Draft Profile: Scottie Barnes (or, Okoro v2.0?)
2021-06-29 Off By Chris FrancisHello CtB!!!
It’s that time of year, so with only 30 days until the draft let’s dive right into the prospects the Cavs will be looking at, starting with the intriguing point forward from Florida State, Scottie Barnes.
The Pros for Scottie Barnes
The first thing that stands out about Barnes without question is his length and size (6′ 7″ without shoes, 7′ 3″ wingspan, 225 pounds). If you could design the ideal modern NBA player, they would look like Barnes. With that kind of length, strength, and athleticism, Barnes has the ultimate defensive versatility, locking down the perimeter and the paint. At FSU, Barnes showed potentially elite defensive playmaking abilities, especially on the perimeter (3.4% steal percentage, 2.1% block percentage). The defensive playmaking traits Barnes has leads me to my next point, which is Barnes’ innate feel for the game.
The reason why NBA experts are so high on Barnes is because of his mind for the game. The defensive playmaking and assist percentage (31.6%, ranked second in the ACC among qualified players according to Basketball Reference) suggests a player in Barnes that has elite anticipation, which is a skill that all the NBA superstars have. Barnes reads the game of basketball as a coach would, which is why he was tasked with the role of point guard at FSU in spite of a frame that would’ve led many coaches to pigeonhole Barnes into an exclusively front court, off ball role (see: Jalen Johnson of Duke). Having an NBA body and coach’s mind, it’s hard to see Barnes not sticking in the NBA for at least a decade.
The Questions for Scottie Barnes
There are two obvious questions in Barnes’ game that prevent him from being a prohibitive top overall pick: shooting and scoring. With a 62.1% free throw percentage, it’s hard to say that Barnes has the type of shooting touch necessary to become a jump shooter that defenders will respect. Now one thing in Barnes’ favor in this regard is that his jumper isn’t aesthetically displeasing. In fact, I’d probably take Barnes’ form over Okoro’s for instance. But there are many a good shot forms out there and what counts are the results. While Barnes seems like the type of guy who will work to improve his shooting, I just can’t go out on a limb and say he’ll become a good shooter. But this is why they pay front office people and scouts the big bucks, is to figure out these types of things.
The second and perhaps more pressing question is Barnes’ ceiling as a scorer in the NBA. At FSU, Barnes didn’t really show a scoring game especially in the half court offense that would lead one to believe that there’s superstar scoring upside in waiting. As the lead scoring option at FSU, Barnes only averaged 10.3 points per game. In Barnes’ defense, being a lead scoring option at a major college program as a freshman is a significant burden to bear. But a look at Barnes’ film shows a guy with a limited scoring game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf5XTuP3op0&t=281s
As some of the film shows, Barnes’ offensive game really came alive in transition opportunities, but was limited when FSU was in the half court. Barnes also doesn’t really show the ability to finish with the left hand in the paint and around the basket. Barnes has decent handles with his left hand, but doesn’t show the type of ambidexterity that Isaac Okoro showed at Auburn for instance. Sporting a free throw rate of .342, there’s a question as to whether Barnes has a bag of off the dribble moves to create driving angles to the rim with the consistency of a legitimate NBA scorer. Fortunately for Barnes, has he has the opposite problem of what most players in the NBA have, which is the tendency to ball hog and take bad shots. Barnes is unselfish perhaps to a fault. He will have to get more greedy mentally and better skill-wise as a scorer to truly maximize his offensive playmaking. Should he do that, we could be looking at a superstar wing NBA teams crave.
Final thoughts
The fact that Barnes isn’t being talk about as a surefire top three or top five guy is less an indictment of his game and more of a statement about how ridiculously deep and tantalizing the 2021 NBA draft class is. Barnes comes to the NBA out of the box with the ideal NBA body along with elite defense and passing. What’s going to transform Barnes from a Larry Nance Jr. type of role player to a Kawhi Leonard or Giannis Antetokounmpo NBA superstar is the ability to take his scoring game to another level. Whether or not that happens, I can’t see Barnes as a guy who will wash out. I think he’s at a minimum a 10 year solid pro without improving a thing about his game. Will he become a number one scoring option in the NBA? I don’t know but time is on Barnes’ side, and he has the basketball IQ to make it happen.
