Recap: Cleveland 128, Memphis 113 (or, Dawgz)
2023-02-04It’s no secret that we’ve criticized JB Bickerstaff on this site. His in-game tactical adjustments have left some of us irate at times, and after Tuesday’s loss to the Heat, the mood around the Cavaliers was somber and a little bizarre. J.B. must have pushed the right buttons because the Cavs came out of the locker room with scintillating energy that lasted the whole game. After the contest, there was little doubt that coach B is still the vibes king for the Cleveland Cavaliers, awarding the coveted Junk Yard Dawg award to an ejected Donovan Mitchell, for “standing up for himself.”
Thursday’s game was highlighted by a third quarter dust-up between NBA All-Butthole first teamer Dillon Brooks and actual NBA All-Star Donovan Mitchell.
After a missed layup, Brooks rolled over and clearly tagged Mitch in the jimmies. Donovan went after Dillon like junk yard dog of yore, shoving brooks Brooks into the stantion, sparking an altercation that featured every player on the floor, both coaching staffs, epically oblivious commentary from Reggie Miller, and a hilarious “boink” sound effect TNT’s Kevin Harlan added to the replay. Mitchell and Brooks were ejected, Donovan had nothing nice to say post-game. He also ended up with a $20k fine.
If there was any doubt who was winning this one, it was snuffed out post-dust-up when Cedi Osman, Darius Garland, and Ricky Rubio led an extended Cavalanche that put Cleveland up 22 by the mid-fourth and relegated crunch time to garbage time.
To be fair, the motivation the wine and gold found coming into this one could’ve been due to a rare appearance on national TV, and their physical dominance had more than a little to do with the absence of Jaren Jackson Junior and Steven Adams. But all you can do is play the team in front of you, and the Cavs did just that. Missing two Memphis starters, Allen and Mobley feasted, posting 18/11/4 and 18/14/5 lines while they combined for seven stocks.
Mobley especially seems to be coming into his own lately. (Not that Allen was any slouch tying a team high +2-).
Evan Mobley's last 9 games:
20.4 points (57% FG)
9.2 rebounds
2.1 assists
1.2 blocksHe leads the entire NBA in Defensive Win Shares this season
— Tony Pesta (@Tony_Pesta) January 28, 2023
The big guys did struggle a bit keeping tabs on starting power forward Santi Aldama who drifted out to the wings and the corners for too open triples to finish with a 21 point 10 board night. Sophomore Aldama is yet another brilliant draft pick by Memphis who feature former #CavsTwitter stalwart Jacob L. Rosen as the head of their analytics department. Xavier Tillman started at center and turned in Memphis’ only positive plus/minus (outside of garbage time) at +13 with six points and six boards, but the good guys absolutely roasted Brandon Clarke (game low -28). Much of that had to do with the Cavs smaller lineups with Cedi and Wade at the four.
The Cavs didn’t defend the three that well yet again, but at least countered by shooting 14-29 from deep to Memphis’ 10-23. The Cavs lost the rebound battle 41-44, but won this with better offense, converting 49 field goals to the Grizzlies’ 41.
The fracas left Mitchell and Brooks ejected, and honestly, the way Mitchell was clearly laboring through a groin injury, the exchange was probably worth it for Cleveland. Mitchell was 2-11 at that point with just six points. Fortunately, this game featured Darius Garland balling like a golden god as he controlled the entire game to the tune of a 32 point 11 assist masterpiece on just 19 shots.
It certainly helped that the Cavs bench featured shooting and athleticism as Wade, Cedi, and Rubio combined to swish 8-16 from deep. After the game, I tweeted my CtB compatriots that that the Cavs should trade for this Cedi Osman guy (21/0/4, +20) if they want a 30-minutes-a-night wing who can light it up. It almost infuriates when Cedi doesn’t get to play some nights, or when people talk about trading him while he’s flying up and down the court, confidently launching Js, or knifing to the basket.
Cedi also chased Memphis’ leading scorer Desmond Bane doggedly around the perimeter, and limited Bane’s looks in the second half after Okoro struggled to stay with Bane, and over-helped inside. Bane still got his 25 on 6-7 from deep, but as hot as he was, the Cavs limited him to just 7 three point attempts from deep.
