CtB Reader 5 on 5
2015-02-17I’m super psyched for this piece because we’re featuring the one thing that makes our little corner of the internet superior to all others in the blogaverse: our readers! Last week we polled some of our longest tenured and most prolific commenters to see if they wanted to contribute to the blog, and they graciously accepted. Cols714, Arch Stanton, EvilGenius, Mac, and C6H12O6 (the artist formerly known as Matt Gordon) all responded to our questions and showed what makes our Cavs fans the best Cavs fans. I can’t tell you all how much I enjoyed editing this piece, and how great it is to have you all (and not just these five guys) as readers! Enjoy, everyone!
Who/what is your Cavs fandom “spirit animal?”
C6H12O6: A narwhal for both bizarre and literary reasons. The bizarre being the Narwhal is a near mythical mammal often mistaken for a sea unicorn found in two of my favorite childhood storybooks: 20,00 Leagues under the Sea and Moby Dick. A long suffering Cavs fan might also be accused of being a Unicorn especially during the bad years. I too am a bizarre mammal because I started liking the Cavs in 1979-1980 because their players had unique names (Campy, Bingo, Foots, Willoughby) and Walt Frazier was a wizard even though he was older.
Arch Stanton: The ocelot, also known as the dwarf leopard, is a wild cat from South America. They are really cool, so cool that the band Phish made a song called “Ocelot.” Ocelots were once considered endangered (from 1972 – 1996) sort of like the Cavs were considered endangered (2010 – 2014). The ocelot and the Cavs are back and not going anywhere.
EvilGenius: I’m not a big believer in “spirit animals” for myself per se, but the one that comes to mind for the Cavs this year is the Rhinoceros. Like a rhino’s thick skin protects it against the slings and arrows of hunters and poachers, the Cavs have needed a similarly collective thick skin to keep out all of the external sniping and negativity that surrounds their every move. And while it takes a rhino a little bit to get up a head of steam, once it starts charging it’s nearly impossible to stop. Sounds a lot like how the Cavs have played this year… start slow, but become unstoppable. As the league will likely find out in the playoffs… mess with the rhino and you get the horn…
Mac: I guess it would have to be the goat, since I’m ornery and ill-tempered and live on tin cans and shoe uppers (oops, getting a little too literal), and generally when you think “goat” you think “old goat”, and I am pretty sure I am one of the older posters on CtB. Plus our best player LeBron has to be in the conversation for GOAT when it is all said and done, I still have nightmares about the once and present GOAT MJ making goats out of our beloved late 80’s/early 90’s Cavs and I once ate a spicy goat stew in LA Koreatown that was supposed to get me all fired up for a fun night but instead just made me feel slightly ill, which is kind of like most of my Cavs fandom experience. So yeah . . . goat.
Cols734: Sunshine Bear. I will rain sunshine down on all who dare think this isn’t the best team in the NBA.
Describe your game night ritual.
Mac: I live in Tokyo so game night is actually game morning. While getting ready for work and on the commute, I hit Cav-related commentary on my ESPN Radio favorite teams feed and check CtB on my iPhone to read the pre-game primer and reader comments. If there is a game and work is slow enough I fire up NBA International League Pass (great deal by the way, one of the random side benefits of living overseas) on my personal laptop and try to keep an eye on it and the CtB comments feed while answering emails and doing other work that doesn’t involve too much mental heavy lifting. Usually by lunch the game is over and so I can jump on CtB and agree with whatever guys like EvilGenius and Arch Stanton are saying if things are going good, and write long screeds about how everything is terrible if things are going bad. When commenting I do tend to dwell on the negative more than the positive but I think it’s a self-defense mechanism at this point. Besides, I like being right and if you are a Cleveland sports fan, erring on the side of pessimism has a truly excellent track record of success (or lack thereof, I suppose). Check the history.
