6-On-6: Free Agency Edition
2015-07-08This year’s NBA Free Agency period has been unlike any other with bags, bushels and Brinks trucks full of cash being handed out to literally anyone and everyone who can navigate a roundball. And the biggest name hasn’t even signed yet, let alone begun to negotiate his deal with his hometown team. Fortunately for the Cavs, in contrast to his two previous stints as a Free Agent, LeBron James is in full on “chill mode.” LBJ has the luxury of kicking back with his pals in the Bahamas, content to wait to see how many untold millions his Klutch Sports co-client, Tristan Thompson, can furiously pull down like so many offensive rebounds.
Still, plenty of other names, both big and small, have cashed in on the pre-cap-explosion extravaganza, and while many have been content to stay put, several others have made for greener pastures. For this supersized, “cash money” edition of 6-On-6 (in the spirit of Free Agency, why go 5-On-5 when you can get one more?), we discuss the best fits, the worst fits, just how explosive the Canadian Dynamite situation is, whether the Cavs can afford any more swish from J.R., who else they might shake out of the woodwork with CavsDan’s tree of money, and (per Nate’s suggestion) get creative on how the Haywood contract could really be used…
1) Who was the best Free Agent signing so far?
Nate Smith: We talking best Player? Value? Fit? Best player is clearly Aldridge who anchored that Portland team for years, and is a top 15 NBA player. Do I think he made a mistake going to a team with an ancient backcourt? Yes, but he’ll carry the torch, and he, Danny Green, and Kawhi will be a great core even when Duncan, Manu, and Parker retire. Best value is Kyle O’Quinn, who was buried on an awful Magic team last year. He was still in the top 25% for defensive field goal percentage at the rim, and has shown that he can be a defensive presence when motivated. He also has a nice mid-range game from 3-10 feet (49%), and a shot out to the three point line (28%). He will be perfect in the triangle. At $4 mil a year? He’s a bargain. Best Fit? DeMarre Carroll, who does everything Toronto needs, and lets Terrence Ross come off the bench.
Robert Attenweiler: Locking up Kevin Love for $110 million over five years could turn out to be a real coup for the Cavs. The Cavs will be in salary hell for the rest of LeBron James’s career, so it’s not so much that Love’s deal gives the team so much more room to maneuver. What it does, though, is two-fold: for the team, it’s addition by subtraction of any of them, including Love, having to talk about where Kevin Love might sign next year and, should Love prove more comfortable with his role in Cleveland this season, the Cavs have locked up James’s second and third options for several years on what will look like very reasonable contracts when the salary cap starts climbing.
David Wood: If we’re discussing the best overall contract (money and skill count equally), I’m going to go with the Spurs re-signing Danny Green for four years, $45 million. Green is in his sixth NBA season, but he had two scratch years in Cleveland, and has never played more than 30 minutes a game for a season. He has also played about 74 games every year with the Spurs. That’s pretty damn durable, and I’m sure that at least four of the missed games each season were Pop’s treat. Furthermore, Green has shot over 40% from 3-point land for five straight seasons. He has the mind and skills of a 28 year old, and the body of a 24 year old. I don’t know any context where that isn’t sexy. His shooting is going to age well, and if he gets old man strength, his great defense might even let him stop some of the smaller 4s in the league. Some haters might say he is a product of the “Spurs System,” but who cares? The Pistons just gave Reggie Jackson, “no one else on my team has a first step,” $80 million over five years. The Raptors gave DeMarre Carroll, “my open threes were a product of Korver’s God-like court gravity,” $15 million a year. Everyone is a product of some system. The league is messed up right now, and fortunately for the Spurs, Green got shafted.
Mallory Factor: I know the popular answer here is probably either LaMarcus or some bargain FA. But the answer should really only be one signing — Greg Monroe. LaMarcus is great, and even with the cap jump, some of these FA signings have been absurdly expensive (meaning bargains like David West, Lou Williams, Jae Crowder, and Patrick Beverly will look THAT much cheaper next year) but in reality, only a couple teams jumped serious notches due to their FA signings, and above and beyond all the rest is Milwaukee. What was once a team lacking any interior scoring, consistent motor, and post youth, now has all three. Monroe may not be a stud defender, but he’s capable, and he’s never played for a competitive team. If (and when) Milwaukee starts to slide into the upper echelon of NBA teams (and trust me, as Parker, Giannis, and Middleton progress, they will) having the steady Monroe with that trio will only make them that much formidable. Watch out, Cavs — Milwaukee’s-a-comin’. (Oh yeah, shout out to Nate’s fav — Thad Young. Dude signed a very reasonable contract. Brooklyn may have a steal on their hands).
Cory Hughey: The Spurs not only added an elite stretch big in his prime by wooing LaMarcus Aldridge, but they also castrated a conference contender in the process, and sent the Blazers to lottery land. As far as the best bargain, I’m going with Bismack Biyombo to the Raptors on a two-year, $6 million deal. Biyombo is an elite rim protector (2.9 blocks/36 minutes), and he’s going to get paid less than a fifth of what Tristan Thompson is going to sign for. He was underused in Charlotte, and should be able to soak up many of Amir Johnson’s minutes at a bargain rate.
