Live Thread: Cavs vs Grizzlies 2023-02-02 Off By Nate Smith Whoops late live thread! Sharpest start I’ve seen. No LeVert, no Adam’s, no JJJ. Should be a good one! Podcap: Miami 100, Cleveland 97 (or, Your Gravity Fails & Negativity Don’t Pull You Through) Recap: Cleveland 128, Memphis 113 (or, Dawgz)
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I get that life is busy and listening to a 2 hour podcast can be hard to fit in. But CtB always brings the content if you are patient.
For example, you have to wait to the 1hr 54 min mark of the latest podcap to hear the best line. The sting is always in the tail.
Lol. I know the line too. I was kinda proud of that one.
According to Marc Stein, there are 3 untouchables in Utah: Big Finnish, Walker Kessler, and Agbaji. Eveeyone ekse, including Sexton, can be had.
Just watching the Timberwolves / Magic Rookus:
Ref #60 wasn’t taking no crap, he was jerking guys right out of the scrum, and going after whoever was next.
Nets are in a tough spot, which is why Irving did what he did. If Irving walks in FA, the Nets can only use the mid-level to sign a replacement. If Ben Simmons is your second best player, you ate not winning jack. KD knows it, thus losing Irving for next to nothing (or just future picks and expirings) means 35 year old KD wants out, too.
Conversely, is there really a team out there willing to give Irving a multi-year max deal.
Most likely outcomes:
1) They call his bluff/don’t trade him/can’t get crap for him. He plays out the season & they have another negotiation in the summer. He could still walk, re-sign, or do a sign & trade in summer.
2) They don’t trade him and he pouts & quits on them. He most likely walks here but a S&T still possible. He never plays for Brooklyn again. Durant asks for a trade, again, & they start over.
3) He gets traded. KD as well in the off-season. They are stuck with Simmons.
so sad.
I read somewhere that Mitchell has attempted 2 FTs in his last 117 minutes of game time. The groin is an issue.
To hit a man in the balls is such a weak ass move. They should have suspended 3 games for being a pussy
agree. +1 for intentionally rolling over on his feet.
Trade him to the Lakers. They will make the finals where their big 3 will get thumped by the Cavs Core Four. The Flatearther will sign with the Knicks for 23 – 24, and refuse to play during the next Covid outbreak.
If I were the Nets I’d ask for Dinwiddie and Wood (from the Mavs) for Kyrie.
It does not hurt to ask, but……Kyrie can walk after this year. That diminishes his trade value.
The Lakers and Mavericks are among the teams expected to talk to the Nets before next Thursday’s trade deadline about a possible deal involving Kyrie Irving, according to veteran NBA reporter Marc Stein (Twitter link).
In addition to the Lakers and Mavs, the Suns have emerged as a potential suitor for Irving, sources tell Shams Charania of The Athletic (Twitter link). Dan Woike of The Los Angeles Times tweets that there has also been some buzz in league circles about the Heat being a team to watch.
Kyrie and Chris Paul on the same team…makes sense. If you’re insane.
😂😂😂
Unless they trade Paul for Irving.
Paul, Irving, & Booker makes no sense.
Well, if Lloyd is correct & LeVert is extended and Love wants to come back. We’d have this signed for next year:
PG/SG/ComboG: Garland, Mitchell, Rubio
Wing/SG/SF: LeVert, Okoro, Osman (non-guaranteed).
Forward: Wade, Stevens (team option)
PF/C: Mobley, Allen, Love
That’s 11. Of those 11, Stevens, Cedi, & Love would be the most likely NOT to be back. But if we roll with those 11.
Remaining roster spots: #12. 3rd PG. Neto again is fine by me if he’s willing. But a youngster to learn from Rubio would not be bad, either. 2nd rd pick or vet min type. #13. #2 C upgrade. I like the idea of having a bulkier C on the roster, and Love RoLo as a dude, but he is too cement footed at this stage. Another vet, a 2nd rd pick, or one of last year’s 2nds, Diop or elder Mobley. #14. Windler upgrade. He is just never availavle to play. Trade/swing on Reddish. Sign the best vet you can… Read more »
Not sure if I missed it. Where did Lloyd predict this?
Doh. Just scrolled down. Nm.
A ” SNUBBED–PISSED–MOTIVATED ” DG COULD BE FUN TO WATCH THE REST OF THE SEASON—-KEEP ON VOTING THIS KID OFF THE ALL STAR TEAM AND HE WILL BE A SURE HOF CANDIDATE ——–HEY DG YOU ARE OUR “ALL STAR ” HERE AT CTB —WE GOT YOUR BACK BROTHER ——–” DON’T START IT……BUT DON’T RUN FROM IT ” SHOULD BE OUR MANTRA THE REST OF THE SEASON !!!
