Recap: Toronto 101, Cleveland 91 (Or: I’m not a worrier, but it’s also not like I sleep.)
2009-10-29Overview: The Cavs were unable to recover from a 57-39 1st-half drubbing, shooting 35% from the floor and losing 101-91 to the Raptors.
Cavs-Related Bullets:
It is so not time to panic. It is very far from being a time to panic. If the Cavs were 2-0, it’s not like everybody would be celebrating. That said, it is time for a good deal of concern. Onward and upward:
-LeBron James put up another monster line, putting up 23/11/12 for his first triple-double of the year, but this wasn’t nearly as strong as a performance as he had last night. In terms of his scoring game, this is what a bad LeBron games performance looks like. Only 2-11 from outside of the paint on Wednesday, and even his performance from the free throw line (8-14) was less than thrilling. When LeBron can’t get his outside shot going or find a groove working off the ball, what you get are some awkward forced drives where he’s basically looking to draw contact. And while he did get 14 free throws tonight, his shaky FT stroke meant even that wasn’t the best of plays. He did some nice work in the middle of the floor and was able to find his shooters for 12 assists, but overall LeBron was forcing it more than he was feeling it on Wednesday. A bravura LBJ performance probably means the Cavs win this game. At the end of the day, that’s one thing you know will be there more often than not.
In the file of Good Things: Small-ball. MB went with Mo/Boobie/Parker/LBJ/Varejao to start the third quarter, and the result was some beautiful basketball and a 32-21 quarter for the Cavaliers, who had just looked god-awful up to that point. LeBron had space in the middle of the floor, Mo immediately made his signature dive to the corner for an open three, Parker was banging in open threes, and even Boobie was having a good time. It looked like real basketball for a little while there.
-And let’s have some kudos for Boobie, who had a fabulous little game tonight. His scoring inside the arc remains consistently atrocious, failing to make a 2-point FG in 34 minutes tonight. But he knew where to be, had 3 assists (good for 2nd on the team, horrifyingly), and was looking like his own self from deep, going to the spots and catch-and-shooting to the tune of 4-8 from beyond the arc. A +12 for Boobie in 34 minutes tonight. (For those of you keeping score at home, this means the Cavs gave up 22 points in the 14 minutes Boobie sat. Yipes.)
More fun with +/-; The Cavs gave up 12 points during the 8 minutes LeBron was on the bench.
Less fun with +/-; The Cavs were -25 in Shaq’s 25 minutes on the floor. Now, it’s understandable that there are going to be some Shaq-related growing pains. Mo was able to come in right away because he addressed a lot of serious weaknesses on the team and didn’t bring any particular weak points to the table. Shaq is different. This is a player with some very serious strengths and equally glaring weaknesses, and trying to integrate that into an existing and successful formula is not going to happen overnight.
That said, Shaq tonight was miserable. Offensively, Shaq just looks awful running pick-and-roll sets. A lot of what the Cavs like to do early in the game is initiate the offense with Mo getting a ball-screen, and with Shaq’s lazy picks and lack of range the “show” man was absolutely smothering Mo, chasing him out to half-court, and putting the offense in a tremendous bind. Shaq’s gotta be close to the rim offensively to be effective. Not rocket science, but not a concept the Cavs have grasped at this point. And since Andy can’t do much on the perimeter, there doesn’t appear to be an easy fix with the existing starting lineup. And if Shaq’s going to be anything less than devastating when he gets 1-on-1 coverage in the post, things are not going to be good offensively.
Defensively, the news was even worse. Shaq just looks absolutely miserable defending the pick-and-roll. Again, not new news. But watching the Cavs desperately rotating on defense and trying to play catch-up on Shaq’s man was like watching the Magic series all over again. To borrow a saying from Arnovitz, it might be time to truth-squad this one a little bit. Shaq absolutely murdered Phoenix’s defensive efficiency last season, and it’s been a few years since he played on a defense that wasn’t atrocious. Again, the hope is that MB can turn his around-the-rim defense into an asset like he did with Z, but it sure hasn’t materialized yet. There’s obviously a lot of time here, and there will be some growth and gelling over the coming months, but I’d prefer proactive solutions instead of continuing to bang heads into the wall playing Shaq in his current rotations.
