Cavs Free Agency Primer 2024 (or, To Dream the Impossible Dream)
2024-07-01It’s a quiet Sunday evening. The Free agency negotiation period started around 6 PM, and things have been eerily quiet. There have been some minor deals: KCP to the Magic, Drummond to the Sixers, Chris Paul is a Spur… But for the most part, teams are keeping their powder dry. For the Cavs, it seems like they don’t have much up their sleeve for free agency. The Cavs are about 5.5 million below the first Salary Cap Tax apron, due to cap holds on Isaac Okoro ($11.8 million qualifying offer) and Jaylon Tyson ($3.3 million). If the Cavs were somehow able to shed Okoro’s deal without taking on extra salary, they’d have the full $8.64 non-taxpayer Midlevel exception to use on free agency. Depending on how that shakes out, they might be able to use the non-taxpayer mid-level exception at $5.34 million.
The Cavs are in an odd spot. They don’t have much room to work with below the tax apron, and they have some roster holes: most specifically they could really use a long 3/4 and a big who can shoot, and thereby play with Allen or Mobley. Commenter, Jason, recently summed up the Cavs’ depth chart nicely.
12 spots taken:
PG: Garland, Porter
Combo Guard: Mitchell, Jerome
SG: Merrill
Wing: Strus, LeVert, Tyson
F: Wade, Niang
PF/C: E Mobley
C: Allen
Free Agents:
Wing: Okoro (RFA), Bates (RFA)
F: Morris, Nance (2W)
PF/C: I. Mobley (2W)
C: TT, Jones
This doesn’t leave a lot of room to add dudes, if you think Okoro and Bates will be re-signed. The Cavs could probably squeeze one more two-way if they decided to cut Isaiah Mobley, but I doubt they will. What they should be looking to do is some maneuvering to grab some rotation players at a lower price and possibly move off the Niang contract. But since Georges is good friends with Donovan Mitchell, I doubt that happens, and if it does, it will be after the ink is dry on Mitchell’s contract extension.
It would also be nice to have one or two other roster spots to carry depth at the big man spot now the the Cavs have a ton of guards. Attaching Ty Jerome’s $2.5 million to any deal, shouldn’t be that hard of a sell. If the Cavs didn’t have so many guards, it would be nice to see if Ty could give them anything.
To add anyone of substance, the Cavs either need to cut bait on Okoro, or accept that they’ll be hard capped at a little over $8.6 million if they add someone with the MLE. With those parameters, it’s likely that if the Cavs are to do more than rest on their laurels, they’ll likely need to make a trade. Here’s some deals to consider if the Cavs were to trade for someone – deals a risk averse Koby Altman would loathe, but just let me tilt at windmills for a while I dream of the Cavs doing something meaningful in free agency.
Trade Madness
Trade 1: Send Isaac to Detroit. I get it. Why would you send Isaac back to J.B.? What did Ice ever do to deserve that fate. On the other hand, Bickerstaff may value him more than many other players and on Detroit, Ice might finally be able to develop an offensive game. I’d love to trade Isaac for Beef Stew – a player who can shoot, rebound, and run the floor with Evan Mobley or Jarrett Allen. In this deal, Ice gets a nice pay bump and the Cavs get a back-up 4/5. They also get off Okoro who is not worth what they’ll pay him. See the end of this article for a list of guys who can brick threes at a third of the price.
Why would the Pistons do this when they have like $50 million in cap room, and could just give Okoro an RFA offer? Well, cause they want to pay a salary for Okoro that’s reasonable. But in all honesty, they probably wouldn’t do it. But one can dream.
Trade 2: the Darius Garland dump. I know the Spurs just agreed to terms with Chris Paul, but let’s not pretend he can play more than 15 a night. Garland and CP3 would be a perfect one-two punch for San Antonio, and Garland could absolutely use the tutoring. The Cavs get a couple picks back in this “four quarters for a dollar” trade, but I don’t love this one either.
