Recap: Raptors 133, Cavs 99 (Or, Let’s Beat A Decomposed Horse)
2018-01-12The Cavs fell to the Raptors by 34 points. It was another night of lackadaisical effort on both ends of the floor. At this point anything I say is beating a decomposed horse. It was a dead horse when the Cavs were playing so poorly early in the season. It’s not fair to let the horse live forever. He could be getting beat on the rest of the season. Eventually, the horse should be allowed to decompose completely and be left alone.It’s the most humane thing for him.
The Cavs were out-rebounded, 63-35 (18-9 on offensive boards). They were beat from 3. The Raptors went 18-42 from deep, while the Cavs made just six of their 26 tries.
Cleveland hit zero 3s in the first half, despite averaging 12.5 total a game prior to tonight. They were outscored in the paint, 66-50. The Raptors shot 50% from the field, while the Cavs shot 38.2%. And, Toronto was without two of their top three players. Serge Ibaka missed the game due to a suspension for an altercation with James Johnson of the Heat. Kyle Lowry missed the game because of a back injury. Those two account for 30 points a night.
The Cavs started the evening disappointing on both ends of the floors. It didn’t take long for it to go bad. In fact, just two minutes in this tweet popped up.
Done with this team. They know what their problems are and they simply don’t care. Zero effort on D. Zero effort rebounding. Just standing around hoping the other team misses and the ball falls in their lap. #CavsRaptors
— Cory spence (@coryaspence) January 12, 2018
Of the Raptors’ first six offensive possessions, the Cavs left shooters wide open on four of them. It quickly became pointless to even track blown coverage because the Cavs were clearly not going to put forth any effort. They were content to let two, three, and even four players end up covering any ball handler using a screen. And, given the overall lack of effort, it was no surprise that Jonas Valanciunas had nine points and nine boards, including three offensive boards, in seven minutes before having to head to the bench with two fouls. He finished the night with 15 points and 18 boards. Thankfully, the Raptors didn’t make all of their open shots. C.J. Miles hit two contested 3s on his way to nine first quarter points, 22 for the night, and the rest of the them hit just one of seven wide open deep attempts.
Offensively, Cleveland ran essentially zero sets. 11 of their first 18 points (in the first 7:45 of play) came in transition situations where they beat the Raptors down the floor. Two more of those 18 points came from a Tristan Thompson tip-in. LeBron James assured the Cavs didn’t get completely blown out right away. He had 11 on 5-7 shooting. He finished the evening with 26 points, one assist, and three boards. TT had a hand in keeping the first quarter deficit a respectable 30-26 too. He had four offensive boards and seven points (four from put-backs). He finished the evening playing just 23 minutes, grabbing eight boards, and getting eight points. Kevin Love also played 23 minutes, but was very unproductive. He had ten points on 2-8 shooting to go with nine boards for the whole night.
The Cavs didn’t look any better in the second quarter, as they were outscored 35-16. Cleveland hit just 5-20. Enough said. They took just three 3s. And, the Raptors had three different players score over eight points. Jakob Poeltl scored just three in the quarter, but he had three blocks. Two of them came in the middle of the quarter and led to a 3-pointer and a reverse layup the Cavs did nothing to deter despite guys being right at the rim.
The Block And Score:
The entire evening seemed to go that way for Cleveland. Random Raptors stepped up and contributed in all sorts of ways, while the Cavs wilted. Toronto entered the half up by 25, despite DeMar DeRozan having only two points and going 1-7 from the floor. He did have seven assists though. DeRozan finished the night putting up 13 points and hitting three 3s, all of which came in the third.
I don't see the problem here. They trailed Minnesota by 27 at the half Monday. They're only down 25 at the half tonight. #progress
— Jason Lloyd (@ByJasonLloyd) January 12, 2018
The Cavs didn’t even turn the game around in the third quarter. They opened the quarter getting smoked by an 8-2 run. LeBron responded with a lackluster step-back 3, which he bricked. Delon Wright just took the ball down the court and scored with no trouble at all after Valanciunas secured the board.
The Raptors went cold in the quarter for several minutes, which probably can’t be contributed to the Cavs’ efforts. I imagine they got sick of all the wide open looks. However, they finished out the action super hot hitting five 3s in the final 3:50. They were 8-15 for the quarter. The Cavs matched them though with a variety of shots, so they entered the fourth down 28.
