Rant & Live Thread: Cavs @ Raptors (Or, Maybe This Game Matters)
2018-01-11The Cavs are in Canada to try and come back from one of their worst games in the past six years. Cleveland did not look good against the Wolves. They lost by 28 and were down by as many as 41 one points in the third quarter.
Over the course of the evening, Cleveland’s defense turned into what you can expect to see during an All-Star game. Guys we’re leaping passing lanes with no chance at a steal and then throwing their arms up in awe when Karl-Anthony Towns slammed down a wide open tip-back or just a regular old dunk.
I’ve blogged about the Cavs in some capacity now for about six years. That game against the Wolves was easily the worst effort I’ve ever seen Cleveland put forth, pre-LeBron return era included.
Which leads me to ask this question: Why does Tyronn Lue still have a job?
I’m being serious right now, and people don’t seem to understand why I’m even asking this. At least the fans and friends I talk to in person. Yet, I’ve never heard one solid reason to keep him aside from his out of timeout plays being solid and that “he’s good.”
Heres a newsflash: that game showed Lue isn’t a good coach. If one says the Cavs don’t listen to him and that he isn’t responsible for that loss, then he needs to hit the road and the front office should find someone the team respects and listens to. And, if the team does listen to him, then he’s entirely responsible for the loss and should still be canned. A title contending team doesn’t go down by 40 with all of their stars healthy!
Tonight’s game isn’t super important in the grand scheme of winning the Finals for the Cavs but it is important in figuring out if the team needs to be shook up. The Raptors are deep. Every single guy on their roster can play; they’re a great blend of veteran smarts and youthful unknowns.
Some of the Raptors vets will miss tonight. Serge Ibaka is serving a one game suspension, and Kyle Lowry is unlikely because of a back injury he sustained against Brooklyn on Monday. If he plays, he’ll be a little slow. All Cleveland needs to do is slow down DeMar DeRozan (easier said than done as he now shoots 3s and has become a vastly better passer this season) and show some pride to keep me from wanting Lue tossed and wanting a serious trade to go down. A win isn’t even necessary, they just need to keep it close.
On a side note, slowing DeMar will be difficult. The guy is shooting nearly 10% better on 3s than he did a season ago, and averaging a full assist per game more. He’s revamped his game and become what Kobe probably would have been if he came along eight years later with 13% less natural talent.
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Here’s my last rant about Monday: The worst part about the Wolves game was the giant “screw you” that radiated from the team towards viewers. People paid to go to that game. People paid for cable to watch it. Some people paid for internet or spent time finding a stream to watch the game. People spend their time watching it. The Cavs are paid and paid handsomely to at least entertain and put forth effort. They haven’t been doing that lately.
I’m a chef. If I put forth the effort most of the team did on Monday, I’d serve some people raw fried chicken and then open a can of collards in front of them and just throw it on their plates. I wouldn’t even pour red pepper flakes on it, which takes basically no initiative at all. I’d be fired. The NBA isn’t a kitchen, but it shouldn’t be some work place outside of basic job rules and courtesies.
Do the Cavs need to make a drastic change, or are you guys not worried at all? Let me know. I’m not crazy thinking this game will mean a little something for them, right?
JR is the worst starting SG in the lesgue with a bullet. Pretty funny now to remember how ticked he was coming off the bench. He wouldn’t be starting for the Hawks.
+1
Fired
cLueless must be tired period.
It sucks to find know that our team is old on majority, our coach most of the time has no cLue, and some key players from the title team are completely useless now. Change is needed but I could tolerate this until we can find the right on everything. I just hope those things are the real keys for another championship.
Praise Lue!
On nights when his teams stunk, I remember Don Nelson used to tell referees that he loathes his team and he would purposely curse them to justify them tossing him out. Maybe Lue should try it, his blank stares are really getting old.
Hire Van Gundy.
Hire my brother. He played middle school bball back in ’87. I’m sure he’ll do as good as Lue.
Guys must be held accountable for poor & lazy play. But you cannot do that in Cleveland, because the coach feels if he yells at LeBron, he will leave. And if you yell at everyone BUT LeBron, you lose the rest of the team.
Good to see you are finally figuring things out. It would be nice to have a perfect world, but no such luck. This is the fourth year of this situation. Too bad you quit watching the first three, they ended up being pretty exciting.
raptors / Celtics will be one hell of a eastern conference playoffs finals —2 teams THAT PLAY HARD 4 QTRS / EVERY GAME ——THEY DESERVE TO BE THERE !!——evil how are we doing on those ” DON’T CARE ” shirts
Cedi still trying…
Looks like we’ll get destroyed by the Warriors Monday, fire Lue and win the finals in seven down 3-1.
Warriors by 50. 135-85.
Maybe not 50, but I bet at least 20…
RIGHT WITH YOU JRL—-HE IS CLUELESS—-AND YES —GOOD NIGHT —I MIGHT TUNE IN TOMOROW NIGHT —HAVE TO CELEBRATE DAD’S 96TH BIRTHDAY FIRST !!!!
By the way another 37 points allowed this quarter.
About to allow another 130 points for a game again.