EvilGenius: Being on the West Coast, most Cavs games start around 4 or 4:30 PST… so it’s more of a “game afternoon” ritual for me. If possible, I usually try to keep my work schedule light on game day afternoons. I get my (sometimes trusty, sometimes painfully spotty) SlingBox feed of FSO up and running a little early to minimize game lag. Since alcohol intake is mostly frowned upon during the workday, I usually eschew the micro-brews for my other vice… Coke Zero. I also always have almonds of some kind on hand (good for chewing in frustration at excessive ISO, long step-back twos or awful officiating when necessary…). From there, it’s a usually a tightrope walk of work related phone calls and clicking between watching the game and feeding my constant game thread addiction… This year it’s been just as much fun interacting with other commenters as it is watching the Cavs get rolling… although it’s not always good for my day job…
Cols734: Hmm. This is tricky because of mountain time. Mountain time is awesome for the playoffs, not so great for games that start at 7:00 ET. Leave work and get the kids. Get dinner ready while checking my phone for updates constantly but trying not to look like I’m checking my phone constantly. Find it on TV and watch while answering crazy basketball/not-basketball questions from the twins. Otherwise find some crappy stream and try to watch it without going berserk. Ugh. My routine sucks.
C6H12O6: I arrive home from work around 4:30 to prepare dinner for my wife and kids so that I can focus on the game and blog commenting that evening. My efficient time use does not directly influence the on-court result, but I like to convince myself my I can. After they finish eating I try to exercise (yoga, sprinting on the treadmill and bodyweight exercises because I am old). Then, my boys prepare the back tv room for a makeshift court out of our couch and chairs. I try to consume Korean or Indian food pregame because I am superstitious like that. At times I remind myself that I am rigidly flexible in my pregame ritual but it always reverts to my default setting.
Arch Stanton: I do not have a specific ritual as far as wearing fan gear or dressing my dogs in ridiculous outfits. I do have some OCD tendencies though. I tend to record every game on my DVR even though most of the time I am watching the game while it is recording. If the Cavs win the game, I’ll keep it saved and continue to rack up won games on my DVR until that winning streak ends, then I’ll go back and erase every game that I previously recorded.
What’s your favorite Cavs memory?
C6H12O6: Thinking that the trade for Larry Nance would have brought a title to Cleveland. I wanted to be able to block shots and dunk just like him. That has never happened but I blocked and dunked vicariously through employee No. 22.
Mac: Watching the old foundation for blindness public service ads that used to run during Cavs games on NBA on NBC in the early 90’s featuring Gordon Gund and Mark Price. I really loved everything about the Cavs of that era – they played the game the right way and there were so many good players without egos. In a lot of ways they were the proto-Spurs. Too bad that Jordan guy had to ruin everything that was decent and good. Which is galling when you consider he was, and always will be, a real jerk. He was so lucky he played in the pre-Internet, pre-social media era because his fake Air Jordan, family guy persona would get exposed in about 12 seconds today. Gordon Gund and Mark Price were not only not jerks, they were probably the best and classiest human beings in basketball at the time, with the possible exception of David Robinson. Having an owner and star like that made you proud to be a Cavs fan. I still have my hideous but awesome Mark Price jersey that I bought at Champs Sports in Cleveland in 1993, which I intend to pass on to my son. I don’t have a son, but it is important that the Cavs jersey get passed on so I will. And then I will tell him how much I hate Michael Jordan.
Cols734: What’s your favorite Cavs Memory? I have two. Watching LeBron dominate the Pistons in that playoff game where he scored 29 of their last 30 points or whatever. And watching a stream that was behind by about 5 seconds when LeBron hit that game winning buzzer beater vs the Magic. I heard the screams from the apartment next door and I knew something awesome had happened. Oh yeah, and Brad’s Bacon-Cheddar Special. Those commercials are seared into my stomach.
Arch Stanton: The Cavs turning the lights out on the Pistons in the 2007 Eastern Conference finals. The Cavs started the series down two games against Detroit, then after tying it up at home, they turned a corner in Detroit when LeBron dropped the final 29 of 30 points (scoring 25 points in a row) to single handedly beat Detroit in double overtime. I remember Steve Kerr calling LeBron’s performance “Jordanesque.” The Cavs took the series back home and finished off the Pistons when Boobie Gibson lit up Detroit with 31 points (5 for 5 from 3 point land). Rasheed Wallace was so dejected that he also turned out the lights on his team.
EvilGenius: My favorite “live and in person” Cavs memory is being in attendance at the Richfield Coliseum for the closeout Game 7 of the 1992 Conference Semi-Finals when the Cavs beat Larry Bird and the Celtics 122-104.
