Rant & Live Thread: Cavs @ Raptors (Or, Maybe This Game Matters)
2018-01-11The Cavs are in Canada to try and come back from one of their worst games in the past six years. Cleveland did not look good against the Wolves. They lost by 28 and were down by as many as 41 one points in the third quarter.
Over the course of the evening, Cleveland’s defense turned into what you can expect to see during an All-Star game. Guys we’re leaping passing lanes with no chance at a steal and then throwing their arms up in awe when Karl-Anthony Towns slammed down a wide open tip-back or just a regular old dunk.
I’ve blogged about the Cavs in some capacity now for about six years. That game against the Wolves was easily the worst effort I’ve ever seen Cleveland put forth, pre-LeBron return era included.
Which leads me to ask this question: Why does Tyronn Lue still have a job?
I’m being serious right now, and people don’t seem to understand why I’m even asking this. At least the fans and friends I talk to in person. Yet, I’ve never heard one solid reason to keep him aside from his out of timeout plays being solid and that “he’s good.”
Heres a newsflash: that game showed Lue isn’t a good coach. If one says the Cavs don’t listen to him and that he isn’t responsible for that loss, then he needs to hit the road and the front office should find someone the team respects and listens to. And, if the team does listen to him, then he’s entirely responsible for the loss and should still be canned. A title contending team doesn’t go down by 40 with all of their stars healthy!
Tonight’s game isn’t super important in the grand scheme of winning the Finals for the Cavs but it is important in figuring out if the team needs to be shook up. The Raptors are deep. Every single guy on their roster can play; they’re a great blend of veteran smarts and youthful unknowns.
Some of the Raptors vets will miss tonight. Serge Ibaka is serving a one game suspension, and Kyle Lowry is unlikely because of a back injury he sustained against Brooklyn on Monday. If he plays, he’ll be a little slow. All Cleveland needs to do is slow down DeMar DeRozan (easier said than done as he now shoots 3s and has become a vastly better passer this season) and show some pride to keep me from wanting Lue tossed and wanting a serious trade to go down. A win isn’t even necessary, they just need to keep it close.
On a side note, slowing DeMar will be difficult. The guy is shooting nearly 10% better on 3s than he did a season ago, and averaging a full assist per game more. He’s revamped his game and become what Kobe probably would have been if he came along eight years later with 13% less natural talent.
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Here’s my last rant about Monday: The worst part about the Wolves game was the giant “screw you” that radiated from the team towards viewers. People paid to go to that game. People paid for cable to watch it. Some people paid for internet or spent time finding a stream to watch the game. People spend their time watching it. The Cavs are paid and paid handsomely to at least entertain and put forth effort. They haven’t been doing that lately.
I’m a chef. If I put forth the effort most of the team did on Monday, I’d serve some people raw fried chicken and then open a can of collards in front of them and just throw it on their plates. I wouldn’t even pour red pepper flakes on it, which takes basically no initiative at all. I’d be fired. The NBA isn’t a kitchen, but it shouldn’t be some work place outside of basic job rules and courtesies.
Do the Cavs need to make a drastic change, or are you guys not worried at all? Let me know. I’m not crazy thinking this game will mean a little something for them, right?
I hate everything
Good warmup for another MLK Day Massacre….
Isaiah Thomas isn’t very good. Huh.
Calderon would have been better than him tonight
Well, a lot of us have been saying that for years…good player for his size, but he can be shut down in the playoffs, and Stevens got the best anyone is ever going to get out of him…
Turnstile defense on the perimeter…generally effective…
NEED I SAY IT AGAIN —-” DON’T CARE “——yes this is beyond pathetic —changes will / have to be made !!!!!!!!!!!
Rose, Shump and TT for Curry…who says no??
LeBron for Curry
63 points to the raps with 1:30 to go…
This is unbearable.
Mostly to the bench of the Raptors.
am with you arch—might start my “Lenten sacrice of no ctb blogging —early “—–se you in april !!!!!!!!!!!!!
The whole team needs a sabbatical in Miami
OK TRADE DEADLINE— WHAT CAN WE GET FOR LEBRON ——WHAT THE HELL —WE ARE GOING TO BE IN REBUILD MODE ——YEAH I AM BEING SARCASTIC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mostly.
There’s gonna be changes coming whether we agree or not but lot will happen….this has been pathetic….even 2010-2013 cavs teams tried harder
We had Delly!!
Reggie Miller is right on defensive lapses of Cavs ! It is embarrassing.
Yikes….coaches & LBJ shouting at each other….this is horrifying.
Don’t these guys get tired of being embarrassed?
Oh LeBron cares now?
AGREE WITH LEO—MLK –IF IT IS ANOTHE MASSACRE —-THE “TY DOLL ” MAY BE OFF THE SHELVES
Yikes!!! Cavs won’t make it out first round hahaha
Box outs are a legend.
Might be a while before the Cavs win their next game…
at least the buckeyes are playing good ball—GO BUCKS !!!
Okay I’ve seen enough for tonight. Wake me up after the AS break. Hopefully Lue has figured out rotations by then. I’m hoping that Crowder, Rose, Shump, and maybe TT are no longer on the team at that point.
Yeah, think I’m off too. I also don’t want to here Dwayne’s postgame….”Again…fundamentals…”
Thanks God they took their bench players out lol.
IT really terrible tonight…
Block party at Jae Crowders
again save that nets draft pick and our pick—there is no trade that will allow this team to win a championship–let alone get out of the east—oh yeah raptors without 2 of their starters
Totally agree with you.