And yet the Cavs FO don’t do nothing.
You always want to cut the deficit under 30 by the end of the third quarter.
said at the beginning of the game the cavs ARE AN EXPOSED DEFENSIVE TEAM—- the scouting report is out —-all THE TEAMS KNOW HOW / FEEL CONFIDENT ON HOW TO ATTACK THEM ——-NO TEAM FEARS THE CAVS ANYMORE !!!—-NOR SHOULD THEY !!
And that’s the key, nobody fears the Cavs anymore
Last comment for the night, can’t watch this crap anymore…
Lue, instead of bringing in Frye who can actually score, decides to bring in TT. He also leaves in JR who has been horrid, as opposed to Cedi/KK/Green. He needs to be fired.
Good night!
Not to worry. Reggie says Rose and Shump will provide a lift when they return.
A lift? We talking bout a lift?
That made me chuckle :)
SO COULD DROSE PLAY ANY WORSE THAN THIS BUNCH—JUST SAYING !!
AGREED WHY ARE THE STARTERS STILL IN THERE —-WE DO HAVE A GAME TOMORROW TY—-OH YEAH ” BECAUSE I WANT TO “—–GEEEZ !!!
Lue why the F are you still playing your starters and not giving minutes to the other guys? The starters suck this game…
And why is Zz not out there against V considering Love looks completely off tonight?
And they play at Indy tomorrow.
Again I don’t know what the heck is wrong with Lue.
Gotta believe IT will find his way back. The guy has been fighting his entire life, he’s not a fluke, the guy can score. I don’t know what’s wrong with JR, he’s become an absolute liability, they should start Korver. Love looks sick, he can’t hit the side of barn or finish.
where the hell is ANTE —LAST GAME AND TONIGHT WOULD BE GOOD GAMES TO GIVE HIM MINUTES ??????????
Really sad watching how JR has deteriorated. He will probably be on a vet minimum after this contract expires next year.
Losing to DeRozan and a bunch of G-Leaguers by 25pts. Amazing.
Watching JR I almost miss Shump
He’s a body out there. Nothing more.
Garbage.
IT looks like a child — about 5-8 or so — among grown men in the 6-6 to 6-11 range.
Just curious…how is that not practicing thing working for the Cavs?
Exactly, I think of that too.
Trash.
ok what the hell I will throw it out there just to get our minds off the game—-IF LEBRON CAME OUT AND SAID I AM NOT COMING BACK / I AM FRUSTRATED WITH THIS TEAM / TRADE ME —-WOULD YOU TRY TO MAKE A TRADE BEFORE DEADLINE ——AM SURE THE PHONE WOULD BE ON ‘AFTERBURNERS “
Sure, why not.
JR sucks.
IT cursing at the situation after the time out call.
Lue looking lost.
What a mess.
I miss Ky. Seriously.
In these blowout losses, Lebron usually just starts chucking lazy threes…expect to see a lot of that. May as well sit the starters now.
actually they should be sent to the locker room, they don’t even deserve to watch the game.
the starters need benched now
Down 33… Getting it all out of their system before Monday.
Curry may score 60 in that game…who is going to defend him? On the other hand, he may be sitting most of the second half…
THANKS GUYS —–JUST TRYING TO THROW IN “SOME POSITUVES ” ON A RATHER DISMAL NIGHT——I DO WANT TO LISTEN TO TY’S POSTGAME INTERVIEW IF THEY HAVE ONE —-
Oh no they’re playing again!
I muted the sound. It is less painful dulling one of the senses
as bad as they are—I keep things in perspective —my father turns 96 tomorrow and I also find out the gender of my “6th ” grandchild —–the cavs can lose by 100 — “DON’T CARE “——WITH MY FAMILY –LIFE IS GOOD…..LIVING THE DREAM “!!!!!!
96, nice!
Wow awesome
http://worldseriesdreaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/major-league-theyre-still-shitty.jpg
This Cavs team absolutely can’t afford to be anything but hot from 3…when you’re the worst defense in the NBA, you are going to need to score at least 120 points to (maybe) win…
I think it’s time to admit that Brad Stevens is a better coach than Ty Lue. And I sure didn’t like Stevens.
I would take ANY current NBA coach over Lue.
I think that’s a no brainer…
Kyrie turning out to be right on that.
Anyone missing Kyrie?
https://youtu.be/Rj-qUZ6ZCLY
WTF is this?
Jeez, if the Cavs can’t fire Lue, then at least get a new defensive coordinator. This is downright embarrassing.
Trying not to jump to conclusions but the Cavs got fleeced. Also first I’ve seen if LeBron laying into the coaching staff.
+1. Also don’t want to jump to conclusions, but that max contract for IT? IDK
No one is giving IT a max…he’ll get a good contract, but no way anyone is giving him a max…
Title or bust O don’t think IT is getting that max from us anyways.
WHEN DOES SPRING TRAINING START ?
Again if the Cavs played decent defensively maybe the would’ve allowed 50 points at half and they would have been down by 11 now but then again…..
Cavs won’t make it out of the East.
Absolutely pathetic.
IT is 0/10 and Cavs have not made a three.