But my absolute favorite Cavs memory happened when I was on location shooting a movie in Chicago. As fate would have it, we were going to be shooting outside all night during the Cavs pivotal game 5 of the 2007 ECF against the hated Pistons. I was determined not to miss the game, so I wound up having to pull every string and favor I could to get the transportation guys to rig a temporary satellite dish to the top of our trailer just to be able to watch at least parts of it. Since we were shooting a pivotal scene in the movie that night, I only had a short window during the dinner break. Fortunately for me, LeBron started his one-man mission to outscore the Pistons in the fourth quarter just as we went on break. Though I had only intended to watch it by myself… the mesmerizing nature of the performance drew in more and more members of the crew… none of whom were Cavs fans, but many of whom realized the history they were witnessing. By the time the second OT started, we had to start shooting again, but I couldn’t stop watching. Fortunately, the director understood what the game meant to me and took some extra time to rehearse the next scene. In the end, I’m glad I didn’t have to miss what was arguably one of the greatest NBA playoff performances of all time…
What player or team embodies your “Cavs nemesis?”
Cols734: Besides Delly? The Hawks. This idea that you can win without stars is nuts and every year the NBA bloggeratti fall in love with some scrappy team with a great coach and system that ultimately loses to a team with superior talent. See the Pacers of last year, the Bulls of seemingly every year, and the Heat last year with their space and pace offense that ground to a halt when faced with the superior talent of the Spurs.
C6H12O6: The infamous “turning reserves into all-stars players” who often materialize every game — maybe every game during the Cavs franchise existence.
EvilGenius: The Pistons… I have always hated the Pistons with a passion. From the Bad Boys of Laimbeer, Mahorn, Rodman, Dumars and Isaiah… to the Deeeeeeeeetrooooooooit Baaaaaskeeetbaaaaaall teams of Rasheed, Chauncey, Tayshaun and Rip Hamilton. I hated when Rick Mahorn threw that cheap shot elbow at Mark Price’s head, just as much as I hated ‘Sheed’s flagrant elbow that split open Z’s head years later (they were both fined $5K for their dirty play… but it should have been more in both cases). They’re not as hateable or as much of a nemesis anymore, but I’m sure they will be again soon, especially with their young big men.
Arch Stanton: Bizarro LeBron” is the Cavs nemesis. “Bizarro LeBron” is the opposite of LeBron, like “Bizarro Superman” is the opposite of Superman, or even “Bizarro Jerry” being the opposite of Jerry Seinfeld.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcjSDZNbOs0
“Bizarro LeBron” plays in “Chill Mode,” sends his teammates cryptic tweets about “Fitting In,” puts his arm around the Duchess of Cambridge, and hijacks the team’s offense to chuck contested off balanced 3s. He is the Evil LeBron that is known to take his talents elsewhere. If the Cavs can keep “Bizarro LeBron” off this team come playoff time, then LeBron can flourish and this team will not beat itself.
Mac: I guess the most recent Celtics, just because they were awful in every way except on the basketball court, which is exactly the sort of team that always triumphs over the Cavs, it seems. They were led by KG, the most pitifully arrogant bully of a 7 foot tall human being that ever walked the Earth. I remember a softball “Inside the NBA” interview with KG where they asked him what his best quality was, and he sat there for a second and then said “my sense of humor man, people don’t realize how funny I am.” Then Ahmad being a moron asked him to say something funny which is like asking a pretty woman to “do something charming” on command, and he sat there stumped for a while, started to say something, stopped, started to say something, stopped and then just gave up in a very awkward segment. Anyway, I hate KG and he sucks. Doc Rivers I think is the biggest fraud in the sport. He took the best team and won one championship in a window where they could have won three, woo hoo big f’n deal. He is a really good father, I will give him that since he regularly took games off to go see his stupid son play high school basketball and then even gave him a job after college that he by no means deserved. He is just on this side of being a Enron executive level crook if you ask me.
