Live Thread: Mavs @ Cavs
2022-12-17Good evening CtB!
The Dallas Mavericks G-League squad have arrived on the shores of Lake Erie to take on the Cavs in what ought to be schedule win for the Cavs given the situation at hand. It will be incumbent upon the Cavs to handle their business against a squad that has no serious designs on winning the game without their do-everything player Luka Dončić and his sidekick Spencer Dinwiddie.
Tip off is scheduled for 8:00PM Eastern time and will be broadcasted live on Bally Sports Ohio, Go Cavs!
Celtics lose to the Magic. Again. A real shame.
yeah, I’m bumming out!
Magic, Bulls, and Cavs have the Celtics #!
cap up!
Not certain why the outcry on the board for cedi/love in the game at the end. The defensive strategy was to body up on Kenna at the 3 point line and make them go inside. Even with our best defensive lineup, they were cutting us up pretty well. Love can’t stick with anyone anymore. Cedi wants to play free safety and fouls a lot in those situations. I can see putting in love for the inbound, but I think they were out of timeouts at that point, so a defensive sun wouldn’t have been available?
JB’s tacit admission post-game it was an error to sub in JA and throw it to him is good enough for me to think it was an error.
It’s not about “defense”, they had possession and a 1 point lead with 22 secs left, so they knew Mavs would foul ASAP to prevent them running out the clock. Unless they were taking advantage of Jarrett’s height to inbound the ball to someone else, they did not need him on the floor. Mavs still had a TO and likely would use it after the FTs, so JB would have had a chance to sub Jarrett back in for Love.
Not to mention Love’s a better ball handler and passer, so even if you’re not setting him up to shoot the freebies, in that specific situation he’s a better option than Allen as your “big” whether he’s inbounding or on the floor.
Replying to CLF and Jason’s posts at the start of this live thread . . . I believe there’s now enough data to start asking what might be wrong with Mitchell + Okoro + E. Mobley lineups. Aside from those, the Cavs are doing great even when Okoro’s playing: +13.0 per 48 – Okoro + E. Mobley but not Mitchell (148 minutes) + 9.3 per 48 – Okoro off the floor (950 min) + 7.7 per 48 – Okoro + Mitchell but not E. Mobley (106 min) + 2.9 per 48 – Okoro and neither E. Mobley nor Mitchell (133… Read more »
best 5 man lineups with Okoro include Cedi mainly…. stinks any time he’s playing with starters.
Not sure simply including Osman would solve the problem . . .
Mitchell + Okoro + Osman + E. Mobley lineups are -7.7 per 48 in 69 minutes together so far this season.
I think the main point is Okoro’s simply not good enough to play unless he’s going against backups, and that Cedi is in all 3 of OKoro’s best 5 man lineups.
Agree it’s plausible that opponent lineup quality may be correlated to these Cavs’ player combinations.
If you happen to be aware of any own-team-5-man-vs.-opponent-5-man lineup aggregators, can you point me to one? I’d be really eager to check that hypothesis.
home/road splits available on nba dot com: https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanced
but, as far as I can tell, nba.com doesn’t show who the opposing team had on the floor while Okoro et al. was on.
oh yeah, good luck finding that unless you scrub play by play or pay out the nose for some proprietary service.
the Cavs actually won!
get back on your meds.
Playoffs will be interesting and illuminating in all likelihood.
DG was completely robbed of the JYD award, 12 assists, five stocks!!! zero turnovers, team high +14 in a 1 point game… JB with another bad decision.
He likes to give the JYD to the role players rather than the stars if he can.
maybe because there are a lot less opportunities for role players to win it?
Reading headlines like “Cavs continue to dominate at home” reminds me that journalism is a profession best undertaken following training.
JA and LeVert are both 75% from the line this year so it’s not crazy that JB has JA in the game, especially as a big to get the ball to if the inbound is difficult.
Love is, what? 88%?
Allen was already 1-5 on FTs tonight at the time. It is 9ne thing if was 7-8 or something tonight. But he was obviously struggling and Love is near 90%.
You make a good point overall. JA is not horredous. But he was bad tonight. Love is elite.
