Recap: Cleveland 99, Denver 87 (Tower City Fireworks, a Mile High)
2021-10-26Coming off of a surprising win over the Atlanta Hawks, the Cleveland Cavaliers weren’t expected to do much against the Nuggets. Vegas had the Nuggets favored to win by ten, and Cavs fans would have been fine with a close loss and some Evan Mobley highlights.
Instead, they got something they couldn’t have expected: a dominant defensive performance, alongside a competent, well-executed offensive performance anchored by some half court rejuvenation by Kevin Love and his team leading 22 points via 13 shots. The Cavs held a lead of three to eight points for most of this game – Denver took the lead once or twice, but Cleveland put their foot down late and ran away with it in the final quarter.
The Cavs played a strong first quarter, as they took advantage of the Nuggets’ sloppiness (Jokic in particular didn’t seem himself, and was easily frustrated) to force turnovers and get out on the break one of which led to this career highlight dunk.
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This year the Cavs are making use of not only transition but semi-transition, swinging passes as the possession starts to get a good shot before the defense has settled into position. Collin Sexton got cooked in various ways on defense – iso drives straight through his chest, off-ball screens – but it wasn’t enough to keep the Cavs from taking a lead into the second.
The first half of the second quarter got ugly as both teams turned the ball over and struggled to score, although Bones Hyland looked smooth hitting two threes. Facundo Campazzo kept the Nuggets alive with aggressive, hard-nosed play on both sides. The Cavs pushed the lead our to ten at the last minute, only to have things heated up in the last few minutes, only only to have a six-point Jokic flurry cut the lead to a 50-46 at halftime.
The third quarter presented the dilemma of evaluated this game: to what extent were the Cavaliers responsible for the Nuggets’ sloppy, turnover-happy play? It’s clear that the Nuggets weren’t used to playing this bizarre, huge team where there’s always two bigs on the floor, and sometimes three. The 3-2 zone genuinely unnerved them and bothered the perimeter shooters. That being said, the Nuggets also kept throwing the ball away (21 turnovers on the night), and that was largely the story of the third. Every time they would threaten to make a run, the Cavs would get a steal and hit a shot.
Markannen wasn’t very accurate from beyond the arc, but he was steady on both ends, including picking up four steals this game by just being in the right spot defensively. He has been a positive player for this team so far. With a few minutes left in the third, Rubio and Campazzo (literally) butted heads, two swarthy Euros voicing inconceivable epithets at each other, separated before fists could fly. It was thrilling, and sort of scary. Denver promptly lost their composure at the idiocy of it all. After a 70-all tie, Cleveland rocked a 16-3 run to end the third and kick off the first.
The fourth quarter started out with some fireworks from the young guys, with Mobley and Sexton having most of the fun. Garland – as in most of the game – lacked aggression on offense but still played his role as a cog and passed well, finishing with a 9/7/3 line. Interestingly, Bickerstaff pulled Sexton to close the game, going instead with Okoro for the last 6+ minutes. The Cavs utterly stifled the Nuggets offense; Okoro especially had one of the best defensive stretches of his young career, smothering Austin Rivers and swatting two shots in a row in the third quarter. He got so under the Nuggets’ skin, that Will Barton gave him a (ref ignored) cheap shot on a steal and dunk attempt that left Ice holding his hamstring as he watched garbage time from the bench. The Nuggets never came back into contact and the Cavs won this one 99-97.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BOQT04eSsA
Random Thoughts
- The good and bad of Isaac Okoro was on display. His defense earned him 28 minutes, and he rose up for a ferocious dunk on a nice baseline drive. He also scored four points on five shots. He didn’t take a single three-pointer.
- Mobley was very agile again on defense, and he got going offensively on the short roll later in the game. At times his offense reminds me of Anthony Davis’ offense – more floater and jumpers than seems ideal, but they go in at a decent rate and make him a unique threat. It will be fascinating to see him at center, where his quickness and offensive smarts will be even more unique.
- Jarrett Allen defended Jokic well, although Nikola missed a bunch of bunnies he usually makes easily, and sprinkled turnovers all over the court. That’s what it’s like to have a true superstar, of course: on a bad night, Joker drops 24/19/3 on 9-16 from the field. Allen’s 10-11 from the field and 21/16/2 line were a nice answer.
- Collin Sexton is a very frustrating player to watch; he made Austin Rivers look like Michael Jordan. Also, even when he’s scoring, he is so unlikely to pass that the defense can confidently collapse to the paint. He doesn’t confuse them, force them into churn. He gets to his shots, and he makes them at a decent clip. That’s about all there is to him as a useful NBA player.
- The Cavs looked great tonight, in no small part due to the Nuggets looking horrible. While I enjoy the success, I do worry at times that the team is a little too focused on winning at the expense of development. There is a gap between coaching and the front office in every team in the league (save the Spurs perhaps), but it feels especially relevant in Cleveland.
