Summer League 2024 Games 1 & 2 Recap (or, Money Moni)
2024-07-15It’s hard to know what to make of the first two Cavalier Summer league games. It seems both were decided by a pronounced lack of shit-giving. Unfortunately, in the first of these two games, a 106-79 beatdown at the hands of Jett Howard and the Orlando Magic, the wine and gold were the team that lacked vigor, trailing in this one by as much as 34. Fortunately, there were some bright spots: the first of which involved a beefier Emoni Bates who looked in control and like a potent offensive weapon. Bates scored 20 in 23 minutes and despite the Cavs turning the ball over and not playing much defense, looked comfortable running the offense, displaying nice flashes of a nifty two man game with Pete Nance.
Despite Nance’s 2-5 from deep and some nice (and other not-so nice) moments from Jaylon Tyson, the Cavs were doomed by poor shot selection, spastic ball-movement, and defensive indifference. The Magic starting lineup of Jett Howard, Anthony Black, Jay Huff, Tristan da Silva, and Jarrett Culver dominated the Cavs’ starters, with Howard looking especially impressive going 5-10 from deep, and Anthony Black ball hawking four steals, dropping 20, and posting a game high +36.
As for the other silver lining from the Magic game, Jaylon Tyson looked strong and capable with an NBA body and the frame to play some small ball four, but also run some offense. Tyson finished with 15/8/2 in 24 minutes and finished in transition and crashed the offensive boards from the corners. There were definitely a couple moments where he was surprised by NBA athleticism and got stuffed in transition, but he doesn’t play too fast and has the strength to get to his spots. He was also haphazard with his handle and passing at times finishing with four turnovers.
Craig Porter Jr. and Pete Nance were especially shitty in this one, with Porter not being able to hit the broad side of a barn (3-10, 0-4 from deep) and Nance looking Charmin soft on D. Sunday’s game was another story for Nance and CPJ who bounced back in a big way. Nance finished around the rim with NBA athleticism flashing a nice jump hook. What was more impressive was his lack of hesitation, as he fired faway from deep in the aforementioned Emoni/Pete pick-and-pop. Pete was 2-3 from downtown and finished with 14/3/0 and a block. I’d like to say that he played better D, but Milwaukee rarely got to the back-line of the Cavs’ D in the half-court and more frequently turned it over to the Cavs’ who had their hands in the passing lanes habitually. The bucks threw the ball away a whopping 25 times in 40 minutes in their 112-81 loss to Cleveland, with 15 of those being steals.
The announcers noted a “spirited” practice after the wine and gold’s lackluster Friday showing, which must have led to Cleveland thieving the ball all night.. One thing the announcers also noted was the Cavs not playing like they had a point guard on the floor in Friday’s loss. That wasn’t an issue against Milwaukee. Craig Porter Jr. settled in and played like the point guard we expected him to with 15/6/7 line (though a careless four turnovers). Porter doesn’t quite have the same explosion he did when he played for the Cavs in the regular season. It’s obvious the effects of Craig’s late season ankle sprain still linger. Also, CPJ’s still struggling with his 3-ball, and has gone 0-4 in his first two games. He still prefers to shoot off the bounce, but I’d like to see him be able to work for a catch-and shoot.
Cleveland led by as much 38 Sunday and there were some particularly spectacular plays, most emphatically punctuated by rim rattling dunk by Zhaire Smith in the second quarter.
Smith, despite that athleticism is still a little wild in his game. After Smith pitched an 0-fer in his start Friday, he was a bench high +14 Sunday. Smith’s 9/1/3 line was fed by four steals in 18 minutes. If he’s going to make it as an NBA player anywhere, he’ll have to latch on as a hyperactive athletic defender first and develop his offensive game from there.
Sporting a glorious mullet and Larry Bird’s number 33, Luke Travers took Smith’s place in the starting lineup against Orlando Sunday after sitting out the Friday game. Travers has the defensive chops to play in the NBA, and was fantastic cutting off the ball, but he missed his one open corner three. The talk is that the Cavs have no desire to bring him over this season, and if that’s ever going to change, the ability to hit the open triple holds the key. Still Travers’ 10/7/3 line in 20 minutes was in line with the Cavs’ overall defensive excellence. Luke was active on the boards and around the rim, dove for loose balls, and if he can get his three-ball worked out and adds a bit of game off the bounce, could be a rotation player in a couple years. He could also play in the NBL for 15 years.