Love is struggling with his shot, I assume his thumb. I had the same reaction when it happened. I suppose you could argue that he was statistically due to start making FT’s.
That is a valid point on Kev’s thumb, but he was better from deep (at the time) than Allen was at the FT line.
And the play design is a whole nother discussion, regardless of if Allen is in or not.
I guess we didn’t turn it over, so baby steps?
I was honestly half expecting a turnover there, I’ll admit. I also didn’t like the idea of JA taking those foul shots. He’s generally fine, but he wasn’t last night, and I think, like everyone else in the game at the time, he had tired legs.
Neto then.
Yeah, I also would have had Neto in for that.
Under normal circumstances I probably wouldn’t have as much of an issue with Allen shooting FTs. But he was clearly struggling at the line tonight.
Agreed. Especially when Love is 88% & JA obviously struggling.
Okoro with the JYD award…
Maybe it’ll boost his confidence?
He got 11 shots up tonight. 5/11 I think. I think he was 0-4 from deep, but at least he isn’t afraid to take them like he was earlier.
6 boards, 1 steal, 2 blocks. Baby steps.
Baby steps indeed!
I thought he played fairly well. More so in the first half.
Did anyone watch post-game? Did anyone ask JB why TF Allen was in the game late in the obvious foul situation?
He was asked. Looked a little embarrassed, said it was a creative play made on the fly, and that “he was on the floor because we believe he is capable of making his free throws.”
yeah as I suspected, vote of confidence move that backfired LMFAO
LMFAO OK Nate was right retire the award now it’s pointless sorry LMFAOOOO
yo. it JR’s award.
you don’t like how he picks winners? start you own award, then you get to pick it.
Bucks blow out Jazz without Giannis.
There are 3 20-win teams in the East (Cavs, Bucks, Celtics), and zero in the West. Cavs would be tied for the top seed in the West, hypothetically speaking.
No dominant teams this year or past few years. Good time to sneak up on people in playoffs or get lucky via injuries.
Good parity!
A lot of the best teams either were/are missing big pieces (Celtics/Bucks/Grizz/Suns/Nets/Dubs) or working guys back from major injuries (Clips/Nuggets).
Almost no one has had close to a healthy starting 5 thus far.
I still don’t think there is a clear favorite. No team, not even the bucks, is dominant. Bucks weren’t dominant in their title run either.
I’m hoping the Nets fall into their own trap game tomorrow against the Pistons, to give us a little space.
Suns/Pels on NBATV
Suns up by 2 with 3 to go in the 4th
booker with a 50 burger i heard
He’s got 57
Pels had a huge lead in the first half.
Nance misses a pair of FTs
McCollum starting to really ball again lately.
Well, I’d much rather be lamenting an ugly win than a brutal loss, but that was ugly.
After beating the Bucks by 41, the Grizz lose in OKC tonight.
Yeah that’s crazy!
gotta keep reminding everyone: there is a reason why they play the games.
Ja got booted early
I like the 3-man team of Carr-Brad-JM. Will Bally’s let the Czar join them for a 4-man team? Or are they like JB rolling with the starters?
Brad much much better as the third guy
Exciting to see more and more plays every game from Mobley where he’s showing growth as a player…
Neto has been a positive in the vast majority of minutes he’s played this season. When he finally played tonight, he was a plus. It’s malpractice for JB not to be leaning on him more in these back to backs…
It’s basically a broken record at this point. He likes 8/9 man rotations.
And I completely agree with your comment!
he definitely got the ball popping and forced a turnover… bought 5 minutes for DG/Spida
I know just give him that every night, at the very least.
Can we really trust him with five minutes, though…?
That would be really edgy! I don’t know?!
Neto did get non-garbage time minutes today. Not many, but some.
ELI WAS IN THE HOUSE CTB UNDEFEATED
I also heard Nate’s Hot Tub was at Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse!
LMFAOOOOOOOOO
Gold jacket sighted?
THATS RIGHT SIMMO
A win is a win is a win !!! Or is it? Geesh that was ugly as hell
Whole team needs a good bowel movement.
Defense wins… and wins ugly
Woof. Lucky to walk away after that crap-fest from JB.
