Draft Profiles: Cade Cunningham (Bonus: Open Thread, USAB and NBA Finals)
2021-07-10Good evening CtB!
Tonight, we have two Cleveland Cavaliers playing for the Stars and Stripes in an exhibition showcase, NBA Champion Kevin Love and Darius Garland. They face Nigeria at 8PM ET on NBCSN. Along with USA Basketball, we have Game 3 of the NBA Finals tomorrow night, at 8PM ET on ABC. Tune in and enjoy!
For your weekend reading pleasure, CtB continues their look at potential draft targets for the 2021 NBA Draft. This evening’s prospect, Cade Cunningham. Let’s dive right in….
The Pros for Cade Cunningham
There’s a reason why Cade Cunningham is seemingly the prohibitive first pick of the 2021 NBA Draft: He’s a scoring, two way wing oozing with playmaking potential. As a freshman at Oklahoma State, Cunningham posted a respectable 57.4% TS on superstar-level usage (29.1% usage rate). Of particular note is his elite shooting touch, posting an 85% free throw percentage and 40% three point percentage on nearly six attempts per game. He has a pure jump shot that will create space in the paint for himself and the team. He has the requisite length and athleticism to make plays on the defensive end (2.5% steal percentage, 2.3% block percentage), and the requisite offensive IQ to make plays on the offensive end (3.5 assists per game). He will need to show growth in his decision-making and vision/anticipation to become a complete offensive weapon who can initiate offense, but can come in immediately and make a difference to an NBA offense with scoring and secondary playmaking.
Cade Cunningham isn’t just pure talent, he showed the ability to lead a team to wins. Oklahoma State had a successful season, with a winning record in conference play (11-7) as well as a .700 winning percentage overall (21-9). He was able to put together a top resumé performance (28 points, eight rebounds, five assists) in the Big 12 Conference tournament, beating the eventual NCAA Champion Baylor Bears in the conference semifinals. Cunningham and USC’s Evan Mobley had the two most impressive performances of the college season in terms of star players elevating the talent around them. With Cade Cunningham, the Cavs would be getting both a guy who can get his own bucket, but also a guy who can impact team success.
The Questions about Cade Cunningham
It is a tough task to poke holes in Cunningham’s game, especially given the context of his situation at Oklahoma State. Critics will point to his assist percentage (20.4%) and his field goal percentage inside the arc (46.1%) as evidence that Cunningham is overrated as a playmaker and isn’t an elite finisher inside the arc. These critiques can be explained by looking at Oklahoma State as a team. Cunningham’s teammates were awful floor spacers, which led to Cunningham facing completely packed paints, especially in the college game with no defensive three-second violations. As a team, Oklahoma State ranked outside the top 200 in the NCAA in three point percentage. Outside of Cunningham, nearly all of Oklahoma State’s three point attempts were taken by guys who averaged under 35% from three on the season. The one Oklahoma State teammate of Cade’s that was above 35% averaged less than one three point attempt per game.
When examining the lack of playmaking by Cunningham over the course of the season, it’s hard to ignore the fact that Oklahoma State’s roster boasts only two players among the top 100 Recruiting Services Consensus Index Rankings by Basketball Reference, both of whom barely make the cut (Rondell Walker ranked #76, Matthew Alexander-Moncrieffe ranked #94). It’s probably safe to assume that Cunningham will have been the only NBA-level prospect at Oklahoma State for the 2020-21 season. Cunningham’s ability to raise the level of play surrounding him should be unquestionable.
Final Thoughts
There has been no shortage of bombshell reports in this NBA draft season regarding Cade Cunningham. First, ESPN’s Jonathan Givony reported that the Detroit Pistons are considering trading down from the first pick. Chris Fedor was able to corroborate that the Cavs were open to trading up. So, the two obvious questions: 1. Are the Pistons actually considering a trade down? and 2. Should the Cavs make it happen?
It’s not unreasonable to think the Pistons would be open to trading down to the third pick. The ability to come away with Jalen Green or (especially and more likely) Evan Mobley and future draft capital is something a talent starved team such as the Pistons ought to consider. Detroit’s interest in trading down is less an indictment about Cunningham and more about how good the top three prospects are, along with the desperate need for Detroit to keep adding talent.