The fourth was entirely garbage time, and even the Cavs bench was unable to do much of anything. The were on the end of just as many highlights as the starters were.
Gripes
- There are almost too many bad things to list tonight, so I’ll keep this simple. The Cavs don’t give a damn right now. The team seems to think that boxing out is a crime. It’s not. Skateboarding is though, so maybe Tyronn Lue should give all the players on the team those old Santa Cruz shirts that say “skateboarding is not a crime” so they know what is and isn’t illegal. The lack of boxing out is a good way to put this game in perspective.
- Look at this video of J.R. Smith (o points, 0-5) in the third quarter. In it he forgets to box out after DeMar DeRozan gets by him on a fairly simple pass in with a soft screen. Kevin Love has to slide over to stop a totally free bucket. J.R. leave Jonas Valanciunas free for the put-back. Notice that both LeBron and Jae Crowder (11 points, 4-6 shooting) are in the area. Essentially four guys are stopping two players, and they can’t even do that right. If DeRozan hadn’t gone for the layup, he had both a strong side and weak side shooter open.
- In the next example Dwyane Wade (4 points, 2-8 shooting), gets beat off the dribble and Kyle Korver (6 points, 2-6) helps him out. Only Wade doesn’t care and just lets Korver’s assignment, Pascal Siakam, get the put-back.
- The Cavs are getting beat on penetration and not even helping each other out. They are ending up in no-mans land. They mine as well conserve their energy and just let opponents score. At least when they are beat down they court, they aren’t putting extra miles on their bodies.
- Fred Van Vleet torched Cleveland for 22 points, four assists, and four rebounds. He went six of eight from deep. He did it all in the flow of the game too, which is why he didn’t get a shout out earlier. He just played and took what was given to him.
- The Cavs only had nine turnovers. The Raptors weren’t just getting easy buckets off run-outs Cleveland couldn’t stop. The Cavs were creating the free buckets in half-court situations, and by just not getting down the floor.
Hypes
- No one got injured tonight.
- LeBron James actually yelled at the coaches and showed a little bit of anger towards teammates for not trying.
- Isaiah Thomas struggled having four of his first 11 shots blocked and none of his first 11 shots drop. He took some hits and bounced back up though, which is a good sign. He finished 2-15 and missed all six of his 3s.
There’s not much to say. The Cavs play tomorrow against the Pacers. If Lue is smart, he’d rest all the starters and just concede the game. Something is off right now and he needs to get some energy back into the team. If things continue how they are, the Cavs will lose by fifty to the Warriors on Monday.
Maybe it is time to make LeBron coach.
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/951988335165280257
Live thread up.
think AINGE can ” smell the blood “—he is more apt to make a big trade / and has a lot more assets than the cavs to land a big name player ——really think boston believes this is the year they can dethrone LeBron / cavs and are willing to make a move to better their chances
so RAOUL / JOHNB —I can say by your comments / you are in agreement— DO NOT TRADE THAT NETS PICK —-it will not translate into an NBA championship —-because there is no way we are getting A.D. –who really is the only player that might ” move the needle ” in cavs favor
Paul George might in addition to the guys we have. A lineup of IT, JR/Crowder, James, George, and Love would be tough. However, they still wouldn’t be favorites and given it is PG’s last year, it likely wouldn’t be worth it, given that he, James, and IT could walk.
ENCHILADA WHERE ARE YOU—-BRING BACK THE WILDCAT —-RIGHT NOW I WOULD TAKE ENCHILADA OVER CROWDER
Pacers 117—Cavs 101 — “AGENDAS “—will get the start tonight !!—–will probably get pulled early
This is typical for this team, so no one should freak out. They aren’t this bad and probably aren’t much, if at all, worse without Kyrie, though they certainly aren’t significantly better. However, since last year’s finals, no one should have had any illusions that this team could beat Golden State. That wasn’t going to happen prior to Kyrie leaving and it won’t happen now. We couldn’t beat them last year and almost got swept. A slightly stronger bench isn’t going to move the needle against that team who will be better than they were last year with another year… Read more »
I am with you, JOHN B.
This mid season slump is the same as the last three years. As a grade school kid would say, BFD.
For the Cavs get to the finals and maybe win a couple will only happen with superhuman effort by LeBron. People whining because LeBron can’t be superman every night all year like he did 10 years ago need to get a reality therapist.