Don’t get me started on Danny Ainge. Or Boston sports fans, or the Sports Guy gushing about how his stupid fake plucky underdog city won only its (approximately) 726th championship in 2008 so he could die happy. That city and all of its sports teams should be folded into a suitcase like George Jetson’s car, thrown on top of a tire fire and set ablaze. But they, of all teams, stymied and intimidated LeBron, cost the pre-Heat LeBron Cavs multiple titles (I am counting the ones he won with the Heat since he would never have left if the Celtics hadn’t given him the whole “hey I need my own Big Three to compete” bright idea) and gave KG the chit he needed to be considered a winner, even though like Peyton Manning, he left a lot of rings on the table to collect the lonely one he got. Anyway they are an obnoxious team that should never have gone over the Cavs but did and set the team back at least five years (it would have been 20 if LeBron hadn’t returned). So I hate them, and they are the perfect historical foil for our Cavs. The Jordan Bulls of course broke our hearts time and again back in the day but they did that to everyone, so I hold that less personally.
When are the Cavs going to win a championship, and against whom?
EvilGenius: At the risk of sounding like I’ve drunk the Cols-aid… I’m going to say the Cavs are going to win a championship this year. I base this on nothing but my own gut feeling (which has certainly been influenced with how they’ve played over the last month). Before the season began, I believed they’d get to the Finals but lose, only to come back stronger next season and win it all. While I think the Hawks present an unexpected challenge, I don’t think they’re unbeatable, and the Bulls (who I thought would be the toughest challenge) also look vulnerable. That leaves the Cavs to play whoever survives the steel cage match that is the Western Conference. If the Warriors prevail… I’m not as high on the Cavs’ chances. But, I don’t think they will. I believe they will get upended by a dark horse team (maybe even in the first round by OKC if they make it in). In the end, I’m going to say that the Grizzlies bear claw their way into the Finals… and the Cavs take them down in 6 games… 4-2.
Arch Stanton: The Cavs are going to win a championship this year against the Golden State Warriors. Kevin Love is going to come back from the All-Star break wearing an eye patch and will play with the toughness of Bill Laimbeer . Love will elevate his game as an all-star contributor and Cavs fans will start to call him “The Governor,” after the charismatic, insane leader from The Walking Dead. Love won’t actually kill anyone like Brian Blake does to the people of Woodbury, Georgia in the Walking Dead. However, he will get underneath other player’s skin, make the often hard foul against other opposing bigs, hold his own in the post, receive a couple of ejections and most importantly Ryan Anderson will never score 30 points against this team again.
Mac: I still don’t think it is happening this year, I don’t see them getting past the Hawks or the Warriors. But I think they will come a lot closer to it than anyone would have expected in early January, which is probably the least positive positive prognostication anybody could make. If they keep Love and Blatt finds a way to use him on offense that doesn’t have him skulking around the perimeter like a cross between a surly teenager and Sam Perkins half the game, I can see them making a couple of tweaks and winning the title next year, probably against the Thunder or the Warriors. I would like them to beat the Clippers in the Finals though, just to give it to Doc Rivers. He deserves it. I don’t know how that man sleeps at night (although I am sure he will respond like Rainier Wolfcastle in “A Star is Burns”, i.e. “on top of a pile of money with many beautiful ladies”, putting me back in my sad little place).
Cols734: This year, against the Warriors. And next year against OKC. And the year after against Houston.
C6H12O6: In true Cleveland fan thinking, the year after I pass away. Hopefully I would be able to see it from a heavenly mezzanine but I am often reminded that God hates Cleveland. Or so the narrative goes, until the title arrives. The team they will beat will be a mediocre but playoff hot franchise that eventually arrives in Las Vegas. There is no question in my mind the NBA will land in Vegas one day and their team will be the fortunate one to deliver the Cavs the title.
This is my favorite post + comments in CtB’s history. Thanks to all you young people.
1976. The first chance at a finals.
Even without Chones, they put a helluva scare into the Celtics. (The Celtics! Aaargh!) I still shake my head about those calls against Thurmond in game 6. Because of the Chones injury, Nate was the one guy they couldn’t afford to lose.
Wait, everyone is going to let it slide that Cols said the reason the Heat, with their pace and space system, lost last year is because the Spurs had more talent than they did?!? what?
He’s kinda like our Joe Biden.
This was a lot of fun, thanks guys! P.S. I am not as angry as my ranty writing might seem to suggest, I just enjoying playing up the vitriol for my own laughs. You know, the way Cols pretends he is this delusionally optimistic person. One assumes.
I have to vouch for Mac. He sent me two drafts and I didn’t realize till I was editing. I picked his more ranty first draft on the Celtics cause I thought it was more entertaining. Hope you weren’t offended, Mac.
