
Rebuilding the Cavs: Krazy Koby’s Trade Lot
2023-05-25Watching the NBA playoffs this season, it’s hard not to make a list of pieces the Cavs need to add or replace if they want to make it past the first round of the playoffs next season. The problem I have is that I don’t trust their GM to make the right changes, nor the coach to trust the players Koby adds.
It’s a weird dichotomy with Cleveland: find guys who would actually help the Cavs, and who JB would actually play consistently. It’s not unlike scanning the used car sites then arguing with your spouse over the need for third row seating with every roster building decision. So welcome to our multi-part series on the Cavs’ off-season options that the Cleveland front office will studiously ignore.
It is fun, though, to imagine Koby in a giant kowboy hat hawking player contracts like used cars. If you’ve got a sedan that can rebound, shoot threes, or defend the wing, push, pull, or tow your trade-in on down to Cleveland and make an offer on some of these late model bargains! We’ve got low low mileage options like Cedi Osman, Jarrett Allen, and Isaac Okoro, ready to drive off the lot and down your lane! (Or to park in the corner all game.)
The 2017 model year Cedi Osman has a $6.7 million 2023-2024 salary that becomes guaranteed on June 29. At first glance, Cedi’s salary is a bargain for a bench wing in his prime capable of averaging double digits. Lord knows the Cavs need wings; bringing back a guy who can play at a replacement level and is a three level scorer seems like a no-brainer. But with a service department that started Llama Stevens 21 games to Cedi’s two, it’s a fair question to ask: “Why keep Cedi if the coach won’t play him?” and also, maybe Cedi deserves to go to a team that believes in him (#FreeCedi).
The Cavs have four options with Osman: guarantee his 23-24 salary and bring him back, guarantee his 23-24 salary and trade him, don’t guarantee his salary and release him, or – most intriguingly – trade him before the end of the season and let the team who receives him release him. Why would either team do that? The Cavs could add a player under contract for next season while the receiving team could clear their books. This would also let the Cavs add salary before using any of their exceptions.
So if the Cavs are adding players, what do they need? I contend the Cavs need either a stretch 4-5 or a stretch 3-4 who can play the power forward when Mobley moves to center, or, preferably, both. How about someone who can play five positions?
Slo-mo isn’t sexy, and he reportedly clashed with teammates which finally blew up with an in-game altercation with teammate Rudy Gobert, who punched Kyle in the chest after he told Rudy to ‘shut the f— up, b—-.’ I mean sign me up for that guy right now. I would have killed for someone to challenge Jarrett Allen like that. The Cavs could use a vet who terrifies their young guys and plays with anger. Roy Kent, anyone?
Anderson fills several holes on the team as well. He’s an elite defender who ranks in the top 20% for steals and blocks. He’s a solid rebounder, who can literally play and guard every position on the court (though shooting guard is a stretch). Slo-mo isn’t a prolific three point shooter, but he’s not a guy you have to hide in the corner either. He shot 41% from deep last year, on 1.5 attempts a game, and two seasons ago hit 36% on 3.8 attempts. Yeah, his release is (sometimes painfully) slow, but if he actually forces teams to guard him from the corner, I can live with it. Also, he’s a guy who JB would trust with starter’s minutes. Here’s highlights from a random game.
Kyle’s good enough that the Cavs might have to add more to make that deal work, and that leads to looking at Cleveland’s embarrassingly bare-ass lot of tradeable assets. It’s also a bit like trading a sexy European coupe for a very utilitarian cargo van, but if Cleveland could pull it off, it would be totally worth it as opposed to letting Cedi drive off the lot.
Other interesting players who fit that salary slot and might be available include Washington’s Delon Wright (steal master), San Antonio’s Zach Collins (playable third big), Brooklyn’s Royce O’Neal (Spida’s three point shooting best friend), Dallas’ Maxi Kleber and/or Reggie Bullock (😬) , the Clippers’ Robert Covington (Eli’s stretch big of choice) and pretty much anyone making 4-11 million.