And I ain’t buying the “but they do it every night on Broadway” theory. Let’s see how Broadway dancers do after they get whacked by Zaza Pachulia a couple times.
Game 3 of 2017 finals Shumpert and RJ played 11 and 16 minutes respectively for a total of 3pts and 3rbd. I would like to guess that Wade and Green would do better than that.
One of the reasons we lost in 5 was because of Lue’s decision to stick to 7-9 players as opposed to being open minded and playing the guys he has available.
RAOUL—-GROWING / MAKING MY OWN (MEDS)—–HA-HA
will throw out the question—-how many of you think the cavs respond tonight with a “w” or at least a solid performance ——-YES——-NO———DON’T CARE ————————-RECENT CAVS PLAY REMIND ME OF THE FILM CLIP OF NANCY KERRIGAN AFTER THE “TONYA ” ATTACK- SCREAMING ——“WHY-WHY “—–THINK THAT IS HOW WE ALL FEEL ——ESPECIALLY ON MOST OF TY’S DECISIONS
I doubt Cavs win, but I expect them to be more competitive. I think it’s highly unlikely they keep it within 15 with GS. Curry being back is probably going to destroy this defense.
no and they get blown out again
They will get blown out again. Pacers 126-111.
I’ll go 122-108.
A lot of people are either off their meds, or maybe getting them online from China.
right there with you Jason ——BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE —blow it up—start over !!—-keep the picks—even if they are losing—if they are playing hard / progressing ( not regressing ) that would be far more fun to watch than this crap—-oh yeah go out and get a solid coach———–nets will probably get a “w” tonight —-we will probably be more focused watching that “nets draft ” pick slot than the cavs going forward
Lakers beat the Spurs. Clips over Kings. Wins:
11 = Hawks
12 = Magic
13 = Kings, Grizz
14 = Lakers
15 = Mavs, Bulls, Nets, Hornets
16 = Suns
17 = Jazz
Tonight:
Nets at Hawks
Jazz at Hornets
Magic at Wizards
Grizz at Nuggets
Rockets at Suns
Keep the picks. None of our guys outside Cedi, Korver, Frye, & Green deserve to be here next year. Clean house & start over.
Can coach Lue. JVG please. Someone who will hold these guys accountable, including LeBron.
Nobody is going to hold Lebron accountable. Remember, that’s a big reason Lue was hired in the first place…
Fizdale
This was one of my bug fears about getting Wade on this team. He and LeBron amplify each other, and when it comes to ambivalence, they’re worse than the sum. LeBron just does not care right now enough to play hard early. I have to look. Have the Cavs ever been this bad in the 2.0 era? Seems especially crappy right now.
I don’t remember them getting absolutely smoked for two straight games like this. Could be four before they’re done, since they have no one to slow down Oladipo, and less than nobody to put on Curry…
https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/951861314376237058
Superior recap, david
https://twitter.com/realcavsfans/status/951864961948626944
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/951860981055086594
Corby did.
As long as Jalen Brown is in the passenger seat.
+1
The best answer.
Honestly I’m just glad the Cavs took care of business for a time there. Now they can got on a month-long cringe tour and still be in the playoff hunt after the ASB.
Yep. What is it, 6 or 7 teams in the NBA with more wins than Cavs right now? Current play is dire, but they still have time.
If JR was angry that he had been replaced in the starting lineup by a HOF in Wade, wait ’till he finds out a rookie is going to be taking his spot now.
But Lue won’t…
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JR – 27min = 0 Points.
How is that even possible???
Don’t think Cavs could move JR in a deal with the way he’s playing but I’d be calling the Clips and see if they would take TT, JR, Zizic, and our #1 for Deandre and Lou Williams. Id start Williams/Korver alongside Thomas and move Crowder to the bench.
I don’t see why the Clippers would do that.
Click.
I wouldn’t trade our pick. It might be more valuable then the Nets pick by the end of the season.
tts spacing problem was obvious last night. literally as soon as frye came in, frye pulled giant center out of lane and wade made a layup. a layup that had previously been blocked when tt was in game.
Yet cLueless rode his starting lineup till mid-3rd quarter.
Is this a situation where guys are sort of tanking effort because other guys are tanking effort? For example, if LeBron isn’t giving effort on defense, other guys are fed up and saying “Hey, if you aren’t going to give any effort, I’m not going to either” – and now it’s just a team wide pout fest of not trying?