So, should the Cavs pay the price to move up? According to Fedor’s report, a NBA executive theorized that it would take the Cavs at least the third pick, a future unprotected first round pick, and one of their last three top draft picks (Sexton, Garland, or Okoro). If that’s the framework, then it probably behooves the Cavs to pull the trigger no matter what, although one would have to think that if there’s one “untouchable” player for the Cavs it’d be DG. A DG/Ice/Cade backcourt trio has the potential to turn sad Kevin Love into glad Kevin Love. Let’s hope that Koby Altman has the guts to pull the trigger if all it takes is Sexton, the third pick, and future first, although facing a Raging Young Bull four times a year in division could be a future problem… nevertheless, GET IT DONE KOBY!!!
Phoenix going with Torrey Craig at the backup 5 minutes now instead of Kaminsky.
Giving em great minutes.
seems like it, locking it down on defense looks like
So glad they didn’t call a bs charge there.
Im concerned if I’m phoenix. Milwaukee shot twrribly and still down only 3.
damn sweet pass Jae Crowder, Bud rage TO
BUCKAROOO—–NOT A WHOLE LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN THE “KOBY-DOLL ” —–
I haven’t had confidence since he apparently thought a crippled IT the Lesser was somehow a good player. And then didn’t back out of the trade when he had every reason and opportunity to do so. But he hasn’t really made a terrible draft pick yet.
FRP? Free Range Player?
LMFAOOOOOO
IT WAS TED STEPIEN—-NBA ACTUALLY INACTED THE “STEPIEN RULE ” ON ACCOUNT OF HIS STUPIDITY …………………” MORE BEER PLEASE ‘
NOMAD bro.. kolby is holding his ken doll in one hand and working the ouija board with other (aka cavs analytics) . be afraid.. be very afraid..
LMFAOOOO
NO !!!!—-ON THE PROPOSED SEXTON /// KNICKS TRADE
Unless it contains 19, 21, and 32, it is a joke. They probably tossed the idea out to see if the Cavs were idiots. Who recalls the Cavs owner in maybe the early 80’s who traded away everything that was valuable? Militi? Anyway, as part of a sale to the Gunds, the NBA gave the Cavs a free pick, which I think was #7 and became Ron Harper. Reminds me of when RH was a senior at Miami, he was signing autographs before his last game at OU. I had bought a mini “OU” towel from the Field Hockey team.… Read more »
Josh Giddey looks pretty good!!! That jumper looks pure to me!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecklg6lQJfg
White Magic Down Under…
That shot release is getting faster. Nice to see.
It’s pretty smooth and no hesitation!!!
No ability to finish left hand though, gonna need to work on that.
I’d think there is no way we deal Sexton for Knox, Ibi, & a first at this point. He is our biggest trade chip in a trade up scenario. Maybe LNJ but he ain’t going anywhere. I mean, he is a terrible fit here. Garland looks legit at PG. Okoro is small for a SF and better suited for SG. We could land Green in the draft. But when that big trade does not happen, I think we have to think about it. He is durable, gets buckets, and is a hard worker. Knox is a dud, but worth a… Read more »
I see Obi as possibly a 3 small ball 4 with the expectation the 3ball becomes legit. In fact, I think his ceiling is basically 3 and D wing role player.
He cannot guard on the perimeter. No way is he a 3.
that’ll be probably why he washes out, undersized small ball 5 who can’t switch onto the perimeter is pretty much useless.
make that the 19, 21, and 32 if they want us to listen.
A lot of fan bases appear to be drooling at the prospect of getting Sexton.
KLOVE some nice defense and a nice cut!!
DG still needs to learn to be aggressive finding his shot… just passed up a wide open pull up 3.
DG FOR THREE!!!! ASSIST FROM KD!!!
Kevin Love looking like a disaster…. dude needs to get his head into the game.
Team USA stop sandbagging I guess LMFAOOOOO
DARIUS GARLAND ASSISTING TO DRAYMOND FOR TEAM USA!!!!
Lol…you might all get Obi and ‘Basketball Poison’ Kevin Knox after all.
https://twitter.com/AmNotEvan/status/1414960205746540545?s=20
knox has been a dud, but he showed some flashes early (is he a check-casher ?),, perhaps a change of scenery and new beginning is all he needs..however, this deal looks light for the cav-nots.. i will defer to those on this site who know better than me.. kolby should be very careful venturing into the deep end of the pool.. as clint eastwood admonished.. “a man’s got to know his limitations”
yeah, IDK, I want to say it’s probably light for the Cavs, but probably a realistic portrait for how Sexton is valued based on analytics… this is what I’m seeing:
Obi is roughly equal to Sexton by EPM, but Obi is a year older so Knicks throw in a FRP as an age tax.