.@Raptors Sign @bismackbiyombo0 To 2-Year, $6 Million Deal http://t.co/Q56Rj8uofv pic.twitter.com/Ck5TzZwQLC
— SLAM (@SLAMonline) July 4, 2015
EvilGenius: Though it’s kind of a cheat (and also kinda boringly brilliant) the two biggest signings also happened to be the first two made once the clock struck midnight last Wednesday morning. In the same fashion that the Cavs did last year with Kyrie, the Pelicans and Spurs respectively swooped in and solidified the future of their core superstars as quickly as possible, offering max deals to their young cornerstones. Anthony Davis and Kawhi Leonard will be fixtures for their franchises for the foreseeable future. With regard to the best signing that changed uniforms, LaMarcus will probably make the most impact in terms of influencing the balance of power in the West, but the best value is a toss up between Brandan Wright going to the Grizzlies and Kyle O’Quinn joining the Knicks. Paul Pierce might have snuck in here for me if DJ hadn’t run off with his new BFF, Chandler Parsons. Alas, The Truth will not set the Clips free… Does Doc have any more kids who can ball?
2) Who was the worst Free Agent signing so far?
Nate: Enes Kanter isn’t signed yet, but his deal reportedly starts at $15.5 million per. RPM rates him as the 60th best center in the league (one spot ahead of, ahem, Anderson Varejao). And his -3.87 DRPM is one spot behind Andrea Bargnani. Yep, Enes is the worst defensive center in the NBA. Barf. Teams seem terrified of letting guys sign offer sheets this year, and he’s the perfect example. Anyway, honorary mention has to go to the Kings who got trade-raked by Hinkie. Sacramento gave up Nik Stauskas, Carl Landry, Jason Thompson, a first round pick, and the right to swap picks in two other drafts, just to clear cap room. The Kings then got played for leverage by every free agent they tried to sign. Well, except for Rondo (one year, $9.5 million). The Kings could hire Jim Buss, and it would be a front office upgrade. Rajon, Boogie, and George Karl? How much do I have to pay for a locker room cam?
Robert: Rajon Rondo’s one-year $10 million deal with the Sacramento Kings may not be the worst (cough… Reggie Jackson… cough) but it sure is a head-scratcher. If you’re a glass half full person, you could argue that Rondo has a chance to re-establish himself on a team where he is a definite upgrade at the point guard position, and where he has a legitimate star in DeMarcus Cousins. You could argue that maybe George Karl can coax a Gary Payton-esque season from Rondo. But, Rondo has shown no indication that he can turn around his steady, post-injury decline and, unless the Kings trade for Kevin Garnett to be the team’s unquestioned dominant personality, this team seems too dysfunctional to do anything of consequence, making Rondo’s signing seem more like an empty band-aid wrapper than a band-aid.
David: Why did Stan Van Gundy sign Reggie Jackson to a contract worth $80 million? Here’s my guess. This summer Stan Van has locked himself into a dark gym with Andre Drummond. No, they aren’t working on free throw shooting, even though they should be. Stan has pumped Drummond up with Diet Pepsi and is teaching him the old white man’s game of head fakes, “my bad” arm gestures, and 3-point heaves. He decided to sign the 22nd (Brandon Jennings is 21) ranked point guard according to real plus-minus to a max contract, because he is too focused on transforming Drummond to focus on anything else. Jackson does drive to the hoop quite well though. He got 7.3 ppg doing so with Detroit. However, Tony Wroten and Ish Smith got 8.1 and 7.2 ppg on drives, respectively. How much do those two make? Wroten is getting just $2,179,354 and Ish is unsigned as of now.
Mallory: This one is a cinch — of all the eye-popping deals out there (Reggie Jackson, Draymond Green) — one stands above the rest. During the regular season, DeMarre Carroll was the perfect role starter amongst the machine that was the Hawks. A good defender, Carroll fit beautifully next to a ton of guys who could do a little (or, in some cases, a lot) of everything. Carroll is actually a pretty nice shooter, with a career percent hovering around 46. In addition, he’s a very good defender, who nobly took on LeBron during the losing cause that was the ECF. Still, and I cannot stress this enough, Carroll is NOT a borderline all-star. He shot particularly well from three last year, likely due in part to the system in which he was playing, and he’s not exactly a stud with the ball in his hands. In short, $15 million a year for a guy who, when his contract ends, will be well into the wrong side of 30, with low upside and lacking elite skills beyond systematic defense, seems like a steep price, (particularly when compared to guys like Tobias Harris, Khris Middleton, and Draymond Green, all who are much, MUCH younger than Carroll). If you’re going to splurge in this market, at least do it on a guy who can shock you in the best possible way.
Cory: I’ll keep this one short since there are six of us. Reggie Jackson is going to make more next season than Steph Curry, Tony Parker and Ty Lawson. Off of the top of my head, Jackson is probably the 18th best PG or so in the league. Who else was going to pay him close to $16 million per season, when there are seriously only like three teams with potential openings at the position.
$80 million for Reggie Jackson is $70 million more than "the other one" made in a 21-yr career http://t.co/R9jwgRZfN2 pic.twitter.com/zRkC94ysV5
— ESPN (@espn) July 6, 2015
EG: Though I cringed at a few head-scratching deals like the Cans giving Omer Asik $60M for five years, the depleted Blazers going hard after one-way player, Al-Farouq Aminu for $30M for five years, and the Pistons blowing all their cap space on the underwhelming tandem of Reggie Jackson and Aron Baynes, the worst deal (probably financially, but certainly emotionally) was the Kings’ decision to add just a bit more crazy to their nuthouse with a one year inking of Rajon Rondo. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again… this has to be straight up the biggest troll job of an owner to his soon-to-be-former head coach in the history of sports. If the NBA had a “Hard Knocks” style show (something they really should consider and entertain), the 2015-16 Kings would be the ultimate candidate to kick it off and shatter Nielsen ratings on a weekly basis. All joking aside, what possible upside exists here for Vivek Ranadive (beyond an elaborate scheme to have George Karl institutionalized)? Even on the remote off-chance that Rondo has a good year, there’s no way he’s sticking around. There’s got to be a better way to spend $10 million… right? It’s an Evil kind of hard knock life in Sacto, “Cuz…”
3) How much is Tristan Thompson really worth?
