
Open Thread: NBA Playoffs 2021, Conference Semis (Bonus: Season Review, Point Guard edition)
2021-06-15Good evening CtB!!!
Tonight we have a pivotal game five in the Eastern Conference semifinals, with the Bucks taking on the Nets, who might possibly get Harden back, as well as may lose Kyrie Irving for the rest of the series. Chat below and enjoy the game, and as a bonus, some thoughts on the Cavs roster as we head into the lottery, draft, and free agency. We’ll start off with the point guards and work our way through.
Darius Garland
DG’s growth in year two was one of the most exciting things to happen this season for the Cavs. He showed a massive amount of growth in a variety of areas. DG played NBA quality defense, relatively speaking (-0.6 dEPM, 44th percentile in the NBA) while becoming a defensive playmaker (1.8% steal rate, 73rd percentile in the NBA). Offensively, DG was obviously the best playmaker the Cavs had this year, leading the starters in assist ratio (24.4) while being a high usage player (25% usage rate, 88th percentile in the NBA).
So what needs to improve for DG? It really comes down to his decision making (16% turnover percentage, 15th percentile in the NBA) and shot selection (54.7% TS). He needs to learn how to command the game on the offensive side of the ball, too many times there was poor decision making and shot selection that led to losing basketball. The team’s offense goes as DG goes, and he needs to learn how to making winning plays on a consistent basis.
Collin Sexton
Young Bull’s third NBA season can probably be summarized as a rollercoaster ride. It began with elite scoring and All-Star talk, then came the ball hogging and beefing with Andre Drummond and Jarrett Allen, and finally finished on a higher note with some better playmaking in the absence of DG. Now, one may question why he’s being lumped in with the point guard group, and the answer is simple: the Cavs’ offense was a two point guard offense, and Collin Sexton was used as such. Just check out the tracking stats on the year for YB:
Touches: Darius Garland 77.1, Collin Sexton 76.6
Time of possession: Darius Garland 6.2, Collin Sexton 5.9
Avg. seconds per touch: Darius Garland 4.82, Collin Sexton 4.59
Avg. dribbles per touch: Darius Garland 4.36, Collin Sexton 4.05
The difference between how Sexton was used is nearly indistinguishable from how Darius Garland was used. The end result, of course was quite different. YB was generally better at finding his spots and getting his shot off, while DG was obviously the more willing passer and superior playmaker.
So what has to improve for Young Bull going into a potential contract year in restricted free agency? It’s easy to say the defense, since YB puts zero effort on that end (-1.5 dEPM, 16th percentile in the NBA). But what’s really holding back YB is his tunnel vision (15.5 assist ratio, NBA average 18.0). He simply hasn’t figured out how to maximize his offensive impact by leveraging his ability to score into easy shots for his teammates. The good thing is Collin Sexton is only 22 years old and the Cavs don’t have to make a decision on his contract yet. But the clock is ticking to see if Sexton can take that next step as a playmaker, because he will always struggle on the defensive end with his lack of length and strength, not to mention lack of anticipation and effort.
Matthew Dellavedova
This year was most likely Delly’s swan song as a player for the Cavs. While his passing was elite, he simply couldn’t do anything else on the basketball court. But one might hope that they keep the NBA champion in the organization for his basketball IQ and leadership, perhaps in a coaching capacity.
Just posted a new open thread and roster review for the shooting guards, enjoy!!!
Insane quote from the Lowe Post podcast, Luka apparently yelled at Carlisle in the middle of a game, “who’s in charge you or Bob?!”
Luka is an incredible player, but it really appears he needs to grow the F up. Too much b******g to the refs, and too much general entitlement.
I think Luka’s on-court attitude ought to be the least of Mark Cuban’s concerns LMFAOOOOO
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1405618099840339968?s=20
Wow! He should go to Milwaukee. And now Jason Kidd has another potential franchise to destroy.
Although if he takes another job right now, it’ll likely be the Celtics…at least that seems logical…
the Milwaukee rumor looking more legit!!!
They should absolutely grab him. Whether they lose or win this series.
100%
OMFG, I just found out about this… I’m dumbfounded….. Cuban’s credibility <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< LMFAOOOOOOOOOO
Let the Zion sweepstakes begin!!!!!!!
https://twitter.com/joevardon/status/1405551846391955458?s=20
another ‘superstar’ or ‘star’ wanting to leave and not lead a team….lame
Sixers choked big time – probably thought they could waltz through this game. Hawks are like that fiesty mid-major in March Madness that won’t go away. Young is playing incredible this playoffs. Also Nate McMillan being reborn. Usually he was on wrong end of these collapses as Pacers coach. He will get a big day and really if you’re the Hawks you gotta stick with him. These are important times and team is playing fantastic. Be very interesting Game 6.
Impressive win by Clips. Be interested if they can do it again, ie can Mitchell be this bad again?
That was the real key. Mitchell was a nonfactor most of the game. Hard to see the Clips winning if Kawhi out and Mitchell has one of his 40+ games…these injuries really stink…
Mitchell’s ankle is toast I think. We’ll see if he can bounce back.