So, superficially, we’re getting a net plus with the FRP, but we’re not getting proper compensation for the value of Sexton’s scoring at his age, which would be the basis for demanding a “star” return.
If I were the Cavs, I’d see about both FRPs.
might be onto something. the Knicks are kind of going for it now, and Sexton might be a fan fave there. They have 19, 21, 32, 58. Let ’em keep 58
Yup 100%…. Sexton actually fits them perfectly… they have all the defense in the world and no one who can get a bucket like Sexton can.
agree. Sexton doesn’t fit so well with the Cavs, and also the CtB people are kind of sick of him.
But he is a very valuable player for most teams, and we darn well better get a lot for him. That is why I think Sexton + #3 might fly for #1.
Of course, if CC flashes, the Cavs 2022 FRP will not be worth so much!
IDK if he’s valuable for most teams…. he works with the Knicks because they have a fantastic defense already.
Also, with the Knicks, he can play the point guard there because they don’t really care about passing (ranked 29th in assists per game), their system is all about iso buckets.
He’d be replacing Elfrid Peyton who was probably the worst starting PG in the NBA, even worse than Garland.
WOW, didn’t realize they had 3 first round picks…. yup, I’d ask for all three, settle on the top two.
32 if a FRP in the NFL …, in the NBA, not so much
Beginning to think Durant can’t win with these cats.
So far Durant can’t win with anyone other than backing up Steph and Klay
ouch.. but true.. rock on dude
Box score: https://www.usab.com/news-events/live-stats/2021/mnt/7-12-21-usa-vs-aus-box.aspx
Oh man. Im bummed i missed this game.
it was a good one, outside of team USA’s defense LMFAOOOo
HEY OUR OLD FRIEND JOE VARDON!!!! LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
https://twitter.com/ChaseHughesNBCS/status/1414769894952951808?s=20
Entertaining game. Nice to see some new Aussie representatives play well – Thybull & Goulding particularly. Beal & Dame balled out. Interesting to see what the final makeup for USA is at the Big Show.
USA needs some defenders and team players who know how to pass the ball…. they have just a bunch of bucket getters and nothing else.
Thybulle and Goulding were great off the bench!!!
DELLY DAGGER DEFLECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
😂
Mills Jingles and Delly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
They did good too
WOW DELLY DAGGER STEAL??????????!!!!!!
Deflection by Kay I think
ahh sorry the American announcers thought it was Delly
Comedy of errors by both teams at the death here.
oh man entertaining as hell tho LMFAOOOOOOOo
Goulding on 🔥🔥🔥
WOW, Aussie magic at the buzzer!
Too bad we dont get to see Josh Giddey
Yeah, it sucks. They are going to break him in gently I think.
Yeah, cant blame them…. probably not quite ready yet.
Wow Australia clawed their way back!!!
Thybull has been great on D, 2 rejections that I’ve seen.
Refs letting a lot of contact go. I like it.
Sloppy TOs for Oz. Not going to be a competitive game of this keeps up.
i think they’re getting wore down by USA depth at the end of the first half.
Yep. Aussies have little depth. If Baynes is injured, we are pretty screwed.
Lillard has been special tonight. Starting Draymond over Bam seems to be paying off big time.
Beal looks to be in beast mode.
that was some nice read and react action for that Beal dunk!
Not sure if Ingles driving into Dray is gonna get it done for the Boomers…
LMFAOOOOOOO kind of forced into it with the shot clock!
Damn DG with a great move and couldn’t finish it.
This is the type of venue to try some new moves. And that was pretty.
FIRST QUARTER DG SIGHTING!!!
GG so far, both teams moving the ball & engaging all their players.
Yup, for sure, Australia a tough out!!!
FWIW, multiple 40 point games in the same Finals is pretty rare air. I believe Giannis is the 8th NBA player to do it, and I think there are 3-4 ABA instances. Vast majority in late 60’s/ early 70’s.
I think the list is Baylor, West (x3), Rick Barry, Shaq, Jordan, Wade, LeBron (x2) & Giannis. ABAs were Connie Hawkins, Roger Brown, Dan Issel, Dr. J.
