Cavs: The Duels – Debating the Hack-A-Shaq Rule
2015-04-29During the second half of Clippers v. Spurs Game 3 (which ironically featured two major players in the the use of the “Hack-A-Shaq” tactic: DeAndre Jordan and Gregg Popovich), the ESPN sports ticker declared that Adam Silver had come out to say that he expects the league to have “full-throated” conversations about the “Hack-A-Shaq” rule in the off-season.
Here was his exact quote to ESPN.com, minutes before the tipoff of Friday night’s Game 3 in the Dallas Mavericks-Houston Rockets series:
“It’s something that I’m on the fence about. My thought used to be that we should definitely change the rule, and then having sat through several general managers meetings, competition meetings and having heard from some of the game’s very best, the view is the players should hit their free throws. That’s changed my view a little bit.
Having said that, when I watch some of these games on television, frankly, it’s not great entertainment for our fans, and that’s important as well. What I’ve said is we have another general managers meeting coming up in May, we have a competition committee meeting in June, and I’m sure it’s going to be a hot topic of discussion.
Then, we have an owners meeting in July, so I think at all three of those meetings we’re going to be having full-throated conversations about what the right rules should be going forward.”
This led to a spirited email debate between C:tB-ers David Wood and EvilGenius (neither of whom shares the Commissioner’s fence-sitting ways) over the merits and detractions of the use of the tactic in the NBA.
Here are some excerpts:
DW: The hacking should stay. How many thousands, even millions, are these men paid to shoot a ball. Make a free throw or perish. It’s dumb to change the game because some people are poor at an aspect of it. What if football allowed poor QBs free possession tries with zero pressure, a mulligan of sorts? That would not fly. Free throws are just as integral to basketball as four downs are to football.
EG: Honestly… as a fan, I could give a (expletive) about how much they get paid to shoot a ball. I care about my own enjoyment in watching a game, and there is NOTHING more annoying than the whole hack-a-whoever. It’s just an excuse for not playing solid defense, and a gimmick for coaches to exploit to make themselves look like geniuses. It’s lame and it should be done away with.
DW: I’m so for it. It makes me angry that I’m forced to watch a poor product because some professional athletes don’t learn a part of the game. That part of the game also happens to be about a fifth of scoring every evening.
EG: I don’t follow… If you’re for it, but it pisses you off that you’re slowed by people who don’t learn (or can’t learn) that part of the game… then why would you be in favor of the rule? Yes, players get paid millions to play the game. The reason why they get paid millions is because millions of people pay millions of dollars each year to watch them play. These people generally don’t want to see games slowed to a crawl because of this exploitation of a rule that was perpetrated by Don Nelson after they changed it to stop Wilt Chamberlain from having to play chicken with guys at the end of games.
[Wilt does himself no favors here by standing an extra five feet behind the line… but this is what he was forced to do after the NCAA and NBA banned the dunking of free throws…]
You may not like guys who can’t hit the majority of their free throws, but most fans want (or wanted) to see guys like Chamberlain, Rodman, Shaq, Dwight Howard and, most recently, DeAndre Jordan do what they do best… rebound, block shots, defend and play the game. Nobody (even the defenders of the rule like you) wants to see these guys get fouled away from the ball to slow things down and watch them try to make free throws.
Free throws are the extra points, field goals and kickoffs of the NFL. They are boring. They stop the flow of the game. Sure, they’re a part of the scoring, but there’s more than enough of them within the regular gameplay. Intentionally fouling off the ball is basically just a declaration that you cannot stop the other team without employing this tactic. It’s cheap. It’s annoying. And it should be abolished.
DW: You say, “Free throws are the extra points, field goals and kickoffs of the NFL.” I want to throw out the fact that many times a game comes down to a made extra point, or field goal. They’re important to the game.
I have a right to be angry at the players that don’t know how to shoot free throws. Here’s my next comparison. In college, there is always the one kid in a class who doesn’t understand something. Or, there’s an entire class that doesn’t understand Foucault’s “Panopticon.” When you finally figure out the meaning of Foucault, which in this case is the NBA free throw, you feel exhilaration. Why would you take that aspect of the game from someone? You are robbing them of a chance to succeed. Coincidentally, the free throw holds as much power over guys like DeAndre Jordan as a panopticon does over criminals.