Trade 3: the Brandon Ingram Soul Sale. The Cavs could find lots of suitors for Jarrett Allen, considering that he’s a bargain for a borderline all-star starting center, who’s making $20 mil per the next two seasons. In this trade, Koby Altman wakes up early and goes down to the crossroads to see a man in a suit and tie. Koby challenges the devil to a battle of cap knowledge and loses. The Cavs get Brandon Ingram and an economically impossible future when his contract demands explode in a year, and Herb Jones who is a real, honest-to-god stopper against long 3s and 4s. Koby must give up his soul or include an Ingram extension which is not something that should make any of us comfortable. Watching him mope through the playoffs sends more than a couple Cavs fans to Hell.
There are other deals out there for Allen but most would require three teams. The Cavs could go after Jerami Grant who is a good scorer on a bad team, but Portland doesn’t make sense for Allen, so a third team would be necessary.
Trade 4: What Could Have Been. I know this is a pipe dream, and I thought it might happen, but all indications are that LeBron will find a way to re-up and play with Bronny in L.A. I personally think Bronny will develop into a good NBA player and that he had a run of bad luck at USC. But who knows? This is what the Darius Garland exit ramp in L.A. would look like: Darius and Georges for the King and Bronny. Of course, we all know that’s not happening.
Trade 5: A Balky Knee to be Named Later. Eli loves the idea of trading for Zach LaVine. If you look at how the Celtics built a championship roster, they bought low on guys like the Zinger and Al Horford. LaVine might be a guy worth taking on if you think he can return to his all-star form. When he played with an elite point guard, LaVine thrived, and a Garland, LaVine, Mitchell back-court is a deadly perimeter trio. Unfortunately I don’t trust the Cavs’ training staff to manage Lavine’s knee, Zach’s best offensive days are behind him, and his best defensive days never were.
Trade 6: Cavulturing DFS. With the trade of Mikal Bridges to the Knicks, Brooklyn has to be in rebuild mode, right? This moves gives the Nets some salary relief this year and next, and gives the Cavs a playable 3/4. I’d love to see the Cavs be able to grab Cam Johnson from the Nets while the buzzards are circling, but I don’t see it happening. This is the best they could do.
Trade 7: Let’s get Weird. Darius goes to La-La-Land. The Big Finnish goes back to Cleveland, and The Cavs commit to playing three huge dudes all the time. One of a thousand issues with this trade is that it leaves the Cavs are suddenly thin at guard. Well, that, and Lauri would have to give the Cavs a wink-wink deal on re-signing next summer.
The Mighty Mid-Level
If the Cavs are able to somehow preserve their mid-level, there are a few players that would make sense for them to target.Jalen Smith: a collective eyebrow went up around the association when Indy decided not to tender a qualifying offer to Jalen Smith, a 23-year-old big with a nice shooting touch, and impressive output. My thought is that the Pacers are looking for a sign-and-trade move here, and the RFA process would not make it easy. But if things fall through for Jalen, a nice two year mid-level would look nice. He is the perfect guy to put with Mobley or Allen, but I doubt he wants to lose his Bird rights.
Aaron Wiggins and Isaiah Joe were seemingly squeezed out by all the depth in OKC and didn’t get qualifying offers, but they put up good numbers, especially from downtown in rotation minutes in OKC, and are just hitting 25. Both are probably absolutely worth a mid-level and would cost you a hell of a lot less than Okoro.
Saddiq Bey is another player who did not get a qualifying offer after an ACL tear last year. He is expected to be a back by January, and could definitely be a buy low option for Cleveland.
Gary Harris: the Magic added KCP, likely making Harris the odd man out. He shot 37% last year from deep, and he’s a solid defender. I’m not sure he moves the needle much.
Kyle Anderson: Slo-mo will likely have to take a significant pay cut to return the cash strapped T-Wolves after making $11 million last year. Anderson has a painfully slow release on his deep ball, and can only occassionally hit from the corners (22% from deep last season), but has hovered near 40 some years. Still, he does everything else well and can play four positions.
Robert Covington: RoCo will be 34 this year, but is aging like Jeff Green. He shot 33% from deep, can still guard three positions and the full mid-level is probably the best he can hope for in free agency.
Gary Trent Jr.: Sure the Raps could probably re-sign him at over the mid-level. Sure, he’s just 25 and a solid shooter and defender, but somewhere the money has to run out. Could GTJ play a couple seasons on a make-good deal to get a bigger pay-day down the road? Someone like him, Tyus Jones, or Buddy Hield are going to be left out in the cold by free agency. The Cavs need to be ready to pounce when the options become available.