The other big decision is what to do with the Jarrett Allen. Allen had a brutal series against the Kicks, and likely his value is at an all-time low, but it’s still better than Okoro’s. Also, consider that the list of teams who could use a $20 mil vertical rim threat and defender is surprisingly short. A lot of teams already have that guy, but there are a few who dont. Dallas, Houston, Portland, and the Suns come to mind. All four are looking to significantly improve their rosters going into next season, and frankly from a contract value standpoint, Jarrett Allen makes a lot more sense than DeAndre Ayton. Let’s look at some options for moving Allen with the goal of returning shooting and rebounding.
In this scenario the Cavs move Allen for Christian Wood, a very good offensive player and someone who has been a feckless defender at best. But the dude racks up counting stats like a fiend.
Wood also annoyed and irritated his teammates and coaches in Houston and Dallas. That being said, there’s a lot of annoying teammates and coaches in Houston and Dallas, and more importantly, what’s the point of having a culture setting defensive minded coach if he can’t make a mediocre defender and a locker room shit-ass… better?
The Cavs could also move Allen for Tim Hardaway Junior and one of Kleber or Powell, but I doubt Dallas wants to move THJ. They don’t have a ton of shooting as it is.
Nimble SUV for a Bosnian box truck, anyone? Here the Cavs move the switchable defender and vertical threat, Allen, for a more ground bound Jusef Nurkic, who can defensive rebound with the best of them, has range out to the three, and sets better screens. What the Cavs lose in this trade defensively, they gain in offense (marginally). For the difference in talent, the Cavs get a first rounder for their trouble, that they could hopefully flip for another upgrade.
Assuming the Rockets sign Harden, they’re going to need more pros. Enter Jarrett Allen. Here, Houston gives up three assets to trade Allen into cap space, the Clippers help the Cavs fill their hole at center, and they get Roco off their books. As deep as Steve Ballmer is in the luxury tax, I’m sure the Clips will be looking for a way to move him. For roster spots, Kenyon Martin Jr. takes Lamar Stevens’ spot, while Tari Eason gives Mobley a power forward that much better complements Evan’s skillset. The Cavs would still likely have to add another big in the free agent market.
Finally, given that the Cavs are “dangling” the human equivalent of a muscle car, Isaac Okoro, to try to “improve their roster.” Who could use a good defensive wing who’s just 22 and has every potential to keep improving on offense? I still say that theoretical Isaac Okoro is still better than anyone they could actually get for Okoro. I’d rather roll the dice on another year of development than move him. I mean the much maligned move to start Okoro at the three against the Knicks was not nearly as bad as many would tell you. Garland, Mitchell, Okoro, Mobley, and Allen were Cleveland’s third most used lineup in the playoffs and had a net rating of 13.3 in 22 minutes. In the regular season, it was +6.9 with a true shooting over 60. The dude’s about to break out. (I will keep saying this till he’s 35).
But if Koby were to move Ice…
Everybody gets a team option! The Cavs get Alec Burks to split time at the three with Caris. Alec’s a knockdown shooter now,l and a very refined offensive player who doesn’t kill you on D. Isaiah Stewart is likely the odd man out in Detroit’s attempt to acquire all the Association’s busted big men instead of playing Jalen Duren. Stewart would do well in The Land as a third big who can rebound, hit the occasional three, block some shots, and goon it up a bit. Lamar’s in there to make the salaries work.
I know. This one is pie-in-the-sky BS. I mean Okoro would help Charlotte, giving them a real defensive wing that can run in transition with LaMelo. But there’s no way they’re eating Rubio’s contract. Especially in a sign-and trade, even if he would be the perfect mentor for LaMelo. Personally, I know Ricky’s gonna be just fine next season, but if you did want to do a deal with Charlotte, it would have to be dumb. They only do dumb trades. You could do worse, though, than adding a decent stretch four in PJ Washington and a gunner who really broke out this last season in Svi.