Also, I would argue that fouls like the ones made in transition slow the game more and rob fans of exciting plays just as much as Hack-A-Shaq does. When Matthew Dellavedova fouls on a fast break to stop a superior player, we call it a smart play! Why isn’t it smart to send a guy to the line whose average points per possession when shooting free throws is less than the average points per possession of his team’s offense. If the hacked player could just hit 60% of his free throws the strategy falls apart. The Clippers put up 1.084 points per offensive possession, which is tops in the league to date. Hitting just one of two free throws on a trip to the line is one point per possession, which is good for 24th in the league. Hit 75% (which would be good for 1.50 points per possession/NBA domination level) of your free throws and your offense is blazing if your team is being hacked.
EG: …except that your Foucault comparison deals solely with a cognitive understanding of theory and information, rather than the physical aptitude required to become a skilled free throw shooter. Most of the poor free throw shooters in question (the hackees if you will) are not just bad at shooting free throws… they are bad at shooting period. They are predominantly back to-the-basket big men who don’t have the mechanics to shoot or score the ball outside of the paint (some not outside of dunking range).
I would argue that if you particularly want to stop them from scoring, then just foul them when they have the ball or are about to shoot it. Intentionally fouling them away from the basket isn’t designed to stop them… it’s designed to disrupt the rhythm of a team’s offense, or prevent their better shooters from scoring the ball. By employing the tactic, you’re essentially waving the white flag, saying your defense isn’t good enough on its own merits to stop the other team’s offense. And fouls in transition only slow the game down when the refs feel the need to check them on the monitor for “clear path” which is an entirely different rule that should be looked at again. The United States is the only country in which this problem exists. FIBA simply doesn’t allow intentional fouling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqSxWPkblR4
[Waving the white flag on defense? Or just the other team’s head on a stick?]
DW: Free throws are more mental than anything. It’s about understanding how to focus on just the mechanics of them. How many stories have we heard about these bad free throw shooters sinking them in practice? A free throw is much different than a regular shot for most players, unless the player takes a set shot. I disagree about saying that the team can’t stop the other team using their defensive merits. They are stopping them by hacking. The score board supports that statement. Fouling in transition also slows a team’s rhythm. That’s the entire point of it. It is the same as fouling a crappy free shooter. Same purpose. It reduces points. I’m not familiar with the FIBA rules on off-ball fouling. Although, I notice when I watch FIBA games that Euro bigs shot the ball much better than American bigs.
EG: While I agree that there is a mental component to free throw shooting, they are not more mental than anything. They have just as much to do with things like mechanics, trajectory, hand size and motion. The only stories I’ve heard about a bad free throw shooter doing better in practice is Shaq (and I don’t subscribe to hearsay regarding stories about Shaq), and now the above Lakers’ grease board evidence (although, what’s to say D12 didn’t sneak in there with a sharpie to add a “1” in front of the 252, and turn the “3” into an “8” for the percentage).
Hacking is not a defense. It takes skill to defend another teams’ best players. Anyone can just go out and hack a guy. In fact, when coaches employ this tactic, they usually populate their lineup on the floor with bench players and scrubs who are only there for hacking purposes. I feel it’s just as lazy a defensive strategy as you feel missing free throws is lazy. And the scoreboard actually doesn’t bear out, since the clock is stopped regardless. In fact, according to FiveThirtyEight Sports, (even though the sample size they utilize is fairly small) the hack-a-whoever defense is actually pretty futile in affecting the final score of a game.
The NFL allows teams to accept or decline penalties… maybe the NBA should do the same. Teams could just decline the foul (it would still count against team fouls) and take the ball out from the side.
DW: Still, the hack-a-whoever defense does something. Even if it’s a very small difference maker on the score board, the disruption and mental damage it does to a team is immeasurable.
If they let teams just take the ball from the side, what is stopping a team that’s up from fouling off the ball the last two minutes or even eight minutes of the game to prevent a comeback? A bench is 12 guys. Usually eight play. That’s 24 free fouls right there. That’s almost three minutes of action stoppage.