The Cavs schemed Ja Morant like champs too. The NBA’s most high flying guard, Morant notched a base8 triple double (24/8/8), but struggled with foul trouble throughout the game. Many of those fouls were due to a very good game plan by the Cavs to target Morant defensively. With the Grizz “hiding” Ja on Isaac Okoro, the Cavs posted Okoro up early, and then put Okoro as the roll-man in the pick-and-roll in the second half, and Isaac played beautifully: scoring 12 points on 5-5 shooting and dishing a pair of dimes out of these sets or getting Garland and the bigs in favorable matchups. Keep ballin’, Ice.
Finally, Ricky’s back. The ball was zipping around when Rubio was on the floor, and his transformation into a willing and effective three point shooter this late in his career has been unique . Early in the game, hall-of-fame idiot Reggie Miller noted that going under the pick-and roll and letting Ricky shoot was a good job of “knowing your personnel” by Memphis. Fortunately Ricky made Reggie shove his dumb words back in his dumb mouth when Rubio canned 3-6 from downtown to finish +15 with 13, four dimes, and three stocks in just 21 minutes. Don’t lose that number, Ricky.
Kevin Love was reportedly healthy enough to play but was a DNP-CD. Apparently Love’s been informed his minutes are going to be cut, so that’s something. The Cavs were sky high after this one and the vibes were good. The only dark clouds were how well the Cavs played without Caris LeVert and Kevin Love who represent roughly $48 million in salary this year. That’s a bit of an eye opener with the trade deadline just a week away. Will be interesting to see what the Cavs do with the trade deadline coming in the middle of a 7-in-10 games stretch heading into the all-star break.
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LT up
LeVert OUT tonight.
Well, the Nets got that done quickly. Makes me think they may try and do another deal.
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Well, I wonder what the contract on Dallas’ end looks like? Din & DFS ate solid rotation guys. Perhaps MORE than solid. Din close to 40% on triples.
Not a haul, though. But I bet the Nets are happy to be done with him.
Good for the Nets. Mavs better hope Kyrie doesn’t poison the well, and make Luka request a trade.
To me didn’t look like the Mavs were a title chaser this year without a move. Maybe this moves the needle, maybe not. Relatively low risk given the trade pieces and Kyrie expiring.
IDK, giving up ANYTHING for Irving is pretty risky. 2 starters and a future 1st + 2 seconds for a guy who can walk in 2 months……
Short term, you just swapped Din for Ky (upgrade) and DFS for Morris (downgrade). Bullock ir Josh Green prbably step into DFS’ starting spot.
Mavs were desperate to get Luka help, so they rolled the dice.
I think the Mavs will rue this day. On the other hand, it’s absolutely hilarious that the Lakers didn’t get him.
Personally I’d want nothing to do with KI no matter how small the cost.
Seconded. Desperation from Dallas. In the most positive light:
1) They were not going anywhere this year standing pat.
2) Irving is the cheapest distressed star they coud possibly get.
3) They have a lot of overpaid guys and ling term cash on their cap sheet. Dinwiddie at $20 mil for next year. DFS at $13-15 for 2 with a PO on a third. If Ky walks, they just use the $$ to try and land a star.
I mean, THJ is at 17 mil for 2 more years. Bertrans $16 for 2 more (PO 2nd). But Powell’s $11 mil comes off the books, and only $6 mil of Bullock’s deal is guaranteed. Wood is a FA.
If Ky walks they at could create some space and only sunk 1 1st.
I think if he stays they are WORSE iff, but that is just me.
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Warriors need to go all in on Kyrie. Trade for him and give him the four year max.
would love it. give him the max before Braymond KO’s him at practice.
Kyrie situation:
The Nets will want to make a deal that feasibly keeps them in contention so KD does not want out this summer. They are gonna want players, nit picks.
Most teams that want Irving have title aspirations (Clips, Suns, Lakers, Mavs) & won’t want to gut their own team to get Irving. Now, if it is a straight PG swap, Paul or Westbrook, that gets lessened a bit. But the Nets want no part of Russ.
Thus, a 3rd team seems needed. That’s IF a team is willing to give Irving more than 2 years on an extension. Giving Irving more years may actually LESSEN his value, as teams may want a discount for that risk. Anywho, all these teams are in the tax, so they can only take back 125% of the outgoing salary +100k in a trade.
Irving x 1.25 = $46,168,188 ($36,934,550)
Westbrook x 1.25 = $58,829,348 ($47,063,478)
Paul x 1.25 = $35,500,000 ($28,400,000)
No straight up deals work.
