Podcap: Portland 103, Cleveland 95 (or, The Cookies Crumbl)
2023-12-01This was the kind of loss that gets coaches fired. Cleveland folded to a tanking team at home, Thursday night, in a game they led by as many as 16 in the first half, and 14 in the third quarter. Unable to handle success, the Cavs watched successive leads evaporate, while playing at a snail’s pace. A 25-7 run between the third and fourth quarters saw the (now) 6-12 Blazers go up six to start the fourth. Boos filled the arena at one point vefotrnaveveland clawed it back to a tie. Then Cleveland gave it back with a five minute scoreless stretch that fueled a 12-0 Portland run putting them up 95-83 with 6:09 remaining. Turnovers, missed shots, and shitty defense punctuated an absolutely brutal fourth quarter that led to more than a little soul searching after.
Darius Garland composed yet another mistake filled incongruity: 15/4/8 on 18 shots with eight giveaways. Shaedon e 3got anything he wanted all night for the Blazers putting up a 29/10/5 line with just 15 shots. The dude wore Cavalier defenders like a cape. In a game where John Blair Bickerstaff inexplicably played an eight man rotation that lacked sustained energy, Jabari Walker, Duop Reath, and Matisse Thybull anchored the Blazers’ bench for their nine man rotation,. The Trailblazer subs absolutely eviscerated Caris Levert, Isaac Okoro, and Georges Niang who went 16/3/4 off the bench and grabbed just one defensive rebound in almost 60 combined minutes compared to the Blazers’ 31/17/10 bench line.
Even more inexplicably, Evan Mobley dropped 20/7/3 with two steals and played five fewer minutes than Jarrett Allen. Allen left the arena before media availability postgame – presumably to go shit, because he didn’t give one during the game. I’d like to say it was one of the worst coached and played games in a long time for Cleveland that left a lot of guys looking in the mirror. Unfortunately the Cavs dropped a 32 point deuce in Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse against Miami just eight days earlier.
The post game presser from coach B was delayed due to an extended discussion between the coach and his players after the game. After an extended period where we weren’t sure JB would come out. He did and a morbid two minutes with the media ensued.
This was all especially galling coming off one of the Cavs’ best wire-to-wire wins, Tuesday against Atlanta. Full of righteous indignation, Nate Smith and Chris Francis trudged into the podcast booth to write a sternly worded letter (podcast) to the Cavalier organization with one conclusion: this team isn’t going anywhere with J.B. Bickerstaff as its head coach.
The gents detailed their list of grievances: a near decade long inability to coach NBA offense from this millennium, an insistence on giving minutes to and removing competition from players who he seems to like but simply aren’t good, a maddening inability to make good tactical and strategic decisions, a penchant for running guys into the ground and playing short rotations, and most damning of late – an inability to get consistent effort from his players.
The last one may not be his fault. Eventually, everyone gets tired of the voice in the locker room, and sometimes teams just need a new one. That seems to be the consensus in the podcast booth and the fan base at large as even the most ride-or-die Cavs fans are turning on him. I hope it doesn’t affect J.B.’s cookies.
Nate and Chris discussed the interim and longer term options for Cleveland, and whether Koby deserves to stay too. They discussed the future of Donovan Mitchell in a Cavs uniform, the struggles of Darius Garland, re-litigate the Lauri Markkanen trade, and try to find some solace in their pod-ending pitches. There isn’t a lot of positivity here, but there is entertainment and humor in vitriol.
Cleveland takes on Detroit, Saturday for what could be Bojan Bogdanovich’s first game of the season The Pistons just posted a winless November, and it’s safe to assume that the wine and gold will be playing for J.B.’s job, if he still has it by then. It should make for an interesting night.
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LT uppish
Evan averaging a career high in everything…but it’s like 17/11/2 on 57% shooting.
It’s encouraging but not enough. Feed him.
Forgot Dwayne Casey was around.
if the Cavs got any cahones they better trounce the Pistons tonight. if they don’t it is time to say bye to JB.
