Draft Profile – Andre Drummond and Jeremy Lamb
2012-02-09Starting this month, two potential draft prospects will be looked at. There’s a heavy concentration for potential lottery picks: three at Kentucky, three at UNC, two at Baylor, two at Florida, and the two players at Connecticut that will be profiled today. Andre Drummond and Jeremy Lamb occupy positions of need for the Cavs; Drummond – a mammoth center, and Lamb – a slick shooting wing.
Drummond is currently projected as the 2nd pick in the 2012 draft. Size and athleticism constitute his primary strengths: 6’11”, 275 lbs, 7’5” wingspan, runs the court like a smaller player, jumps through the roof…physically, an extremely rare player. To some extent though, that’s where the definite strengths end. He possesses decent shooting and passing ability, but defers too often. He’s always the biggest player on the court, but doesn’t consistently use it to his advantage. He gathers rebounds due to his size and leaping, but doesn’t show great fundamentals or always assert himself. He blocks shots, but can appear lost defensively. You get the drift; a nineteen-year-old possessing all the physical gifts in the world, that hasn’t learned to utilize them. Oh yeah, there’s also the little problem of 34% free throw shooting.
Notes from recent games include:
01/14 against Notre Dame – In this UConn victory, Drummond finished with 10 points on 42% true shooting, 13 rebounds, and 2 blocks in 36 minutes. Scouting reports on him held up, as he never showed a “strong” post move, instead settling for turnarounds and fadeaways. As a contrast, teammate Alex Oriakhi repeatedly established deep post position on #14 (who also frequently guarded Drummond) and made strong moves. Both of Drummond’s blocks were recoveries to thwart layups that probably wouldn’t have been attempted if his positioning and attentiveness were better. His defensive rebounding fundamentals are also lacking; he rarely showed great movement or positioning after a shot goes up or, instead standing in place and relying on his size and leaping. In this particular game, that was frequently good enough. He is an amazing athlete- there were a couple of rebounds where his hand was two feet higher than anyone else’s. Early in the game on a fast break, he ran the court like a guard, got rewarded and finished with a spectacular dunk.
Lamb finished with 6 points on 3 of 11 shooting with only 3 rebounds in 40 minutes. It was an uninspiring game. He made a couple of jump shots, once off the dribble and another time off a screen. He stole a pass and finished in transition. Other than that, lots of misses and half-hearted defense & rebounding. On the bright side, he had seven assists, plus at least two easy setups that were missed by his big men.
01/29 against Cincinnati
Drummond was largely ineffective in this 67- 70 UConn loss, finishing with 4 points, 6 rebounds and 1 block in 28 minutes. Again his play was generally “weak”; shooting jump shots, floaters and fadeaways instead of punishing smaller players on the block. Twice when the ball came to him near the basket, he leapt, soaring above everyone for an easy scoring opportunity…except he passed the ball, resulting in turnovers as the intended recipient was not expecting the ball. Some nonexistent box-outs lead to opponent offensive rebounds. Early in the second half, I noted that if Drummond’s size & athleticism could be combined with teammate Alex Oriakhi’s motor & toughness, you’d have a Dwight Howard clone. His play did pick up in the second half and he had a couple of quality defensive possessions, affecting pick-and-rolls on the perimeter before retreating to contest the shot at the rim. He finally showed a strong post move, spinning to his right for a vicious dunk (it was waived off though, due to a hand check). Crunch time was a letdown, with misses on a couple of makeable shots that could have been difference makers.
Lamb finished with 14 points on 53% true shooting with 8 rebounds, 5 assists and 3 turnovers. His game started well; hitting a couple of long shots off of screens, driving into the lane for a tough 8-footer, and threading a sweet crosscourt bounce pass for a layup. In the second half though, he looked disengaged and exhibited bad body language. He only took 3 shots in the last 14:40, as teammate Shabazz Napier scored ten points in the final minutes to nearly rally UConn to victory. Napier was UConn’s best player this game, finishing with 27 points and 7 assists on 64% true shooting.