Caleb Martin opted out of his deal, and you’d think the bump to the full mid-level would be in his sights. I can’t say I think he’s worth it.
Mo Bamba: the big guy hunts blocks and threes, two things the Cavs need. The mid-level might be too low for him, and at 25 Mo will have his pick of teams if he has to play for it. But the dude shot 39% last year on decent volume and has a monster block rate. He’d be an interesting long term Allen replacement. I’m just saying.
Luke Kennard can shoot and he’s 6-5. He can’t do much else, but he’s taller than Merrill. The Grizz decided not to pick up his $14.8 million option, and are rumored to be working on a new deal. But if that falls through? The Cavs should swoop.
Dario Saric shot 38% from deep for the Dubs last year, just turned 30, and Atkinson knows him from his Golden State days. He’s an ok rebounder who is better on offense than defense. Seems like a solid backup stretch 4.
Mr. Stock, Delon Wright was a guy I wanted from Washington last year, and he ended up being a buyout guy for Miami. At 6-5 Wright can play three positions, doesn’t turn the ball over, and put up decent stock numbers. He was was super streaky as a shooter, but he did have a monster game against Boston in the first round. He doesn’t shoot over 40%, but neither does LeVert who’ll probably command four times as much money.
Utah’s Kris Dunn is a defense first guard, who is 6-4, shoots judiciously from deep when open, and has fantastic stock rates. He’s put up solid EPM in every season except one in Portland, but he can’t stick anywhere. He’d be a fantastic addition if LeVert gets moved.
Point Guard Jordan McLaughlin shot 47% from deep for Minnesota in 11 minutes a game, at a good attempt rate with an EPM of +0.9 (79th percentile). He’s just 6-1, but if something were to happen to Mitchell or Garland in terms of getting moved in the offseason, McLaughlin should get a look.
Spencer Dinwiddie has never been a negative EPM player in his career. A career 33% shooter from deep, What Spencer for Hire lacks in three point accuracy, he makes up for in volume. He also doesn’t turn the ball over. If one of LeVert, Garland, or Mitchell leaves, he could be a nice option. He’s played well for Atkinson before, and I believe the Cavs can pay him in crypto.
Bargain Hunting
Someone has to be this year’s Derrick Jones Jr., the 6-5 wing who can guard four positions, hit open threes, and run the floor. Dallas grabbed DJJ with a salary barely above the minimum and he started most games in the playoffs of a finals run. With that in mind, the Cavs need to make a run at a bargain free agent for the minimum or a lower salary who other teams might be sleeping on.
Precious Achiuwa was the odd man out in New York with the ascendence of Hartenstein, but at 24, he’s just entering his prime and has a lot more experience than the Damian Joneses of the world. Precious probably will go for more than a minimum, but 4-5 mil for a third big? That might do it. Plus the Gollum memes on the Live Thread would be lit.
Goga Bitadze: I said the Cavs should’ve signed him last year when they had injuries, but they didn’t. Goga sets good screens, rebounds, shoots, and complains to the refs like nobody’s business. The Georgian center had a 63 TS% last year and four stocks per/75. He’s also a solid passer. Half the mid-level seems like a bargain.
Tristan Vukcevic: the Wizards put the 20-year-old Vukcevic on waivers after a 10 game stint where TV put up an EPM of -0.7. While that might not seem good, it’s 64th percentile in the league, and for a 20-year-old big who can shoot (28% from deep)? That’s worth taking a flyer on.
James Wiseman: Detroit didn’t tender the 2020 No. 2 pick. He’s a big body. At the very least see if you can develop James in the GL. He needs reps.
Svi Myhailiuk didn’t play much for Boston, but when he played, he played at replacement level, and did so the season before for the Knicks and Hornets. He would be worth a flyer on a minimum deal even if it’s as a floor stretcher. He’s 6-8 and could be a dude who could contribute as he enters his prime at 26. Maybe a cheaper Luke Kennard?
Cedi Osman: he’s a free agent. He plays fast, he has some size. He deserves a shot with a coach that knows what he’s doing on offense. Right?