And a terrible pass from Jackson…no idea wtf he was thinking…
Sloppy pass from George leads to a Gobert jam and gets the crowd into it…
No idea on Mitchell’s health status, but he’s really invisible tonight. I know he’s played, but if someone told me he’s been sitting the entire game, I wouldn’t argue…
Jackson relishing the increased responsibility!!!
George bringing it, so far, anyway…
Been super-impressed with LAC D.
Honestly still stunned that Philly have choked their way into a situation where odds are beginning to favour the Hawks. Just incredible. Of all the teams left, they have the least excuse with regard to injury.
Simmons has been killing them, as usual. He’s great at a couple of things, but just flat incompetent at the most important things…I really don’t have the sense that he’s worked on his deficiencies, either…
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/1405363524902195203?s=20
I’ll never understand the ‘step over’ thing in the NBA. Who GAF?
Yes. Also “That’s surprising from such a savvy pro as Morris”???? Really??
Lol. Didn’t realize this one was the dumb one.
Morris is savvy like a door knob
This shooting is absurd…
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/1405359759012896768?s=20
Just red hot shooting in this game…both teams…
This feels like a game where a Morris brother just absolutely kills the Clippers…
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/1405353933665677319?s=20
Ugh as much as I hate Trae Young… credit to the Hawks team and Nate McMillan for fighting back the past 2 games. They have a lot of young players that all seemed to stand strong in crunch time (Young, Collins, Huerter)
Getting Lou Williams for the corpse of Rondo >>>>>>>>>>>>
And the boos rain…
How incredibly bummed Sixers fans must be…
they’re all done…. unanimous hawks in 6
HOLY CRAP WHAT A CHOKE JOB!!!!! EVEN BIGGER THAN LAST NIGHT!!!!!!
This is ridiculous – my timing is pathetic. Each time I step out the door, the comeback starts and I come home to NBA drama.
Have to smile a little at this one. I dislike this Philly team quite a lot.
LMFAOOOOOOOO man, it was unreal!!!!!!!!
yeah, I’ve been rooting for the Hawks and Trae Young and this one was glorious!
Embiid channeling Giannis at the line for the clutch FTs…
Wowwwwww Embiid missed both free throws. What a choke job
Well, the Sixers have a chance…who is going to take the shot though? Only one I’d want taking a 3 is Curry…
https://twitter.com/redford/status/1405350160809349123?s=20
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/1405347271311507459?s=20
I was thinking the same thing. Doc’s gonna Doc.
Lou Williams gonna play till he’s 50.
hell yeah Chris pump up that trade value for Koby!!! LMFAOOOOOO
https://twitter.com/ChrisFedor/status/1405334490952736773?s=20
When life gives you lemons….
https://twitter.com/TreyLAC_/status/1405233050141614081?s=20
When in reality….
https://twitter.com/NBAMemes/status/1405225150409101314?s=20
LMFAOOOOOO oh man… I do like them to cover teh points, I don’t think Conley’s coming back either!!!
MVP candidate Embiid has shown up so far…
got the pain/PED cocktail just right LMFAOOOOO
OK, how would we fit Luka under the cap? Assuming a max is in order?
Who’s have to go (that someone else wanted)?
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO great point, dont even know if the money could work!!!
Assume Gilbert is willing to go deep into the luxury tax, of course, but isn’t the max up to 35% of the cap? 35% of the projected 2022-23 cap is $40 MM.. ok, my head is hurting now. But Luka would work but we’d need to find taker for a few contracts (Love is $29 MM in 2022-23, first year of Luka’s extension, Prince $13MM, Cedi $8MM [sorry if I misread the columns] that’s $50MM already BUT what about J Allen and Hartenstein? I’d think Luka would demand Allen on the team. AND is Love unmovable at this point unless… Read more »
we would absolutely have to take on KP in a Luka trade LMFAOOO
they’d want Allen/Nance/Okoro/Garland and picks forever LMFAOOOOOOO
It’s hilarious to think about actually LMFAOOOOOOOOo
HOLY S*****
https://twitter.com/RubenTalksKicks/status/1405268215693910019?s=20
Ehhhhh… getting him a legit supporting cast is the much bigger deal. Winning cures all… unless you’re Kyrie.
Sorry, we’ve got a Luka to the Land agenda to push!!! LMFAOOOOO
lol. I can’t even joke about that. My Luka envy ruins all the fun. Really wanted him to wind up on the Cavs that draft, even though I knew there was no chance.
LMFAOOOO yeah, i feel ya there!!!
(but yeah, agreed bw)
Just join the up and coming young squad in Cleveland, Luka. You can grow with them.
Largest Slovenian population outside Slovenia!!!!
I think Cuban is overall a ‘good’ owner (i.e., he wants to win, and spends money), the never ending sharkshow around their organization has to at least in part be attributable to him.
