean Sexton played one game. Delly played 9 minutes. Too small of a sample size to say much of anything about anyone. Even Okoro’s sample size was too small to say much especially since we played two bad teams.
Let’s see how everyone is with 10-15 games under their belts. I do not think playing delly 25 minutes a game is conducive to winning bball either.
Things are not looking good. Ike Okoro is the one bright spot, but it looks like the Cavs have not hit on their picks for the last couple of years, and we’ll be looking at a new GM before too long and a season with little to cheer for. If you want to get really depressed, check on the 538 player projections page and start picking Cavs players.
Sexton can be a semi-volume scorer at an average efficiency. Question will be whether he can improve his playmaking, can ever run an offense, and can improve defensively enough to become a net neutral or positive player. I think he can minimally be an excellent bench scorer or second or third option on offense on a good team if he improves his d..
Garland has a long ways to go and that’s pretty much all there is to say on him.
The big problem is that two years in a row they drafted small point guards that aren’t good at passing. (Sexton and Garland). I mean, it’s hard not to like Sexton as a hard working guy, but at this point, he should be starting to be someone who can run things when he’s out there.
This year they really need to land a good pick in the draft and not blow it.
Yes the draft strategy of drafting for talent without concerns for fit was a poor one. Frankly I think unless a prospect is a sure thing (which Garland was never considered) fit must always play a role, even in the early stages of a rebuild. But I think it is too soon to count Sexton as a miss. Garland could be even just by not being better than Sexton and playing the same position. We’ll see how Sexton either improves or stagnates this year. Remember he did improve on a fair amount of things last year. Basic things involving the… Read more »
Thanks Nate — wow there wasn’t enough beer 🍺 to watch the entire game —- Quickly “ quickly “ schooled Garland #5 pick getting it handed to him by what the #22 pick ——am off my Thon bandwagon —— he is tall / lengthy / with some athleticism— about all he brings to the table / Bolden or “ Love lite “ will help more —— mentioned earlier Sexton / Garland need limited minutes together——-hope Sexton can “ knock “ some of the rust off—- really disappointed in Garland primarily due to everything written/ said how improved he was
“Mooney looks like me at the Y and hits the bottom of the rim on the layup attempt.”
Lol. Your notes are pretty funny.
What exactly kind of contract was Bolden on before? A camp contract?
Yes.
Or a prop ten