Playoff Live Thread: Knicks @ Cavs, ECF Game 3
2026-05-23Good evening CtB!
The Cavs welcome the New York Knicks to the banks of the Cuyahoga River with a slim chance for the good guys to make it a competitive series. In all probability the series is already over, with conference finalists having a 2-0 advantage winning the series over 90% of the time. The majority of media personalities and fans alike never really gave the Cavs a chance in this series, and the Game 1 collapse by Cleveland only re-affirmed those prejudices. For many, that game was emblematic of the Cavs’ lack of toughness, physical and mental, that has dogged this team over the past few years. Even though more of the pressure should be on the Knicks to make it to the Finals, the Cavs are the ones playing as though more pressure is upon them. Everything is stacked against the Cavs and the Knicks look like an unbeatable juggernaut who’ll waltz through the East. So naturally, either the Cavs have the Knicks right where they want them… or maybe having zero competitive toughness is simply part of the Cavs’ brand.
Basketball-wise, the stories that have emerged from this Cavs’ run is the disappearing act of Donovan Mitchell (and to a lesser extent, but still so James Harden) and the buffoonery of Coach Kenny Atkinson. For whatever the reason, Mitchell’s playmaking has completely disappeared in this playoff run, with an assist ratio at a pathetic 10.8 according to nba.com. This has resulted in the freezing out of our two best offensive rim attackers, Tower City. The only real question is how much of the blame is on Mitchell and/or how much of the blame should Kenny Atkinson receive for his idiotic rotations. A classic “chicken or the egg” conundrum.
With Kenny Atkinson, his over-reliance on Dennis Schröder and Max Strus have cost the Cavs, particularly Mitchell and Evan Mobley, any chance to be successful on the court. Ironically, Schröder has been a massive positive for James Harden (+10.9 net rating in 123 playoff minutes), yet the Umlaut gets far more minutes with Mitchell and they are a disaster together: -12.4 net rating in 178 playoff minutes. It’s obvious to see that Schröder’s lack of shooting and ball dominance completely nuke any chance Mitchell and Mobley have to be effective on offense. With Strus, he and Mitchell are sporting a -11.6 net rating in 281 playoff minutes and a -11.5 in 276 playoff minutes with Mobley. With a coach who can’t make basic adjustments and ignores easily interpretable data, it’s no wonder the Cavs look like a joke on the court.
The question that comes to mind about Strus’ lack of success is whether or not playing four guard lineups is negatively impacting his ability to defend, which is where Strus is getting killed in the playoffs. On the other hand, maybe ifJaylon Tyson, with whom the Cavs have been clearly a superior performing playoff team, can get unglued off the bench we wouldn’t have to deal with the Umlaut/Strus atrocities. At this point, even Keon Ellis would represent an improvement over Max Strus from a team performance perspective these playoffs. Can Kenny Atkinson make any adjustment or sink like the Bismarck? Stay tuned…
Tip off is scheduled for 8:00PM Eastern time and will be nationally broadcasted on ABC, Go Cavs!


Really in the house!
Delly
Harden getting booed on pregame screen
Umlaut out.
At the arena. This is an effin Knicks home game, at least visually
Knicks entrance as loud.
RAOUL/ CHRIS K —- YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY CORRECT—- I MIGHT HAVE BEEN OVERLY SARCASTIC/ FRUSTRATED IN MY POST————-IF I AM MAKING A HUGE WAGER (hate to say ) MY MONEY WOULD BE ON THE KNICKS CLOSING IT OUT TONIGHT———— AGREED OWNERS/ COACHES/ PLAYERS/ FANS DO NOT WANT TO BE PART OF A SWEEP ——HOPEFULLY THAT FEELING/ SENSE OF URGENCY PREVAILS TONIGHT—- GO CAVS !!
DO NOT EXPECT CAVS TO WIN TONIGHT——THEY DONT WANT TO TRAVEL BACK TO NEW YORK—- CALL IT A SEASON AND GET OUT THE GOLF CLUBS——- AS LONG AS WE CONTINUE TO WIN “ THE KA ANALYTICAL GAME/ WAR “ —— I AM HAPPY ( SARCASM 🤮)
I never buy the line about any team not giving it all in an elimination game
Agreed–in addition, no competitor wants to be swept. It’s an especially ugly distinction.
Spurs showing professional pride, must be nice
if they would loan us the big kid, we would too
OKC taking out SGA helps too
Did Kenny really say out loud, to the media, “analytically we’ve won 2 out of 3?” I get what he meant. But still. Call it a coaching treadmill, but I won’t miss him if he’s gone next year.
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Nice of the Knicks twitter account to post it he could get dragged publicly and used as bulletin board material!
what an idiot.
I am waiting until it is over befor coming out in favor of a new coach.
Kenny has well and truly outsmarted himself.
Just fall back on meaningless cliches.
as it turns out, that quote was majorily taken out of context
It was, but when has that stopped coaches, players, media, or fan bases from turning a sound bite into fuel? He basically threw kerosene and battery acid on a pile of oil-soaked garage rags on a hot day. Does he want to go out like a Tibetan monk? His idea wasn’t a bad one, but keep the data in-house and tell the reporters your guys are confident, trust the process, etc. Sometimes vanilla is best.