“You wanna get nuts? Let’s get nuts.” if you’ve been watching the playoffs, you know by now that Michael Keaton reprised his role as Batman for the new Flash movie. Yay, we’re resurrecting the multi-verse yet again! But the fun thing about the line featured in all the trailers is that he stole it from a famous Seinfeld episode, which stole it 1989’s Batman, so it’s all come full circle, just like these dopey trades.
The first Bulls trade brings Javonte Green on a sign and trade: a quality bench wing. It also adds our old pal ‘Dre Drummond (who solves defensive rebounding problems, and adds so many others). Finally, it adds DJJr, an athletic if undersized wing who got all the way up to 34% on triples, when he was absolutely wide open last year. The Bulls make the move to clear salary and add a young prospect, and the Cavs do it to add rebounding and wings who are no better than the one the Cavs are giving up.
Last and certainly least is the DeMar DeRozan sell your frickin’ soul, four Chevys for a Caddytrade. Man he would annoy me in a Cavs uni: all the isos, the grifting, the flops. Even though these older Cadillacs have a terrible resale and get shitty mileage, the DeRozan has been a reliable scorer and defender, even if his game is ugly and his salary is a bear. Ricky gives the Bulls an emergency point guard and everyone else is salary.
The options aren’t great here. The Cavs will probably end up hanging onto to their fleet of Cedi, Allen, and Ice but who knows? I, for one, wanna start getting nuts. Let’s start kicking tires all over The Association. Gimme your ideas.
Next up, we look at the Cavs’ ability to add free agents, and who they could sign at the wing. Stay tuned and Go Cavs.
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Nice piece! Thanks for publishing! Love the Keaton reference and proposals. I would love a meta analysis of the season and trends to look forward to next year. A lot of folks seem to believe the cap is making a big difference in how fo’s build and plan. If it’s the end of superteams, what’s the new model? If teams can’t rely on their stars to get them all the way and the organization matters more, how does that change how things are valued? Will be really interesting in the next few years
Embiid’s MVP might be the most fraudulent since Robinson’s.
Oscar?
and, what was that Canadian guy’s name who won two in a row instead of LeBron?
It was legit. Embiid had a better season by a hair and a worse playoffs (during which he was hurt). Jokic is on another level now but it’s not a playoff award.
Fraudulent is DRose or Nash or a narrative-based MVP like if Booker or Tatum had won a “best player on the best RS team MVP” or something. Embiid was legitimately great
Jokic just too damned good.
I’m baffled why the Heat didn’t start love on Jokic here. Feel like they’re too small.
Love doesn’t solve that problem, nor does anyone else on the Heat roster really. There isn’t really quality positional size in Miami at 4-5 at all.
He’s a short armed PF who can’t move his feet and is smaller than Denver’s starting small forward.
the theory that big guys are now irrelevant didn’t last long.
sure glad Koby wasn’t listening to the CtB’ers who want to dump JA
Allen and Mobley each being able to switch defensively is also really underrated. I think we’d have put in a nice showing against the Heat
Heat so small
Nice dominant stamp by Denver.
The Joker just plowed over Zeller for that basket 😂
Bam getting lots of easy shots
Aaron Gordon is eating Vincent
ESPN’s pop up showing the distance every time a three is put up… some real dumb shit.
Nuggets in 6
I knew there was a reason to dislike Josh Hart!
absolute sicko. relegate that man
Fedors column is…pretty much spot on. With a generational big in Mobley and a super skilled PG like DG plus the best SG in the league, I like our chances.
Nuff said. This thing could go either way easy. Can’t wait for the off-season trades / FA.
aldridge on the same, good shit, although it applies to (hurk) Boston:
(DA is right on that this stuff is harder than it looks and that the FOs are pros generally)
haha! this is a perfect description of disgruntled around here!
it is that way everywhere, and usually worse than in Cleveland: there is a fraction of fans that bitch, bitch, bitch no matter what happens.