- Okoro needs to be shooting threes. And while the Rubio-Markannen-Love game can produce some pretty sequences, it feels oddly irrelevant to the Cavs future. Which leads me to…
- GIVE EVAN MOBLEY THE BALL. He’s great on the short roll, he’s great from the elbow. Evan can pass, shoot and drive. He should be soaking up reps and occasionally running the offense for a few minutes at a time. He was a team high +16. He caused a rage timeout in the fourth when he Denver trapped the p/r and Mobley’s short roll reads led to baskets almost every time. Evan’s instincts do not lean towards ball dominance, but eventually he will have to be a medium to high-usage player to reach his MVP ceiling. I see no reason to delay these reps when the team is still years away from serious contention.
I attended this game in person. Recap is pretty spot on. A few more comments- Rubio/Love connection looked like their old T-Wolves days. I’ve never seen Rubio that agitated when he went toe-to-toe with Camprazzo. That was fun. Agree with the comment about Garland not being aggressive offensively. They were giving him a ton of space up top; he should be launching those. I would love to see Mobley operate more at the elbow, but I understand they may not want to run too much through the rook. He has a fantastic feel for the game; that psuedo-screen and quick… Read more »
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wow, that sucks
https://twitter.com/ChrisFedor/status/1453528693842710531?s=20
Freaking lovely…
I still root for Coach Lue. Not tonight, obviously, but in general. Him crying on the bench after 2016 Game 7 always sticks with me. Wonder how we’d be right now had we stuck with Lue never went with old, dumb Michigan dude. I think JB is doing a good job though. Just still always appreciate Lue helping lead us to Championship.
He’s proven himself as a good NBA coach. I do think he was a terrible coach for that first post Lebron team, though. He wanted to play the guys he knew, like JR etc, and that’s not exactly what that Cavs team needed.
Tough to say, I think he definitely improved in LA… way more sympathetic for him in retrospect because of how much I hate tanking, definitely good stuff tho boogie
Franz Wagner looking pretty damn good!!!
WOW, Cavs gonna smash the over!!!???
https://twitter.com/CountingBaskets/status/1453125236115787777?s=20
We’ll have a better idea of the state of the Cavs after the next two games. A split would be nice. I have to work at 0530AM tomorrow, so not gonna see much of the Clippers game. These west coast trips are brutal to try to watch for people who need to be up early. (I don’t have any way of recording games, oh well)
oh man that sucks Mike, agree a split would be fantastic!!!
If we come out of LA with a win or two, or back from the West Coast swing with a few, we will be resetting our expectations
You may be right… looking at the road trip, they only had a real chance in one game (Charlotte). If they can win one more, that would definitely better than expected.
According to statmuse, Cavs #1 in the NBA in assists per 100 possessions (28.28 assists per)
Excellent cap on the outstanding play of the cavs. Could Rubio start alongside Okoro? Or could Lauri start at the 2 and Kevin love play at the 3? Is that a weird lineup idea or what?
I have also thought of these and similar lineups.
Currently pro sports teams tend to always be chasing the hot idea of the moment, making it a good time for out of the box ideas.
Rubio could start alongside Okoro.
Love cannot play the 3, but could possibly work with Mobley and Allen with Mobley playing the 3 and Allen being switchable.
One trend emerging for Lauri is pairs well with Garland and Sexton, Okoro not so much.
Also, Lauri pairs better with Allen than Mobley or Love.
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you would think making a QO would have been a good idea. maybe the “too many bigs” issue was part of it.
I 100% think it was a favor to Hard Rock and his agent…
he’s getting consistent backup minutes in LA, and frankly I like him better than Zubac because of his passing.
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Had no doubt he’d be a good pickup for the Clips. He’s a solid player.
Right. Wish we could have him next year.
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Saw in some of Fedor’s tweets that Mobley & Allen are #1 and #3 in the league in shots contested (total). Though everyone has not played 4 games, it is still pretty impressive. Also, Rubio is #4 in the league in assists. Having competent PG play for 48 minutes (from a PG or point forward or point Jokic or whomever) is such a boost to a team. If you shave 2 TOs, 2 bad possessions, 2 mismatches overlooked, and add just 2 great passes, per game, all of a sudden that is, what, 7-8 ppg right there, if not more.… Read more »
Thumbing thru the other ones: Cavs struggled hard in Cedi minutes, (Wade or Windler deserve a shot), Jarrett Allen’s been ridiculously good, best player on the team, Love is hanging in well, Lauri’s been a slightly negative but not too bad.
What’s Sexland versus Garland and Rubio? Or Sexland versus Garland and Okoro? Or Rubio and Okoro versus Sexland?
Garland and Rubio: +21.02 net rating
Garland and Sexton: +13.58 net rating
Garland only: +10.92 net rating
Sexton and Rubio: +0.97 net rating
Rubio only: 0.00 net rating
Sexton only: -20.00 net rating
DG and Okoro: +12.88
Sexland, no Okoro: -6.35
All three on the court: +44.12
bench Sexton, start Okoro agenda strong as ever.