Dennis Smith Jr.: the former lottery flameout for the Mavs has made a name for himself as a defensive focused point guard. He’s not a good shooter at 28% from deep, but he’s an absolute pest in the mold of Gary Payton II, with a dEPM of +3, which is insane for a guard. If the Cavs could get him on the cheap, it would be a steal.
And with that I’ll bid my fellow Sancho Pazas goodnight with the comfort of knowing the Cavs have no intention of adding any of these guys.
Cavs should be chasing Paul Reed and one of the cast-offs from the Kings in the DeRozan deal (Huerter or Barnes) for LeVert.
Huerter and Barnes are really good!
I’d love to see them get Reed. I’d take Huerter over Barnes.
Agree.
Wagner making 20% more than DG for cap purposes. Suggs will also make a ton.
Pricey for 2-30 or whatever it was in a Game z7
Bball Paul waived in Philly.
Sign this man
CAVS SUMMER ROSTER PRETTY IMPRESSIVE—— NO ELDER MOBES —- DID HE GET CUT?
He is a FA.
He’s 30
He’s 24.
Hoops Wire trade proposal… I’d do it.
Eh.
Wagner gets the max, Sengun / Green not so far
This was my crazy idea yesterday.
Not sure Chicago is taking on Ben Simmons and giving up picks.
Contract dump(s). Simmons is an expiring and they save $85 mil off the back end of LaVine’s deal.
Selling two first round picks (maybe put some protections on them) for $85 mil is not a bad deal for the Bulls. That contract is a boat anchor.
This is pretty engineered (and generally I like it) but we are probably doing Bridges and an MLE big and keeping Niang, who is fine further down in the rotation.
I doubt they’re doing an mle big. They want to stay under the apron if possible this season.
The Cavaliers plan to hire former NBA forward DeMarre Carroll to be an assistant on new head coach Kenny Atkinson‘s staff, sources tell Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN
What are you all hearing about DeMarre Carroll’s position? Thoughts about his coaching career thus far?
He has a solid resume of being on the Lakers and Budenholzer’s staff in Milly. He was a very good defensive player in his prime but relied a little too much on athleticism and fell off a cliff when it went. I just hope the Cavs don’t play too much drop coverage
We just can’t get a wing taller than six-six I blame Korblyson
FORGOT ABOUT HIS OFF COURT ISSUES—— YEAH NO PART OF HIM —— CAVS CAN DO BETTER
Can they? He’s an above average starter at 3 who can be had for a prospect.
We dealt with Mook, TT, World B Flat, Emoni, KPJ, etc. I would prefer high character guys but I’m not super hung up on giving a young guy chances if the team protects itself.
Yeah. Was worried about you there for a sec.
Don’t want any part of miles bridges.
Acquiring Bridges would probably cause me to abandon the team for a few years. There’s no excuse for acquiring someone like him.
Might be a bridge too far for me as well.
ha-ha!
AGREE WITH MR STEAL 👍🏀🇺🇸
The Cavaliers have been described as a “team to watch” in a possible sign-and-trade for Hornets forward Miles Bridges, though Stein isn’t sure how serious Cleveland’s interest is. Bridges is “known to be interested” in sign-and-trade scenarios, Stein adds.
I think I support this for a cost which I assume is Ice and Niang
Barf.
Double barf.
warriors have responded rather quickly in replacing some (perhaps more ? ) of klay’s buckets with hield.. seems so effortless for other FOs to respond to changing dynamics, at least to me.. what is the market for strus, niang and okoro ? looks like korby blew his load 2 years ago on the mitchell trade, and has been struggling to re-load ever since..
Bad take. Bad moves tend to be effortless.
Buddy averaged five points a game in the playoffs (was benched for two games) and couldn’t beat out Kyle Lowry for a spot in-season after scoring 5 fewer ppg than the prior season. He’s in decline.
But at least they got him quickly?
(I liked Buddy as an eighth man, tbf).
(Klay, despite being ass when it mattered, was pretty productive last year!)
WONDERING HOW THAT WORKS OUT WITH JA —- HE KINDA THREW JA “ UNDER THE BUS 🚃 “ ——- 76ers ARE FAVORITE s TO GET HIM
They are big boys and can sort it out. They will have to, because this Cavs squad doesn’t tolerate shitty character. Actually, maybe that’s a reason for the Cavs to let Morris go.