Lordacious. Theres a middle ground between drivetime radio and bloggers who know ball. The smartest basketball analyst I’ve read is Ben Werth who’s an opera singer. This escalation of basketball coaches to these unassailable savants who can’t be criticized by competent professionals is some “infallibility of the clergy” level BS. Jacob Rosen went from Cavs Twitter to head of analytics for the Grizzlies. No one in basketball is unassailable from a criticism standpoint. This is not freaking rocket science. PLAY GUYS WHO CAN SHOOT is not some Mensa level analysis. I mean Christ. People who understand math were saying for… Read more »
Also, criticism and pointing out areas for improvement is not “bitching.”
there is plenty to criticize the coach for.
but most of the critics also are non stop on the GM and also want to dump JA.
’nuff said.
My argument is generally that bloggers miss on the human element quite a bit in favor of technical solutions and tinkering and idea stuff in service of pet theories. Basketball is situational and relational: Nate is saying GET SHOOTERS now, but the 2018 team was heavy on shooters but light on creation so got run. This last offseason the issue was finding playmaking outside of Garland. This next offseason is shooting. Next offseason it’ll be something else. Conventional wisdom has merit more often than not as it is the sum of collective experience, which is why the exceptions to it… Read more »
Are you just making shit up about people in this blog now?
I’m a subscriber to all Werthian takes. Dude is next level.
I wouldn’t give up on Allen just because he had a subpar series against New York. During the ’22-’23 regular season, Cavs on the road against teams with .600+ records at home: Cavs outscored opponents 117-106 per 48 minutes with Allen on and Mobley off (134 minutes total); Opponents outscored Cavs 113-101 per 48 minutes with Mobley on and Allen off (230 minutes total); and on the road against teams with .500-.600 records at home: Cavs outscored opponents 113-110 per 48 min w/Allen on, Mobley off (157 min total); Opponents outscored Cavs 106-105 per 48 min w/Mobley on, Allen off… Read more »
I wouldn’t give up on him either. But I’d maybe change the lineups, specifically in the playoffs, to stretch the floor.
Having shooty 4 who is a non-disaster on D would help. Lamar is so close to being that guy y
😂😂😂
Yeah you right. Being a Cavs fan = fuck our own players. That seems smart and good
Like y’all talk about wanting O’Neal or whoever-those dudes were Lamar / Wade / Brobley types at first and had to grow
Maybe if you pour water on Llama and give him sunlight he’ll grow?
He’s an end of the bench guy that got starter minutes intermittently during the regular season, didn’t play in the playoffs, and now he’s gonna be our stretch 4, despite not being a good shooter. Maybe you know something I don’t know? 😂
He seems like he’s ready and he’s not scared of the moment. But maybe it’s Diakate or Wade then
Problem being Lamar is not at all close to being a decent shooter. If he was, he might be a solution. Unfortunately he has a very long ways to go to be even an average shooter at any real consistency or volume.
afraid you are right.
we have several guys that **might** get pretty good, but it is a long shot.
giving up on Allen was crazy talk. doubt if anyone listens.
I would love to see Miami lose 4 straight (screw Riley!). But I think they might win a game or two. If Miami wins 3 or 4, Jimmy B will be moving up the ATG list.
My over/under is Denver in 5.5.
I will bet conservatively: Denver in 6.
Denver in 5 at most.
Anyone up for putting a finals prediction in print?
Get ’em in before Thursday at 8:30.
I will go first.
Dubs Bob Myers stepping down.
One of the most overrated front office dudes of his generation. Dubs could won at least ast one more championship if he hadn’t royally screwed up the draft picks that became Kuminga and Wiseman.
you mean screwed up by drafting them?
Correct.
that is a tuff standard. most teams screw up plenty of draft picks.
Which is why they should have traded those picks for proven players.
I’m not sure a rookie could have been decent with the Ws. It’s such a hard system. But the picks being cheeks were also bad!
That’s exactly my point. See above.
Who were the gettable targets? We kept hearing about Beal…I wonder if they had enough for KAT or someone like Siakam
Wonder if PHX would do Smart, Horford and a random goof or two (Pritchard? Kornet?) for Ayton.
Why would you want Ayton? What does he give you that Williams doesn’t?