EG: The last two minutes rule established during the Hack-A-Wilt days would still be in effect where the team would get to accept the foul, choose who gets to shoot the free throws and get the ball back. The side out is just one solution. It could simply just be a technical foul (which could be shot by player of team’s choosing) in addition to the two shots by the hackee. Or, what if instead teams were limited to one off-the-ball hack and the second is a tech (like illegal defense calls)?
DW: The technical foul part would stop the hacking. What if you shot under fifty percent at the charity stripe, you have to try an unorthodox shooting style for free throws? League mandate.
[Ironically, these examples include both Wilt and future hack-a-tormentor Don Nelson.]
EG: I would have no problem with that, provided the free throws were the result of fouls within the flow of the game and not intentional fouls.
Commentariat, which side of the issue do you fall on? Or do you prefer a spot on the fence with Adam Silver? Chances are… he’s not all that stoked about figuring it all out…
I really don’t see why this is much of an issue at all. Setting aside the abstract arguments for and against, there are only a small handful of active players who are sufficiently bad free throw shooters (which I would consider around 60% and lower) that teams resort to hack-a-shaq when they are in the game. They fall into the following four categories: 1. Deplorable blights upon humanity – J.J. Hickson, Josh Smith, Dwight Howard, Rajon Rondo 2. Rival up and coming big men – Andre Drummond, Nerlens Noel TBD Joel Embiid / Jahlil Okafor 3. Irrelevant for all intents… Read more »
I appreciate your rhetoric, Mac, but not only is your argument against changing the rule (or in reality just enforcing the intent of the rule as it was created originally) riddled with bias against a) players you don’t like, and b) players that could be a threat to the Cavs, it also misses the point of what I’ve been saying. I’m not proposing changing or enforcing this rule to protect any of these four categories of players. I’m proposing changing or enforcing this rule to prevent teams from using it as a lazy and cheap method of trying to gain… Read more »
I hope Hack-a stays around because I have a fond wish that some player from eastern europe with a completely unpronounceable name will come into the league sporting a 20% free throw, but who is too good otherwise to remove from the court. I want to listen to announcers trying to say “hack-a-(unpronounceable)”. Please, NBA, I don’t ask for much, give me this.
http://www.sportando.com/en/usa/ncaa/156475/canadian-basketball-player-allowed-to-use-fuck-last-name-on-his-no14-jersey.html
How about Canadian born Brazilian?
Lol… this seems like an Onion story…
We could call it the Fuck-been-struck strategy.
I just think it’s absurd to say a team can’t use a certain strategy. If you keep hacking someone, you’re going to rack up fouls. And the argument that the person fouling is “the 8-12th person in the rotation” is meaningless. They are still in the rotation. If they foul out, the rotation gets shorter. Other guys have to play more minutes. You get into the penalty much sooner and then better players are at the line for non-shooting fouls. I just think it’s absurd to implement a rule that protects a team from a weakness. If you want DeAndre… Read more »
And if you eliminate the hack-a-player strategy, you absolutely have to eliminate fouling in the final 2 minutes. And I ask… how do you do that? How does a team down 5 do anything but forfeit if they can’t foul in a close game late where they need to hope the other team misses free throws in order to catch up?
You can’t implement a rule that eliminates that, so you can’t implement a rule that eliminates hack-a-player. You just can’t.
Read the rulebook. Any intentional foul on a player other than the ball-handler in the last two minutes of each quarter of a game is an automatic two shots and possession. That rule actually makes sense and was even enforced in a game this post-season (I think between the Pelicans and GSW).
Foul the guy with the ball. That’s all I’m suggesting. If you want to make big men like DeAndre go to the line, then wait until he has the ball in his hands and foul him before he can pass or score. Very simple.