He’s ass. Two good games and a bunch of weird trouble We can find better
Apparently the Cavs are (one of an handful of teams) interested in bringing back Morris.
CHRIS/ ARCH / JASON—— SEE BELOW “ KA “ ………. “ MORE BEER 🍺 PLEASE “ ——- EVERYONE HAVE A SAFE/ GREAT 4th🇺🇸
HOW ABOUT KENNY ATKINSON 👍🏀
Good point.
Former Lakers coach Jordan Ott will join Kenny Atkinson’s staff on the Cavs
HEAT WITH A GOOD OFF SEASON ALSO/-DRAFT-/FA /——- “ EAST IS GOING TO BE A BEAST TO COMPETE “ HOPING KA HAS SOME “
MAGIC UP HIS SLEEVES “
Whose KA?
Koby Altman.
Oh Koby… brain fart
Or Kenny Atkinson…we got a pair of KAs now…
Jaylon Tyson Signs Rookie Contract With Cavaliers July 3rd, 2024 at 11:53am CST • By Luke Adams Former Cal wing Jaylon Tyson has signed his rookie scale contract with the Cavaliers, according to NBA.com’s transaction log. Tyson, who spent his three college seasons at three different schools – Texas, Texas Tech, and Cal – had a breakout year in 2023/24 for the Golden Bears. He declared for the draft following a junior season in which he averaged 19.6 points, 6.8 rebounds, and 3.5 assists in 34.3 minutes per contest (31 games), with a shooting line of .509/.360/.796. As the 20th… Read more »
With Tyson signed, the Cavaliers are now carrying 12 players on standard contracts, including 10 fully guaranteed salaries (Craig Porter has a partial guarantee, while Sam Merrill‘s salary is non-guaranteed).
Sounds like Hield will be going to the Warriors.
by the way.. excellent title, nate.. one of the best musicals ever..
Kyle Anderson headed to the Warriors
Mo Wagner / 2-yr $22M deal with Magic
any update on the two guys we have stashed overseas? do either show any potential?
Bring in the mullet!
Fedor talked about Travers on one of his recent podcasts. He mentioned he brought it up with a scout who is following him and was sold that Luke could eventually play in the NBA. He talked about how competitive the league is that he’s currently playing in. He said the Cavs aren’t in a rush, probably won’t happen this season, but there’s some belief he could eventually be brought over and contribute.
Recent rumours are that the ballclub Travers plays for is trying to find a potential replacement for him as they feel he is more than likely to be called up to NBA…
That tracks with what Fedor said; Travers being pretty motivated to come over. Sounds like he’s going to have to wait though.
https://clutchpoints.com/moves-cavs-must-make-after-donovan-mitchell-max-contract-extension
if we hit two of these three I’d be overjoyed.
Theis is interesting.
Sounds like the Heat are now interested in DeRozan.
In terms of FA, I’d break it down like this: PG. I do not see us spending much of our FA $$$$, limited as it is, on a PG. We are committed to trying to make DG+Spida work, for good or ill, at least for a while longer. The “backup” PG is really 3rd string because DG/Spida are so nall dominant. And we have Jerome, Porter, and LeVert here for #3 PG duty. Maybe, if a great bargain happens (Tyus Jones, Monte Morris) we could sign someone as a hedge to a DG trade. But I think immediate needs take… Read more »
We are all set at the PG position, unless we trade DG, and I still think we are probably good at that position. Need BIGS BIGS BIGS BIGS and BIG WINGS (6’8 and taller). I’d be open to bringing back some combination of Morris, TT, and Jones, if nothing else pans out.
agree. and we will probably have to
Speaking of.
Forward. Wade & Niang are our only true forwards on the team. One is hurt a lot & limited to spot shooting offensively and the other is Niang.
But it is slim pickings. DeRozan is WAY out of our price range. Saddiq Bey? Caleb Martin? Bullock? Cedi? RoCo? Prince? SloMo? Thad Young? Gallo? Morris?
Bigs/C.
Be it spacers or bangers, not a lot there.
Muscala? Bryant? Holmes? Tillman? McGee? TT? Biyombo?
bol bol
brother he resigned three days ago
Bryant and Bullock seem OK. Buddy H is probably worth a flier with the MLE because he’d be another guy you can throw in the mix in the regular season to balance off Strus / Niang’s streakiness.