JFC…a win, but good god…
Wood might’ve hit Lake Erie with that 3!
JR approves
whew, gg
Wow that was one of the ugliest wins ever!
Shit
Hoe the ell did JA miss that…smh….
Cant get the board.
Got a baaad feeling here.
Not mad at us. Just mad at the wedgie. To clarify.
We escaped. Not sure we deserved that one.
OT wedgie
😂
Everyone sucks tonight including the ball.
Post of the night
LMFAO
Jump ball ugh
WTF WAS THAT JA
JB leaving Cedi and Love on the bench so long in the 4th to make them unusable, great stuff JB
Allen missing a lot of easy bunnies
Nobody wants this one.
I think Spida wants this one
Nilakina basically tackled Mitchell
Donovan fuming
Good stop Spida!
We cannot put them away. Another chance for separation.
Caris looking spent
7 of 35 from 3. Ouch
JA is gonna need to play a lot of bench on Monday.
JB I mean
he’ll go with a 7 man lineup
LMFAOOOOOO DO I HEAR 6 DO I HEAR 6??????
He’s playing a 4-man unit
7/35 from 3 … wow
Sluggish, dysfunctional offense all damn night.
Has been for what… 2 weeks?
We just put 118 on Indiana 121 on SAS and beat the shit out of the Mavs. Offense is developing really well. This was a good week! We learned a lot and went 3-1!
By grinding guys into the dust. Nothing should be easy and doing less with more are JB’s mantras. ‘Because I sure as hell don’t know how to make it easy.’
Being mad at the team / coach growing and learning while a 3 seed <<<<<<
I could care less about the three seed. Would rather be a five or six seed if it means guys are healthy for the playoffs and we actually have a bench that functions.
He is just a bad tactical and game management coach. No way around that. His out of bounds plays are and always have been atrocious and that is one of they main indicators of xs and os skills.
We are fine. The bench functions well, we are arguably the deepest team in the league once Rubio and Wade are back and the starters are talented enough and healthy enough.
The weakness has been executing late and when fatigued, going back to last year. Donovan knows how to do that. The others are learning BUT you can only learn that by doing. gonna be ugly before it gets good, with flashes, just like 14-18. And even ugly we are a top-8 team.
So fix your face.
Executing late and fatigue is a result of a thibs like level rotation inflexibility in the modern nba. Regular season is the time to use the bench to it’s max. If the cavs are as deep and talented as advertised regular season seeding doesn’t matter as much. And that doesn’t address bizarre in-game rotations, nonsensical out of bounds plays (so many head-scratchers), the lack of or bizarre challenge decisions, and the predictable and scoutable single action (high p and r) offense. So fix your face. Regular season is a different story than the playoffs, where bad tactical decIsions cost games… Read more »
Regular season is the time to use the bench when you know what your stars are and what to do in crunch time. Every other contender has that and has bench guys that need to develop. We have the reverse: bench guys who are known quantities and stars that need to develop and advance their games. This is good but it means game management is going to be different because the in season goals are different than for MIL/BOS/BKN/PHL/ATL/NYK. So much can go wrong with a rebuild: so much has gone right with us and you are sweating ATOs in… Read more »
OT games on b2b aren’t great bball!
GET YOUR HEAD IN THE GAME SPIDA
Wood is pissing me off.
Sloppy as f$ck!
Man the refs calling odd fouls everywhree
DG to JA. YAY
Lame ticky-tack call on LeVert
DG TO JA LETS GOOOOOOOOOO
Yeah JA!
Caris AC style
CARIS CLUTCH
MAKEUP CALL THANK YOU REF I GUESS
When Kemba came out early and hit a couple of threes I had zero doubt he would light the Cavs up all night…
Make-or-miss, DG.
Not feeling good about this one
???????????? HOW IS THAT A FOUL/?????????
Lazy, Caris.
WTF refs?!?!
JA is a 75% free throw shooter, I doubt LeVert would have hit both.
I think JBs logic of having Allen getting the inbounds was that he is bigger and won’t get bullied for a TO. But that’s just dumb when he’s struggling, esp. from the Line.
yup, it was a vote of confidence call that blew up in his face.
Grind this with Mobley