02/01 against Georgetown
This game was ugly, with UConn losing 44 – 58, but the first four minutes were the best play I saw from Drummond. Displaying a variety of methods, Drummond scored 8 points while leading UConn to a 13-7 lead. A baseline spin move resulted in a lay-up, deep post position netted an easy slam, a cut to the basket lead to an alley-oop finish, and a perfectly timed pick & roll provided a highlight reel dunk. This is how Drummond needs to look every time he steps on the floor. For a reason that is unclear to me, Drummond went to the bench at this point. UConn only made one field goal in the next thirteen minutes (off a Drummond assist), before finding him for another bucket to end the drought. On several possessions, it appeared that playing with better passers could have resulted in more Drummond baskets. He wasn’t perfect though and had occassional defensive & rebounding lapses and puzzling bouts with passivity. Three times in the second half, he tried to steal a pass 20 – 25 feet from the basket and missed, allowing his man a path to a layup. After the third time, he was briefly benched. He finished with 18 points on 65% true shooting with 7 rebounds, 2 assists and 1 block in 32 minutes.
This was a super-forgettable game for Lamb; 14 points on 4 of 18 shooting with 6 rebounds and 1 assist. Lots of missed shots and he also has a tendency to close out on shooters too hard, getting fooled by pump fakes. In a game short on Lamb highlights, a flying dunk on an offensive rebound showcased his athleticism.
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Summary: Drummond needs to become the brute force that he was built for. Through 23 games in 28 minutes per game, he’s averaged 9.7 points, 7.5 rebounds and 2.6 blocks. His 16% defensive rebounding rate would be great for a small forward (Kidd-Gilchrist has been better); his 53 free throw attempts, reasonable for a perimeter bomber. He showed some nice high post – low post passing ability in the games I watched, but he’s logged only 12 assists this year. Someone needs to teach him to punish his opponent in the low post, rebound a space the size of Rhode Island, and wreak havoc on everything the opponent brings within five feet of the basket. There’s no reason he can’t do all of these things, and until he does, he’ll never meet the lofty expectations of being pressed from the same mold as Dwight Howard and Amar’e Stoudemire.
For me, Lamb is too much of a combination of one-dimensional / not-good-enough-at-that- dimension for him to be extremely effective in the NBA. Also he must have caught word that I was going to be profiling him and let it affect his game; he’s fallen off a cliff since the first Notre Dame game, shooting 37% from the field and 26% from three.
Through 4 draft profiles, my rankings are:
- Andre Drummond – After Anthony Davis, it will be hard to pass up an athletic giant, but could the Cavs really build around two big men that shoot under 50% on free throws?
- Michael Kidd-Gilchrist – His offense has taken a downturn since the New Year; 10.5 points and 2.5 turnovers in 33 minutes per game on 51% true shooting. He’s still rebounding well and tallying a block & steal per game. He’s a Gerald Wallace-type small forward as a defensive stopper / rebounder / slashing scorer. I was hoping to see a little more promise in his shooting, but 14% from three in the last eleven games is drawing him closer to…
- Harrison Barnes – He keeps scoring with efficiency; 18.7 points on 57% true shooting in 28 minutes per game in January and February. He only has six assists during that time though and continues to be underwhelming as a rebounder.
- Jeremy Lamb – There’s a pretty big drop from MKG & Barnes down to Lamb. A good case scenario may be O.J. Mayo; a capable scorer if you’re content with average to slightly-below-average efficiency, a below average rebounder, and a sometimes disinterested defender.
Damn the size issue, Rivers has the perfect game to go along with KI, as he can play great off the ball. If they can’t get MKG, Rivers is 2nd on my board.
Don’t count out the possibility of Grant trading up to snag a player he really wants. Sessions will probably get us a 20-25 pick and we already have the Hornets 2nd rounder (#31-34). Pick #10 could become pick #7 very easily.