Would be totally fine with a Niang-style overpay for Bey
Bring back Cedi!
i would support that move.. why not
Sweet day with Spida in the fold for the big push. We got the 2 big things we wanted — new offensive minded coach and an end to the FA talk. Plus a reasonable draft choice! The wing we dream of will come… someday.
Koby is doing well and Dan G. is putting up the bucks. Good times.
Excited for Summer League.
Houston sort of jammed as both Sengun and Green up for maxes.
Orlando too with Wagner and Suggs…
Mitchell’s comments on Twitter echo the Kevin Love in 2015 comments
“I told you I liked it, how many times I gotta say it”
FA Years:
Now: Ice (RFA), TT, Morris, Jones, I. Mobley, Nance
Expirings (’25-’26): Mobley (RFA), LeVert, Jerome, Merrill (NG).
’26-’27: Allen, Wade, Niang, Porter (TO)
’27-’28: Spida (PO), Strus,
’28-’29: DG,
Mobley extension and Ice FA seem next on the table.
As for FA, I really think around the edges is where we will work. I see a close to a zero percent chance of a Core Four trade before Atkinson gets a chance to drive the car.
Strus, LeVert, Wade, and Okoro (if retained) are the only other guys with any real value. If we had picks to combine with a couple of them, a fringe all-star could come our way (Big Finnish, BI), but we don’t.
So that puts us in role player for role player swaps, distressed asset, or ageing former star territory.
Midlevel only in direct spending.
Even if we shed Jerome and Niang, our cap situation does not really change that much. We could create more space below the tax line, sure. But not like we can sign a big FA fish, and neither will get us much back.
So I think we will look for FA value. Guys who are good players/contributors but who get squeezed by the market and might be willing to sign for less on a good team. Or guys who can be shaken loose with 2nd round picks like Klay was.
i’m guessing the noise about Cam Johnson has something behind it.
we sound high on Tyson but not sure where he cracks the rotation exactly yet
agree.
I am pretty confident about getting JA and EM to work together as long as the coach is not named JB.
figuring out how to make DG work effectively with the core three is where Atkinson can show his skill.
Yep.
Trade deadline is likely where the big move happens, if at all.
DG play like Hali and lead the league in assists challenge
(I am not as big a believer in Hali as some but I really like his cutting / relocation game and quick trigger on 3)
(combine that with DG ability to activate the bigs, especially Mobley, and whooo)
I agree that this is what’ll likely happen (keeping the core 4 together and seeing what KA can do), but having Garland on this team is an infrastructural issue that can’t be fixed with coaching. Let’s hope his trade value increases as season progresses and the Cavs come to their senses and trade him at the deadline.
did you mean to say “re-trained” with respect to okoro ?
That’s what I’m hearing too. Looks like the Cavs would have to get off to a pretty horrid start for them to trade any of the core 4.
Apropos of nothing at all
https://cavaliersnation.com/2023/10/23/bill-simmons-says-donovan-mitchell-eventually-leaving-cavs-is-worst-kept-secret-in-nba/
NBA insider Bill Simmons 😂
haha! BS makes Stephen A look balanced and knowledgeable
I know most of us have been expecting this, but it’s a historic day in Cleveland. Especially after hearing for two years straight that Mitchell wanted out.
Yes. Have to say the absence of rumours gave comfort, but until the deal is done there is always a chance of it going sour. Glad to have this behind us.
Started by a bunch of people who WANTED Mitchell out of Cleveland so they could pursue him.
Amen. Who controls the narrative?
LFG. Now it was worth giving up Sexton 😂
is Sexton still in the NBA?
Yep with the Jazz.
the Jazz still in the NBA?
😁
WNBA.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40480478/sources-donovan-mitchell-cavaliers-agree-3-year-1503m-extension
Sounds like Mitchell can’t officially sign extension until July 6th. So we probably won’t hear anything until then.
Nevermind. I see the news below.
SO WHAT DOES KLUTCH /,DGS CAMP FELL ABOUT THIS
Windys take is that he’s not sure Darius feels that way and that Klutch is all that serious
AGREE CAVS CAN NOW HOPEFULLY START PLAYING CHESS
LFG…
SPIDA JUST RESIGNED 👍🍺👍🍺👍🍺🏀🏀
I was about to say “I think it’ll happen today”….and voila! OK, some certainty. Now let’s see what the FO can do about other pieces.