Nate: What’s any of us really worth? It’s a depressing question. I asked Google.
As of 2011, the Environmental Protection Agency set the value of a human life at $9.1 million. Meanwhile, the Food and Drug Administration put it at $7.9 million — and the Department of Transportation figure was around $6 million.
So Tristan Thompson’s demands for $15.8 million a year seem a little silly. I’m being facetious, but you can’t pay him more than Kyrie, can you? The risk the Cavs run now, is that they let him dangle, and someone signs him to a big one or two year offer sheet, and they lose his rights. So I don’t know. How about just matching Draymond Green’s contract and then letting Tristan use the @CavsDan jet three or four times a year?
Robert: One thing we’ve learned from this year’s free agency is that a player’s worth is definitely a relative thing. Is Draymond Green a better player than Thompson? I think, by most standard measures, the answer would be “yes”… but when Reggie Jackson signs a 5-year, $80 million deal with the Pistons, that kind of throws the whole “better” debate out the window, doesn’t it? In a vacuum, I’d say that Thompson is worth more than Jackson, and is in the same ballpark — if somewhat less — than Green. But, every player is worth what his value is to his team and, more importantly, what he can get. So, I have no doubt that Rich Paul is pushing for a contract that exceeds Green’s, and the Cavs don’t have much leverage in negotiations when they a.) like that player b.) their star player likes that player and c.) their star player’s agent represents that same player. Eventually, both sides with whittle down the potato’s worth of space between them to nothing and Thompson will sign… for more than anyone but Thompson, Paul and James think he’s worth.
David: I heard news that TT wasn’t going to sign a deal until Draymond Green had signed his. I’m not sure if this is true. Maybe, TT wasn’t planning on signing until all the other power forwards got overpaid, so he could ask for his over payment with less guilt. I go back and forth on TT. He is an otherworldly offensive rebounder. He grabbed 3.3 o-boards a game this season. He can switch onto pretty much anyone in the game and hold his own. However, he only scored 8.5 a game during the regular season, and has no ability to create his own shot or run the fast-break on his own. Draymond, on the other hand, can score at will sometimes, and be a facilitator. The Cavs need to decide how much they value TT’s offensive rebounding. If they think it makes up for his inability to score, then they should give him Green money. If they don’t think that, I would lock TT in a gym, and force him to hit 3s and throw precision passes to open corner guys. When he fails to execute those moves, pay him $65 mil over five years.
Mallory: This is a tough one to answer: the truth, fair market value of TT is probably somewhere around $12-14 mil a year — the apparent going rate for good young PFs (Thad Young, Tobias Harris, and Asik on the lower end, Monroe on the high). None of those guys are quite as young as TT, minus Harris, and probably don’t have his upside. Still, statistically speaking, they’ve all achieved more during the regular season, and proven, day in and day out, that they can be a force in a few different ways. That’s not to say TT isn’t valuable, because he is — the guy is a rebounding machine, a great defender inside and, surprisingly, out, and has even become passable on offense. All of those virtues are worth something in the NBA. And yet, guys like TT are probably 80% replaceable, and at 80% of what he’s apparently demanding. But, and this is the kicker, LeBron wants him around. And, sadly, LeBron holds pretty much every card imaginable here. I hate to be beholden to one player in the way that the Cavs are to LeBron, but he’s the best player in the world, and unfortunately, that’s where the Cavs are right now. (Side note — read the excellent Grantland article, posted today, about just how perfectly LeBron can hold the Cavs hostage.) Given how willing Gilbert is to spend, it’s not insane to imagine TT signing the max. And if it makes Lebron happy? It’s worth the price.
Cory: What is TT really worth? I’m against giving a big eight-figures per year if he can’t protect the rim, switch on the pick and roll, or stretch the defense. Thompson can do two of those things well. Sure Steph Curry lit him up in the Finals, but he does that to everyone. Thompson probably is worth $13-$14 million per year with the heightened cap anticipation. I assume tall Wallace from The Wire will sign a contract that matches Draymond Green’s $85 million contract, over five years. Is it overpaying? You bet. Considering max contracts are going to reach $30 million plus per season, it’s not that bad.
EG: I guess the easy answer (though probably not the one that @CavsDan wants to hear) is that TT is worth “whatever keeps him as a Cav for life, and makes LeBron happy.” When the rumors were swirling immediately following the Love deal announcement, and the numbers circulating were five years, $80M, I thought “wow, that’s a lot of cash to spend on one position.” Turns out, that would have been the Cavs getting off easy, since now it looks like TT is really asking for somewhere between “Draymond money” and “Kyrie money.” I guess they should be happy he’s not asking for “LaMarcus money” though (well at least not yet…). In a vacuum, (or on most any other team in the league) TT is probably worth about five years, $75M, which is still a pretty penny for an elite rebounder with limited offensive skills. But, on the Cavs, he’s unfortunately worth whatever keeps LBJ happy. I think he ultimately winds up signing for five years and $85M (“Draymond money”), but maybe with a player option on the fifth year and some other built in incentives. Any more than that, and he starts becoming a contender for question #2…
4) Will J.R. Smith be back?