For twice the price?
Yeah you have to do something with Time Lord there. But he is just a guy and glass to boot
He’s a more skilled player. Williams is limited, Ayton has more talent.
https://twitter.com/JNCOGUY/status/1663551586499694598?s=20
love it!
oh brother that guy stinks
Go Nuggets! I still hate the Heat!
Also Jimmy Floppettes will earn plenty of FTs in this series!
totally agree. hate the Celts more than the Heat, but I don’t hate the Nuggets at all (unless that dork John Elway runs around on the floor)
Lesson of this series: keep the core together and a good culture of high character guys can be supplemented by role players who you can find for minimal assets
The lesson isn’t continuity at all. In Miami’s case: it’s change until you find something that works. If a team figures you out, change again. Miami massively adjusted its rotations in a way that fit what was happening on the court, and executed a clearly defined plans that changed often. Duncan Robinson was buried and came back and contributed. Highsmith gave them valuable minutes at center when Love and Zeller were no longer effective. Jimmy changed up his footwork for God’s sake. Can you honestly tell me JB could have and would have made the adjustments Spo and his staff… Read more »
this is probably true. I don’t think anybody regards JB as being good at putting the most effective five on the floor depending on situation.
but it does not negate Mrsteal’s point.
Somewhat fair, I guess.
Spo did an absolutely spectacular HOF job… …after ten years with the same organization and multiple faceplants. He earned a license to experiment / fail, but it was the organization’s patience that gave him the chance to do so. Same shit with Jimmy, though it was four or five years. You can’t adjust and experiment when you are on a short leash and you know any failed experiment (such as changing the fifth starter) will lead to a job change. You instead coach not to lose. the key decision here by Miami was not anything in 2023. it was sticking… Read more »
I’ll take 2010 Spo vs any year of JB!
Hindsight 20/20 man. They are pretty close to the same guy!
Good defensive team, 50 wins (well, 47 for Spo), a playoff wipeout…
…I’m also a little scared of the dudes who went with Blatt, Lue and Beilen going back to the coach market. We’ve either had COY guys or ridiculous disasters. I really don’t want a Beilen.
Hilarious.
we just need to get the best coach in the league while he is young and goofy! should be easy! no chance of mistakes!
Spo was 4-8 in his first two postseason appearances
TBF, it’s a lot easier to stick with your coach when you made the bubble championship and then your team got decimated by injuries in the following meat grinder season. No one blamed Spo for 2021. And, of course the decisions in 2023 mattered: Kevin Love; Benching Oladipo; Strus, Martin, Vincent’s development; managing Lowry… Also, WTF are you talking about with Milwaukee “chaos?” The “chaos” happened after they lost, mainly due to Middleton’s injury.
MIL has chaos now is what I’m saying. As do Boston and Philly. Maybe it will all be fine in 24.
i don’t know if JB is the dude. I know if you fired Spo when he was a goofy in the 2010s none of this happens
Just wow.
You don’t think there was cause to fire Spo at any point when he was young? That’s some real prisoner of the moment stuff.
No. Always thought he was one of the best.
What did he do in the 08 or 09 playoffs that had you feeling that way when he lost in the first round?
Just saw Fedor’s latest and now I am wondering if Mrsteal is his handle on CtB.
Definitely feels like Korby’s burner account!
The organization did a good job bro! With no pick higher than 3, I thought we’d be in 2011-14 hell forever! (without The Return we aren’t a playoff team until 16 max) But we aren’t. That’s really fuckin good
There are SO MANY ways to fuck up a rebuild. We didn’t do those
the Cavs are in a good position to sit back and don’t do anything that turns out to be dumb.
remains to be seen how the DM trade will look long term. obviously not a case of “sit back and don’t …”. it was a gamble to try to speed up the process. time will tell.
I was stressing it but then I realized worse case is we trade him and take a second shot with DG and Mobley.
sure, there are plenty of ways that might work out, some better than others.