Last night, the Spurs used 19 fouls from their bench players. Only Aaron Baynes fouled out. Only Kawhi had more than three amongst the starters. It’s not meaningless that teams have an abundance of fouls from bench players who play limited minutes and don’t necessarily factor into the outcome if they foul out. The absurdity is not implementing (or as Joey B mentioned) enforcing a rule the way it should be, but in perverting or exploiting the rule in the first place. You may think entertainment value is a weak argument, I disagree. And, judging by how seriously Adam Silver… Read more »
You know, the rules in place actually work, if implemented. Any foul that is “unnecessary” is a flagrant foul. An intentional foul away from the ball that is not an attempt at a basketball defensive move is a flagrant foul. You get shots and the ball. The problem is that, for whatever reason, the nba has decided that flagrant fouls actually mean its not a basketball play AND you’re trying to hurt somebody. However, that’s not actually the rule. This goes back to the Kevin Love debate we’ve been having and which is driving me crazy. That “playoff” basketball means… Read more »
I agree with this point, Joey B. This may be the fairest, most reasonable way to address the situation. Rather than change the rule, the NBA can simply change the interpretation of the rule. An intentional foul away from the ball that is not an attempt at a basketball defensive move is a flagrant foul and you get shots and the ball. Would certainly discourage the perversion of the rule.
Joey b for the win. That solves both the worry about adding a rule to an already crowded rule book and actually makes logical sense instead of catering to tastes. I’m on board. Someone tweet Adam silver a link
I doubt if there is any data on shooting being harder for big men. The only people who can’t shoot but can make a team are really big guys. As for shooting ability, some people get it, and some don’t. Many people, at about age 13, “get it”; the flick of the wrist that produces a high soft shot that is true, and “rim friendly”. It appears to be very hard to teach. Many NBA players who cannot shoot a foul shot (like DeAndre) have obviously been coached at great length, but totally do not get it. You can tell,… Read more »
my opinions are likely biased by how invested I am in the idea that the analysts “proving” that Hack-a-Shaq is futile are being lazy at best. That said, I kind of LOVE when teams start employing “hack-a-shaq”. I mean it’s great drama! You are basically legally taunting the poor free throw shooter. You are in fact saying, there are a whole lot of reasons this could backfire, but we don’t believe in you. And then that guy has to go up, with everyone in the world thinking about only one thing “is he going to make it or miss it.”… Read more »
Remind me… were the Agent Zero free throws a result of an intentional foul? Was Kawhi the victim of “hack-a-Leonard”? My point is that I agree completely that free throws can provide drama (mostly at the ends of games as your examples – even the Hoosiers one) and am all for that. Free throws taken as the result of a “hack-a-whoever” tactic are neither dramatic nor all that interesting typically. For every Wallace glaring at SVG reference, there are scores of perfunctory, slow the game down, boring outcomes of intentional fouling…
No one has ever made a 41 minute quarter sound so appealing. Congrats on that one, Tom.
James Harden hasn’t made a total mockery. The guy has a brilliant Euro step move. I’m actually surprised more players aren’t copying his move. All he is doing is varying the stride lengths he takes for his steps every time, and if you guess wrong you’re out of position or blocking his path. I love watching Harden.
I don’t like watching it but strongly feel the onus should be on making free throws. As long as there are thoughts of changing the rule around this players will not put the necessary work into improving free throw %. I like the strategic part of the game just don’t enjoy watching it but if I care about the outcome you bet I am going to watch it anyway.
Are any of the commenters here 7 feet tall? There’s a lot of talk about how players should just make their free throws, but it’s inherently more difficult for a huge human being to make free throws than shorter human beings. Nate’s quote above touches on at least a part of it: the geometry of the problem makes it more difficult. There’s probably also a difference in depth perception because of the different angle and probably even a difference in the natural coordination of people with tremendously large bodies. Anyway, I agree with EvilGenius that it’s just so BORING watching… Read more »
Here’s the thing about being 7 feet tall. That is a distinct advantage in the game. Yeah, free throws are harder. Its also harder to block shots when you’re 5’9″, but we don’t give short guys little tramponlines in the paint to help them out. The history of the NBA is filled with guys who made millions of dollars for being seven feet tall and with no other skill. You think any NBA team would pay Kendrick Perkins two dollars to play for their team if he was only 6 feet tall? I mean, if its so hard to make… Read more »
Now that I reread my first paragraph, I can see why you’d respond with that. My real point was that it seemed a lot of people feel poor free-throw shooters are “disrespecting the game,” and I don’t think that’s the case. I think they’re at a natural disadvantage in that regard, just as a 6 footer is at a natural disadvantage at blocking shots. If we’re not mad at 6 footers not being able to block shots, maybe we shouldn’t be mad at 7 footers who can’t shoot free throws. I think it’s goofy that someone away from the ball… Read more »
Problem with your argument is that it doesn’t matter whether it is inherently more difficult for a 7 footer to make free throws. Rondo used to get hacked as well. It is an exploitation of a player’s weakness to make them shoot free throws when they are bad at them, and it’s absurd to make a rule to mitigate that weakness. In an ideal competition it would not even be a discussion. However, due to the fact that the nba is entertainment and not war, I am beginning to see the reasoning behind the thought of taking the hackashaq off… Read more »
I don’t see it as making a rule to mitigate that weakness. I think the current rules make poor foul shooting more of a penalty than it should be. A change in the rule would be a step towards the ideal rules of the game.