It sure is nice to see Reggie Miller getting blasted so hard on Twitter. What a clown.
SO IF CAVS ARE NOT REALLY LOOKING TO TRADE AND YES ( SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD ) AGREE WITH JASON—FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN THE PLAYERS OFFERED FOR LEVERT —WE ARE BETTER OFF KEEPING HIM —-THOSE PLAYERS OFFERED IN MY OPINION WOULD WEAKEN THIS TEAM—–SO WE GO BACK TO THE CAVS “POSSIBLY ” IN PURSUIT OF REDDISH—-SMALL // MINOR TRADE —BUT HAS POTENTIAL FOR A NICE PAYOFF—–AND WHO KNOWS A CHANGE OF SCENERY MAY HELP BOTH PLAYERS –REDDISH AND WINDLER
and it often takes a good while until a new player fits in. so any Levert trade would have to be for someone enough better to make up for the “fit in time”. and why would anyone make such a trade.
JASON THERE IS “NOT MUCH ” BRAIN FROM ME TOO SHARE —–THE MRS NOMAD WOULD BE 100 % SUPPORTIVE OF THAT
WOULD LOVE TO SEE FLAT EARTH END UP WITH THE HEAT—–THAT WAY HE CAN BRING DOWN TO TEAMS FOR US///NETS// HEAT— ALSO GOOD POSSIBILITY JBUTLER WOULD LITTERALLY” FLATTEN ” FLAT EARTH
Kyrie and Jimmy Buckets, a match made in heaven.
I’d rather he go to the Western conference. He’d make the Heat better.
WHICH MEANS THEY ARE “ARDENTLY ” LOOKING AT TRADES
Heard Lloyd on 92.3 and he said that the Cavs are looking to extend LeVert and Love would like to finish his career here. He also thinks they won’t look for any trades.
I am at peace with keeping LeVert. I like him better than any player he was rumored to be traded for. He is streaky, and not great at anything, but pretty good at numerous things. He seems a good dude & good teammate. He seems OK with shifting roles. I he gets hot he can carry you for a quarter or even a game.
I hope Cedi stays. He is streaky as well. But he, too can carry us for a quarter when hot. Not a huge fan of the +/- or on/off stats, especially in small sample sizes. For instance, all Cavs players have pisitive OFFs, and all but 1 (Lopez) are positive whe ON.
I tend to payore attention to the ON numbers, as OFF reflects other players. If we are significantly positive with them ON, then I am not in a rush to get rid of the guy, as we can perform well with him on court.
Which brings us to Osman. For a stat to make CLF proud, here are the ON court +/- ratings for our players.
Core 4: EM +3.4, DM +4.8, DG +6.2, JA +6.7.
Core rotation: RR +1.9, LS +2.0, CL +2.8, IO +3.5, KL +3.5, CO +7.7, DW +9.3.
Deep Bench: RL -3.8, RN +4.9.
That +7.7 for Cedi is an AWFUL big number. He has played 1,109 minutes. That ain’t no fluke. A role player who contributed to winning basketball when on court on a readonable contract is not domething I wanna let go.
Points per 100 possessions (roughly 1 game).
JASON —AGAIN –WE THINK EXACTLY ALIKE —PURSUING REDDISH —-FOR WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSEDLY GIVING UP—AND THE POSSIBLE RETURN—-IT IS WORTH THE GAMBLE —–SIZE// ATHLETICISM ALWAYS “INTRIGUE ” ME —WHICH IS WHY I WOULD BE A POOR GM
We must share the same brain!
WCC–YOU MADE ME DO A ‘CLF ” —-I NEEDED THAT —HAVE HAD A “TOUGH 2-3 DAYS WITH A VIRUS PACKAGE FROM MY GRANDKIDS —–JUST ANOTHER REASON FOR THE MRS NOMADS ” LATE NIGHT– NO –RESPONSES “…………” MORE IMMODIUM // PEPTO PLEASE “
I think we might look back on last night’s game as the moment this team took the step forward to being legitimate championship contenders. I’m impressed (and slightly surprised) at the Cavs response. After Spida knocked Brooks on his ass, the Cavs as a collective, metaphorically knocked Memphis on their ass. Rubio did his Rubio thing of old and DG and the young guns took it to them. I think we all learned something about them last night and they likely learned something about themselves. DEFEND THE LAND MOTHERF#@ERS!