And speaking of banging heads into the wall, Shaq and Andy together just doesn’t work offensively. It doesn’t work on paper, and it has failed spectacularly on the court so far. Shaq needs a power forward who can shoot. It’s that simple. There are a few solutions to this problem:
1. Play LeBron next to Shaq at the four. This happened tonight, and did seem to work. However, I’d really like to see Shaq work in non-LeBron lineups, considering how glaring of a weakness those have been and continue to be. So on that track, the options become:
2. Take your chances with Jamario Moon at the 4. Defensively, there are mismatch issues, but I’m generally willing to take my chances with a mismatch on a 2nd unit, where the players generally aren’t good enough to light teams up on their own. More on Moon later.
3. Take a leap of faith with JJ Hickson next to Shaq. JJ isn’t a lights-out shooter by any stretch of the imagination, but he’s got enough of a stroke from 18 that defenses at least have to guard him out there, and it’s conceivable that it could become Joe Smith-passable with confidence and practice. And he’s such a good athlete that he’s dangerous with a hard drive and jam catching on the weak side.
4. Find someone in a trade. I imagine this is why the SJax-to-Cleveland rumors appear to remain hot.
You know what’s not a solution? PLAYING SHAQ AND Z TOGETHER. I understand that Z can stretch the floor as a big, but really, are we having serious time right now? This killed the Cavs’ comeback chances in the fourth tonight. There’s just no chance that pair can keep up with any frontcourt in the league, let alone guys with Bosh and Bargnani’s speed. And it’s not like Z’s post game is good enough to truly punish a size mismatch on the other end. I’m a fairly staunch Mike Brown apologist for a lot of reasons, but man, every now and then he’ll make you scratch your head. When the Good Lord was ladling out common sense, the big spoon must’ve been dirty during Mike Brown’s turn.
-Andy also had some real struggles tonight, failing to make a field goal. He seems to have worked on his post game, and does catch people off guard with fakes, but his bread-and-butter is still diving to the basket with the floor spaced well around him, and that wasn’t happening tonight. Hey, maybe him and Z should be playing together! That’s so crazy, it might just get the Cavs 66 wins! Wait, that already happened.
-In the “mitigating factors” department: The offensive dropoff from Delonte to Anthony Parker is pretty severe. He’s wonderful as a spot-up shooter, but when he gets chased off the line his game isn’t much. Delonte was fantastic at making a hard drive or getting the ball to the weak side of the floor when he got chased off the line. In contrast, Anthony keeps the ball on his side of the court and seems to be in love with an array of off-balance jumpers, which don’t go in all that often. That’s a significant issue when it comes to jumpers.
-Also, I’m really worried that I was fooled by Moon. Not to venture into Simmons territory here, but you know how you’ll be at a party, and there’s a cute girl who’s friends with a bunch of your friends, and actually seems pretty cool and nice, but everyone looks at you and sort of shakes their head and laughs? Every discussion I’ve had about Moon with people that know his game has been EXACTLY LIKE THAT. On paper, he just seems so nice. Great finisher, solid shooter, good defensive numbers, great defensive tools-seems like a money role player, right? So why do I find myself cringing every time he launches a jumper, and get nervous every time he tries to lock on defensively?
For anyone who got the Raps broadcast on LP tonight, there was a moment where Moon was guarding Hedo, who should under no circumstances be able to drive by Moon one-on-one. But I got that sinking feeling, and before I knew it he bit on the smallest of up-fakes as Hedo got into the paint and drew contact. After that happened, the Raps broadcaster said “well, we know Jamario will bite on up-fakes,” then shared a knowing, gleeful cackle with the color guy. I cannot impress upon you enough how creepy and unsettling this was. I’m spooked by Moon now. I defended signing you over Matt Barnes, darnit.
Bullets of Randomness:
-The #1 overall picks playing tonight were LeBron, Shaq, and Andrea Bargnani. Who would’ve guessed that the high scorer in that group would be Andrea? He looked flat-out beastly tonight. Playing against Shaq and Z’s glacial butts helped, but he was raining jumpers, making cuts, and blowing by people. A wow performance, maybe even a lightbulb moment. Andy getting him into foul trouble by drawing back-to-back offensive fouls in the 3rd was a huge reason the Cavs were able to stay in the game.
-Less impressive were Bosh and Turk, but they did get the job done.
-DeRozan, on the other hand, is doing the Eric Snow “I can’t shoot threes, but corner jumpers from 20 feet are basically as good” thing. That doesn’t work in the NBA. You want to be an offensive asset as a wing player off the ball, get yourself legit 3-point range.
