Live Thread: Cavs @ Clippers
2021-02-14After a moribund showing against the Blazers, Friday, the Cavs have given Andre Drummond the night off in Los Angeles. We shall see if the starting center spot can do better than the eight points and five rebounds Drummond posted Friday. Personally, the Drummond situation weighs on me. He seems like a conscientious and personable guy in every interview, and there are numerous stories of him going out of his way to help people. I genuinely like Andre Drummond the person, and am beyond frustrated with Andre Drummond the basketball player.
I’m also frustrated with the Cavs’ front office leadership who have ticked off a long string of players and coaches: Ty Lue, Larry Drew, Kevin Love, JR Smith, Tristan Thompson, Kevin Porter Junior, and now Drummond have all struggled relating to the Cavs organization that simultaneously claims they want to “build culture,” yet consistently suffers from communication issues with players and coaches and struggles with the human element of putting people in situations to succeed. It’s hard to watch the Cavaliers play and think that the players all know what their role is supposed to be and that the Cavs are building a meritocracy that rewards players and coaches for team play in the moment and as a whole. More than one story has come out about Cavaliers “playing for numbers,” and being more obsessed with their box scores than the scoreboard.
It’s hard to blame players for that when they are often treated by the front office like commodities. It’s hard to watch the Cavalier players not have confidence to fire away when they are open from three, or fail to communicate with their teammates defensively. Something is rotten in Denmark (or Independence). This NBA season is a meat grinder, and this road trip offers no ability to crawl out of a hole when the team is struggling with communication and cohesiveness. Some of this, however, is on the front office, who have failed to add another power forward another point guard, and who have fielded a roster that has led to far below optimum lineups.
All that being said, it’s just basketball, and maybe with Dre’ out tonight, the pressure will be off tonight, and the guys can just play. This Clips team waxed the Cavs a few weeks ago, but Paul George is listed as out tonight. The Cavs are still missing Delly, Kev, and Nance in addition to Drummond, but perhaps his exodus will stem the malaise that has infected the squad. Let’s hope they can play with some élan.
Since they’re sitting Drummond now, I imagine they have the framework of a deal with someone. I’m expecting one or two crap contracts, and maybe one player, or a couple of 2nd rounders. Will be worth it to play Allen more.
One would hope they have a framework because if they sit Dre they have no leverage. Teams would know they could offer the cavs fractions of pennies on the dollar since Dre provides no value to the cavs sitting.
PISTONS SITTING GRIFFIN ALSO UNTIL TRADED —–HEY MAYBE WE JUST SWAP PLAYERS WITH THE PISTONS
RUMORS HAVE THE RAPTORS INTERESTED ALONG WITH OTHER TEAMS —-HOPING THAT MAY ALLOW SOMEWHAT OF A ‘BIDDING ‘ WAR —-I WOULD TAKE THE PROPOSED RAPTORS TRADE —POWELL COULD BE A NICE ASSET
I WAS BEING ‘SARCASTIC ‘ WHEN I POSTED BEFORE LAST NIGHTS GAME –REASON CAVS ARE RESTING DRE IS TO PROTECT HIM SO THEY CAN TRADE HIM—GUESS I DIDN’;T REALIZE I HAD A “CHRYSTAL BALL ” —–CAVS FRONT OFFICE DOES NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF COMMUNICATING / HANDLING OF PLAYERS ——THIS DOES GET NOTICED BY OTHER PLAYERS WHO MAY HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT JOINING THE CAVS FROM OTHER TEAMS AND PLAYERS ON THE TEAM THINKING ABOUT REMAINING WITH THE TEAM WHEN THEIR CONTRACT EXPIRES
Apparently Cavs are going to sit Drummond out until they find a trade partner…. geesh this just doesn’t seem to have been handled well. I seriously doubt the Cavs get anything for him.
I think this team needs to play zone defense as they can’t handle specific defensive assignments, which may be more glaring than I’m caring to admit. But giving up nearly 130 points w/o opposing teams top two players is ridiculous. playing zone would allow constant and consistent coverage and every shot is contested…very difficult to mess up assignment. this probably shoudl have been another win considering, but it appears this team is lost and I dont think JB knows what to do and how to handle.