GOOD POINTS AS USUAL MR STEAL—-AS I POSTED EARLIER—I ENJOY YOUR POST—-YOUR OPEN MIND FORCES ME TO REVIEW MY SOMETIMES CLOSE MIND ———— ARE YOU SURE YOU ARENT “ MALE CLONE OF THE MRS NOMAD 👍😀🙏🍺🤪
THE MAGIC WHO ARE 9-1 /LAST 10 GAMES USE A SOLID 9-10 MAN ROTATION JB TOO STUBBORN OR IT IS TOO COMPLEX FOR HIM OR HE DOESNT TRUST YOUNGER PLAYERS————-IF YOU DONT PLAY THEM HOW CAN THEY GAIN TRUST
JB’s short rotations through thick and thin have always been my main complaint about him. Why in the world does he think that is a good idea?
Our ninth and tenth guys sucked!
This year they don’t, but for now with injuries it’s really complicated bc the top 8 need game reps together with new roles and guys in and out.
Maybe you expand it now so Ty and Wade have a sense of what their minutes will look like
13-14 warriors season went well until the playoffs. We had that same year last year…pretty much exactly. We failed to move on from JB whereas they brought in a better voice the next year. Been saying this about JB for several seasons but expected him to be gone after the ridiculous showing in the post season the last 2 tries. The horses are in place to be competitive for a title not the freaking playoffs. Its criminal watching us play better without one of the two small guards but struggle when we have them just cuz JB cant handle anything… Read more »
They need to fire Altman too but not firing JB earlier.
This is stupid: “fire everyone who doesn’t hit every transaction” is a crazy standard. Koby has way more hits than misses. And if he hit on every pick and transaction we are still about a 50-54 win team and a first round out last year tbh. We need a scheme with more movement and pace and players who are willing to execute it well together. The execution and cohesion is wildly inconsistent but you see the scheme itself can work when they are locked in, crisp and running it. There’s no great answer to this, but “fire everyone they suck… Read more »
not firing JB is probably Dan’s call, and I doubt if he will fire himself.
I think Koby is better than average, certainly better than any Cavs GM I can remember.
Our GMs have historically been dogshit from the.Stepien Rule through the Ferry trade to Fat Shaq to the Kyrie trade. Griff and Koby are generally the exceptions (notwithstanding the damn Kyrie trade for Koby)
all true, but knowing who will be a really good coach is the hard part.
It’s brutally hard and totally situational (how many COTYs are gone in 2-3 years).
MAN CAN WE EVER GET THE ENTIRE TEAM HEALTHY—— SHOULD MEAN SOME CPJ MINUTES
MY COLLEGE COACH PREACHED. “ THERE ARE 2 REASONS WHY PLAYERS DONT DO THINGS—— THEY REFUSE// STUBBORN OR THEY CAN T DO TO LACK OF SKILL/ TALENT” —- CAVS PLAYERS // TEAM NEED TO FIGURE WHAT CATEGORIES THEY FALL IN
The other guys get paid too
LeVert is out tomorrow
Nice: CPJ minutes
Wiseman is the third big coming off the bench for Detroit. He’s awful.
I don’t understand it at all.
THE ANSWER IS YES —- WE ALSO LIKE/DESERVE AN HONEST EFFORT EVERY GAME- LAST NIGHT WAS A SH_T FEST AND RUINED A PERFECT NIGHT WITH THE MRS NOMAD ——MR STEAL I HAVE ALWAYS// AND WILL CONTINUE TO ENJOY YOUR POSTS —- YOU BRING MUCH INSIGHT/ KNOWLEDGE/ OPEN MINDNESS TO CTB 👍🍺🙏
Yeah, I hear you. I guess I think you can give an honest effort and suck or just be in a funk. Baseball players and coaches slump and play their way out of it without fans flipping out, why not NBA guys. Been a myth since Kareem that they “don’t try” … You try dragging Walton and Lanier down the court for 82 games…” I’m just happy to see Spida playing the best ball of his career, doing amazing, and the Cavs in the playoffs. We don’t have to win a championship to have a fun and good season (and… Read more »
This team feels like basketball purgatory. I can’t get real excited about small guard play unless it comes with contending for something beyond the playin or first round. Perimeter NBA seems pretty boring as a game now. But I realize I am probably in the minority and most people like the flash and glam of the no defense, four steps, no contact, chuck threes nba of today.
I often wonder, reading these comments, if y’all even like watching Donovan and Darius play basketball.