Nope! It’s fine. I rewrote the Celtics thing because I thought maybe you might think out and out accusing Rivers of being a crook was a bridge too far, but I stand by my slander of the man. After all, it’s not actionable if it’s true.
I think my inclination to debate Cols all the time is because I see us all as a team, and in team sports a big NoNo is to talk big before you have won anything. I might secretly think the Cavs have an excellent chance to go all the way, but I would never say it out loud.
So I can understand the Cols overenthusiastic thing, but wish he would tone it down. As for the Delly thing, maybe we could all chip in so he can see a good therapist.
If he toned it down… he wouldn’t be Cols…
To your initial point, every team needs that irrational confidence guy who doesn’t accept failure as an option. He’s not always right, but even when he’s wrong he doesn’t stay down for long.
Now if we could just get him to understand the real meaning of the word “panic”… ;)
I have to admit though, after the Sunshine Bear thing I am feeling a lot more charitable toward Cols.
Late to the show here, but had a lot of fun reading this piece! The commenters took over for a day, and we all lived to tell about it!
Can’t wait for the next couple weeks. Gonna be lots of tests on the schedule.
Great job all! Thanks to Nate for making this happen. It was a lot of fun.
Nate and Tom, thanks for including me in this awesome piece! It was so much fun to see all of the similarities and diversity we have as commenters. We’re beyond fortunate to have a forum as spectacular as C:tB to enable our rabid fandom. I also had no idea that Mac was in Tokyo. And I thought my game watching experience was challenging! His favorite Cavs memory also really well put. Those Cavs really were the “proto-Spurs.” I love Cols taking the championship prediction out to the next three years in true Cols-ian fashion. Also love Arch’s “Bizarro LeBron” observation… Read more »
i told my boys you work out in LA in media. just like a little kid, they asked to make sure you dont work on the old wipeout series because it look like people get hurt and they dont want the genius to get a head injury. oh my, kids under 8 have such an active imagination.
Lol… tell them they can rest easy. Most of my work is behind the scenes and well out of harm’s way… ;)
Arch: You forgot the 2010 Bizarro Lebron that suddenly had an elbow injury vs Boston and had to jump pass with < 10s on the clock to a befuddled teammate who was forced to shoot.
Mac: I'm also still bitter over Boston. Add to that they are Simmon's team. Very happy that the Celts and Red Sox are down but I'm sure that won't last much longer.
That would’ve been a great addition. Also thought about including something about LeBrons hairline returning during the AS break.
The hairline thing is really noticeable… especially in the Kia ads…
he needs to shave the head and loose the beard. i bet beyonce will go bonkers if that happens. hova will be angry but really cant say much either
I am hoping Lebron Shaves his head for the playoffs and takes his game to another level (leadership wise, as I don’t think its humanly possible to be more of a freak than he already is). It would be a great statement and period marker on the next phase of his career, “The Championship Years in Cleveland”.
How cool/badass would that be? He could go all Walter White and go bald with a goatee… He’s already got the hat…
My one regret about this piece is that I wasn’t able to find the Mark Price/Gordon Gund Foundation for Blindness commercial. In fact the only thing I could find with both Price and Gund in it was the team picture with Wayne Embry sitting in the middle.
oh i hope you can find it. it might be in the dark corners of the internet or a reddit feed
Cols734: Sunshine Bear. I will rain sunshine down on all who dare think this isn’t the best team in the NBA.
Okay, that was awesome, even though Cols’ delusion drives me crazy.
That was awesome.
Immensely enjoyed this. I hope there can be other posts featuring the commentariat in the future!
Also, I’m curious to hear Mac’s age – I thought it was my dad answering the “favorite Cavs memory” question! He says MANY of the same things.
Thanks Ross. It was a lot of fun. I will make sure to reach out before the next one.
I wil only say that I am in the 35-44 year old male demographic treasured by beer companies and truck manufacturers. For a couple of more years anyway.
I think I sadly have a couple of years on you Mac since I’m about to graduate out of that demographic this summer ;)
I’m at the mid point. But my relational maturity might always be the demographic.