Posting another draft profile, enjoy!!!
YEP STORY ON BAUER GOT MY ATTENTION ALSO ——WILL SEE HOW IT PLAYS OUT—–WOULD NOT BE SHOCKED IF HE IS GUILTY OF THE CHARGES
wow.. trevor bauer seems to be quite the gentleman.. the social pathology inherent in all pro sports probably cannot be underestimated.. but i am sure that if he goes out and throws a 1-hitter with 13k’s, everything will be forgiven.. of course, we need to hear both sides of the story, but for now, i would tend to believe the accuser..
true, but Bauer is an outlier for anything in any group. I was glad the Indians could trade him before something blew up. If this story has legs, it might be the end of Bauer in the bigs.
the story that was reported was disturbing as hell.
No to Barnes in the same way no to Kuminga.
Offensive bag has a limit.
I agree…. need buckets.
CP3 41/4/8 on 16/24 FGs and no TOs. 7/8 from deep.
Nasty.
helps having a coach on the floor playing in the game!!! LMFAOOOO
His best playoff performance ever? Amazing point god is still going. Last of that era with lbj.
Melo?
Ah yes. Good point. Not quite in the same role he was though. Think LBJ and Paul only ones that are still elite franchise players. Honestly cannot believe effect Paul had on suns record this year. .466 winning percentage last year to .708 with Paul.
Morris still chirping at CP3. Dumb as a box of hammers.
He comes from a dumb family, hard to blame him.
Kieff is better anyway
Honestly wondering how long Paul stays in
HAHA Pbev. BYE! Throw a tantrum.
Lol as Westbrook said…
Can dish it out but can’t take it.
PBev ejected. Good.
Ty Lue should pull the starters.
Damn. CP3 going nuts.
Waps that a PBev cheap shot, a flop, or both?
I’m sure CP3 is annoying af on the court, but still an incredibly boneheaded show by Bev.
shove*
PBev ejected surely
RIP bozo!!!!
4 pt daggerrrrrrrr
They put Paul back in up 7. Roughlt 5 min later, up 20.
That’s a wrap.
Sensational handles there by Paul.
God, it’s infuriating that a good player like Paul plays these chickens**t games. Embarrassing.
I will certainly be rooting for the Bucks/Hawks in the Finals.
Can we just keep the flopping out for 1 quarter?
10-0 Clips run. Suns TO. Gotta get Paul back in.
Payne’s reach just exceeded his grasp.
Quickly down to 10. LCP3 may need to return soon.
Suns up 17. Lot of time. I don’t know if the fat lady is signing but I think I can hear Don Meredith, “Turn out the lights, the party’s over…”
LETS GO SUNS!!!!
Only 4 TOs for each team.
Suns +1 as I post that.
Clippers need a spark
This is how I thought game 5 would look.
4 on Crowder. Gonna have to sit
Jae Crowder playing like JR Smith tonight
Clips go zone.
IDK if the Suns can shoot 55/58 in the second half.
None of our “core” guys, and I would put it at 5: Garland, Sexton, Okoro, Nance, & Allen, are near all-star level. None of them should preclude taking anyone at draft time. Nor should anyone be off- limits in a trade.
At the same time, I would not want to deal one or more, to reach for a non-star star (Simmons, Ingram). Or vastly overpay one of our guys.
I don’t want Simmons period. Not with that contract.
These long breaks to determine if some random foul meets the criteria for a flagrant one are incredible. Playoff games need loads more of this action if we want to attract more viewers.
At least they take forever to shoot the free throws after.
They should only fo that on a challenge ir if a review official buzzes them. A lot of them are not even remotely close.