Constant soap opera down there.
https://twitter.com/Impatientbull/status/1405264561507344387?s=20
LMFAOOOOOO IDK why but the vibe is spot on!!!!
were Mavs THAT bad to clean house? I know they don’t want Luka to leave but he’s still young and they could have developed properly….the WC is always a tough conference so its weird what direction they will go…also weird Carlisle is still around but they are moving all higher ups
No, I actually posed that question in my NBA chat while Mavs were being discussed. IMO, drama aside, it’s probably the right move…. someone had to be held accountable for the Seth Curry thing and KP.
I guess we’ll see if Carlisle wants to stay or go depending on what happens.
OMFG this Mavs thing is so damn wild!!!!!!
https://twitter.com/TheMulf/status/1405232917421432835?s=20
WOW, speculation that Nelson was the source of the Mavs/Cuban/FO story that just dropped:
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1405222947258785797?s=20
OMFG now apparently theres gossip about burner accounts on Mavs subreddit LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO
Let the Luka sweepstakes begin!!!!!!
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1405205626180059143?s=20
WOW, Kawhi with a possible ACL tear and is out, CP3 COVID protocols, Scotty Brooks and SVG gone…. insane day.
tears of anteto coming.. go kd.. superb job from a good dude all-galactic star..
looks like KD and PJ are making out in that photo haha
Coach Bud is having a rough one here…just a bad loss by Bucks – at same time I’m not sure they have the guys who can take it to next level….Giannis isnt quite there…Middleton thinks he’s a superstar…Holiday ditto….and thats about it..game 5’s are superstar games and KD proved again he’s a superstar….Nets will close it out in 6
Also, thanks for the PG analysis CLF. Cavs with their PG challenges would have rocks in their head to not get Delly on the coaching staff.
It would also mean the end of Delly Coffee.
:( @ the end of Delly coffee
And, for the love of god, stop taking 3s, Giannis.
It’s not all Bud’s fault, but I have no idea how you run virtually nothing in the 4th in a playoff game. 85% of their stuff in that quarter was just nothing, and ended up predictably. Durant going off was expected, but letting a relative scrub like Jeff Green go 7/8 from 3 is how you lose.
Was pretty infuriating to watch. You have to get better looks. It’s incomprehensible.
Bud slander has been tremendous lmfaooo
Last saw the score at the half. Can’t believe Nets brought it home.
great article on Monty Williams and the Sun half court offense sets:
https://halfcourthoops.substack.com/p/breaking-down-the-phoenix-suns-spain?r=1k4q9&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&utm_source=twitter
Giannis and Middleton ballhogging and Jrue not having the ball in his hands enough.
https://twitter.com/daniel_bratulic/status/1404030580677877767?s=20
Yes. Jrue is key to their success and has to be involved more.
100% agree, best playmaker on the team and getting 19% usage.
Giannis in the playoffs:
Isos: 0.78 PPP, Frequency 23%
PnR roll man: 1.0 PPP Frequency 8%
Post ups: 0.59 PPP, Frequency 14%
Cuts: 1.41 PPP, Frequency 12%
Some ugly stats. Also hot off the press, rumors that Carlisle wants to coach the Bucks????
For clarification, I believe Giannis was sitting around 1.3-1.4 PPP as a roll man prior to game 4, so SSS, but sure as hell better than his damn Isos and post ups.
Inside the nba ripping the Bucks a new one.
rightly so, Bud has to be gone after this one would think.
Damn KD played all 48 minutes…. historic night.
Great question CJ!!!
https://twitter.com/CJMcCollum/status/1404997333503201289?s=20
What a choke.
Middleton with a drop off dime and Giannis Ernest Byner’s it.
Jesus that durant shot.
Bucks could really use a guy that could gmlet giannis play 5 in stretches
Giannis doesn’t wanna play the 5, he’s been exposed in this series.
Don’t really agree. So much of this is horrible Bud coaching.
I think it’s both of them. Giannis is posting insanely efficient numbers as a roll man in the PnR, and they never run it…. Giannis rather be on ball and drive into a wall with no bag.
Long superstar who posts insanely efficient numbers as a roll man and doesn’t want to do it. Sounds familiar…..
LMFAOOOOOO He’s a 5 that doesn’t wanna admit it!!!
Lopez has been so bad this game.
awful foul, and shouldn’t have been on the court in all probability.
Who do they play though?
Portis has been good and is more switchable on defense, and I don’t know why Bud hasn’t played him at all.
Yeah.
Green finally misses!
This game is really good.
yup, KD with a signature performance
Nets gonna win this. Bucks play dumb too often. Can’t let then get away with smalls on Lopez. Yeesh.
Chuck was on the money…. one of the dumbest offensive teams in the NBA.
Uncle Jeff is unconscious from deep. 5/5. Maybe 6/6.
Nets clinbing back into it.
Jrue letting the Nets back into this. Harden is out there but not close to himself.
Still, it eas ueaded towards 20 and now it is closing in on 10.
Giannis the best player on the court I think… bodes well for MIL
Not able to watch, but I advise Nets to Hack-An-Anteto.
LMFAOOOOOO true!!!