Well then my dad still has you by about 10 years, but you have me by about 15 or so. Still makes sense to me. I grew up on the mid 90s NBA – first games I remember watching. At the time, I loved MJ and the Bulls – pretty much every kid I knew did. I think my dad wanted to disown me. I developed a true Cleveland pro sports allegiance once I was in high school.
not sure if this is the right place to post this but ESPN has a nice article on the Secret Evil Plan of the 76ers…
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12318808/the-philadelphia-76ers-radical-guide-winning
Tells me just how much we DON’T know about what happens behind the scenes with sports teams.
Very interesting article. I don’t find any fault in the strategy the Sixers are employing, and I’m extremely curious to see if it succeeds or not. I think I was (at least generally) aware of much of what the article detailed about their plan, but it’s easier to digest all of the details when it’s all in one place.
Didn’t seem like a radical guide to winning as much as a radical guide to turning the Sixers into a revenue machine.
Yeah . . . as a guy who works as a finance attorney at a firm with tons of PE clients I just found this article starry-eyed and naive. Private equity and finance guys know how to make themselves money. They are not experts at building world class companies, they are experts at targeting badly run companies with useful assets, promising great things to keep existing employees and creditors happy, then taking the assets, stripping down the company of its employees and outstanding debt (by declaring bankruptcy, quite often) and then flipping what is left at a profit. A cynic… Read more »
I don’t think these guys have any desire to win a championship as much as turn a hefty profit at the expense of every other team. They’re fielding competitive teams and providing the product that the networks are paying for with their multi billion dollar TV contracts. If I was another NBA owner, I’d view these guys as leeches.
I tend to agree. The things they are doing and saying about how the short term pain is all for long term gain are the things PE/finance guys do and say whether they intend to save your company or bleed it dry and leave other people to bury the corpse. I am not saying they are definitely in one camp or the other but people need to understand that when Blackstone buys your company, the line of BS and the line of sincerity will sound exactly the same, so caveat emptor. Also, here is who is not sharing the short… Read more »
I’ll be honest. I kind of hate this article. It is remarkably well written, but it also drives me nuts. I’m an analytics guy, but there’s a difference between the Rockets model of analytics and the Sixers model. The Rockets made their improvements with savvy drafting, collecting draft picks, and taking chances. But they always did it within the framework of a decent sized payroll and a desire to actually win. They finished at the edge of the lottery several years in a row. It’s a sustainable method. The Sixers method only works, if 80% of the rest of the… Read more »
i had similar feeling after a not so deep reading. i felt like it was more cherry picking data to confirm a position you are too investing in to alter. you are much more eloquent in writing than i am but clearly on to something.
I wouldn’t say that. As with all of the other contributors to this piece, I thought you did a fine job. “Heavenly Mezzanine” is a damned eloquent turn of phrase.
thanks. i struggle many times on getting context in written and spoken words. if it is science or (the passive voice in writing) i am ok. the sixers piece above that was mentioned really compelled me from a writing stand point. however, i think that the ability to diagnose a problem (like the sixers building efforts) and making people care about it or presenting an alternative solution is really tricky stuff. especially in real time. in the sixers piece, the author cherry picked too much in my opinion. i try not to cherry pick but at times can be really… Read more »
I know what you mean. I often struggle in conversation. I’m lucky that writing gives me a chance to say what’s on my mind, rewrite, reflect, edit, and then finally publish. I am lucky here in that I can actually edit my posts (something I’d like to bring everyone at CtB). In the moment, though? I always wish I’d said things differently.
I am really sick of people patting themselves on the back for not being archaic dinosaurs like Jeanie Buss or Russ Granick and understanding what the Sixers are doing is really smart. Tanking and being a free rider while other people try to be good sports because the league doesn’t really work without a good faith effort to not mail it in unless you are a top five team is really smart, in the way that putting your money in tax shelters in the Bahamas and not paying your share of taxes is smart. It is smart in the way… Read more »
That’s the second smartest piece of writing I’ve read all day after the Atlantic piece about ISIS. This one was much less depressing.
Hey Nate, don’t know if you already know him, but there’s a journalist by the name of Dexter Filkins, he writes for the New Yorker… he’s been an embedded journalist in Iraq and Afghanistan for the past decade. Love his work, seems knowledgeable.
Since you mentioned the ISIS article, I thought I’d pass that name to you for your own use. I’ve enjoyed what Filkins has to say, and he seems to know his stuff.
This is an excellent comment. I might be obliged to borrow the logic when my chemist friends argue with me about why income inequality is not a bad thing net-net. I will think of you when I tell them the original source is my cavs friend in Tokyo.