I don’t think so, I think its more to do with the coaching staff not holding them accountable.
It’s both.
Agree, definitely both.
https://twitter.com/MZavagno11/status/951837966997041152
https://twitter.com/RealGM/status/951826478831894528
https://twitter.com/MZavagno11/status/951836587779854336
Yet somehow Lue can’t find quality minutes for Frye.
not a bad idea —rest all starters / concede the game ( at least that excuse is better than AGENDAS )
this could get uglier before (IF ) it gets better—-next 5 games ( even the magic ) could be brutal
We don’t know if other elite teams are going through similar issues like the Cavs or have gone through them, but it seems bizarre that this team just loafs around and waits for things to get better. What happened since the winning streak to cause this? Not expecting the Cavs to win 10+ in a row, but to go from winning 18/20 and then this?! Seems there is a lot going on to cause that much of a breakdown and let down. Next two games, especially Monday’s will tell a lot about this team.
Well, we know by watching these other ‘elite teams’. (frankly, this year’s Cavs team hasn’t proven they are elite at much, yet) You don’t see too many other ‘elite’ teams scraping by lousy teams and getting smoked by playoff teams like the Cavs have. A team may have a bad performance now and then, but it’s not like most likes like the Cavs this season.
I’m sure these other elite teams didn’t have the same #SummerOfCorby the Cavs had…
amico hoops and kjg both calling for Kolby to “pull the string on the nets draft “pick and make a trade —–said it last night —WILL REPEAT IT AGAIN TODAY—DO NOT TRADE THAT PICK ( OR OUR PICK )—-THERE IS NO TRADE / PLAYER OUT THERE THAT IS GOING TO MAKE THIS TEAM NBA CHAMPIONS / LET ALONE GET OUT OF THE EASTERN CONFERENCE—–it is time to accept reality LeBron’s 2.0 run / era is done —-time to rebuild !!
watched a cavs team lose by over 30 ( should have been worse ) to a team minus 2 key starters—–then read where celts are down by 22 and come back and win by double digits —it is called …. DON’T CARE VS HAVING HEART-PLAYING HARD —-OR SIMPLY HAVING …BAD COACH VS GOOD COACH ———— I am normally a very positive blogger —but this team and more so this so called coach have made it very difficult to be positive / support
“It may sound crazy, but honestly it’s a night-to-night basis. Things change on a night-to-night basis with this team. I’m starting to be aware of that,” Crowder said. “We play a lot of different ways. We’re very versatile. One minute I play one position and another minute I play another. But that’s just part of us having a lot of pieces.” (Lloyd)
—- So Lue needs to simplify the system. At least for Crowder.
Crowder believes he knows why, but it’s complicated. He’s never played in a system quite like this. He began in Rick Carlisle’s structured pick-and-roll offense in Dallas, then was traded into Brad Stevens’ movement-based system in Boston when everyone touched the ball and set screens for one another.
None of that is true here, where Tyronn Lue’s system is more matchup-based and designed to attack opponents’ weaknesses. But it means players’ roles are constantly changing. Crowder has had difficulty adjusting to that. (Jason Lloyd)
Exactly, Crowder was a product of a good system. In a new system or lack there of he has struggled.
Crowder’s defensive rating is worse than Kevin Love’s at PF last year.
This is fine…
so let’s pull the “ty doll post game string again “—hey we have a new word — AGENDAS “—- which totally has all the cavs players perplexed and I am sure pissed off—–good riddance ty —take your post game doll with you !!—and also your so called defensive assistant coach
So no IT tonight, and probably no Wade. Have Crowder come off the bench tonight.
I agree with Jason Lloyd’s sentiment. Maybe it’s time to give Crowder a mental break. Put TT back in the starting rotation, and give Crowder a couple of games off. Maybe Crowder at PF is not a good fit?! Give Frye more minutes. Maybe put Korver or Osman in the starting rotation over JR?