This team is toast….if team gets rocked by warriors on Monday Lue will get canned….no offense piss poor defense….no energy guys falling all over the place
With Curry back, Cavs will get rocked hard. They caught a break missing him on Christmas…
Hoops Buckeyes up on Maryland 23 late in 2nd…Holtmann is a genius…
I TAKE THAT BACK—-VAN FLEET WILL BE OUR “CAVS CHOSEN ” ALL STAR FOR THE NIGHT
He’s barely looking at the hoop for his 3s.
Lol
I mean they can’t get stops against freaking bench players. What a joke!!!
Uh. Maybe play some calderon here, cause it is awful.
Did Crowder not know he was there?
D AINGE IS LAUGHING HIS A– OFF !!!
You are right.
Yep! He got Cavs to take a hurt PG , struggle this season instead of Celtics. We are horrible
Jeff Green FTW
should we pull the ” ty lue post game doll ” string now —–‘ HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FILM —–” NO ANSWER “—–” NEED TO PLAY WITH MORE PACE “———-” NO ENERGY “………..” YOU HAVE TO ASK HIM (LEBRON ) “——–‘ I AM NOT A GOOD COACH “
You forgot “Jae? He’s fine.”
And “…..because I want to,”
The best thing that could happen for the Cavs right now is a Wade injury. He’s killing the second unit now.
Lue gonna run out of timeouts.
Will be interesting to see how Cavs fare as the game progresses – should be fresh….
” DON’T CARE “—THERE I SAID IT !!
TT the only positive so far. Thought KLove was giving us something on D as well before he got benched.
the ‘OTHER 2 “—of the big 3 ( love/ i.t. ) only have a combined 4 pts —–I love them both but we need their scoring !!!
Cavs are pretty much unwatchable right now.
Yep. I won’t be watching second half if it continues like this…
Wade’s weak side rotations are just abysmal
keep playing like this T.T. —your stock will rise—-didn’t see early part of game ( am surfing watching the bucks PASTE the terrapins—–did I.T. struggle that bad
We got duped by the Celtics. Crowder turned back into a pumpkin.
Wade is garbage again.
Crowder is worthless.
He can competently defend certain players, that’s about it…
Wade is worse.
Nice feed by Cedi to end the quarter.
Cavs Defense was so bad that I’m surprised they only scored 30.
It picked up. Though that vanvleet three was ridic
This no shooter lineup doesn’t work…
Tristan came to play.
said earlier we would make Wright or Paskal look like all stars tonight
Cavs can’t stop dribble drives and can’t defend the 3 ball. Definitely not a good combination.
our team was built on ‘OUTSCORING ‘ the opponent——-hate to admit it but the celts win by DEFENDING—IF WE CAN’T SCORE —WE STRUGGLE TO DEFND AND WIN
Exactly!
I would totally take Delon Wright on the Cavs.
think we have to admit / be realistic—-I do not believe we have the athleticism to defend on championship caliber level —other teams know this also —–believe the cavs players know this —don’t have confidence in themselves / teammates
Ridiculously bad call against Love
Cavs are not defending already. 4 of their first 6 defensive trips have left toronto guys wide open. They need to play Jonas honest. He’s not an all-star and they’re doubling him like he is.
3J lighting them up earlu
we will make Wright or Paskal look like all stars tonight
I’m not a fan of Marcus Smart, the player, but you really gotta give it to him for this:
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22024859/nba-nerf-dart-battle-forged-marcus-smart-unlikely-friendship
Hoping the players bring some Cojones with them tonight.
need to devise a shirt / start to market them — ” QUICKLY “—–all in on the shirts DON’T CARE —on the front —-PANIC BUTTON — on the back—-get on that for us evil—YOU THE MAN !!!!
I’m interested to see what happens… oh wait…
the “TY LUE ” DOLL –pull the string for press conference answers —” I gotta look at the film “—-” need to play with more energy “—-” need to play with pace “—-” no answer ” —–I have coached high school ball for over 30 yrs –I can be more creative / knowledgeable than that with my comments / answers
is any player “balling —showing up ” in the G LEAGUE showcase
76er’s were up on the celts by 22 —lead now down to 3 —-you have to give the celts credit ( baarf )—they always keep on fighting no matter the score —-to me THAT IS COACHING —-just saying
I am 100% with you DW. Under either scenario you describe for the Wolves game, it reflects very poorly on Ty Lue. Plus Lue when asked why he doesn’t plan on making any rotational changes – like maybe reinstating that devastating second unit with Frye, or even benching JR for Korver – Lue gave his usual arrogant answer, “…..because I don’t want to.” And many thought Blatt was arrogant? That is unacceptable. In both of James’ stints with the Cavs and the years in between, I have probably attend 115-120 games counting the playoffs. I still share two second tickets… Read more »
I feel like Ive been preaching this for a couple years now David and I agree with you. When I buy broadway tickets, I dont expect a high effort and skill performance 50% of the time if the actors feel like trying.
This half assed nba product is in fact irritating to me as a paying fan.
I watch 180+ hours of regular season basketball and at best 20 hours of finals basketball. So you know what, to me, its not just about the destination and result. Its about the journey too.
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Confusing top end sports performance with Broadway is the root of a lot of misunderstanding.
Don’t think so. OtherJason is talking about effort and that is applicable to a Broadway performer, NBA player or gourmet chef. It’s just wrong to mail it in regardless of the profession
you beat me to it Jason -we all have our ” new ” shirts that read ” DON’T CARE “—–just being sarcastic—that is part of my DNA !!——wil be interesting to see how the cavs respond tonight —-hoping at least the competitive energy is there —-still don’t see the cavs getting a “w”—that coaching seat for Ty has to be a”little warm ” right now —-if cavs continue with their lethargic performances it will / SHOULD heat up a lot more and a lot quicker !!!
I am going to guess that LeBron thinks Lue is OK.
Wait, I thought we didn’t care?