Nate: Yes? I don’t get the sense that any other team in the league wants to deal with his goofiness. Cavs will address him after all their other free agency stuff is done. Expect two years, $14 million. Maybe a partially guaranteed third year and an extended warranty on than scooter JR rode during the Finals.
Robert: Right now, I’d still say that anything is possible in terms of J.R. Smith. I’d be no more surprised to wake up tomorrow, and see that he’s signed a three-year $21 million deal to stay with the Cavs, as I would that he agreed to take a one-year veteran minimum contract to play with the Mavericks, say. I still suspect that he’s found and will continue to find the market for him to be relatively cool, and he’ll look for the security of a longer-term deal, even if it pays him a slightly lower salary per year than the deal he just opted out of. Unlike with the Thompson negotiations, the Cavs seem to be willing to bring Smith back only at a price that makes sense to them. I think he fits on this Cavs team, though, so I think both sides — barring a trade that makes Smith redundant — agree to something that works for both sides.
David: No. Mo Williams is back, and he averaged more points than JR this past season in about the same amount of minutes. While Mo isn’t the defender JR is, I’m confident he can consistently hit the 3s Smith would get streaky on. And, if he isn’t hitting 3s, Williams is able to get to the paint. He can also run an offense, something JR never thought to do because assists don’t get counted as points.
Mallory: This is a question that I flip-flop on daily. On the one hand, JR is inconsistent, has massive lapses in judgement, and, at his worst, is downright horrible (see: the NBA Finals). And yet, he was a surprisingly consistent and steady hand for the Cavs during most of the season, and nearly all the post season. Were the Cavs capable of benching him in favor of another player during his cold streaks in the finals, they likely would have, making his shortcomings forgivable. But this is reality, and that didn’t happen. The fair price for JR is probably somewhere in the realm of $4-6 million, for 2-3 years. Will JR sign for that? Tough to say. Do the Cavs want to be locked in with JR for 3 years? Probably not. But the dude wants to get paid, and wants some financial security, and those are two things the Cavs have to be willing to meet if they’re going to remain in tandem. My final answer? Depends on the Haywood trade, but, surprisingly, I think JR re-signs.
Cory: The longer he goes unsigned, the more likely his return seems to me. Cap space is drying up across the league by the day, and with JR’s reputation, he’s probably never been on multiple teams’ free agency boards in the first place. I’d assume he resigns with the Cavs along the lines of two-years, $15 million, with a player option for the second season.
EG: I’ve had this sneaking suspicion that the writing was on the wall for JR the minute he decided against opting into the final year on his contract. There’s a reason the Cavs are kicking the tires on potential deals for guys like DeMar DeRozan, Joe Johnson and Jamal Crawford. Ironically, if JR were still with the Knicks, there would have been no question of him opting into nearly $7M. Yet, given the situation, he decided to roll the crazy dice in his head. If the Cavs strike out on bringing in another three-point sharpshooter, I could see them waiting JR out and maybe even signing him for less than he would have made. But is that really a sound idea? After all, an upset JR could revert to the problem child JR, and before you can say “your shoelace is untied…” the Cavs could be treated to a nasty dose of “bad JR.”
5) What remaining Free Agent should the Cavs try to acquire?
Nate: Sonny Weems, dunker extraordinaire, who learned how to shoot while he was in Europe. Either Weems or Jamariolante “Boobie” Geegauskus, you know, for old times’ sake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDi1r4LAJ4o
Robert: I still want to see J.R. Smith return but, barring that, I guess I’m intrigued-ish by Gerald Green. He’s already played nine seasons in the league, but won’t turn 30 until January 2016. After being named the 2013-14 Most Improved Player, his numbers dipped slightly last season, but he’s a good option shooting the ball from three, and would give the Cavs some additional athleticism on the perimeter, where he could play both the two and the three. His defense has never been anything to write home about, but you could say the same thing about Smith before he came to the Cavs and made a real commitment on that end of the court.
David: I’m on the Ish Smith train these days. Did you know he attempted the most drives per game this past season (13.5), and only played 27 minutes a night? He shot 44.4% on his drives, but when a guy is trucking it to the paint every time he gets the ball, teams are bound to game plan for it. The Cavs would be his ninth team. Also, his name rhymes, which is what I’m looking for in my fifteenth man.
Mallory: It’s so hard to keep track of who’s out there right now, I can’t give an honest-to-goodness, legit response. The Cavs really only need two things at this point — a deep bench big, and a swing who can also fill in for a stretch four. The answer? Teletovic. A big, strong, surprisingly spry defender, a guy like Teletovic would fit the role into which James Jones stuck his wiry frame. Unfortunately, Teletovic (and pretty much anyone) isn’t quite the prolific shooter that Jones is. Fortunately, Teletovic (and like-minded players) is younger, faster, and capable of doing quite a bit more on the court. Still, this is a stretch — I’m (and this is a MASSIVE shocker to me) kind of okay with James Jones returning in this role. He’s a lights out shooter, was actually a half-decent defender, and is smart as a whip. And, so long as Andy and Kevin can remain on the floor, any stretch four probably won’t see the court much. As for the swing position? Lets go to question 6…
Cory: All the Cavs have to offer at this point is what remains of their mini mid-level after signing Mo Gotti and veteran minimum contracts. The Cavs do provide something for the free agency scrap heap though. If you’re an aging vet, no team in the league gives you a better shot at reaching the Finals than the Cavs. The Thunder, Warriors and Spurs have to get through one another to get there. The Cavs can also offer a high-profile spotlight for a free agent who was forgotten this year, and wants to bump up his value for next. Assuming they’ll add a wing, I would be fine with the following list in no particular order: John Jenkins, Wayne Ellington, Caron Butler, Landry Fields, Gerald Green, Chris Copeland, Jason Richardson or Tayshaun Prince.