Jaylon Tyson was less nervous, Sunday, and looked like he was a little more comfortable running the offense and stepping into his shot. He traded playmaking duties with CPJ and Emoni Bates to finish with a 14/7/4 line and 2-5 from deep. Jaylon stepping into catch-and-shoot threes was a nice sign, and he also flashed some well timed cuts behind the D and body control around the basket.J aylon strikes me as a guy with a bit of a “do everything” game, and I hope he’s good enough of a generalist to fill a role in the rotation this season.
It would be nice to see Tyson and the rest of the Cavs in an actual competitive game, which neither of these were. Sunday, that was mostly because the Cavs did an unbelievable job of turning the floor over quickly after missed shots and turnovers. Many an on-the numbers, outlet pass was thrown on Cavalier fly routes.
Sender and receiver of many of those touchdown passes was Emoni Bates. Money Bates looked completely in control for the entirety of the Bucks game. Bates notched an efficient 18/6/4 in 20 minutes with only two turnovers and a game high +20. The only real blemish to his game was his unrepentant 2-8 shooting from deep. As we all know, Emoni can get a little chucky at times. His first instinct is to shoot. Always. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, but his best moments come when the ball moves and comes back to him. Sometimes Bates has so much confidence he thinks he can make every shot where he has an inch of space, when he doesn’t need to. But conversely who doesn’t like that bit of J.R. Smith in him? I can’t wait for a regular season Cavs game when he goes super nova.
I’d be remiss if I didn’t mention one more player. Four year Wichita State player, and one year Aggie, Dexter Dennis was solid in two games, with a 7/6/0 line against the the Magic and a 6/3/2 line with four stocks against the Bucks. Dennis hasn’t shot particularly well, but he has size at 6-5, and seems to play well around the basket. He’s at least earning himself some playing time with the Charge or a foreign team.
The other interesting Cav was D.J. Burns. Burns can’t guard in space at his heft, but he’s got a lot of skills, and can carve out space around the basket. His screens are impossible to navigate. He has fantastic touch and a huge wingspan and a great feel for the game. He stopped the bleeding in the first half of the Magic game by setting screen, carving out space, and grabbing loose balls. In the Milwaukee game, Burns put up 7/5/2 and four stocks in 15 minutes, mainly by just being around the ball and the basket.Burns is a project. He probably needs to lose at least 80 more pounds to be an effect NBA player, but hopefully the Cavs view him as a long term piece that they can develop if he puts the work to drop the weight.
Fresh off the Final Four… DJ Burns gets his first two buckets of Summer League!
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For the Bucks, MarJon Beauchamp was guilty of seven of the giveaways and looked disastrously out of control at times, but still managed to drop 19/11/1 and a pair of stocks. Chris Livingston was my favorite Bucks starter: 17 points on 11 shots, and was -13. The Akronite was the 58th pick of the ’23 draft and was Milwaukee’s best for squad that looked like they’d been out a little too long in Vegas the night before. The Cavs take that test tomorrow night as they take on the Warriors at 10 Eastern. I’d expect them to sit Emoni and/or CPJ on the back-to-back, so it should be interesting to see what Travers can do with a different role. Let’s hope we get a good game. Until then, go Cavs.
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new post up!
Y’all probably not interested, but AUS v CAN in the 1st Q RN, and somehow my skinny boy Giddey has managed to get under the skin of Dillon Brooks. LMFAO.
Huh. Brooks strikes me as a little old for Josh.
From what I hear, Brooks lied about his age before Josh penetrated.
The defence. Penetrated the defence. Just wanted to clarify.
I feel like they lost because of this joke.
Also, sorry for your loss.
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THINK TY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN MINUTES HERE—JUST MY OPINION—— LOOKING MORE AND MORE THAT ICE WILL BE WEARING A DIFFERENT UNIFORM NEXT / THIS YEAR
We like CPJ and Merrill and think they should play more.
We played Vert as backup PG a ton.
Still have an interesting type of big PG in Ty Jerome.
No room at the inn.
SUNS SIGN TYUS JONES FOR 3.3 MILLION—— DID KA EVEN TRY TO PURSUE
There’s no chance for Tyus Jones to get minutes on the Cavs… he went to Phoenix because they need a starting PG, so he took a pay cut to go to a good team.