-Belinelli had a +19 in 19 minutes, and was generally beasting. Can’t believe the Warriors let him go for a song-also can’t believe DeRozan is starting over him at this point in DD’s development.
-Rasho freaking Nesterovic was making our bigs look a step slow by pick-and-popping tonight. RASH-O NES-TER-O-VIC. (You know you just heard Stephen A. say that in your head. Don’t lie.)
-Alright, that’s all for now. Again, let’s nobody panic. There are 80 more of these, and then the real season begins. Hopefully this game will be good in the long run by forcing MB to tackle some of the rotational issues head-on. Not the best week to play 4 games in 5 days, but things will get better. So instead of flipping the panic switch, let’s listen to “Panic Switch.” That bassist is the coolest person ever. (Behind the scenes-I really wanted to post the unplugged version of this song, which is exponentially more awesome, but embedding was disabled. Tonight is just not my night.) Until tomorrow, campers.
Cavs need to give more run to Hickson. This is a championship-caliber squad. They’re not building for the future. (If LBJ leaves the team, there is no future.) Why carry a young guy like Hickson if you’re not going to use him? Either try him out as the “Stretch 4”, or include him in a trade for the player you really need.
I mostly agree with all of this. Let’s see more small lineups – they can help on offense and in games like this are defensively NECESSARY. Would like to see more Moon at the 4 with LeBron and Varejao, and let’s try to RUN with those guys. And most importantly NEVER play Shaq and Z together. Not Ever. And, in reference to JPEsq’s point, I felt very strongly last year that Stan Van Gundy was the coach of the year. I’m happy for Mike Brown, though, because he’s a good guy. Like with the Mo all-star campaign, some Cleveland fans… Read more »
I think a big thing for the Cavs that isn’t being mentioned enough is that Williams and Parker have EFG%s of .364 and .429. The offense looks terrible because, like with Snow and Hughes, the guards can’t make jumpers
Jamario Moon. With an ‘A’.
Not that it matters if the official blogger for the team can spell the players names right or not.
This is starting to look like a pile-on by “Raptors Truthers” as Bill Simmons calls us. But we can’t help it, we need to share the gospel of why you can’t fall in love with Jamario Moon, if only to prevent other devoted bball fans from being heartbroken like we were. Trust me, I own a Jamario Moon Raptors jersey. It may be the dumbest purchase I’ve ever made. Jamario Moon has said in the past that he doesn’t read scouting reports, because he doesn’t want it to affect his instincts. It is stupid stuff like this that will make… Read more »
The reason the Cavs lost last night is actually pretty simple. 4 of the Raptors 5 starters outplayed their Cavs counterpart. The Raptors also got help from their bench (Rasho, Bellinelli and Wright all exceeded expectations) while only Boobie Gibson really contributed for the Cavs. This loss was no fluke and it wasn’t Mike Brown’s fault. The real problem is that the Cavs only have 1 player who is consistently better than the guy he’s lined up against. And you can’t expect to win like that against good teams (which the Raptors now are). Does anyone really think Cleveland has… Read more »
I don’t know how you can feel comfortable with AP and Moon playing significant minutes for your team. One of the main things that killed the Raps last year was piss poor wing play and the Cavs basically signed the two players responsible for said piss poor wing play. Moon was actually decent last night. I saw him cut to the basket and crash the O boards on occasion. Most of the time he’ll be standing around the perimeter being useless. There’s a reason he gets so many open jumpers. Whenever the ball is swung, the defensive rotation leaves Moon… Read more »
verbatim, “Moon’s advantage is that you pay him much less than Barnes” So I assume that advantage has gone when you consider that Barnes is paid 1.6m per year for 2 years (2nd year a player option) but pay Moon an average of 2.9m over 3 years? Im a Magic fan and Ive got admit, when I saw Shaq and Z out there together in both games so far, it reminded of me when the Magic use Howard and Gortat at the same time. To Stan Van Gundys credit, he uses it very sparingly. As the (excellent in my view)… Read more »
do you realize you have spam links all over your header? i noticed it the last time i was on the blog, thought it was temp. hacked, but it’s still there… is it intentional?