No argument from me, man – I’m just messing 😁. I have argued for continuity (for the most part, there could be some bench trimming) as well. I think Cavs are doing ok. Next season will tell a tale.
right.
also right about bench trimming. need to take some hard looks and try to predict who can take a big step up, and who can’t. developing these guys does not appear to be a strength for JB.
My gut is that Lamar and Dean if healthy could. Okoro shows signs too. But I would welcome a few more guys: the price paid for Rui/KCP and others suggests that we can get some guys
sure … but you gotta get the right guys. Rui/KCP are an example of smart moves, apparently other teams didn’t see that.
You know ball
it is the same thing that anyone with any sense would say.
bottom line: there is a fraction of sports fans everywhere who constantly scream about how dumb the team is without having any idea how to do anything better. right now you can bet that for 28 NBA teams, these people are going off like Marjorie Taylor Greene. goes with the territory.
True. Dumb is staying bad for a LONG time like PHX and Sacto. We are above average for sure but we are victims of our own success to a degree. And the fact that our guys like DG, Evan and 71DM do SO many high level basketball things also elevated expectations.
Dumbest take of the year. Criticizing the FO/coaching earns us in the likes of MTG. I think you sound more like her, than the folks criticizing the FO/coaching. And criticism doesn’t automatically mean we would do better. We aren’t asking to be in that position. We just want someone more qualified.
No y’all just want 90th percentile outcomes (go from 22 wins to conference semis in two years, be as good as Spo in your second series, do what the Heat does, never make any bad choices on bench guys or old veterans) and if not achieved burn it down. Wildly silly
It’s like the yahoos who pick back through every draft pick and ponder how good their team could be if they nailed every draft pick.
No. Teams miss. Every team misses. The Cavs hit more than they miss and they hit more than most and more often than most. You don’t want “more qualified” you want “never misses” but the teams you stan for their good moves today were fucking up yesterday.
Now you’re conflating the draft with coaching/management.
No, I’m saying look at ALL front office decisions as part of the quality of the office! Every front office makes its shares of mistakes. We make fewer than most.
It’s okay to move on from the coach. JB was great installing the defensive culture. I don’t have confidence he can do much else (like offensive X’s and O’s) based on his past experiences. I think we’re pretty much delaying the inevitable IMO.
Maybe! But the second time around is where you’d expect the core and coach to make a leap, too. I was 50/50 on it when we lost and seeing every other coach in the East fail besides Spo gives me pause that a replacement would be much better.
So might as well lean in for a year
it is easy to switch coaches and get someone worse.
the future is hard predict.
I just wanted to compete in a playoff series and possibly win it, since we were favorites to do so. But go ahead and accelerate it to me demanding Spo. I’ll take Spo-lite.
…two years after being at the top of the lottery?? We were favorites because of a bunch of good breaks that included three contending teams being badly coached and imploding (TOR and ATL and BKN). The most likely outcome at the beginning of the year was a non play in appearance in which we were the 5-6 seed and got run by one of the top 3 or Brooklyn. We outkicked our coverage overall. It sucks that the Knicks came out of nowhere to beat us, but we learned more than we would have getting aced by a much better… Read more »
haha.
Jimmy as MVP for the series is fine, and he played well tonight, but Caleb Martin had himself a Game 7! Was huge in Games 2 and 6 also.
8 seed going to finals.. there is a lesson to be learned..
And a 1 seed
let me know when cavs get the one seed bro.. you will likely have false teeth and be wearing shoes with velcro ties
Makes sense
Continuity and patience. Neither Finals team fired their coach or turned the whole roster after a bad playoff loss
Miami has the best coach in the association and did a lot of crazy stuff like going super small that the Cavs’ coach would never have done. Miami got unbelievably lucky that the three point variance swung their way and that Jason Tatum got hurt. Also, both Finals teams are LOADED with guys who can shoot threes. Both teams are running 4 and 5 out offenses throughout the entire game, something the Cavs haven’t been able to do from a personnel or execution standpoint. Mami’s wings and guards were killing it on box-outs after the first quarter. You’re taking absolutely… Read more »
recall the good old days of everyone being on the “get rid of Spo, he is an idiot” bandwagon.