And they have KD & Booker. More of a title threat than we are.
What is a good name for the KD + KI curse?.
The curse being that they will never win it all again because KD walked away from playing with Steph, KI was too good to play with LeBron.
Second banana syndrome.
Usually you end up too far up your own ass.
I’d say equal but distinction without a difference as it relates to Tyus, KD is so old and they have a clearly worse defense… but definitely agree they’re seen as a contender.
DARIUOS BROWN GOT HIGH MARKS FROM BR AS BEING A “ KEEPER “ DRAFTED IN THE 2nd ROUND——- DID CAVS STRIKE “ GOLD “AGAIN——- DIDN T WATCH THE GAME s —- ANYBODY WATCH—WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS
DUE TO LUXURY TAX —— CAVS MIGHT GET OUT BID FOR ICE —— JAZZ / SPURS MIGHT PURSUE—— CONCERNS/ THOUGHT s / OPINION s
Something to worry about. A team would craft an offer to be slightly too much for the Cavs. Anyone know when the deadline is for FA offers?
Not really that concerned. He’s a role player, who doesn’t really move the needle in the playoffs. If you’re going to keep this “Core 4,” then you’re gonna have to make sacrifices elsewhere.
true, but Ice is a top end role player. lead defensive players are rare and valuable. The Cavs need more good players, not less.
Against Boston, not as much.
Against a team with a smaller scorer (Lillard, Brunson, Murray, SGA, etc), he will help more.
A little more confidence in the three ball come PO time, and more PT with Mobes & Allen staggered more will make him more valueable.
We have around $18 mil under 1st apron, with DG, Spida, Strus, Mobes, Fro, LeVert, Wade, Merrill, Niang + Tyson, Porter, and Jerome signed. That is 12.
Ice would make 13 + a min backup big.
We could drop some salary (Niang/Jermoe) if we had to.
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THANKS FOR SHARING RAOUL ——- EASES SOME OF MY CONCERNS ABOUT NO 1st ROUND PICKS FOR NEXT 4 YRS———HOPING WE GET THE ICE CONTRACT SETTLED AND PURSUE/ SIGN A SERVICIABLE PLAYER (s) 👍
Tyson in the rotation will help a lot and lessen the need for a backup PG and perhaps LaVert.
major need now is a long wing. better backup big would also be nice.
improve your mood today!
Tyson highlights:
https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/opinion/jaylon-tyson-looking-like-steal-of-the-draft-for-cleveland-cavaliers
AGREE RAOUL ——- THE FAN BASE HAS BEEN SUPPORTIVE/ SHOWING UP AT THE GAMES/ PARK—— DONT WANT TO LOSE THAT
RAOUL —— IS IT TIME TO HIT ( WHICH GARDS HAVENT BEEN DOING). THE PANIC BUTTON YET
dunno about the panic button, but it is time to make a trade or two. they have close to the deepest and maybe best collection of minor league talent. it will cost a ton for a quality starter, but now is the time. could also use another pitcher or two, and possibly a position player. Also, a new set of minor owners has been onboard for a year or so now, and so far they haven’t spent a dime. it is time to go after one or more top, highly paid players on rebuilding teams. it will cost some prospects… Read more »
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Does Darius Brown have any potential?
worth a shot i suppose, outplayed CPJ so at least there should be competition.
Year, Cap, 1st Apron, 2nd Apron, Core 4, Roster
24/25: $140.5 mil; $178, $189; $103.3, $160 (12)
25/26 (est): $155, $196, $208, $144.5, $181 (9)
26/27 (est): $170, $216, $229, $132 (3), $157 (6)
Bringing back Ice and 2 min-ish bigs for less than $18 mil could be doable to keep us under the apron for one more year.
I think it is go big or go home time after that.
I do not mind playing Niang regular season minutes if the idea is to keep Wade & Mobley healthier for June.
For folks who have watched all of SL, or more than me, do you think Tyson can play some 4, or is he SG/SF only?
It’s certainly worth trying. He’s stronger than Cedi was. He’s got a build a bit like Tatum.
matchup dependent but theoretically could be a small ball 4.