There was a report that Spurs FO was ‘extremely busy’ since the Kyrie trade demand. Look for them to be the prime target for garbage contracts.
I don’t think Okoro is going anywhere. He’s been starting in front of players better than him for years because the organization thinks his ceiling is high, the results of which are beginning to show. Makes no sense to trade him before the investment pays off.
They’d be morons to trade him unless it was some godfather deal, which I very highly doubt is happening. I don’t think that move is in their plans.
Agreed. They guys who might get moved are, IMHO:
1) LeVert. I like him on our team better than any of the rumored targets: THJ, Hart, DFS, etc. IF we think we are gonna lose him in FA, then that changes things. But it appears he wants to stay.
2) Love. He likes JB, but IDK what the situation is post playing time reduction. I had hoped his poor play lately was injury related (thumb, back). But if not…then it seems if we can use that $29 mil expiring to help the team, do it. I would prefer a Rubio situation where we sign him back next year. We’d lose Bird rights in that situation, though.
3) Cedi. Cedi is under team control for reasonable money next year and has played pretty well and the team has performed well with him on the court. I am not eager to lose him baring a clear upgrade.
4) Windler. Would be a throw in for salary purposes. No way to miss what you never had.
5) Stevens. A possible throw in. But he at least has played and added solid value for the 12th man or so. I love me some Llama.
Sharife Cooper of the Charge named G League player of the month. 27.4 pog on 50% shooting. 6.1 dimes & 4.4 rebounds.
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Kyrie (supposedly) ready to sit the rest if the year if not traded. So says Screaming A. Smith.
https://www.nj.com/nets/2023/02/kyrie-irving-is-prepared-to-sit-out-remainder-of-season-if-the-nets-dont-trade-him-report.html
If he hinted that I’m sure the Nets would take that threat seriously, there’s no one in the league more stubborn than Kyrie.
Steoh Curry may have hurt his knee last night. MCL fears. If he misses significant time, the Warriors could fall significantly in the standings. They are 2.5 games ahead of the 13th place Lakers.
Why do we care? We own GSW’s 2nd round pick this year. Which could end up top 36-40 if Curry is out. We could get a player there.
LIKE ARCH// JASON POSTED —-WE DON’T IMPROVE BY TRADING FOR HART AND GIVING UP ICE// CEDI OR CARIS ——-JUST WOULD NOT MAKE ANY SENSE —–WE HERE AT CTB HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR SOME TIME NOW—–KOBY —DO NOT GIVE ANY PLAYERS AWAY —-IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE A TRADE IT HAS TO BE A TRADE THAT FAVORS// BENIFITS US —–REPEAT DO NOT JUST ” GIVE AWAY ” OUR PLAYERS
AGREEE MY ” HEART ” ISN’T IN FOR HART
I like Josh Hart but again, what are you giving up? I don’t want to give up Okoro, and I’m not sure I’d want to give up LeVert either (who wants to be here). Hart can also opt out of his 3 year deal this summer.
And I wouldn’t want to give up Cedi.
The Hart rumors make no sense. I mean, he is a stat stuffer (8+ boards and 4 dimes per) and a good defender. But he is only 6’5″ and is shooting 31% from deep (34% career).
He makes $13 mil.
For Windler & Cedi, maybe (and I don’t like that). For LeVert? No. We’d need another player to make the salaries work. But another 6’5″-6’6″ guy who is defensively oriented and cannot shoot? We are full up, thanks.
He makes sense since he’d probably play over Ice, Stevens, and Cedi… but it’d be insanely dumb because it hard caps the ceiling of the team… pretty sure, Ice, Stevens, and Cedi all younger than Hart and young enough for more growth… esp Ice.
Yes, it is an upgrade over Ice starting. But we loose shooting if we give up Cedi/LeVert. We loose playmaking if we give up LeVert (though maybe not). And we loose a bit of elite D & upside with Okoro. Plus, he can opt out.
Hart is 27 years, 343 days.
LeVert is 28 years, 171 days.
Cedi: 27 years, 310 days.
Stevens: 25 years, 217 days.
And we loose depth if we have to give up 2 of Cedi/Ice/Windler/Stevens to get him.
FWIW, Portland’s net rating is +0.6 for the year.
Hart ON: +3.8. Hart OFF: -5.8. Diff: +9.1.