Sure. Every 3 to 5 games when one of them isn’t hurt or they don’t have more turnovers than points scored by half time.
Miserable
Lol I’m just messing. I don’t really care, basketball is entertainment. But to that point, a lot of games have been a slog to watch this season.
GET RID OF JONES —- FREE UP A ROSTER SPOT —FILL IT WITH ELDER
HAVE TO AGREE—- SPIDA IS NOT RESIGNING—- PUT FEELERS OUT—-NO PANIC TRADE—— LET THE GM ‘S LINE UP —— GET THE “ GRANDFATHER “ CHOICE// TRADE 👍
They should “can” both Korby and JB!
I’d include anyone on this team in a trade – for the right player. There’s no untouchables.
And I’d trade Mitchell. I don’t think he’s resigning.
Trade Mitchell to Brooklyn.
Mobley is untouchable
Probably Garland is too. Couldn’t see something like Garland to CHI for DDR and LaVine
I’m good with not playing Damien Jones. He stinks!
COULD BE JB ‘S LAST GAME TOMORROW IF WE LOSE TO THE PISTONS ——-GO PISTONS ( SARCASM) 🤪
JB IS A GOOD “ BENCH // LOCKERROOM COACH/ KEEPING POSITIVE MORALE/ HE LACKS THE “ STATEGIC X-O ‘ S PART OF THE GAME———-“ TiME FOR ANOTHER VOICE 👍🤬
IAM A HUGE SPIDA SUPPORTER—- JUST WONDERING IF WE DIDNT “ PUSH THE ENVELOPE “ TOO SOON// POST LEBRON TO PROVE WE CAN GET PlAYOFFS WITHOUT HIM —-JUST MY OPINION
THE CAVS DO NOT HAVE THAT “ KILLER INSTINCT “ TO STOMP ON THE HEAD // BURY TEAM WHEN THE OPPORTUNITY IS THERE
Nope.
YES ON BOTH THE “ WINE AND THE MRS NOMAD “ 👍👍———WINE WAS GOOD— THE MRS NOMAD WAS “ FINE “ 👍🍷🤪👺
We have had an infrastructural problem with this team for 2 years, and that is that we have two small guards who aren’t plus defenders. It’s really difficult for any team to overcome this and I believe the last team to win with two small guards is the 1990 Pistons. JB isn’t a great coach, so he needs to go, but we also need to trade Mitchell for a normal sized 2. Someone like a Mikhal Bridges. It fully unlocks DG at PG and we now have actual size in the backcourt. This team goes nowhere until they trade one… Read more »
Yep.
Can cross the trade bridge when we come to it. Right now there’s not a good trade for DM that won’t also be there in the summer (or that we can do-flipping DM for Bridges 1/3 of the way through the season won’t happen) – teams are just gonna make trash offers
The 9-1 start last year + the possibility of Movley on O + Mitchell playing out of his mind gave me hope for this core group.
But I just don’t see it. Neither guard defends well. Neither big can shoot. We turn it over too much for a team where the two guards are your best players & don’t rebound well enough for a team with 2 non-shooting bigs. And we still don’t have a good player in the 6’6″ to 6’9″ range.
Garland sucks. He turns the ball over too much to be a good PG and not an efgicient enough scoree to make up for it and his crappy D.
This dangerously close to the reset button.
Reset to what? With DG and Mobley floor is probably a .500 team, ceiling is probably low 50s. Sometimes you are just good not great for a time with fun star players
They just need a new voice and someone to instill some accountability. They can still be a very good team.
Playing the starters extra minutes in the previous game to try and bump the margin of victory backfired (also it didn’t work as starters missed shots down stretch in that one).
OK I HAVE VENTED ENOUGH —-PLUS THE MRS NOMAD WANTS TO DO SOME SHOPPING // THEN STOP OFFF AT A LOCAL WINERY ——SHE MENTIONED WHEN WE GET HOME THERE MIGHT BE ‘ OPPORTUNITIES ” FOR ME —–WISH ME LUCK !!! :-)——GO NOMAD !!!
YOU DONT NEED LUCK, GO GET EM NOMAD!!
wine is good!