EG: Aside from just re-signing all of their own remaining FAs (LBJ, TT, Delly and possibly JR at the right price and length), there are just a couple of guys that still intrigue me out there. KJ McDaniels could be a really interesting get (but they’re not getting him on a minimum or what’s left of their exception). If Amare has anything left in the tank, he could be a decent asset coming off the bench. While I’m not a huge Tayshaun Prince fan, he did have an upswing in his three-point stats last season, and there would be no end to the “King and Prince” jokes we could concoct. I’d still love to see the one remaining Herculoid (not on the GSW sidelines), Wayne “Duke” Ellington, return to the Cavs. And one sleeper pick to keep an eye on (in case the Cavs wind up using AV in some blockbuster trade) is Kevin Seraphim, who could provide some length and energy off the bench.
6) What could the Cavs get with Brendan Haywood’s contract?
Nate: Kevin Martin and a giant warehouse of unused NBA promotional material: Kevin Love arm slings, unclaimed Gerald Green shocker fingers, old Wally Szczerbiak Tiger Beat posters, and a Dion Waiters Cavs bobblehead that yells, “and-1!” at random points during your day.
Robert: The chance to finally get Nick Young (and the pu pu platter that is Byron Scott’s current doghouse) on the same team as J.R. Smith.
David: The Cavs should trade the Brendan Haywood contract to the Minnesota Timberwolves for Kevin Martin and Chase Budinger. The Wolves would also have to throw in once a week conference calls with Kevin Garnett. During these calls, Garnett would teach young Cavaliers how to trash talk. Young guys would learn important lessons, such as whether or not it’s more offensive to make fun of a guy’s mom or his girlfriend. Or, even his dad. Furthermore, Kevin would be required to give the Cavs an update on Anthony Bennett’s current bra size. This would be no problem for KG, since he already tracks GDB’s brassiere sizes on a dry erase board in the trainer’s office to motivate him.
Mallory: Is Jamal Crawford really that bad? Isn’t he basically just JR Smith, but better, more consistent, and more capable when handling the ball? Nate asked this question expecting some crazy answers, and yeah, I could sit here all night with the Trade Machine, searching for the hidden gem… But why would I? Crawford is a perfect fit. He’s long(ish), he can (kind of) defend (when he wants), he can (sort of) play three positions, and he can really shoot the ball (when he wants). I mean… This is our guy, right? *Looks at 14/15 stats* … Oh… Damn.
Cory: How about a subscription to Dollar Shave Club for LeBron? I’ll never go bald (it might be the only thing I have going for me at the moment), but if I was, I would probably just accept it and shave my head. I’m not a big fan of having some stranger with their hair dyed nine different colors touching my head, and I’ll spend thousands of dollars getting terrible haircuts for the rest of my life. I’m kind of jealous in a way. It appears that LeBron’s full hairline from the preseason was related to his role in the upcoming Judd Apatow flick Trainwreck. It disappeared as the season went on, then returned after the Finals, once he started plugging the premier of the film.
EG: In the spirit that was started by bringing Mo Williams back for a shot at the ring, maybe the Cavs can get the NBA to provide a special provision to divvy up pieces of the Haywood exception to an assortment of teams to bring back Drew Gooden (only if he grows the ducktail), Alonzo Gee, Ryan Hollins, Boobie Gibson, the rotting corpse of Carlos Boozer (just to be hung from the humongotron for pre-game shows) and the ghost of Jiri Welsch. Heck, they could even get an international exception to bring back Jamario Moon and Delonte from the Venezuelan Liga Profesional de Baloncesto (or wherever they are these days)… Alternately, they could just package the Haywood contract along with JR, and send them to the Kings in exchange for any sane players that want to leave the asylum before all hell breaks loose. I see you working Vivek… I see you…
Good for the Cavs…
@xOrtiz4x: Sources: DeAndre Jordan will agree to terms w Clippers. He does not plan to meet w Mavs anymore. He’s actually not even responding to them.
EG breathes a huge sigh of relief
You KNOW it brother!
And here’s the kind of thing I’m glad to have avoided…
https://instagram.com/p/45Y38pOPzq/?taken-by=jlin7
Hate to see the Lakers lose a player like that. I mean I seriously hate it. ;)
George Karl also there ” might as well add 1 more to my collection “
This is what the Cavs should have done with Lebron in ’10…shotgun contract signing.
This is freaking crazy. DJ must be very easily influenced.
I am absolutely fascinated with this insane situation happening in Houston with DeAndre… shaping up to be the biggest standoff in Texas since Waco…
Can someone report the Clippers to the Houston PD for kidnapping?
Okay… this is officially INSANE
The one that got away?
Here’s a good emoji for DeAndre as he waffles on his future…
@PlayersTribune: Full Circle: @mowilliams on what it means to return to the @Cavs. http://t.co/WjjZ7IrYiT http://t.co/MQd4JRu9Ob
I think Skittles needs to jump on this “emoji battle” trend right away for their “Settle things in the usual way” campaign…
@ArashMarkazi: I’m hearing the Clippers contingent is still at Jordan’s house. Maybe they can sit in on Cuban’s meeting. #Awkward
Pat Riley and Popovich need to arrive in Houston tweeting Emojis just to mess with Mavs/Clips.