Kevin,
If what we see is true then Ross and Miller will probably move up past early frontrunners like Lamb. I really like the additional size they bring to the table. We can hope for a mistake, but those NBA scouts have some incredibly sophisticated ways of evaluating players. A questionable attitude is usually what drops a talented player backward and I don’t think Byron Scott would tolerate such a pick. That is not to say that I’ve heard anything about bad attitudes out of this draft class so far.
isaac and Chris,
Eventually I’ll profile everyone in the top 15 – 20 picks.
jAG,
I agree with being intriqued by Ross and Miller. I think both could be available from 10 – 15, and I like both more than Lamb right now.
@Chris – yeah I’m not sure we should be looking at the high picks. They just beat the clips without Irving so I feel like 10 and up is more realistic.
Lets say the Cavs continue to play well and end up jumping into, we’ll say the 12-15 range. Do they start to look at Austin Rivers (who is projected to go in that area). With a starting line up for next year looking like
PG Kyrie
SG ?
SF Gee
PF Thompson
C Varejao
don’t we need another scorer? Particularly one as talented as Rivers, in both slashing and shooting. Not to mention, any defensive deficiencies could be made up for by the frontcourt’s defensive presence. I’m not saying I would draft him, but it is something to think about.
Hey I know this is a little off topic but what about trading Sessions to Portland for Wesley Matthews and possibly a protected 1st. I think we could get this done. Mathews has a rich contract 6million this year and has four more yrs but he’s 25. Portland needs an upgrade at the point and Sessions could do that. Mathews would be an upgrade over parker. He shoots 39% from deep and can penetrate a little. No clue about his defense though. If we draft a 2 guard he can come off the bench thats what he does now. Especially… Read more »
I’m a big believer in size and athleticism being the most important things to look for and the hardest things to get. That being said, there comes a point where no matter how gifted a player is, he has to want to be great. Drummond, Perry Jones and perhaps Harrison Barnes all have great skills but I would be worried about taking any of them. MKG seems to want it the most as do Sullinger and Robinson. Beal and Rivers will be good players but will their size limit them? I am very intrigued by Quincy Miller and Terrence Ross.… Read more »
Anthony Davis will be really good. I remember reading David Thorpe on ESPN call him something like Marcus Camby, but more athletic with closer to Joakim Noah’s motor. I was sold then. Kj, MKG is probably the second best defensive player in the draft. I guess while I’m on a semi-quoting David Thorpe kick, his view was that MKG will be the best wing defender in the NBA within the next few years. He’s a well above average rebounder, and I think he’ll be fine offensively in the NBA. I like Henson, but he’s another PF that’s really good at… Read more »
To me Anthony Davis is Dwight Howard in Kevin Durant’s body with Sam Cassell’s good looks. If he can put on some weight (which he should) and can develop some semblance of an offensive game outside of an alley oop, he will be a perennial All-Star. Drummond’s potential is only surpassed by his riskiness. He could be Dwight Howard or Sasha Medvedenko. He and Lamb (and sometimes Barnes) seem to lose focus and intensity for stretches at a time. The positive for the Cavs is that Byron Scott seems to be doing a good job of getting the players to… Read more »
btw, barnes is the exception here as he is highly efficient and projects as a better marvin williams type. good for the cavs at this point…
again, the lack of love for henson staggers me. his upside is equal to anyone not named anthony davis. you touched upon it in yr round-up today and that is finding guys who does one thing as well or better than others. or have a physical attribute that separates you from most guys. i’m sorry but these wing players don’t have that short of maybe the jones boys, perry and terrnace. and they have questionable mental make-up. to many cavs fans are focused on getting a wing player. no, no, a thousand times NO! talnet above need! always! more big… Read more »
Great stuff KH! More and more, I find myself only wanting one of three guys — Anthony Davis, Harrison Barnes and MKG. And then Brad Beal and Drummond would be a nice second tier. @HoopsDogg: I’m not at all certain about this…but here are my thoughts. I don’t know that I would trade Valanciunas for Drummond at this point…so maybe a top-3 pick? I think a lot of the reason Jonas was rated below Derrick Williams, Kanter, etc. was that he wasn’t going to be immediately available. Here’s another slightly less depressing hypothetical: Knowing what we know now, would Kyrie… Read more »
I wonder what it would take from a trade perspective at this year’s draft get Valenciunas…