The +9.1 is a tenth higher than Dame, and bet among their guys who have played a lot (GPIII is higher on just over 230 minutes). The +3.8 with him ON is 2nd to Dame (+4.4), and GPIII (+10) in fewer minutes.
The Blazers have a significantly better efg%, lower TO rate, and ORtg with him on the court. Opponents have a slightly lower ORtg when he is ON.
Again, I am wary of OFF/ON because IDK how much the guy is driving it or is a passenger. But those numbers are good.
Of Portland’s 20 5-man lineups that have played the most minutes, 10 have a positive rating. Hart is in 7 of them, including the top 5. Of course, he is also in 6 of the 10 negatives. 2 of the bottom 5.
Hart has started all 50 games he’s played as the de-facto SF with Dame & Simons in the backcourt. 33+ minutes per game.
Per game: 9.5/8.2/4.0/1.1/0.2.
Shooting: 50.1/29.6/73.3; TS% 58.2
Per 36: 10.1/8.8/4.3/1.1/0.2
WS/48 = 0.108; WS 3.8; BPM 0.1
ON/OFF: +3.8/-5.3 = +9.1. (Blazers +0.6).
Our guys:
LeVert: 30.9 mpg. 24 starts in 49 games.
Per Game: 12.5/3.9/3.8/0.8/0.2
Shooting: 41.1/37.4/70.5. TS% 51.8%
Per 36: 14.5/4.5/4.4/0.9/0.3
WS/48 = 0.069; WS: 2.2; BPM -1.7
ON/OFF: +2.8/+7.4 = -4.6. (Cavs +4.8).
Osman: 21.3 mpg, 0 starts in 52 games .
Per Game: 9.3/2.2/1.5/0.5/0.1
Shooting: 47.8/36.2/67.1. TS% 59.5%
Per 36: 15.7/3.7/2.5/0.9/0.2
WS/48 = 0.106; WS: 2.4; BPM -0.5.
ON/OFF: +7.7/+2.5 = +5.2. (Cavs +4.8).
Okoro: 20.4 mpg, 24 starts in 54 games
Per game: 6.0/2.6/1.0/0.8/0.4
Shooting: 48.5/33.3/72.0. TS% 59.4%
Per 36: 10.6/4.6/1.8/1.3/0.8.
WS/48 = 0.113; WS: 2.6; BPM -0.5.
ON/OFF: +3.5/+5.6 = -2.1. (Cavs +4.8).
Hart gives the best rebounding of the bunch. By a ton. The best playmaking outside of Caris (close, though). Best FG% despite shooting under 30% from deep (worst of the bunch). FT% is a touch higher than Ice/Caris at 73%.
And is a good defender. Of comparable size. Hart is listed at 6’5″ 215. Okoro 6’5″ 225. LeVert 6’6″ 205. Osman 6’7″ 230.
I still don’t like it. Contract wise, LeVert is the most comparable as they can both walk. But I think we need Caris’ scoring more than Hart’s rebounding and Caris is better from deep (37% to 29%). Only way it makes senseis if we think LeVert is gonna walk. Ice in the deal makes no sense. Upside + a better individual defender & 3pt shooter right now. Younger. Cheaper. And under control for longer. I think we need Cedi’s O more than Hart’s D & rebounding. Starting 3 guys who are under 30% from deep is not a recipe for… Read more »
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It was pretty lonely in October & November, but everyone is welcome.
But this is why you play him. It is the only was he is gonna get better. He is a little short for a SF, and we are SMALL on the wings if he starts, but boy is he looking better. Cedi is 27,almost 28. He can improve, but not by leaps & bounds like Okoro can.
And if Okoro did not improve, you could always go back to playing Caris & Cedi more & Wade as well. But if you don’t play him, you forfeit the possibility of him making the leap.
FWIW, back of napkin capology for next year.
7 guys with guaranteed $$: Garland $33.5, Mitchell $33.1, Allen $20, Okoro $8.9, Mobley $8.9, Rubio $6.7, Wade $5.7 = $116.8 mil-ish. The luxury tax is $162 mil.
Cedi is non-guaranteed at $6.7 and we have a team option on Stevens at $1.9. Assume keep Cedi and Llama (or an equivalently paid guy) & we are at $125.4 mil.