Early on as a coach with much more lofty expectations, as those teams were heavily favorites. And I do t recall that being a thing in C: tb!
Edit “don’t recall”
it was mostly a thing with Miami blogs. just like JB is mostly a thing with Cavs blogs. nobody cares about some other team’s coach.
right????
and in any event, they switched up over a few years – but all that personnel and adding shooting was AFTER Spo had a tragic playoffs in 2020-21.
If Spo doesn’t have that rope, he doesn’t take a chance on Vincent and Strus and Martin, he sticks with Dragic and Iggy and Dipo or some shit.
look what each Finals team did after their sweeps in 2020-21.
no panic. no junking the whole philosophy to match the teams that beat them OR trading All-Stars. staying the course and building.
This is a ridiculous comparison. Miami kept Spo, who has coached his team to multiple finals, and then got crushed by injuries and the meat grinder season after the bubble run. Cleveland kept JB, who who is 2-11 in post-season appearances. This is some daffy mental gymnastics.
Spo was 4-8 in his first two post seasons: JB got swept by the Ws, which I guess you could hang those four losses on coaching if you are a sicko
Dude. He was a 5th seed that got eliminated in 7 games by a better hawks team in his first season. Then he got beat by the dominant Boston team in his second post season. There is no substantive comparison between JB and Spo. The super team didn’t like him because he pushed them and when has lbj ever really liked a coach in his prime when the coach tried to actually manage the players.
I also wouldn’t fault him for 2011. That was LBJ completely shelling up and having his most scared/worst series ever against the mavs.
Please point to Spo being a high level tactician in those serieses
Too long ago for me to remember specifics. Please point to egregious tactical errors.
the whole point with Spo is that a lot of Miami fans hated him at first (much like some here) and now he is regarded as great.
No one says JB will follow the same trajectory, just that some people bitch about the coach all the time.
I think based off three years of watching the same issues in the regular season and the playoffs this year is enough to get a sense of who JB is. He isn’t a first time head coach like Spolestra was either. He had three years head coaching prior to the cavs too. I don’t think he is a guy that will suddenly figure it out. Nothing gives me any notion or hope of that.
reasonable assessment. my take is that he better show something this year.
(also Denver kept Malone who had a much more checkered resume but go off)
Anyways I’m not even caping for JB, I’m just saying that he’s earned a year and he’s not really that rough for a young coach in his first few playoffs, even the elite coaches get crunched at first. Next year is the acid test.
He’ll be just as shitty then. Fail faster.
That philosophy sucks.
come on Nate, you sound like Buck.
JB probably cannot get to the ecf. He will be outmaneuvered by a better coach in earlier rounds of the playoffs.
he’ll get a year, but I think he might be dead already if we don’t get off to an even better start next year. I don’t know how I feel about JB — think regular season is good, playoffs bad, but the first time is always hardest. If he stinks again next year, he’s done, but “fire the coach” is always the Joe Fan reaction, and I am going to be super curious to see how it works out for MIL / PHL, since it didn’t work out for Boston, although they had absolutely no choice re: Ime. I do… Read more »
Isn’t he the guy who hired Beilein?
Yes! The guy after JB might be ass!
pretty sure Dan hired Beilein. Dan was always trying to get UM and MSU guys for the Cavs.
Dan was pretty much an activist owner prior to his stroke. the all sports record of activist owners is somewhere between zero and poop.
the kay felder of coaches
Ugh. Point is JB was not good but I’m not sure he’s more not good than a similar young goofy of a coach.
My reaction isn’t based just on these playoffs. There have been patterns for his entire tenure that indicate he isn’t a high level tactician and likely will never be.
Imagine possibly giving $300 mill to a dude who literally can’t dribble…
The boos…..what a crowd.
So passionate…
boston is tough.. i lived there from ’79-’82.. the stuff i heard in the old garden would make an old hooker blush
hoops tv will be fun the next few days.. roasted celtic on a stick