(i tried copying and pasting a sample but your spam filter blocks it out, how ironic)
maybe i can see it because i have noscripts on firefox, and the links are visible when the scripts are blocked. i definitely won’t unblock this site til the crap is removed.
and no this isn’t a complaint- just bringing to your attention
I guess the comparison to Z/Shaq is meant to be Oden/Pryzbilla, which Portland play sometimes? Not really clear why this doesn’t work when that does, especially as Z can shoot and neither of the Portland two can…
Raps fan here. Cavs looked disjointed. Lots of standing around while LBJ or Shaq just held onto the ball. LBJ had some nice passes, but it wasn’t like I saw players moving to get themselves open. It is purely LBJ attracting doubles. Shaq had problems finding open shooters as I think the Raps did a very good job of doubling at the right times. Any team with LeBron does not have much to worry about over 82 games. But it looks like everyonbe not named LeBron needs to work on passing. Come on, I am counting on the Cavs and… Read more »
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*thoughts.
when i saw the halftime score i had one of those “will it ever actually happen in cleveland? will we ever know what a sports championship is?”
I liked terry pluto’s cavs preview podcast:
“if you can’t win a championship with lebron and shaq, will you ever? no wait. don’t answer that”
Ok. I have been a mike Brown apologist in the past, but everyone’s right. He Absolutely stunk last night. Z and Andy need to play together, and Shaq should be playing with LeBron, Moon, and Hickson. The reason I don’t like Shaq off the bench is that he helps you get teams in foul trouble at the beginning of quarters. So why not play him the first 6-7 minutes of each quarter? He was helping them come back with this in the third. We desperately still need a 4 (actually we don’t since we have the best in the league,… Read more »
As a Raps fan, you’ve exactly nailed the experience of having Moon on your team. Every time he touches the ball, your blood pressure begins to rise and you’ll find yourself unconsciously reaching for something to throw at your television. Every time his opponent touches the ball, you’ll put a hand over your face so you can’t watch, but end up opening a space between two fingers and peeking out in case Moon recovers with a terrific from-behind block. He’s a good player with good skills and athleticism, but he lacks the on-court awareness and general basketball IQ to make… Read more »
I don’t know what to say…. I don’t want to worry, but its not like this game inspired a lot of hope.
Solid writeup. I wanna shoot myself with one of my 3 loaded guns (too soon?) everytime I see Shaq and Z on the floor together. Why is MB the ONLY PERSON WHO DOESN’T REALIZE THIS WON’T WORK?!? While I am by no means in panic mode, these little losses can certainly affect playoff seeding, especially a loss to the Cs if we need a tiebreaker. I know we haven’t seen the true potential of this team yet, but we better start getting a glimpse of it soon…
Great recap. I was at the game and was flabbergasted by how poorly Shaq performed on both ends. I thought he would have his way with Bargs – he MURDERED the Raptors one game in Phoenix last season. As a Raptors fan, I wanted him on the court at all times last night. About Moon – well… he does bite on pump fakes. That was probably the most annoying part of his game. He IS better than some Raptor fans would have you believe, though. It just happens that his biting on pump fakes and poorly timed jumpers stand out… Read more »
DeRozan isn’t going to be starting long – he’s there to take up space until Wright gets healthy.
Belinelli is basically the only guy on the Raps second unit who can score (well, except when Rasho is being guarded by stiff and stiffer), which is why he’s not starting.
Two games and MB hasn’t figured out a rotation that works. With his performance from last year, I don’t think he will/can. Kind of reminds me of Curry in Detroit last year after he got AI. The team had talent but the coach didn’t know how to use it. If MB doesn’t bring in somebody who can help him develop an offensive scheme, he’s going to be looking for a job next year. The Cavs have too much talent to loose to the Raps.
We have some talent. Not as much as, say, San Antonio, LA, or Orlando, but enough that we can win a lot of games and go deep-deep in the playoffs if LeBron is LeBron (he is) and the talent around him plays cohesively and additively (so far: doesn’t seem like it). Anyone else notice how absolutely crushingly depressing it was when we got within 1, I was standing up hooting and hollering at the screen, and then Mike Brown proceeded to put Z and Shaq on the floor together? I think the number of times I cussed MB out last… Read more »
i wonder what will happen to the cavs this season..Im a raptors fan but i still see lebron carrying you guys to the conference finals….
But i gotta say…your GM should have assembled some sort of team to help lebron win a championship by now…its unbelievable.