3 yr $150 mill max contract extension with player option for 27-28 season.
WITH GEORGE SIGNING WITH 76ers —— ATKINSON/ CAVS WILL HAVE A HUGE CHALLENGE COMPETING IN THE EAST——- ALSO THROW IN THE PACERS/ BUCKS ( KNICKS— MAGIC— CELTICS ) ———WOULD FEEL MUCH MORE CONFIDENT IF SPIDA WOULD SIGN AND WE SEE WHAT ICE IS GOING TO DO WE ARE “ HANDCUFFED “ RIGHT NOW FROM IMPROVING WHILE OTHER TEAMS ARE
The Spida trade was basically betting that the Core 4 + tinkering would make us a contender, as our assets would be limited afterwards.
The Celtics (White, Porzingas, Holiday) have levelled up since then. Philly appears to, but Embiid & George are injury prone. The Knicks look fantastic, but did loose Harstenstein.
Spida & Allen have been fantastic. A jump from Mobley & DG is what gets us to the next level. Hopefully Atkinson gets us there.
The Knicks are better but they no longer have the size that killed us (and Allen and Mobley deal with physicality better).
I think they are beatable the way Indiana is. We have a great defense and we can guard one guy and a team of #3 options.
so, personally, i feel like many GMs are actually playing some decent chess, while korbly is having trouble at checkers.. therefore, what do you highly knowledgeable students of the sport believe that the cavs need to do roster-wise to improve and not lose significant ground to PHI, NY, ORL and BOS, given who is available and the salary-matching issue ? i await your thoughts with great anticipation..
Koby is doing fine, he is not making any of the dumb trades many want to see.
We are one day into the off season. We didn’t have 5 picks to spent on a fourth option like NY or cap space to add a third all star after an off-season of tampering (bc we have a third and likely a fourth all star in house) like Philly.
Stay healthy, resign Donovan, and let’s see what a real offense looks like.
Like with Klay in 2015, sometimes the best deals are the ones you don’t make bc you know there’s potential to be unlocked still
Goga 3/25 damn
Mitchell may also be pondering signing a 3 year extension with a player option for the 3rd year. Since the Cavs haven’t really gotten any better, while its competition in the East has. Korby is gonna live and die with his idea of this core 4.
They can’t get better one way or another until Donovan decides
Market suggests there are ways to do so, but FAs obviously want to know where they would slot in or if there’s a chance to start at 2.
Nate has some good ideas above, but those guys will want to know if they are the fourth guard or the sixth before committing
They could get better by making a trade.
yeah, but the trade you make with no Mitchell in the future probably gets you picks and is not a win now trade (and also depends on what you get in a Mitchell trade). if Mitchell resigns, it’s different and you need production now (so maybe you move Tyson or Ice, whereas if Mitchell goes those dudes get more rope).
I’m not sure there’s a trade that covers all those possibilities at once.
Good point.
probably not. might get better trading DG, but DM appears not to like that idea.
KNICKS / MAGIIC HAVE GOTTEN MUCH BETTER VIA THE DRAFT/ FA ——CAVS SO FAR — NOT
price of the big move. no player moving has been as good as Donovan
If Mitchell wants to land in Miami, then I’d send him anywhere but Miami. Bleep the Heat!
Do not want the Tyler Herro turd package w 2037 draft compensation.
we have options. east teams will be thirsty to keep up with Philly and NYK, West teams will want to push over the top. Orlando, NOP, OKC and Denver come to mind as able to offer interesting stuff.
I really like Precious and Thomas Bryant as bigs.
Wings, let’s see. Hunter, DFS, Cam Johnson look fun.
if cavs go for bargain basement this year, what do they do with last year’s bargain basement disappointments ? typically, stuff snagged from goodwill doesn’t have high resale value.. and of course the unwillingness to sell high (think all-start garland) to rebalance the roster renders cavs in an even weaker position..
The only teams to not make a move thus far include: Cavs, Grizz, and Nuggets.
Well, the Nuggets have lost folks (KCP).
At least we are not in the red.