Yeah. You just hold it. Allen learned that lesson
DO NOT WANT TO SACRIFICE THE FUTURE FOR GIANNIS——AGE AND ESPECIALLY HEALTH ARE NOT WORTH IT——ALSO BUCKS WILL CREATE A “ BIDDING WAR “ AND GET MORE THAN THE PRODUCT THEY ARE SELLING
HERE IS MY THOUGHTS—- OKC : SPURS ARE GOING TO BE THE NBA CHAMPION s NEXT 4-5 YEARS—— MAKE YOUR TRADES FOR DRAFT PiCKS TO ASSEMBLE A TEAM READY TO COMPETE 4-5 years FROM NOW——- UNDERSTAND THE WORD REBUILD IS NOT A WORD THAT MOST FANS DONT WANT TO ACCEPT/ BUY IN TO— BUT IT CAN BE EXCITING AT THE SAME TIME
I am getting pretty old for this!
That’s never ever worked in the NBA.
And in any event teams are going to chase a two big setup to combat OKC and SA. We already have that piece of the puzzle.
Either run it back or go all in for Giannis / Bron.
Playoff basketball >>>>>>> rebuild. Aching for the rebuild is Browns mentality
the only way the Cavs can compete is if LeBron decides to come home and play for near the min — this might not be likely, but it is not at all impossible.
the Hardin trade was a longshot “win while Mitchell, Mobley, and Allen are still here” — appears to be a “swing and a miss”. a Giannis trade would also be a long shot, and probably the end for the current crew. what are the chances that he has ANY decent years left?
good plan, but it will be very hard to pull it off.
probably a good idea to hold off on the CtB “long term planning” workshop until the fat lady sings.
But, for openers, what draft picks do we own in the coming years?
This year, a swappy ‘28 (think least favorable of UTH, SA and ATL or something) and then 2030.
Think we can trade 31 and the player picked with 26 this year
looks like it is time to start hoarding picks
If we don’t do Giannis, we’ll keep taking swings at young-ish reclamation projects in a “second draft” (Risacher? Jabari Smith? Grady Dick?) to fill out the roster rather than picks, especially with the flattened odds making late lotto FRPs somewhat more valuable.
I am not thinking of what we can use for a trade, I am thinking of what we can use for a rebuild.
Rebuild needs a path to a 1A level star which we didn’t even get when we won the lottery 3/4 years.
THE FAT LADY IS SINGING —TIME TO START TALKING OFF SEASON—— A BIG NO TO RESIGNING HARDEN NO MATTER WHAT THE CONVERSATION PRIOR TO THE TRADE —— WADE / STRUS/ CPJ ??? ——- SCHROEDER A BIG NO ——ATLANTA/ PISTONS/ KNICKS WITH DRAFT PICKS WILL BE BETTER——- ARE WE POSSIBLY IN REBUILDING MODE / START TO AQUIRE DRAFT PICKS——— I MIGHT BE TOTALLY WRONG HERE BUT THIS ASSEMBLY OF PIECES WILL WIN YOU 45+ GAMES/ SEASON BUT WILL NEVER COMPETE FOR A TITLE
Haven’t perused season stats, but I feel like Wade is still improving and is a key piece that should only be moved if necessary.
I’ve always found Strus a bit meh.
No point keeping CPJ if the coaches won’t develop him.
Dennis has got to go.
Does anyone think Harden will be better in his 18th season?
If your #1 can’t do anything but score and the scoring falls off against playoff defense (and credit to OG and Mikal here who are great) it’s tough. If you think that’s the biggest issue, you have to make the Giannis play even if it’s Mobley: for all the age/injury concerns he can break a defense and you can find useful complementary roles for anyone else, even the more disappointing pieces like Schroder. Plan B is probably moving Mitchell and/or Harden for size and/or distressed assets and really putting it on Mobley/Tyson/Allen. Denver or Brooklyn or maybe Miami seem like… Read more »
Mobley plus picks for Giannis? highly likely to turn out worse than Garland + a pick for Hardin.
Yeah, that’s easy to say. It’s probably why we didn’t pull the trigger in February.
But that was before Mitchell’s awful POs. if you don’t have a star championship level defenses have to care about, then not sure what else matters.
Mobley could be that guy eventually with the right cast and Mitchell and Harden tweaking their games.
Just a fairly typical “build it or buy it” FO choice, assuming Giannis is gettable for that package.
It was not the biggest issue, but my concerns about Strus’s D when he is faced with better opponents was valid. Somewhat made up for with his hustle, steals etc.
Apologies CLF, hadn’t got around to reading your intro and saw you have touched on this already.
No worries Simmo! Yup, Strus and Schroder were singularly awful and there was no reason to keep going to that well when Tyson and Ellis were parked on the bench.
In this game, the Cavs didn’t make foul shots, make three pointers, involve the big guys on offense, hold onto the ball, or play good defense.
Instead of watching the rest of the 4th, I laced up and went on a long, hard run – as a homage to the Cavs playoff run.
I did that after “The Decision”
Knicks two-point shooting this season: 55.6% regular season; 56.9% round 1 vs. Atlanta; 61.2% round 2 vs. Philadelphia; 57.1% Game 1 vs. Cleveland; 63.3% Game 2 vs. Cleveland; 65.3% Game 3 vs. Cleveland; Cavs two-point shooting this season: 57.8% regular season; 57.9% round 1 vs. Toronto; 55.8% round 2 vs. Detroit; 50.0% Game 1 vs. New York; 48.9% Game 2 vs. New York; 69.8% Game 3 vs. New York; Knicks three-point shooting this season: 37.3% regular season; 38.0% round 1 vs. Atlanta; 44.8% round 2 vs. Philadelphia; 31.3% Game 1 vs. Cleveland; 36.1% Game 2 vs. Cleveland; 39.3% Game 3… Read more »
Watching the highlights, I am old enough to see a redux of the Price/Daugherty/Nance/Hot Rod/Ehlo Cavs….the nicest guys, true professionals…and always one series short of the finals.
Could be.
Also, Michael Freaking Jordan. The goat.