Of the NBAs, only MJ, Shaq, Wade, and 1 of Bron’s were in a winning effort. Of the ABAs, only Issel lost.
1962 Baylor: 35, 36, 39, 38, 61, 34, 41. L in 7. Bos. 1965 West: 26, 45, 43, 22, 33. L in 5. Bos. 1966 West: 41, 18, 34, 45, 31, 32, 36. L in 7. Bos. 1967 Barry. 37, 30, 55, 43, 36, 44. L un 6. Phil. 1968 Hawkins. 39, 18, 19, 47, x 41, 36. W in 7. 1969 West: 53, 41, 24, 40, 39, 26, 42. L in 7. Bos. 1970 Brown: 19, 23, 17, 53, 39, 45. W in 6. 1971 Issel: 27, 40, 24, 19, 33, 21, 41. L in 7. 1976 Erving: 45,… Read more »
Jordan & the Logo with 4 in a single finals (and West had a 39er as well). Barry & Shaq had 3.
HOFers all.
Baylor, MJ, Dr. J, & Shaq also had every other game with 30+.
Yup…. historic Finals already for Giannis, Jrue and Middleton need to keep showing up as they did last night.
I wrote a thread
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/1414627629857218562?s=20
Awesome thread, Nate.
LMFAOOOOOO
Giannis trying to take over completely and Suns don’t have an answer…if he ever gets an outside shot going even at 40% Bucks have a shot here….again home team has won every game so until that doesnt happen it’s a series…still think Middleton and Holiday need to play very well for Bucks to win it
https://twitter.com/sreekyshooter/status/1414405642580811777?s=20
yup, turned the tide of that 3rd quarter I think.
MikeO officially s**tfaced after the “aggressiveness” exchange just now.
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I had to pour out my beer.
Was listening to this exchange in the car and wondering how you were getting on MikeO. Toooo funny.
PARTY FOUL MIKE!!!!!
Holp crap that dunk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/1414399628758429698?s=20
Bridges hero to zero. Ouuch.
Suns wasting a masterclass by Ayton and CP3
Bucks big three showed out big time in the first half.
Booker was point shaving the first half.
Lopez roasted in p&r
LIKE THE GAME …………” MORE BEER PLEASE “——-THANK YOU MARK :-)
New fun drinking game, guyz. Drink every time Mark Jackson says ‘aggressive’.
I don’t think the Pistons are trading for anything, but I’d do 3, Sexton, and a future 1st in a heartbeat. Pretty much nothing I’d pull off the table except Larry Nance and DG.
Yup, only reason for them to trade at all is if they just fell absolutely in love with Mobley I’d guess.
I guess the reasoning goes that they are so bad they need multiple top tier picks to fix it.
If they do not think Cade is that much better than Mobley, then it makes sense. Essentially what the Hawks did with the Trae/Luka deal. Though at 1 & 3 rather than 3 & 5.
But I doubt they do it. In our shoes, I would agree with Nate, I’d do YB + furure first in a heartbeat.
yup
THANKS CLF —STAT LINE —–KLOVE WITH ” SIMILAR CAVS STATS ” :-( IT WOULD BE NICE IF YOUNG BULL AND EVEN MORE SO HIS AGENT WOULD ” BUY INTO ” THE 6TH MAN ROLE —THERE IS MONEY TO BE MADE THERE —-MORE IMPORTAN HE WOULD BECOME SO MUCH MORE VALUABLE TO THE CAVS
YOU MAKE SOME VALID POINTS RAOUL—–THAT IS WHY IT IS SO IMPORTANT// CRITICAL TO HAVE TOP NOTCH TALENT EVALUATERS ON YOUR STAFF —-EVEN THEN IT IS SOMEWHAT OF A “CRAP SHOT ‘ —–NO I WOULD NOT INCLUDE DG AS PART OF A TRADE DEAL FOR CC
Last 8 #1 picks (from Wikipedia):
Anthony Bennett, Andrew Wiggins, Karl-Anthony Towns, Ben Simmons, Markelle Fultz, Deandre Ayton, Zion Williamson, Anthony Edwards
Anyone care to rank them for how valuable they turned out to be — say like AB is the 50-th best player from 2013 — and so on?
Last 8 #1 picks (copied from Wikipedia):
Anthony Bennett, Andrew Wiggins, Karl-Anthony Towns, Ben Simmons, Markelle Fultz, Deandre Ayton, Zion Williamson, Anthony Edwards
Anyone care to rank them for value in their draft class?