I hope you are right. Memphis was depleted, but Morant was still out there.
same
“FLAT EARTH ” KYRIE DOING WHAT HE DOES BEST BEING A TOTAL A– HOLE—WHY WOULD ANY GM// PLAYER WANT HIM ON THEIR TEAM
Because your shooting guard is Russell Westbrook???… hahaha.
The 3 teams I predict he will go to are the Lakers, Heat, and Mavs.
With a dark horse of the Warriors
Jimmy Butler would murder him inside a month. They’d all go out on a boat and Kyrie would never come back. No one would say anything beyond he must’ve fallen off.
Apparently he’s good friends with Jimmy Butler
Butler never had to play with him and deal with his bullshit. That would wear thin *real* quick.
They played together on the Olympic team.
Okay, but that’s more fantasy vacation basketball.
True but i feel like they’ve expressed interest in playing together
I am not high on Reddish as a player. I think his BBIQ/awareness is not great, he does not rebound well, his defense is spotty, and has one season above 33% from deep.
However….he is 6’8″,220 and has a QO of $8.1 mil next year. He flashed in Atlanta’s run to the conference finals two years back. For Windler & a second? Might be a worthy reclaimation project.
Interesting idea, Windler is like a mythic animal at this point, there’s no reason to think he’ll ever be able to play/withstand NBA basketball, so he’s essentially worthless. Reddish is a good athlete with size. Maybe he just needs a change of scenery. No more of a risk than a second round draft pick, I suppose he’s more expensive than a second round pick, but there’s certainly more data on him than a college kid.
We are likely picking 20th or later until 2030. The last year we control our own pick in that span is 2024.
Point being, low risk reclaimation projects may be one of the few ways to get talent in the door. I think Reddish THINKS he is a good player while he isn’t, which is why I don’t want him here. But if he adjusts his ‘tude….
For reference, Cavs picks:
2023: 1st to Indy (Top 14 prot); 2nd: Swap with GSW pick, we get the most favorable, Bucks the least. Currently at #45.
2024: 1st: own; 2nd: to NY/Mem/Indy; we have GSW’s 2nd protected 31-55 (likely not conveyed).
2025: 1st to Utah; 2nd: own + Milwaukee’s 2nd.
2026: 1st: Utah has swap rights; 2nd: to Indy if the first does not convey this year; + Lakers 2nd.
2027: 1st: to Utah; 2nd: own + Denver’s.
2028: 1st: Utah swap; 2nd: own
2029: 1st: to Utah; 2nd: own
I didn’t realize this years pick was protected.
so was last year’s, that’s why we got it.
Yep. If we fall into the play-in and get beat (again), we’d keep the pick (again). Indy would get two 2nds instead.
But I think we will stay 6th or higher, but it is only like a 3 game cushion at present.
Lofl…according to Shams, Kyrie has requested a trade, and prefers to be moved prior to the deadline. So glad this moron is not on the Cavs.
I don’t know why anyone would want to sign him?
Just a desperate team like the Lakers. Also, KD probably isn’t as much a father figure to Kyrie as Lebron is.
His present value is next to nothing. The good news for us is that #4 seed just got more likely.
If he is traded, they cannot get equal value in return. If he isn’t, he pouts and screws them that way.
True. Kyrie is always going to screw you one way or the other. Cavs got the best out of him that anyone is ever going to get out of him, at least for a couple of seasons.
Funny discussion about the Brooks b.s. from the No Dunks guys. Shout out to J.E. for nominating Reggie Miller for worst of the week for his dumb commentary on the replay. Starts around the 30 min mark:
JASON I WAS THINKING THE VERY SAME ABOUT LOVE—-I REALLY ADMIRE// SUPPORT // HIM // WILL ALWAYS HAVE A PLACE ” IN CAVS HEARTS ” LIKE WILD THING —BUT MAYBE IF WE CAN USE HIS EXPIRING IN A TRADE WHY NOT—-KLOVE CAN COME BACK NEXT YEAR AT A LOWER COST
Yeah, a Rubio situation is my best-case scenario. Or perhaps 2nd best. I’d love to have the Kev that was runner-up 6th man last year and starting out hot this year (Knicks game). If resting him up can get that guy back, it is worth a try.
That does not sound like what JB said was going on, from MikeO’s post downthread. If he is out of the regular rotation…then I’d lean towards exploring a trade.
Has JB said anything about Love? He is no longer showing on the injury reports but is not playing. I was hoping his poor play recently was injury related (back, thumb). And that we were just trying to get him right by sitting him.
But if he is a healthy scratch, and that is a big if, then perhaps we should look for a trade. If Kev cannot be the player he was last year anymore, might we try to get SOMETHING for his expiring? It may not be much, however. Or anything we’d want to keep.