Morris and Boogie have both git a number of big shots tonight. Saruc & Crowder uave hit some threes for the Suns. Lot of guys stepping up. Good game.
PG been quiet and the Clips still put up 57. He’s gonna have to come out aggressive for the Clippers to get back into this.
Who’s next season’s Cameron Payne? Thats the real question.
https://twitter.com/Eurohoopsnet/status/1410371134311342081?s=20
Big shot by Boogie
He’s in rare shooting form
Damn I hope you’re right Nate!!! I think the Clips take it but would LOVE to be wrong!!! LMFAOOO
I’m picking Phoenix btw.
Ditto
Though in that case, the irony of Chris Paul progressing to the Finals in this injury-dominated postseason is heavy.
Karmic justice?
I am as well, but rooting for this series to go 7. I actually find myself not minding the Clippers so much without Kawhi
I’m picking them tonight. This is likely Chris’ best shot at a ring. Don’t think he lets it get away.
Good news on Giannis. I imagine he’s out for the playoffs, but best news possible outside of that. I truly detest these kinds of freak injuries.
They are listing him as doubtful. Gonna be another MRI later in the week. If Trae remsins out & they sneak into the Finals, I think he MIGHT have a chance to play at some point.
Boy this whole playoffs is just attrition decided. LAL, Clippers (if the suns don’t crap the bed), Nets, Bucks (if Giannis doesn’t come back).
Murray in Denver, though the injury was earlier. As was Bron’s. Sixers lost Danny Green and Embiid was clearly not 100%.
I read some four letter so you guys didn’t have to:
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/31732517/nba-draft-2021-six-big-trades-want-see-including-bradley-beal-ben-simmons
Givony throws out Simmons for Love, Sexton, AND a 2022 first (top 10 protected).
Bontemps has us involved in a three-way with NO & Indy that sees us deal Sexton, Love and Nance to land Ingram & Bledsoe, so that Ingram can play PF for us.
i would rather watch motivated youngsters develop than watch a “loaded” koby-designed cavs try to get to .500 and get swept in the first round of the playoffs.. and that is the ceiling for anything the nba “gifts” to the boy jeenyus.. there is no way the cavs are going to be significantly better going the trade route.. now.. if you can dump love to get some cap space.. fine.. by kev.. it’s been nice.. thx for 2016.. good luck with the rest of your career..
My preference would be to hold onto everyone to see how/if things fit. Hopefully Love builds some value at the Olympics. Both he and Nance have durability issues and might benefit from 25 min a night.
I think Okoro & Cedi function better as big guards rather than SFs. And Sexton is a bench scorer for me. A short SG.
I cannot stand Sexland + Okoro starting. If you put Ice on a guard, where he is most effective defensively (too small for a lot of SFs), the one of Sexland is on a SF.
@ NOMAD
Just saw your previous comment about Jarrett Allen leaving in FA… I think there’s only small chance that happens. If that happens, it’ll be because he got a max offer somewhere and they draft Mobley… I don’t think any team will max Allen, but anything is possible.
Missed the game but heard the news, it’s setting up for a Clippers’ run.
Yeah. I will say that even I, a big skeptic about drawing a casusal link between the injuries and the short turnaround, am getting sick of all the injuries.
Clips and Hawks seem to be handling theirs (Kawhi, Ibaka, Zubac/Morris; Hunter, Trae + Bogy/Reddish) the best.
I like Barnes. Cannot count on the Kawhi jump. If we were picking 5th, then yes. No way at 3, however.
Yeah, I’d say he’s a top 10 guy this year. I probably take guys such as Moody, Wagner, and Jalen Johnson over him. I just like their scoring upside more.
Smh these Hawks players taunting at the end of a blowout and Hawks fans singing “nah nah nah nah goodbye” when they’re tying the series… They think they’ve already won the series just because Giannis is hurt
Nah, they think the Bucks are mentally weak, they just whooped them by 22 without Trae, Bogy got his shot back, and Reddish is back to guard Middleton.
Giannis was sucking while he was in there.