Another game tonight against Warriors….could be another blood bath.
agreed, our man to man is not good. Our perimeter guys are right up in the grill of the offensive player only to get blown by which leads to kick out 3s ad nauseum.
AGREE CLF —–ICE AS A ROOKIE HAS GAURDED THE TOP OPPOSING PLAYER 1-4 ALL SEASON // AM SURE THIS HAS AFFECTED HIS OFFENSE/// CONFIDENCE SOMEWHAT —LIKE WHAT I HAVE SEEN WITH DG// SEEMS LIKE HE REALLY DOES GIVE A SH-T // TRYING TO BE COMPLETE PT GD ——KLOVE // LNJ // DELLY RETURNING WILL HELP ALL PLAYERS —ESPECIALLY THE YOUNGER ONES OUT ALOT —-OF COURSE WE WILL SEE WITH LNJ // HOW BAD OUR RECORD IS // HOW HE RECUPERATES —THEY MAY BE ON THE CAUTIOUS SIDE AND JUST SIT HIM LONGER
Nance and Love returning will help. Obviously delly will if he returns.
But I am concerned our defense is sunk. We gave up 128 to them without PG or Kawhi. We’re basically now playing d like we did the last few years. If that doesn’t turn around, we’re basically the worst team in the league.
CLF–MVP / MVP / MVP ——-I WATCHED THE 1ST HALF —THEN THE BED AND THE MRS NOMAD— ( VALENTINES DAY YOU KNOW )– WERE CALLLNG ME —–DON’T THINK WE WOULD HAVE WON BUT MAN TOO MANY 2ND CHANCE PPTS–( THEY KILL YOU )—–STUPID TO’S —–AND MISSED SHOTS AT THE RIM —–THINK CEDI MAY HAVE REGAINED HIS STATING POSITION ——POSSIBLE CHANCE AT ‘W ” TONIGHT —-WILL TRY TO “BE THE FIGHT ‘ AND TUNE IN
agree on Cedi, I don’t think he and Prince are being treated fairly… could even go so far as to include Windler and Stevens too, Dotson perhaps as well.
They’re putting way too much pressure on Okoro right now, and DG probably as well… if Delly and Love come back and play at a similar level as last year, that’s going to be a huge boost.
DIGREGARD MY FIRST POST OF EPM DATA****
EPM data including tonight:
Allen +2.9, #33
LNJ +1.0, #107
Dre +0.7, #123
Sexton -0.7, #196
McGee -1.1, #225
Cedi -1.3, #232
Prince -1.4, #235
DG -2.0, #274 <<< big game, DG’s offense now outweighs Dotson’s defense.
Dotson -2.1, #286
Windler -2.8, #318
Stevens -3.0, #330 <<< defense is spectacular, (+1.4 def. EPM, 83rd percentile in NBA)
Wade -3.3, #339
Okoro -4.1, #375
EPM data including tonight:
Allen +3.0, #29
LNJ +1.0, #106
Dre +0.7, #122
Sexton -0.4, #191
McGee -0.7, #200
Prince -0.8, #209
Cedi -1.6, #255
Dotson -1.9, #268
DG -2.3, #292
Windler -2.8, #324
Stevens -3.3, #346
Wade -3.5, #358
Okoro -4.1, #375
first number is estimated plus/minus based on 100 possessions,
second number is ranking in the NBA among qualified players, the way I break it down:
rankings 1-150 – starter level; 151-300, second string; 301-450, 3rd string.
Top job again CLF. Will be drifting in and out for tomorrows game too, see ya then
LMFAOOOOO same time same bat channel!!!!! have a great evening!
Tuning into Nadal next from down under!
nice fadeaway Stevens…
DG, Allen, Cedi, Windler, Stevens good,
the rest can find a new hobby.
WADE HUSTLE!!! may as well give him more minutes, at least he can pretend to space the floor LMFAOOO
strong take Windler gotta finish tho, and terrible OOT play good god.
NICE FINISH OKORO!!!
strong take Stevens.
Just able to check in briefly. Looks. Like another rough one.
Sexton can kick rocks.
Okoro and Sexton just don’t have any instincts on defense…. they’re athletes who play basketball, not actual basketball players who understand the game.
DG just cooked by Sweet Lou, never had a chance.
DG WHAT A FINISH!!!!!!!