Let’s say the goal is to bring back LeVert & Love & stay under the luxury tax threshold so we can use the full MLE ($11 mil) to upgrade next year. Possible? The MLE would take us down to under $26. And we’d have to stay under $162 to get there. Really, the apron is at $156, so, $20 mil left. Say Levert costs $15 mil in year one. Under $5. That’s 11 guys. Even with vet min/rookie types at #12 & #13 (Neto, I. Mobley, Diop, 2nd rounder), that is at least $2 mil, if rookies). That is $3… Read more »
Conclusion: we might be able to bring back Caris & Love & stay under the tax, but to use the full MLE, we need to be under the apron. It’s close, but I do not think it is feasible unless Caris takes a haircut ($10-$12 mil) and Love signs for next to nothing (under $5 mil).
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ICE ” FROZE ” HIM// MORANT
Fedor tweeted that Morant was 2 of 9 for 6 points with Okoro guarding him.
My eye test has Okoro playing winning basketball. Our best perimeter defender, he’s an improving rebounder, his shooting stroke looks good, close to 80% from the line, moves without the ball, finishes strong. 21 years old. What’s not love?
22 now
Wiz down 2. Moreis misses a FT with 7 seconds left. Make it two.
Nets gonna win without KD, KI, Simmons, and Warren. That’s what you get when you count 9n the Wiz for help.
NICE JOB AS ALWAYS —–LEVERT OUT AGAIN TOMORROW // HAVE TO BELIEVE IT IS MORE DUE TO POTENTIAL TARDE AND NOT RISKING INJURY——-MEDIA SAYS CAVS “HOT ” AFTER JHART —-THAT IS A BIG NO IF IT STRAIGHT UP LEVRT FOR HIM // WE LOSE IN THAT TRADE —-THERE IS NO WAY/// REASON CEDI SHOULD EVER BE IN JB’S DOG HOUSE THE REST OF THE SEASON ——-AGAIN JASON // AND MYSELF AND OTHERS HAVE ADVOCATED IF CAVS WANT TO MAKE A “SMALL ” SPLASH —-NO RISK// POTENTIAL GOOD—IF NOT HIGH REWARD— DO THE REDDISH TRADE
I hope LeVert is not being held out due to trade talks. Lloyd reportedly said the Cavs wanted to extend him. However, if they are far apart on terms, it may be better to get something rathercthan have him walk. We have his Bird rights, so we COULD pay him whatever if we want him here badly enough.
Cam Thomas with a jumper answered by Monte Morris. Then Thomas with a hoop & harm dunk. 43 points for Thomas.
11 seconds left.
Wiz sat Beal & Kuzma rolled an ankle early. 1 point Wiz lead, under 1 minute left.
Good cap! I agree about Cedi. They are getting every dime and more out of him for that salary. And he has another year at basically the same cost.
Shockingly, Irving is out with calf soreness after requesting a trade. Simmons also out tonight.
Nice recap. “Hall of fame idiot Reggie Miller.” 😂😂😂
Ricky was amazing in the 4th, the first we’ve really seen of last season’s pre-injury Ricky. I have little doubt the national tv game added some juice to the Cavs, and I have even less doubt that going against an uber hyped dude like Morant added some juice to DG. One of his best games of the season. Cavs played really well all around, but to be fair, I believe the Grizz flight got in at 0400e or later due to icing conditions in Memphis, and no JJJ or Adams matters quite a bit. So it wasn’t an ideal situation… Read more »
Shockingly, Irving out tonight for the Nets. Must have hurt that calf asking for a trade. No Simmons either. With KD still out, that smells like a loss. If the Wiz do win in Brooklyn, a Cavs win in Indy (who got Haliburton back) would push them to 4th.
At the moment our rotation looks like:
Core 4: DG, DM, EM, JA
Core rotation: RR, CL, IO, CO, DW
Fringe rotation: LS, KL + RN (if RR resting)
Dressed but not playing: RL
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Injured: Windler
2 Way: IM, MD
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1 open roster spot
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Great job everyone. Keep up the great work. I still don’t think he should start, and Caris/Ice/Wade need to play as well, but I believe Osman should be firmly in the rotation. And has been. He IS 6th on the team in minutes played, after all. But I am not trading him. Keep Cedi. I don’t want to say I’m a convert on Cedi, but I was a heck of a lot more open to a trade in the past. He provides streaky but willing shooting and energy. On a reasonable deal. Like Ice, I like him more as a… Read more »