Let’s be real here for a second. As nice of a job as the San Antonio Spurs did in free agency, along with the Sacramento Kings and Dallas Mavericks, does that really make any of them the outright winners? No, it says here. Despite a ton of unfinished business (LeBron James, Tristan Thompson, J.R. Smith and Matthew Dellavedova remain unsigned free agents, and a Brendan Haywood trade is coming), the Cavs are emerging as the biggest winners of the summer for one simple reason: None of their pursuers (with the possible exception of Miami) got demonstrably better. Read more at… Read more »
Mamba tryin to throw cold water on the emoji battle…
https://twitter.com/kobebryant/status/618892272663334912
Can’t believe this emoji didn’t resurface somewhere during this emoji battle (especially given that things were taking place in Houston…)
That was phenomenal with the Marlo’s last words to Prop Joe.
So… what symbolism will the media draw from this Tweet?
https://twitter.com/RealTristan13/status/618922495870042112
It looks like a deflated ball. He’s going to Boston.
He DID use a donut emoji as well, so maybe he’s trying to say that the Cavs will have a “hole in the middle” if they don’t sign him soon…
Or could the bite that was taken out of the donut represent the bite out of the salary cap he wants to take?
When it comes to Cusack, All I got to say is “Hot Tub Time Machine.”
I say tell TT you’ll pay him x-millions per year where x = the number of consecutive free throws he can make on July 9, 2015.
Now that’s just cruel!
My biggest remaining wish this offseason is to have Mark Cuban arrive at Jordan’s house right when Glenn Rivers is walking out. Texas sized catfight ensues.
Weems is going to be sooo good for them. He’ll be like a 10-fingered Gerald Green.
So, does Paul Pierce want DJ to sign with the Rockets? I’m confused…
Love that Paul could only tweet a picture of an emoji rocket ship.
Tweet of the day so far…
Hilarious. I can just imagine Glenn Rivers throwing a tantrum over DJ leaving, and stamping his feet yelling ‘NO!!!!!’. Biggest douche in the league. Hope DJ stays with Dallas. Maybe CP3 left the banana boat early to high five him.
Maybe this will get Portland to try to get L. Aldridge to come back….Odds: 1,000,000,000 to 1……so (Dumb and Dumber), you’re saying there’s a chance!!!
I SOOO want the “Battle for DeAndre” to be decided by Emojii war…
How do I embed tweets without monster eating for spam? The Truth got involved with a rocket ship emoji.
Not sure you can, but if you put a link up and ask to embed it, EG or I usually will.
Also heard on the radio that the Cavs heard Larry Sanders may want to play basketball again and they may be interested in adding him. Take it for what it is —–> A LONG SHOT!
Do not want headcases
After reading his article on whatever site that was, I am not sure that he’s your stereotypical “headcase” per say. He suffers from some anxiety and depression. These are things that can heavily influence you but if you are in a positive environment and he is getting the right care, it is most definitely something that can be overcome. So long as he is getting the right aid and is in the right environment, I am confident he can really contribute. Though it seems like every report is us being interested in another big man as opposed to another wing.… Read more »
So you are saying he is a headcase? That’s what I read.
If you read headcase, then I guess I’m one. I take antidepressants daily to keep me from harboring suicidal thoughts, which happens every time I’ve gone off them since I was eleven. Maybe educate yourself a little bit.
I must be a headcase as well…. sigh cols.. smh
I don’t mind giving him a flier, but reading between the lines, he has substance abuse issues. Hope he can get the help he needs. Probably needs to get on a stable path before getting back on the hardwood.
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Any report saying Lebron isn’t recruiting free-agents for Cavs until he signs is false… I’ve spoken to someone he did attempt to recruit.
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There’s a picture of him meeting with KLove before he signed.
If DJ goes back to LAC, expect a fire sale out of Dallas. Apparently they were going to go into tank mode if they didn’t land DJ. Anyone on the Mavs you think could be had with THE CONTRACT?
Parsons is JUST over the salary we could take in with the BHC. Other than that, I don’t know if any of their players fit our needs now that Aminu went to Portland.
This Clippers/DJ/Mavs drama is hilarious!
Kinda get the feeling this might wind up being a steel cage match in Houston…
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 4m4 minutes ago
ESPN sources say Mavericks owner Mark Cuban arrived in Houston earlier today as Dallas tries to fend off the Clippers’ 11th hour push
Someone get a camera over there!
Why can’t they do deals like this anymore?
Wanted to click LIKE on that!
Aint read too much of this Deandre story but what a twist, didnt see it coming lol. Imagine he backtracks that would be horrible for DAL
Clips also standing outside DJ’s house holding boomboxes over their heads playing “In Your Eyes”
Haha.
Top 5 Cuskack movies
1. Say Anything
2. High Fidelity
3. Grosse Pointe Blank
4. Being John Malckovich
5.???????????????????????
1. Better Off Dead
2. High Fidelity
3. Say Anything
4. Being John Malkovich
5. Grosse Pointe Blank
Honorable mention: The Grifters, The Sure Thing, Thin Red Line and Identity
Nuts
I’ve never seen Better off Dead.
I’ll get on it.
Better Off Dead is in my Top 25 all time movies…
+1000 in my top 10 comedies for sure. Possibly top five.
I want my two dollars!