But I have to admit, not locking Spida up is starting to irk me a bit. Not worried, per se, but irked.
gee, maybe because Spida is waiting? I doubt if they forgot about him.
Since he’s currently in LA, LeBron is probably trying to lure him away.
NBA radio (Amin, bleh) speculating Miami
I can’t stand that guy!
he was wrong. fuck him!
is the guy in the penultimate picture above available ? is he g-league, or undrafted ?.. i am sure korbles is looking at the analytics.. i can see him in a cavs uniform.. (what’s he eating, or is that an intimate act ? i would venture a guess, but it’s rather gross)..
It’s Dylan Windler and he’s about to break his leg.
PML
AGREE WITH NIANG —— SEND TO CHINA LEAGUE (WOMEN s ) 👍🤪
NOMAD bro.. appears that many teams are getting better, except for… ? we are all just waiting for godot (or gordon hayward.. i think he is available)..
lmao OH SHIT IT’S KENTAVIOUS CALDWELL POPE AND PANDEMIC P! WE’RE ALL FINISHED
wow.. klay to the mavs.. nice needle-moving acquisition.. kinda like niang
CONGRATS TO HARD ROCK——- CAVS COULDNT HAVE MATCHED THAT OFFER——- AT LEAST HE ISNT WITH THE KNICKS——- AND IS IN THE WEST CONFERENCE 👍
Are the Cavs waiting for the dumpster dive to start signing players?
We are shopping the bargain bin, for sure.
Mitchell & Okoro are the dominos.
yes.. but first he needs to puke out niang (and strus)..
Klay going to the Mavs.
Renounce Okoro and sign GTJr. For the full midlevel for a 30% cost savings.
Atkinson press conference at 1 pm
https://m.youtube.com/live/3PdNXktIMCg?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3Y5RjRl-YYpWT-73UhNJqx4G0XYjcl7E8lOCWdQYuKJtC_PXAi6HKyj3c_aem_e4xRawK3vefacPyuIb4nVg
Derrick White gets max extension from Celtics.
Alright, when is the Spida extension happening?
I know it’s the most logical outcome that he resigns, and it just needs to play out… but it’s starting to make me squirm a little if I’m being honest. Just annoying because everything is on hold until that gets taken care of. Oh well.
Cavs are likely to go with the usual Guardians/Indians model of waiting until late in the FA period and hoping to pick up some value that has slipped between the cracks.
Yeah, plus they need Mitchell first. But the going rate for some guys that would be helpful backups is like 8-10m so we shouldn’t lose anything by taking time
that is the only option when you don’t have any money
I’d rather have four really good players than cap space, but yeah
Tobias Harris back with the Pistons
26m!!!! what a country
Also they are gonna beat us one game this regular season (they are due) and this blog is gonna spaz
Looks like Jalen Smith signed with the Bulls.
3 years, $9 mil per.
I like all 3 of the trades mentioned but if I had to pick one I would probably go with the Pels trade as much as I like JA and then having the possibility of a mopey Ingram in the playoffs. I love Herb Jones and you could still try to make the Garland/Mitchell combo work for another year before exploring moving Garland. You then move Mobley to the five which seems to be what most people think is necessary. Then what about going out and bringing back our buddy Hartenstein? If too expensive Bamba would be a nice back-up… Read more »
Just saw Hartenstein signed with OKC for 3 years 87mil
most people thinking moving Mobley to the five is a good idea is further evidence that most people are idiots.
I hadn’t heard anything about Caleb Martin being available before. He seemed unstoppable on the Heat’s run to the Finals two years ago. Didn’t seem very impressive last year.
Bring back Cedi!
Love the Don Quixote stuff, Nate. And apprpos.
I like Kris Dunn. I’d do the 3-way but we won’t do anything that large until Atkinson has a shot with the core 4.
I’d expect Okoro + a cheap/backup big and a 3/4 is the limit. Precious is very interesting. As would be Jalen Smith..
Getting off Jerome or Niang would be the guys I’d most like to shed,,but you aren’y getting much for either. Or both.
So PG has a 4-yr deal with Philly.
Nice write up. I will add that the Cavs are apparently interested in Derrick Jones Jr.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10126781-nba-rumors-derrick-jones-jr-clippers-agree-to-30m-contract-after-paul-george-exit
Well nevermind 😂