I am loathe to suggest it, as I hate to give away shooting. And he can still rebound & pass.
He said a couple of days ago that he and Love had had a ‘tough conversation’ about his minutes being matchup dependent. I have no idea how his thumb is impacting him right now, but if he can’t shoot right now, it’s hard to play him.
Thanks MikeO.
If he cannot shoot, indeed he has to sit.
I loved that Mitchell went after Brooks post-game.
Bravo.
RAOUL. JUST THE EXPRESSION ON ICE S FACE MAYBE IT JUST ME AND MY TOO MANY BEERS 🍺 PLAYING TRICKS ON ME HOT OFF THE RUMOR PRESS SPIDA HAS JUST SIGNED A DEAL TO BE THE SPOKESMAN FOR THE “ GOT JUNK “ COMMERCIALS 🤪🤪🤪🤪
great!
maybe the best coached game by JB the game could’ve gotten ugly after that scuffle and let emotions rue, but he and staff calmed the guys down enough, but told them to keep the gas on, it was basically a blowout after that.
Dillon Brooks is gonna be screwed after this, any move he makes he will get T’d up from now on and he will cost a playoff game for Grizz and be on is way out. Mark it down.
good points. long time vets often mention that to be a champion, you have to “play through it” no matter what happens, and get a W
Great use of timeouts in this game – no one “ever” had cause to say that about a JB-coached Cavs game before!
ICE’S ” MOVES ” AT THE VERY END ARE VERY IMPRESSIVE AND HAUNTING AT THE SAME TIME
what was haunting about them?
YEP EMPHASIS ON “JUNK ” —————-I HAVE YET TO RECEIVE A “JUNK ” YARD CHAIN FROM THE MRS NOMAD ………………..” MORE BEER PLEASE “
👀
😂😂😂
haha!
The Clips didn’t score for like the last 4-5 minutes.
Bucks come from 21 behind in the 3rd to win it behinds Giannis going for 54 and stupidly turned it over after a rebound b/c he did not want to shoot FTs.
Just did a quick scan of reddit/nba, and it appears that basically everyone holds Brooks completely responsible for that BS. Even Grizz fans. Which is the correct reaction.
Dude is just a d-bag, and always has been.
Watch Donovan get after him in the post game presser – pretty funny
The kids grew up a bit tonight with Uncle Ricky showing them what to do when some punk ass punches your brother in the balls.
You love to see it.
go Cavs!!!!
Super 4th quarter from Ricky and Cedi to put it away.
Sure could win a lot of games scoring 128 a night!
Garland had 30+, Cedi 20+, Mobley & Allen with 17+. Ice & Ricky in double figures. DG, JA, and Mobes all with double doubles.
Hope Mitchell’s groin can get some healing in.
Lakers came from way back to beat Indy by 1.
Unfortunately Bucks won by 1 point against Clippers..
Best win in a long time I feel.
with ya on that!
The nice thing is the lead pipe certainty with this win that the Cavs will lose their next game. So plan around it.
lol
take a nap
It’s in Indy too, which is always tough.
Garland was the best player tonight
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Not even close. Mobley, Allen, & Ricky top 5.
we’re up 20 and the grizzlies put their starters on the bench so JB counters with keeping and bringing in starters…?🤦♂️
Right!?!?
Put in neto. WTF are u doing
Sit starters pls
Knicks beat Heat
I know it pains JB, but it’s time to sit the starters…
Lol
get the starters out!
JB gonna JB
Cedi charge.
Morant out. White flag time.
JB should follow suit.
Why is garland out there?
Rowdy Roddy.
Grizz wave the white flag
this game is amazing!!! so frustrating that we dont see this team more often
So much fire and effort and ball movement.
How do we evaluate our play without Clankis LeVert?
The results speak for themselves
Okoro. Gonna be in this league a long time. I’m not worried at all about him long term. Cavs would be smart to extend him on a reasonable contract this offseason. 4-50 get it done?
Morant with 5 fouls
RICKY RUBIO!!!
wow what a game!!!
Moondog just hit his first no-look halfcourt shot. Everyone firing tonight.
lol nice
Hahaha. Do u get the announcers? Or just stadium feed?
TNT feed for this one, stadium feed during the ad breaks. The place was hopping during the timeouts!
Ricky just blew this open
31 assists on 47 FG… solid.
Rubio pushing the pace. Love it.
Ricky !!!!!
Ricky Cavalance!
Biggest Ricky game since his injury…
Ricky looking more and more comfortable out there
This may vindicate Neto not getting run tonight, although usually I’m in the “play Neto” camp.
Although with 3 minutes left and a 21 point lead, it’s time to clear the bench.