No Runaway Jury love?
https://youtu.be/mKIKNYUP6Vc
I prefer this Peter Gabriel song to be played by a boombox over the head
Underrated Cusack films: The Ice Harvest, Eight Men Out (one of the top baseball films EVER — and it still holds up), Fat Man and Little Boy, Con Air (all time guilty pleasure), Pushing Tin, and the greatest bit part in 16 candles. I really want to see Love & Mercy too.
CON AIR!!! Love it! No need for guilt, Nick Cage movies are fantastic on several levels, only one of them being ironic or sarcastic!
Well, Michael Bay films in general. Of course, Ninja Turtles might be the exception. It’s unwatchable.
I heard too many horror stories about the new Ninja Turtles…
But I believe Con Air was one Mr. Jerry Bruckheimer.
Sorry. You’re right Bruckheimer produced and Simon West directed. I get Bay and Bruckheimer movies confused sometimes. Love me some Armageddon.
Con Air is great
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Nick Cage? Thebeyond lame actor? He had some cred in the early days, not exactly sure why.
Have you seen anything in the last 10 years? BTW, know what his real name is?
Yep! He’s a Coppola. I can’t believe he and Jason Schwartzman are cousins.
When did National Treasure come out. Top Ten Movie of all time… nay… 5.
I would vote for that as top 10 most lame movies of all time.
Brooklyn did speak to Cleveland last week but its most recent conversation wasn’t about Johnson–it was about acquiring Sasha Kaun, the 30-year old Russian center who is interested in playing in the NBA next season. Cleveland owns Kaun’s rights; Brooklyn is interested in acquiring them. – via Sports Illustrated
Bryan Hill: Hearing the Cavs are talking to the Suns about a trade involving Brendan Haywood. Who would they get back Eric Bledsoe? Steve Kyler: Not sure why everyone want to believe Suns interested in moving Bledsoe – they want out of Markieff Morris.
Markieff played good last year and for 8 mil a year das a good deal, I think he would be good at the 3 off the bench cause he can shoot that midrange and get his own shot
Also he’ll be close to his brother in Detroit and he’s only 25 years old
Morris is decent but we need a 3 more than another 2.
Well he’s actually a 4, PF, I just slid him to the 3 role as a backup for Lebron. If we sign JR and Delly back and get another guard out of the Brendan Haywood Contract I think that guard rotation is set for the bench Mo, Delly, JR, Joe Harris and Unknown Guard. Frontcourt: Markieff, Tristan and Andy
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In reply to the podcast: Classic podcast. Always an entertaining listen, guys. Tom, I am in total agreement with you on the absurdity of these deals. Tristan is not as valuable as Draymond for a variety of reasons. Draymond has excellent vision to make the right pass and he has a decent jumpshot threat. Tristan has neither. (Obviously he makes up for that with non stop hustle, rebounding, defense and (much) improved finishing inside). But, at the end of the day, TT is still undersized and can’t space the floor. And for goodness sake, he comes off the freaking bench.… Read more »
He might be gunning for another $10M in the new cap era!!!
LMAO @ David’s response to #6. The picture of KG imposed next to a forlorn Gumdrop Bear (still the greatest/saddest nickname ever) is priceless.
KD should go to Memphis next off-season.
I think too many people are remembering how Joe Johnson used to play when he was the only creator Atlanta had in the Mike Woodson offense. I think JJ as a 4th option on this Cavs team would be great for a few reasons…. He can spell Bron at the 3, another great option to score in crunch time and he is not an ego-maniac.
Few seasons? He would be taking a major pay-cut after next season if he were to stay in Cleveland. I want to say like a $20 million dollar pay-cut, but it would probably be a bit less of a pay-cut with the cap rising.
I think you misread “reasons” for “seaasons”
LOL wow, thank you EG
Im kinda pissed off with these Crawford/Johnson rumors to be honest. Those kinds of players certainly can’t fit in here. Please no to ball dominant chuckers. Don’t even say to me that their going to play the role of 6th man, spark off-the-bench guy, as if they aren’t going to play MAJORITY of their minutes with the BIG 3. They will stop ball movement, chuck the ball and will not play adequate defense. Please don’t be blinded by the need to cash in a big time player from the BHC. Fit first.
We needed a ball dominant chucker in the Finals. Those guys are great off the bench when you need points.
I’ll just respond by saying please re-read what I said above.
Joe Johnson has no problem distributing the ball.
I’m also not a big fan of these rumors myself. We had some unprecedented bad injury luck in this year’s Finals run. There are at least four guys on the roster who can create offense AND pass — there aren’t enough minutes/touches to go around to a fifth one who’s not going to play good defense. Considering how last season went, the #1 focus should be on securing the backups needed to spread the minutes and minimize the risk of injuries. One thing we could use is a 6’6″-8″ athletic body who can spell LeBron. An Alonze Gee type on… Read more »
There are better things to waste your anger on… Remember, most likely these rumors get floated out there as smoke screen. It’s already been mostly confirmed that any Joe Johnson deal is dead. And by the way, ANY value they get for the BHC will be gravy on top of an already stacked team…
Especially considering that another report came out that Andy is not being discussed in ANY trade talks, which pretty much prevents us from trading for the massive JJ contract.
GENIUS! Guess how many times I’ll be using this pic next season…
I knew you’d love this.
Just can’t believe I missed it for the article… Great find!
JR’s camp might be pushing a contract same as what is Shump going to get (10m per). I just think his camp might be thinking that he’s as instrumental/same level as what Shumpert did. In some angles yes, but he’s old and he is what he is as a player already. I want him back. We need him, but not for more than 16m/2 years.