I have always thought singing “nah nah goodbye” was creepy, including at my home gym. I must confess to a shouting a few “Hey Coach, go warm up the bus”, etc., back in the day, but I am in favor of cheering the home team, and not being ugly to the visitors.
I’ll admit to thinking the Hawks weren’t real classy. Then again, neither were MJ, Kobe, Bird, or the Bad Boy Pistons.
But in terms of getting inside Bucks’ player’s heads, I loved it. As Hawks fan, if I can make Milwaukee as tight as possible for game 5, I have done all I can do.
Now, would I have done it? Probably not. Was it classy? No. Does it risk angering the basketball gods? Yes. Does it have a ring of truth about it if Giannis cannot play? Yes.
A lot of things one does have to do with age and experience. As you get older, the “no class” aspect of things becomes more apparent, or maybe you start to care about it.
I think there’s room for a crowd to have some fun, but sadly more often than not its pretty toxic. Fans lose all perspective that there are real people on the other end. Doesn’t matter what they’re paid, harassment isn’t part of the contract. Professional sports fandom in general is toxic as hell and has quite frankly diminished my enjoyment of it over the years.
On a related note, look at all the crap game officials and coaches get in youth sports from parents. That wasn’t there when I was a kid.
Really impressive win for the Hawks. Lou Williams doing a fine stand in for Trae with Huerter also playmaking some. Bogdanovic looking healthier and got his stroke back. Reddish coming back gives them another good wing defender with size.
Young, Bogdanovic, Hunter, Collins, Capela
Lou, Huerter, Reddish, Gallo, Okongwu.
Really nice depth, roster construction, and fit. Good vet/youth blend. Most of the subs are the same type of guy as the starter (save for Gallo & Collins). The coaching change with McMillan has turned it all around.
Consolation: this is a really good article, CLF.
Giannis hurt. This sucks.
They were already getting creamed.
But yes, it sucks
They were 10 points down.
Agreed. Down 10 is nothing when there is 17 minutes left in the game. Hawks can score without Trae. The Bucks defense is nothing with Giannis. And it more than sucks. You want to see the best players play in the playoffs.
Probably should just cancel the playoffs at this point…
https://twitter.com/JOYLESSDIVIS13/status/1410049928844517379?s=20
I’m no expert. but I feel Giannis should be doing more of that…
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/1410049884691087365?s=20
Really almost unbelievable how badly the Bucks can play in a random playoff game…
Is it? We’ve had 4 years of playoffs Bud with him in ATL and 3 years of playoffs Bud with him in Milwaukee.
I’m no fan of Bud, but Bud isn’t forcing them to shoot like Junior High kids…
Fair point. I can’t watch. Presumably the hawks are doubling or trapping in the paint every time?
They did a good job in the paint in the first half, basically, although the Bucks weren’t really taking it to them. But another game where Jrue and Middleton can’t hit a shot.
Bucks shot 29 treys last game. 29 before end of the third. Maybe try to force it inside. Couldn’t say if that would work because dunno what hawks doing defensively.
GREAT JOB CLF——AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAY AND ALSO MIKEO—–IF CAVS DIDN’T LAND IN THE TOP 3-4 SPOTS —PRETTY SURE BARNES WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE GUY AT 5 —–DON’T THINK IT IS A ‘CRAP ‘ SHOT IF HE WILL BE AN NBA PLAYER FOR LONG TIME –‘CRAP ‘ SHOT IS WILL HE BE A PERENNIAL ALL STAR // STUD —-SOME TEAM MIGHT BE VERY FORTUNATE 5 YEARS FROM NOW
Thank you NOMAD for checking it out!
Yup… 100% agree with what you’re saying.
Good profile. Whoever gets him will I think consider themselves fortunate. He also plays his tail off. If he really works on and improves his shot he’s going to be ridiculous. Defensively, he really reminds me of Kawhi, the way he just take the ball out of midair.
He’s a defensive playmaker for sure… it’s a great way to start playing immediately for a rookie.