Someone posted a very good analysis of where the best ever 30 or so NBA players got drafted — hint: mostly very high. How about another another angle on the issue: Can anyone calc out, for each draft number, how many players turned out to be all time great, great, multiple all star, one time all star, pretty good, OK, poor, total wash out, always injured, etc.? I am going to guess that a good fraction of #1 picks don’t do much, maybe as measured by making one all star game. For this reason, I doubt that I would trade… Read more »
I think it was Jason or John/Joey? who posted a good breakdown a few weeks ago.
Basically top 3 is where you want to be in the draft. The Cavs are in a great position as is obviously.
Which is why the only guy I’d trade is Sexton, because there’s three years of evidence that he can’t play defense and struggles to run offense for anyone except himself.
pretty much agree.
I think Sexton has a good chance to develop into a great third guard — sparkplug off the bench player. I might trade Sexton or Allen if they are going to hold out for superstar money. If they sign a reasonable contract, I would be tempted to keep them.
100% agree… dream scenario is signing both to short term, team friendly contracts.
DOES ANYONE HAVE THE STAT LINE FOR KLOVE// D.G. ON YESTERDAYS GAME ——-THANKS
Here you go NOMAD, not much action and they were both foul machines:
https://www.usab.com/news-events/live-stats/2021/mnt/7-10-21-usa-vs-ngr-box.aspx
I like Mobley & Green a lot. And I do not like the idea if giving up on Sexton. Nor of giving up an unprotected first.
Having said that, I do not think Sexland is a viable backcourt for a contender. And I have doubts YB would want to come off the bench, or will settle for less than a max deal, which I do not think he is worth.
Cunningham is a worthy #1. IDK if he is in LeBron, Luka, Duncan, Shaq, Kareem territory, however.
Take a deep breath — this is Cunningham, not LeBron.
Next years pick is more than enough to move up two spaces. A lot of prognosticators don’t even have Cunningham as the first pick. Tossing in YB is insane.
What a choke job, Americans
Well, if it wasn’t clear to US team members, it should be now: holidays are over.
LMFAOOOOO for sure, thank goodness these next few don’t count!
https://twitter.com/larrydn22/status/1414033688719921160?s=21
LOVE YOU LARRY!!! BEST TEAMMATE EVER!
No doubt about it. Future All Star, imo.
DG WITH THE FINISH!!!
Sliiiiiick!
DG looking nervous out there, as is all of Team USA
Agada – great name for commentators to wax lyrical,
DARIUS GARLAND SIGHTING!!!!
Finally!
THATS RIGHT SIMMO!!!
Is it my imagination, or is he looking bulked up?
He looks bigger! Honestly I think he looks taller and bigger!
Enjoyable game so far, Nigeria filling it up from downtown
yup Nigeria is no joke!!! They can ball!
DITTO “” WHAT MIKE O POSTED
right on NOMAD!!! Thanks for checking it out!
KLOVE clamping up Precious Achuiwa!!! LOVE TO SEE IT!
WE HAVE A KLOVE SIGHTING!!!
right away, screen assist for Zach Lavine!
I would do the third pick, next year’s first, and Sexton, but probably not Garland or Orkoro. I’m not completely sold on Cunningham being that kind of player, but with his size and shooting he looks like a perfect fit for the current Cavs roster.
Really can’t wait for the draft. Thanks for the writeup.
Yeah, the fit with Garland’s passing and spacing and Okoro being the ultimate team player seems to be the ideal environment to put Cade in. But I think you have to consider parting with any of the three to get Cade…. the question becomes how confident are the Cavs that Cade turns into a point guard???
Appreciate you reading as always Mike… and I was motivated to get this done so that thtere was an open thread in case DG or Love play :)
I really don’t see Cade turning into a pure ‘point guard’…I see some media people saying that, and I just think ‘uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh….’. But it’s not like I’ve watched him a ton, either. His shooting is for real, though.
I do think it’s there…. it’s really hard to overestimate how bad his teammates were at OSU especially compared to Suggs or Mobley.
Ditto – thanks for the off-season writeups keeping CtB engaged and educated.
Appreciate the love as always Simmo!!! Same goes to you with your keen eye for the game!
way too much. if you are even considering #3 and Garland, call Betty Ford