BTW, Jamal Crawford is better than JR. He’s better at creating for himself and others than JR, but JR fits here better.
Yeah, that was probably a bit high. Market drying up could force his hand. Rebuilding teams don’t want a guy who can poison the well. The Cavs are his best option. He should have opted in.
I/m curious why New Orleans was not more active in free agency. Imagine a DeAndre Jordan and Anthony Davis front court, phew. Most likely cap space issues.
Too busy giving Omer Asik $60 million for five years. Talk about your cap space issues.
Lol, true. It seems as if New Orleans hasn’t done enough to surround AD with better pieces. Would love to see AD turn New Orleans into a contender, but he needs a solid all-star alongside. Not players with potential that never live up to it.
“but he needs a solid all-star alongside” Do you know who else is jockeying every single off-season to get the 1-3 “solid all stars” who actually become available? 25 other teams. Hell, the cavs have 3 and we’re trying to figure out if there’s a way to get a 4th. You can have all the cap space and “assets” in the world and still not be able to get an all-star. Is Asik a dumb signing? Probably, but if nothing else he’s the punching bag who’s going to take some of the low post beating Davis would otherwise get. If… Read more »
Apparently… Alvin Gentry thinks that all they really need to do is have The Brow shoot more threes…
Good writeup guys. I can see something to JRs opt out if he wants to stick with the Cavs. If he opts in, then next year come free agency he is in the same FA boat only the Cavs are deep, deep into Cap Tax Hell. That Tax Hell has not yet happened so Dan is spending away. Even if JR gets a 3 yr/ $15-18M deal this year wouldn’t that be better than job hunting a year later? And this assuming his performance/attitude is relatively the same as last year? $15-18M is better than $7 and possibly something along… Read more »
Actually, next year is going to be much easier to manage because of the huge cap increase, and the fact that the Cavs still have one more year before they can offer ‘Bron the supermax (going to be $30-$40 million under new cap).
Possibly but will Dan’s pocketbook be as open as this year? Moz and Lebron might command 55M.
It should be, yes. The dollars he will pay this year in cap penalty can next year be paid in actual salary instead.
Okay I guess I am underestimated the rate of growth for the cap.
“the old white man’s game of head fakes, ‘my bad’ arm gestures, and 3-point heaves…” Did you watch me play pickup last night, David?
Sign Thompson. Even though we are overpaying we are talking what? An overlay of about 2 M per? Thats not worth all the hand wringing and digital ink cavs fans are wasting on this. That’s fine
Sign JR
Anything else is gravy.
Also. I shave my head. It’s not so bad.
$2 million this year will be $10-$12 million when you add in luxury taxes. It’s easy to say “just spend it” when it’s not your money.
Yes. Which is why I don’t get the all the rending of garments. He’s worth about $14/year but will get $16. IT’s not our money so who cares. Jut sign the guy.
Cols didn’t you just see David Lee get dumped for nothing. That will happen to either TT or Love eventually. The cheaper the deal the better the assets we can get in return. I actually think he’s worth 12 million a year.
Are people hand-wringing and rending garments near you? There must be no grey in your life, Cols… only black and white.
I also shave my head, and while I prefer the look, the upkeep can get tedious…
I don’t mind. I shave every day if on vacations. Every other day in the summer (this is the worst though, it’s most painful to shave every other day) and every third day in the winter, depending if I have meetings, dates, those types of things I’ll shave for.
I use a razor. You>?
For a long time, I just used disposable razors, then last year my wife bought me a nice safety razor kit with lather and brush from The Shaving Co. So now I use that. It’s pretty effective, but takes a much steadier hand…
I have a terrible bald head. It’s lumpy and there’s a huge mole. I seriously hate getting haircuts, which is one of the many reasons I’ve had biblically long hair multiple times. I still would, but after 30 is hard to pull off long hair if you aren’t in a rock band or are a professional wrestler.
Some of you guys have the weirdest opinions.
Such as…?
Worrying that Thompson may get an extra million or two.
You say worrying… rational people would say discussing…
And it’s not just an extra million or two, it’s about $4-5 million per year more than the max he could get elsewhere…
But why does this bother people at all?
Because that 5 million might be 25 million in actual expenses. And while Gilbert is willing to eat that this year who’s to say this will go on forever. It won’t actually. Also that 5 million might make it easier for Gilbert to swallow Joe Johnson deal. And LBJ will be 35 by the end of that contract. It’d be nice to have assets in case we want to stay good. Having players on fair contracts is good for the franchise. This way in 3 years when we trade him because he doesn’t want to sit behind Love anymore we… Read more »
good recap guys —hopefully WHEN T.T. SIGNS he will lock himself in a gym and work on a nice / consistent 15″ jump shot and taking someone off the dribble / making any kind of pass—-I like T.T. but for the contract he is going to get his skills need to evolve with it —-poor GEORGE K bet that ESPN analyst position looks real good to him right now —-evil I was thinking the same about KJ MCDANIEL —-could be a nice back up —love his athleticism and ability to score
Crawford is really that much worse than JR, and agree with Nate that Kanter is terrible. Kanter at least is a relative thing – if you have a defensive big, it’s not so bad. But that Reggie Jackson contract is terrible. He is an average or above average player. But I understand why they did it – they traded for him, and didn’t want to let him leave. But who else was going to pay him? The world wonders. Meanwhile, the Cavs are going to massively overpay TT, but at least that has some justification.