WE CAN REHASH THE SPIDA TRADE —-DO BELIEVE WE PLAYED MORE AS A TEAM WITH LAURI// HAD A MORE BALENCED TEAM // AND WISH THEY WOULD HAVE GIVEN THAT GROUP ANOTHER YEAR TO BLOSSOM TOGETHER// LAURI WAS UNDER A VERY FRIENDLY CONTRACT // ENJOYED PLAYING HERE // COULD HAVE SEEN WHAT ANOTHER YEAR HERE MAY HAVE PRODUCED PLUS WE WOULD HAVE ALL THOSE DRAFT PICKS// WHICH I HOPE WE CAN RECOUP IF // WHEN SPIDA IS TRADED
LARRY BIRD SAID IT HIMDELF ( WHEN HE STEPPED DOWN COACHING THE PACERS // AND THEY WERE STILL WINNING ) A TEAM EVENTUALLY NEEDS A ‘ DIFFFERENT ” VOICE TO LISTEN TO ——-BELIEVE THAT TIME HAS COME FOR THE CAVS /// JB ——BELIEVE THE CAVS HAVE ‘ TUNED ” OUT ON JB——AND WE DON’T KNOW WHAT GOES ON BEHIND CLOSED DOORS —–BELIEVE SPIDA IS NOT HAPPY WITH JB OR HAS HAD TALKS WITH KOBY ABOUT BEING TRADED
DO NOT THINK ——( SORRY FOR BEING SUCH A PESSIMIST // AND NOT BEING PATIENT ) THIS TEAM AS IT IS RIGHT NOW IS NOT ASSEMBLED FOR A LONG PLAYOFF RUN
WAY TO MOTIVATE CPJ WHO HAS PLAYED WELL WHEN CALLED UPON —-SO HE IS RERWARDED WITH BENCH TIME /// NO MINUTES —-THAT REALLY MOTIVATES // INSTILLS CONFIDENCE IN A PLAYER // WTF JB —–AND IT DIMINISHES HIS OPPORTUNITIES TO GROW // WHICH WE WILL NEED—OH YEAH FORGOT JB ONLY PLAYS A ” CHOSEN 8 ” WTF JB
DID WE CATCH EVERY TEAM OFF GAURD LAST YEAR —–WE HAD THE ENERGY AT THE START OF LAST SEASON—( BUT ALSO REMEMBER WE PLAYED CLOSE TO .500 BALL ) AFTER ALL STAR BREAK —–BELIEVE THE NBA// COACHES HAVE FIGURED OUT THE CAVS // SCOUTING REPORT IS OUT HOW TO BEAT THEM—–JB // CAVS HAVE NOT AND MAYBE CANNOT MAKE THE NECESSARY ADJUSTMENTS
Yup we caught teams off guard and the good teams didn’t have full rosters when we played them
WHERE IN THE HELL DO WE START—1ST OF ALL I AM PISSED AT JB NOT ONLY FOR THE WAY HE “DIDN’T ‘ COACH LAST NIGHT BUT THE MRS NOMAD WAS ‘ IN THE MOOD ” UNTIL THAT PATHETIC CAVS PERFORMANCE —–THOSE OPPORTUNITIES ONLY APPEAR EVERY SO OFTEN SO YEAH TOTALLY UPSET WITH THE CAVS// JB
This might be my favorite comment of yours ever.
a tough data point for “glass half full”ers like me.
not at all looking like a clear path to contending.
Progression of key draft picks has not been close to optimal.
The rest of the pieces I don’t have a problem with.
This is brutal
https://x.com/SportsBoyTony/status/1730572554757124419?s=20
Who were the interim options discussed? (Don’t do podcasts)
I just worry about a mid swap (or good god, the return of Ubuntu)
Don’t be such a Becky. Listen to a podcast and you’ll hear which names bud up. We lean into the mike so you can hear.
Also the sound quality is much better now, and listening to our boy Nate & Chris at 1.5 X speed like they are chipmunks is so much fun.
Thanks, man. We’ve worked hard to get it so.
I even have the boom mic and the pop filter now.
It shows! I might even give it a rating on the app store lol.
You’re a mensch
Sound quality is better.
Ah. Thanks.
You’re right.
We saw the real JB tonight. Small rotation, refusal to react to changing circumstances.
The dude’s gotta go.
Yup well said
The Golden state (4 starters out) stinker last year was a classic also.
Yup good call