It’s becoming clear that the Irving trade now ranks somewhere between at worst “getting fleeced” and at best “we need more time to tell.” Late yesterday a startling story was published that LaMarcus Aldridge also asked to be traded by the Spurs in the off season. The Spurs and Popovich reacted differently that the Cavs. Popovich acnknowledged LA’s request for the trade, and then revealingly said: “I told him, ‘I’d be happy to trade you. You get me a talent like Kevin Durant,and I’ll drive you to the airport, get you on the plane, and get you seated.’ He laughed,… Read more »
It was a huge mistake, since he had no one to immediately replace him. It was a freaking disaster. But hey, Dan won his power struggle, and that’s all that matters…
I dunno – DG wasnt all that great as we stare at the jr and tt and shump contracts; just the timing was bad by cavsdan
My real question is whether Griffin would have given the Popovich response to Kyrie that LaMarcus Aldridge got, and therefore Irving may still been with the Cavs. DG did do a few questionable contracts with the Klutch players, but no one could have foreseen the terrible decline of Shump, Jr and TT all more or less the same time.
Also, weren’t Cavs exploring trading Kyrie before Kyrie demanded a trade? These are slightly different situations.
Also as we have already seen, Kyrie has a mind of his own and nobody knows how Kyrie would have responded to a refusal to trade him. I still think there was a greater chance it would have blown up in our face to keep him rather than getting a greater return from trading him (we got a reasonable return given the situation).
Griff said on a podcast last week that they were prepared to deal Kyrie if he wasn’t “all in” with the Cavs. He just wasn’t there when Kyrie made that known.
Thanks Tom. Didn’t hear that. Then the question becomes would Griff have done better than Altman? I have to think so.
LeBron’s is GM too.
The Cavs are at Indy tonight. That should bode well /s.
Oladipo like a kid at Christmas…
Coach Lue on his postgame interview: “We’ve got to be better. We know that. But until we play better defensively, I think offensively sharing the basketball, everyone on the same page — and if guys have agendas, we’ve got to get rid of our agendas and play the right way.” What??? You don’t have a defensive mentality Lue. The Cavs have been horrible at defense since you got here. You are a bad coach and can’t figure out the best rotations that will help the team. If you DO get a rotation that works, you somehow go away from them… Read more »
Well, it’s that time of year I hate the Cavs. Can’t ever just have a team that tries hard. God forbid we got to enjoy the winning seasons. Heaping pile of excuses. Anyone see the post games? The same meaningless answers, I assume?
Took them ages to put the postgames up on the web. Probably had to vet them for language, signs of depression ;) . Actually, I saw a bit of resilience in these interviews. LBJ fairly balanced & philosophical (unlike the previous loss) and a sense of humour. IT determined.
The Cavs have made changes of some sort every season since Lebron has been back, so imagine changes will occur this season as well. While I wouldn’t be surprised Lue is fired, I doubt that will happen cause I don’t know who would replace him (maybe Larry Drew?). Team looks beyond horrible right now, and not sure what happened since the winning streak. Maybe team played crap teams during that streak and took advantage, or its time of year where team is getting tired and waiting for All Star break in a month. I think Lue needs to bench JR,… Read more »
Might as well start practicing; maybe it would help? These guys are not in game shape
Thanks David. The footage I saw of the LBJ / coaches shouting involved LBJ shouting at one of the coaches (maybe Damon Jones?). The coach returned the fire, pointing directly at James as he shouted back. At that point I felt a comeback was unlikely, switched the game off and went for a jog.
Apparently it was Phil Handy.
David you killed this recap. which had to be annoying to have to write. and watch. and think about. The Cavs had a dismal January during their 2016 championship run. And i mean dismal. This january is currently on par with that one. Honestly…our only hope is that Lue reads Ben Worth’s articles. Cuz he’s not playing cedi in the spots that work, he’s not playing channing frye at all, he’s not using lineups that have had success in the past, and he also doesn’t seem to remember how effective Calderon was in his starting role. IT needs to get… Read more »
“The Cavs had a dismal January during their 2016 championship run. And i mean dismal. This january is currently on par with that one.”
— Is this supposed to make it all better? Because they were crap before and luckily won a ring, now it’s okay?
I don’t understand the sentiment of the comment.
I think it just gives a bit of hope – there can be a pot of gold still at the end of this turd colored rainbow!
We’re officially getting seasonal affect disorder LeBron. The team follows his lack of a lead this time of year. This has been the script the past four years.
Sorry you had to watch this sharkshow, David. I tuned out very early in the third. I asked this rhetorical question in the game thresd, and I will ask it again: don’t these guys get tired of being embarrassed?
JR was terrible, as he has been most of the season. He looks like a guy getting paid and not giving a crap. He should not be on the court.
Are we still not supposed to care? I will start watching when they start trying. Pathetic again.