A Few Off-Day Thoughts On Shaq
2009-10-30Alright, so we’re not yet a week into the “I am seriously worried about this Shaq thing working” out period of the season. Others from around the league have done little to assuage me-remember how I said last time that Jamario Moon is like a crazy chick who all your friends shoot knowing glances to each other about? Well, Shaq seems to be treated like the evil ex-wife who eventually took their money and left them bitter and miserable. So yeah, I’m still worried about this. But here are a few quick thoughts before I give the reigns over to my colleague Michael Schwartz from Valley of The Suns, who I asked to help me figure out how to make a pick-and-roll based offense work while integrating Shaq, which Phoenix, for all its defensive woes, did do last year.
-Remember this: that Suns offense was ridiculously good at the end of last season.
-That said, they played significantly worse defense with Shaq on the floor. And this was a horrifyingly bad defensive team.
-Offensively, Shaq’s best lineup had Matt Barnes at the four, not Amare. Considering how amazing of an offensive player Amare is, that should tell us something about how important having shooters around Shaq is, especially since Amare has become a pretty good mid-range shooter; a guy who can truly stretch the D to the 3-point line is a major asset. (By the way, I feel majorly uneasy about talking myself and the 4 readers who take my opinions seriously into Jamario Moon over Matt Barnes. I am reserving the right to flip-flop on this. Not doing it yet, but reserving the right.)
-Right now, I’m of the opinion that Shaq will grow into the offense and vice versa, but still have major misgivings about whether the Cavs can remain an elite defensive team with Shaq holding down the center position, but this is what MB does best and there is a long way to go.
-Alright without further ado here’s Michael’s e-mail, which of course I sincerely thank him for. I’m hoping this will be less of a piece judging Shaq one way or another and more of the beginning of an open exchange between all of us on how to use Shaq correctly on a team that want to win a championship, and I don’t expect we’ll know these answers for a while. Here’s Michael:
The Suns’ offense was a mess the first couple months of the season. Steve Nash wasn’t Steve Nash anymore, and you can find a quote in the archives from our own Kevin Arnovitz comparing him to “a hummingbird trapped inside a paper bag.” Nash lost much of his freedom, as Shaq became more of a focal point. As the season went on, Porter loosened the reins a bit, and then under Gentry they went balls out fast and then if that wasn’t there they slowed it down and pounded it down low to the Big Fella quite often. Before I go on, I’d like to give you a quote from Suns assistant GM of basketball ops David Griffin (found here –http://valleyofthesuns.com/2009/10/24/griffin-explains-it-all/):
At one point I almost felt like the Suns would be better off staggering their rotations and having Nash and Shaq play together as little as possible. Their games couldn’t be further apart, and I thought it would do the team well to have Nash play his pace when he was in there and then Shaq’s when he was in there. As you might have imagined, Shaq’s presence affected Amare Stoudemire quite a bit as well. Shaq had to be down low, so that left Amare out on the perimeter shooting jumpers quite a bit more, whereas he’s most effective on the block, From what I’ve read, your bigs are having similar issues.
I would say not to freak out too much about two games since it’s such a small sample size, but Cleveland fans better get used to Shaq saying, “I’ve shot 60 percent down there since I was in eighth grade,” and “I’ve been doing that for 17 years,” every time he has a big game. He still thinks he’s that guy. From observing him closely, I don’t think he’s come to terms with the fact that he’s getting older and he’s not The Most Dominant Ever anymore. He thirsts for the spotlight, and I can’t wait to see how that dynamic plays out with LeBron. He’s almost like Michael Scott, rushing in to take kudos whenever one of his teammates does something great.
I would say this as well: think about the trade. The Cavs got this guy for free, as the Suns’ didn’t receive a single basketball asset in this deal. I know Sarver’s cheap, but do you think the Suns do this if it weren’t a case of addition by subtraction on top of the cash? There seemed to be a sense of relief at Suns Media Day that he’s now in Cleveland.
-Michael
I f’ed up that first link, sorry.
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5264912
Hey, if this Shaq thing doesn’t work out, he is also a giant expiring contract and there are a few teams who could use more cap space or smaller salary commitments. I hear New York is trying to unload Eddy Curry before this summer. So… http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/ Even if Curry is unusable, I think Harrington would be a helpful addition. Of course this plays into New York’s LeBron-thieving hands, but even if they get the cap space to sign another megastar like Bosh to go with him, I think they still wouldn’t have enough talent to attract LeBron. (Who plays the… Read more »
I like Shaq off the bench because we know Z can play with Lebron, Mo, and Andy. I’d like to see what West, Hickson, and Shaq could do together on the second team with a couple shooters.
/// off to see what bigs might be available
Everybody thinks that the rotations need to change, myself included, but it really only matters what mike brown thinks. Unfortunately for us, he is committed to playing Shaq and Z together (http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2009/10/twin_towers_more_than_a_passin.html) despite how horrendous they have looked together so far. Now I understand that Boston and Toronto have some of the most athletic big men in the league, but those are the types of teams that we will have to beat to win a championship, and that’s not going to happen unless mike brown can figure out what the heck he is doing. I miss John Kuester.
I have confidence that MB can turn Shaq into an asset on D, but I’m not sure if he can help the O with Andy out there. I think Bron is fine either with or without Shaq on the floor. So MAYBE the answer is to simply start Moon or JJ? Or maybe MB will determine who to start more based upon who the Cavs plaly than by who our ‘typical’ starters are. For example, I like the Cavs chances much better with Shaq against Orlando than with big Z. But I like big Z better against teams with less… Read more »
One thing I noticed in both games so far, was Anthony Parker’s crunch-time choking. I know the sample size here is small, and it really just speaks to Parker’s known usefulness as a “less than 30MPG guy.” But against the Celtics, he screwed up a pass from LeBron that killed any momentum that Paul Pierce didn’t already kill. And then there was this beauty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li1e7DF2jXE (go to 2:09). He has a fastbreak 3pt attempt, and Turkoglu’s late coverage attempt (more like a leap) somehow messes with him and the ball flies out of his hands sideways, and we have another… Read more »
if i wasn’t convinced that going after moon instead of barnes would come back to bite us in the (_|_) at first, i was 110% sure of it when the magic signed him. as for shaq, while i doubt MB will ever do this, i think we should start z – basically the same starting lineup we had last year save for ‘te/AP. when MB is ready to start rotating, bring in shaq and moon, and maybe even boobie for mo so that mo can start the 2nd quarter while bron sits. so you end the 1st with shaq –… Read more »