Garland, no Sexton, no Okoro: +37.5
That’s what I was curious about and about as I expected.
Here’s Okoro:
Team is ever so slightly worse without Mobley on the floor…. amazing stat for a one and done rookie:
Sexton’s improvement, but Okoro’s numbers are very similar and possibly explains why JB’s rolling with him in the 4th quarter.
Darius Garland is running some damn good team offense so far
Great tidbit in Fedor’s article about JB being big on on/off stats…. interesting numbers going thru the rotation players, will post in a thread here:
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Thanks for the recap and good points by all. I agree with prioritizing winning at this point in the season. Playing meaningful game for as long as possible (play-in/playoff push?!…. Better to pump the breaks on that. Too early in the season…) would be a great test to our young guys. Did anyone catch Allen’s immediate post game interview with Grey? I just find it funny how realistic/honest he is. He made a quick comment how these Cavs aren’t used to winning close games. Made me LOL. That’s goes along with his comments a while back how the Cavs are… Read more »
Lauri DPOY????
https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/1453023495516930054?s=20
MPJ was pretty awful last night.
Nice recap Dani!
I’d echo the sentiments of Rob, John, and Jason: a oft-forgotten part of player development is team success. I’m glad they’re putting Mobley’s development first by surrounding him with veterans who know how to play the game.
That being said, I agree with you that Mobley has absolutely earned more touches. They should run more stuff for him and stagger Sexton as much as possible to let Mobley sop up some usage. I think increasing Mobley touches will help his development AND lead to better team basketball.
I think that’s totally reasonable, and I’m not asking for the Cavs to be the Thunder – that’s not gonna happen and I don’t want it to. It’s not like we should have Isaac Okoro trying to play like Zach Lavine. But on Mobley, I agree – he’s already an effective offensive player, capable of scoring and passing at a fairly high level. Given that he’s also the guy we are betting on to become a major star, I would just like to see a lot more of the offense run through him when he’s on the floor. It may… Read more »
Yup, 100% agree… I think there’s no question Mobley’s earned it and my hot take is that I think it would improve the offense over the course of the season!!!!
Dang is the next draft as loaded at the top as this year’s?????
Zach Lowe is hyped on Mobley and is the rookie he is most excited about to the point he has to temper his excitement according to his latest podcast. Crazy high on Mobley.
Thanks for the recap. Just had a baby and fell asleep at halftime. Re your point on winning vs development, I respectfully disagree. For many of these guys, all they know is losing (Sexton, Garland, Lauri, Okoro, even Love outside of 4 LBJ years). Yes of course we’d like to see Ice shoot (and make) more threes, we’d like to see Garland be more aggressive and we’d like more touches for Mobley. But I would argue another year of 22-60 (likely followed by coach / GM firings) is more harmful than 32-50 with some veteran leadership. Rubio was a big… Read more »
Precisely my view. Ease guys in to running the team. Try to win at this point. Stagnation is death. Losing over and over and over just develops awful habits and wrecks guy’s as far as developing into winning players with winning habits.
3rded. I think you should have to make guys earn minutes. Once you earn minutes, then you have to earn more responsibility. Plus, for young guys, or any player, letting them focus on what they do best more often breeds more success & confidence. Let them work on the weak points slowly. We do not need a ton of Okoro triples, or Mobley-centric offense. Hell, Collin hijacks the O enough as it is. If you force Okoro to take a bunch of 3s & he misses a lot, he could go into a shell. Especially early in the season. Last… Read more »
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Seemed like a really fun win. I’ve only watched various highlight packages so far, but they look great. Jokic is a great small-ball center, but against 3 mobile bigs he was overwhelmed. Very pleased to see a win triggered, not by a player getting hot, but by interesting tactics, lineups, and defense.
Dunno if he was overwhelmed. Had 24 points on 15 shots and a whopping 19 boards with 3 offensive. I think their problem was shooting and sloppiness as in 6 tovs by Jokic and 21 tov overall. They shot terribly from deep which was a major factor and the tovs have been an issue for them all season.
They definitely are not the same team without Murray.
Fair, there just seemed be highlight after highlight of him standing under the basket while Love or Allen is dunking or laying in an easy layup, and he was -12 for the game.
He isn’t exactly a rim protector as evidenced by him getting posterized by Markkanen in the first qtr, but I think he had an a pretty decent game save for the tovs. Guys weren’t hitting a typical amount of shots around him though.
Geez at that stat line. Gotta say, just watching the game, not paying attention to the stats, I assumed he had a fairly pedestrian game.
“and Cavs fans would have been fine with a close loss and some Evan Mobley highlights” is depressingly accurate.
I couldn’t watch the game (thanks Bally sports), but did watch a bunch of highlights. I think Allen is the kind of guy who Jokic really has a hard time defending, and he certainly did last night. Allen had several games worth of offensive highlights in this one.
Hard to say how much to credit the Cavs or discredit the Nuggets (both teams were bad from three, and loads of Denver TOs), but a win is a win. Would like to see Lauri have a game or two really stroking it from three.
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