I vote not to change the rules of the game. If they are afraid of their player(s) being fouled and not able to make more than 50% of their free throws then take them out of the game.
Another bulls**t argument is it slows down the game. While true, it is not the only reason for a slow game. if it weren’t for the tv time outs the game would move along much quicker. Of course that can’t happen because the advertisers pay their salaries.
You say bulls**t, I say relevant… The third quarter in last night’s playoff game was interminable. I don’t have the exact breakdown yet on the time per quarter, but the game itself took nearly three hours. For reference sake, there was a game in early February between the Clips and the Raptors (that J.A. Adande referenced in a TrueHoop piece) where the Raptors were behind by 20 in the third quarter. They employed hack-a-DJ and he went to the line 16 times in the quarter. The quarter took 41 minutes to play (41!!), and at the end of it, the… Read more »
And in hindsight, I should have included J.A.’s brilliant quote from his article in my argument…
“Fouling a man without the ball is like walking someone who’s sitting in the dugout.”
That is like saying that throwing an orange is like eating an apple. The two are skewed concepts.
No, it’s just referring metaphorically to how stupid intentional fouls have become in this tactic…
Unless Adande meant that foulin. Someone on the opponent’s bench and making them come in and shoot the free throws is like walking someone in the dugout. Then he would be spot on. But then that’s not allowed is it?
Metaphors are not literal…
First of all, it’s a simile. And second of all, a metaphor is used for comparison, not exaggeration or to prove something absurd
You got me… it’s a simile. But it still can be used for exaggerated comparison. The point is that both things are equally silly…
And my point was that both things are not equally silly. Like comparing eating an apple with throwing in orange. He was actually comparing two very unlike things.
This shouldn’t even be a debate. I am all for rule changes that protect players’ physical well being. I am all for rule changes that keep games from taking 6 years to complete because of the need for replay time etc. But EG your whole basis for arguing removes the idea that skill is a necessary component of basketball. We don’t watch basketball like we watch fake wrestling. At least I dont. Entertainment value is there inherently because of the lack of a script. Allowing teams to try multiple approaches that do not result in wild injuries like we saw… Read more »
No, Scotch, my whole basis for arguing removes the idea that excessive free throw shooting due to intentional fouling (hacking takes zero skill by the way) is a necessary component of basketball. You’re suggesting that taking this tactic away would essentially make basketball more scripted and more like fake wrestling? That’s laughable. I’m all for big men developing their game and learning how to shoot free throws better, but just in the normal flow of the game. You want to expose them and put them on the line? Great, foul them when they have the ball or are about to… Read more »
I am saying that making a rule to protect a guy from his flaws DOES make basketball just that much more scripted. It removes a strategy for one side of the competition.
And I say perverting the rule that exists results in even more scripted results. You can predict exactly when the hack-a-whoever tactic is going to be used in a game these days. NBA coaches are just following the script that was provided by Don Nelson and his predecessors who fouled Wilt…
And please explain to me just how much skill it takes to hack a guy versus actually playing good defense against him (apparently you have to have good hugging skills like Bonner did last night as seen in the headline pic of this article).