I think this is a major overreaction to what the Sixers are doing. They have no obligation to “the common good.” They have an obligation to build a long-term winner for their franchise and its fans. Unless you think they don’t care about that (highly doubtful), then I fail to see anything wrong with their strategy. It is a viable one within the rules of the league, and it may end up paying huge dividends.
Ross, we all have an obligation to the common good. That’s why it’s called the common good. Either everyone has an obligation to it, or nobody does, and if nobody does, there is no society. What you are saying is that the Sixers have figured out that short term, they can exploit the fact that if they do not contribute to the common good, other teams will carry them and they can eke out a benefit for themselves without punishment. That is what a free rider is, and that is what they do. We all understand how it works and… Read more »
I appreciate you fleshing out your perspective in more detail. I am not in favor of the free rider. I guess I just don’t see what the Sixers are doing as being free riders. Are the Lakers and Knicks being free riders? They are performing better than those two franchises. When a team “sells” at the trade deadline for cap relief, draft picks, and increased lottery odds, are they a free rider? Wouldn’t it be in the common good for all teams to try to win every game of every year and for each decision they make to lead to… Read more »
No, the Lakers and Knicks aren’t free riders. They’re not keeping a league minimum payroll and just acquiring picks to hawk them for cash. They also were trying to make the playoffs (though perhaps deludedly so).
Well if the Lakers and the Knicks aren’t free riders, and the Sixers are putting out a better product than them currently AND have a brighter future conceivably, I’m back to where I started – good for them, they have vision and a plan. Same can’t be said for other franchises – Knicks (Phil maybe changing this), Kings, Nets, and Lakers (seemingly caught in limbo between two plans).
Yeah, I guess I’m making the Sixers a meta-scapegoat for what I find annoying about society at large, which is not entirely fair. My annoyance is as much with the media’s uncritical view that Hinkie is a visionary genius when it is entirely fair to be skeptical about what he is doing. But to respond to some of your points: “Are the Lakers and Knicks being free riders? They are performing better than those two franchises. ” The Lakers and Knicks are not being free riders. They tried to be as good as possible this year, they usually try to… Read more »
This is amazing and exactly what frustrates me most with this generation. Preach!!!
People respond to incentives. Always have always will. One way to reduce the number of people exploiting loopholes is to reduce the number of loopholes. (Crazy right?). One way you improve income inequality is by expanding opportunity. A huge detriment to the expansion of opportunity is the explosive expansions of laws, codes, and regulation. When you need an armyof lawyers and lobbyists to do anything you create a stifling barrier to entry that funnels opportunity to the ruling class. No wonder the fastest growing zip codes by income surround DC. I think if we all spent less time manufacturing grievance… Read more »
Meh. It’s gone so far beyond loopholes, laws, codes, and regulations. The problem is that the Bill Gates and Rockafellers (not that John D. was a saint) of the world are few, and the robber baron venture capitalists that fail to repatriate capital are many. They will enact the barriers to entry that serve them and lower the ones that don’t. Political maneuvering beyond that is just Kabuki now. Underclassist angst really grinds your gears though, doesn’t it, Tom?
Next up on C:tB: Tom and Nate debate CEO pay!
Heh. Yeah, we fell down a rabbit hole here.
Tom, the problem is that sometimes the “loophole” is having a conscience, or a sense of loyalty. Neither are particularly conducive to profit. And there are lots of things people and corporations do that cannot be solved unless people act intentionally to NOT do what is most profitable for themselves and their shareholders. For example, many corporations people think of as being “American” have legally changed their headquarters to a tax haven country like Ireland. This has no benefit to Americans and can have no benefit for Americans, it cannot create “opportunity”. It just saves the corporation money because Ireland… Read more »
I think the Gates and Carnegie’s of the world are too small of a sample to use to cast broad strokes on an entire generation.
Should I feel bad that i didn’t pay sales tax on my amazon purchases all these years?
Yeah, to paraphrase Nate went deep down the rabbit hole with this one.
Agreed. I am not against analytics, but one thing people need to understand is that the same smart guys who just love analytics to death and poo-poo stone age thinking like looking at the reality as well as the numbers are precisely the same kind of people who caused the 2008 financial meltdown. It’s like the old episode of The Simpsons, “Homer the Heretic” . . . f you believe everyone in the world is stupid besides yourself, your house is probably already on fire.