WHAT ARE YOU WATCHIN OKORO AND SEXTON?????????
Cedi and DG with great defense and they just stand there?????
DG nice take.
Sexton passes up an open 3, and it ruins the rhythm of the offense.
Been busy with work, so haven’t been able to watch. Looked at the box score, 32, 36, 38 points given up through three qtrs. Our defense is gonezo eh?
Okoro and Allen can’t rebound the miss…. awful.
Sexton and Prince both -27 plus/minus…. McGee -12, DG/Okoro -10
DG obviously more a victim of other guys not playing any defense.
great on ball defense Okoro!!!! Sexton passed up the open 3, but got the floater, rage TO Clips!
nice kiss Sexton, we need 3s though.
oh no Cedi!!!! bad foul
CEDI FOR THREE AGAIN!!!!!!! KARL CALLED IT!11
Sexton awful turnover, just plowed into Beverly.
DG missed two open guys on the roll, have to see those passes.
great defense Sexton and Allen… glad you tried that possession!
DG good idea, bad execution.
Windler was f***** pissed at that,,, nobody kicked out to all the open shooters for 3.
WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT???? ALL OF THEM ARE BALL HOGS.
awful on ball defense Sexton.
DG WHAT A PASS TO MCGEE!!!
CMON SEXTON WINDLER WIDE OPEN FOR THREE!!! PASS HIM THE BALL!!!
late help, Sexton no anticipation on the Zubac dump off.
CEDI DRAWS THE FOUL!!! WHAT A QUARTER FOR CEDI!!!!
that was bad offense, Dot, Cedi, or Windler need to take control there.
CEDI HUSTLE AND ASSIST!!! WINDLER FOR THREE!!!!!!
CEDI ON BALL DEFENSE!!!!
Nice ball movement from the 2nd unit at least
they played really well to finish the quarter!
I’m increasingly encouraged by Windler’s passing game.
just needs to find rhythm, and i think he becomes a rotation player no question.
CEDI IS SLICING AND DICING !!!!!
CEDI FOR THREE!!!!!!!!
McGee with the sky hook!
I like the shot by Windler, just couldn’t hit.
Teams always seem to be scorching the nets against our D. Not a coincidence
quite literally non-existent defense tonight!!! lMFAOOOO
nice finish DG, forced TO by Clips.
WHAT A STEAL DG!!! NICE FINISH CEDI!
what the heck guys, passing up open looks or could’ve drawn a foul.
Listening to Jim Chones on the radio instead of watching. Easier to work, also less painful when the Cavs are being hammered like this.
LMFAOOOO nice!!! you’ve got a Cavs addiction!!!!
I actually think this is one of DG’s better all around games in recent memory. Seems in control and confident.
I agree, GREAT DEFENSE DG RIGHT THERE!!!
At least DG looks like a pg, nice passing to Allen!
great pass DG, Allen gets free throws.
OSMAN THREE!!! maybe that’ll get him going.
nice pass DG, Allen can’t finish, Sexton sucks on transition defense.
DG nice finish!!!! Prince, awful defense.
pathetic defense SExton and Stevens in transition.
Sexton’s hair gets us a flagrant review. lol
Prince awful turnover, DG WHAT A STEAL!!!!!!! SESXTON WHAT A FINISH!!!!
Beverly just ‘Steph’d’ us. Hot damn.
yup, awful LMFAOOOO
Yet another blowout. Old money bags Dan not going to like getting blown out every game, teams are clowning us. Wonder if JB seat gettin a bit warm?
it should be if it isn’t, also take koby with him.
It’s one thing to be in development mode but…. this team not even competitive and not sure if we have even 1 foundational piece? Yeah hate being that guy but my god this is just painful
I think we have 2 foundational pieces right now, DG and Allen, we could add a few more to that list (Nance, Sexton? Dre? Okoro?), but that’s what I have right now.
LMFAOOO bench Sexton and Prince, put Windler and Cedi out there.
no pass Sexton possession… no pass DG possession, but at least his was an open 3.
Nice team defense…. nice pass Sexton, Allen just short armed it.
Okoro yanked
nice find Dan, and Stevens got caught sleeping LMFAOOO
no help from Sexton either.
nice hustle Allen, nice finish Sexton.