I didn’t ever say that it takes skill to hack someone…not sure where you pulled that from. If you are saying “protecting a free throw shooter from his flaw is no different than protecting a defense from its flaws” I would lean toward agreein with you for the first time on a point you have made…but there are two benefits to hacking: less points for the other team AND more possessions for your offense because the clock stops. Even if you CAN defend a team well, the added possessions are a benefit of not letting the other team run out… Read more »
I pulled it from my comparison in my earlier point about the skill of making a free throw versus the skill of just hacking someone intentionally to make them shoot that free throw. Didn’t mean to imply that you were making that point, just posing it to you as a question. I’m glad you lean toward agreeing that protecting a shooter from his flaw is no different than protecting a defense from its flaws. Your second benefit points out exactly the problem I have with the tactic in the first place. The tactic is not designed or implemented so much… Read more »
And also, your argument that ANYONE can learn to make free throws at a 65% clip goes against your skill argument. You or I with enough practice could go out to the local park, gym or driveway and make 65% of our free throws. I don’t know about you, but I don’t have the skill to dunk a basketball, block a 7 footer, play defense against a 250 lb power forward, read a defense to make a tough pass into the paint or out to an open shooter or drain a contested jumper with two guys draped all over me.… Read more »
You are saying exactly what I meant by skill…aka something that can be developed, not something you are born with innate ability to do. Skill building is open to all.
Yes it is… Doesn’t mean I want to watch people who haven’t developed it do it incessantly in games…
So their coach can bench them or subject is to having to watch him do it. Do they make rules in tennis about not being a pusher because it extenda matches? Do they not let delly shoot his floaters because it is displeasing to the eye? The game slows and is less like the sports ballet you imagine it to be, but it isn’t supposed to be pretty, it is supposed to be competitive. Removing someone’s valid strategy for your aesthetic taste seems weird, I guess. And cheap. No matter if you think that strategy is weird and cheap
Again, it’s more about the flow of the game. Your tennis analogy does not stop the action of a tennis match. Your Delly analogy does not stop the flow of the game. My point is less about aesthetics and more about engagement and entertainment. I don’t imagine it to be a “sports ballet” as you wrongly labeled my view of the game. And having teams actually have to play defense against other teams instead of enacting this tedious tactic is absolutely more competitive than stopping the game repeatedly to have a guy try and make free throws. I don’t believe… Read more »
Man, I agree with just about everything EvilGenius argues on the Hack-a-Shaq rules — it’s cheap, gimmicky, dishonorable, an affront to prideful defense, etc… Nothing but an exploitation of the rules. But when it comes down to it, per Adam Silver: “the view is the players should hit their free throws”. Yeah, in the end, they really should. Any schmoe should be able to hit 60% of their free throws with as much practice as a pro athlete gets. What’s the bigger issue here and which is easier to fix: the league’s weird rules regarding fouls or the fact certain… Read more »
I’m a little miffed at you two for excluding my most crucial contributions to the debate. Perhaps you didn’t realize how important they were. NBA big men are quite simply too proud, and coaches too afraid to confront them, to try the easiest fix to their free throw woes: the granny style shot. I have to say that EG’s argument falls flat on its face when you consider there is a possible fix that these players are quite simply too proud to try, even though simple physics and trigonometry predicts the granny shot would work much better. I have to… Read more »
I’m not sure the NBA would recover if big men were shooting granny style league wide!
Apologies for not including your contributions to the debate, Nate. My argument is predicated mainly on fan enjoyment of the game. I do not, as a fan of the NBA, want to watch any part of “hack-a-whoever,” not the intentional fouling, not the big men trying to make free throws, not the interminable wait of having the game slow to a crawl while these things happen. Fundamentalists like yourself and David may disagree… but I’m a fan because of the entertainment value the game of basketball brings to my life and not because I care desperately about the fundamentals of… Read more »
This is amazing. And yet so true. I feel like this is what Adam Silver needs to push at the offseason meetings — how much more entertaining would the NBA be if all the Biggest of the Big Men started shooting free throws like that?? ROFLMFAO
I advocate for the underhand shot with my unorthodox shooting idea for guys who make under fifty percent of their free throws. Also, they need to allow you to bounce your shot off the ground once for 1.5 points per free throw.
If you don’t want DeAndre Jordan to get hacked, don’t put him in the game. You shouldn’t be able to benefit from his great defense and rebounding but not be affected by his poor FT shooting.
There’s also a downside to hacking… players get in FOUL TROUBLE.
Yes… usually players who are 8-12 on a team’s bench…