Bizzaro LeBron was pretty good too.
Agree with Cols. Bizzaro LeBron is kind of like a comic book plot contrived to keep the Cavs from waltzing to the title. Kind of like God inventing whiskey to keep the Irish from ruling the world.
my kids havent seen as many bizarro lebrons as us regular fans that remeber his first stint in a cavs uni
This was fun. Thanks!!! We all apparently loved the LeBron takeover of the Pistons. I also love the hatred for the Celtics. It’s awesome.
Funniest line? C6H12O6 “the year after I pass away”
i hope i am wrong. dead wrong
I know how you feel C6H1206! My dad’s been saying something like this for years… and now he’s 71 and fighting liver cancer. For his sake, I hope they win it all this year so none of us ever have to feel that way again…
oh man. we need to send him and the cavs all of cols positivity so he can witness it. now i want it to be this year…
I hope you’re live wrong.
my family does too. i doubt many cared about this but 2010 was the best year to die in recent memory. if your estate was large enough you didnt get the estate tax. i think george steinbrenner died that year and the internet had a conniption fit. i plan on living and i dont have much of an estate so the government if they are listening to the blog comments wont have much of a case.
Ocelot! One of my favorite bits in Archer for Arch Stanton…. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHCw1qr_oR4
Great read. Who knew the Cavs fan base was so diverse and talented.
Thanks for including me in this. I have a better idea to put names with my image of their personalities. The commenting crew will be present in my living room when my boys ask about the regulars. things like “how is the genius doing?” and “are mr nate and tom posting yet?” as for the others, my boys yet to have a handle for a name. give them time, they look for any excuse to stay up past 830 pm on cavs game night. in a unique twist, now i have mental images of all the memories the guys have… Read more »
What Korean food do you eat?
I have had over 20 dishes and 15 different kimchi’s, but here are my favorites:
1) dol sot bib bim bap (extra gochujjang)
2) kimchi jjigae
3) any galbi
4) haejang guk
5) Jjajangmyeun (spelling is off i bet)
6) bulbobi and japcahe
7) Miyeok guk
sorry for butchering the spelling. the food is tremendous but kimchi is still my favorite. it goes on hot dogs and scrambled eggs weekly at my house
what are your? any specific dishes i must try next?
if i cook at home, it is 1, 2 or 6. my japchae is not very good so i have work to make sure it is not too liquidy.
I love Galbi and Bulgogi. Korean BBQ rocks!
There’s an enormous Korean population in Anchorage, where I grew up, and a few Korean restaurants (probably more now than then). I enjoy some of the cuisine, but the thought of the kimchi gives me fiery nightmares.
yeah, the stuff that gave you problems is called gochugaru (my spelling is off). it is high on the scoville scale. the other problem is the fermented cabbage and hot pepper spice mixed with garlic and fish flavors are really a born with it taste or you develop it because you have to.
Don’t tell my Dad that. He still lives in Anchorage and loves it all. Of course, I don’t know many foods he doesn’t love.
totally random thought here, but was your dad elated when the cavs drafted trajan shaka langdon? i always thought he put anchorage alaska basketball on the map. of course that is dating my age because i am just 2 years older than he is
Trajan’s a year younger than me, and to say he was HUGE in Anchorage is an understatement. Dad was a basketball fan back then, but he worked nights, so it was a lot harder for him to follow basketball (even though most NBA was on in the afternoon, if you’re four hours behind — but he was asleep). Also, he didn’t really have a team since he always gravitated to New Orleans or Kansas City and the Jazz moved to Utah and the Kings moved to Sacramento. Wichita State, his hometown team, were in the midst of a two decades… Read more »
that great alaska shootout was must see tv. in ohio there was alot of debate about the thugs at cincy and street ball vs. coach k elegance. one writer here called coack k “poetry in motion”. yeah, it was deep drama. i hope one day my boys will get to see that kind of epic college games. but you are right the one and done really dealt that the mortal kombat finishing move. spine rip out variety too. your reference to the original jazz and kings took me down memory lane. they had unique uniforms and i learned about their… Read more »
Glad you enjoy Korean food Chemist! My mom’s Korean… I used to hate her food when I was younger, now it’s almost all I eat.