Player: 24/25, 25/26, 26/27, 27/28, 28/29, 29/30
1. Mitchell: $35.4, $46.4, $50.1, $53.8(PO), UFA
2. Mobley: $11.2, $38.7, $41.8, $44.8, $47.9, $51
3. Garland: $36.7, $39.4, $42.2, $44.9, UFA
4. Allen: $20.0, $20.0, UFA
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5. Strus: $15.2, $15.9, $16.7, UFA
6. LeVert: $16.6, UFA
7. Wade: $6.2, $6.6, UFA
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8. Niang: $8.5, $8.2, UFA
9. Merrill: $2.2 (NG), UFA
10. Tyson: $3.3, $3.5, $3.7 (CO), $5.6 (CO), RFA
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11. Jerome: $2.6, UFA
12. Porter, Jr (NG): $1.9, $2.2, $2.4 (CO), UFA
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13. Okoro: RFA, QO made
Well, now that KA has gotten the obvious contract moves done (Mitchell & Mobley extended) and hired a coach, now maybe he can try and improve the team a bit in FA?
Maybe he needs another assistant?
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CAVS SIGN MOBES TO 5 YR / 270 MILLION $$$$CONTRACT 👍
JAYLEN TYSON TOP 5 PLAYER IN THIS DRAFT?????
watched some vids.. lookn good.. will give koby some snaps if he continues to cruise
Waaaay too early to tell, but he’s been the best player in three straight games.
GET ON BOARD WITH THE AGENDA NATE
I feel better!
Who are the other top 5?
reed, da silva, steward, alexander?
Sorry, wrong filter,
Reed, knecht, kalel, ajay, tyson???
Mamadi Diakite traded:
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40597933/grizzlies-trade-ziaire-williams-nets
I don’t have access to NBA TV but watched the highlights and was impressed by Tyson.
I think he was a little over-hyped the first couple games.Seemed to settle in a bit.
JAYLON TYSON AGENDA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Chucky Bates. Oof.
I don’t see Emoni’s best case outcomes as being anything more than a chucker on a bad team in the NBA. Skinny frame with no real athleticism, negative wingspan (I believe), and not much of a playmaker.
Yep. He would need to improve a lot in the next couple of years. I can see promise in his potential play making, but he would need to develop it.
He is 20 and didn’t shoot well tonight.
book’s not closed on him by a long shot but I don’t think he’s going to be good enough as a catch-and-shoot guy to be a fit there and I’m not sure he’s athletic enough to be a jack of all trades guy like Vert.
it’s still worth playing out the gamble for a bit, but SL has been a mild disappointment.
Emoni can certainly be a catch and shoot and off the screen guy. Again. He’s 20 years old. Basically this would be Bates’ rookie year if he came out as a sophomore. He put on 24 pounds of muscle last year, so you know he can work. He’s got great form and a lightning quick release on his J, he’s just got to follow through a bit more. His summer league shooting wasn’t great but everything was back rim. A lot of that is newfound muscle and having to dial his touch back in. The other part of that was… Read more »
he CAN be, sure. i have doubts at the moment but it makes no difference as there’s no spot for him in the rotation anyways really until / unless we lose Vert or Ice. i’d like to see him doing less this year in the G League. it may take a while but he’s worth a flier for another year or two. doesn’t kill us if he doesn’t pan out and it’s possible I’m overreacting. i’d like to see him more as a finisher and motion shooter in game situations mostly. That’s really the concern — he’s ironed out most… Read more »
Man, Tyson best player on the floor tonight. Playing in control and impacting the game all over
If Tyson gets moved as part of some garbage trade, I will get stabby. He’s exactly the type of player the Cavs need to keep and develop.
Tyson bully ball I like it.
I will be shocked if Tyson isn’t decent in whatever minutes he gets this year. He’s an NBA player. Just needs to control himself when trying to make reckless passes.
The most delightful thing about this summer league is knowing that Laker fans on Reddit refer to Kuhse derisively as “fake Caruso”. Also, I like Tyson.
Tyson looks good with the ball in hands.
Everyone sounds like they’ve spent too long in Vegas.
Emoni and 4 guys who will never be in the nba.
No CPJ tonight
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HAVENT WATCHED ANY GAME s ——JUST BOX SCORE s—AGREE WITH NATE—EMONI / CPJ AND POSSIBLY/ HOPEFULLY TYSON WILL PERFORM BETTER AROUND BETTER PLAYERS/ COACHING/ MORE PRACTICE TIME—— TRAVERS NEED s HIS OWN SHOOTING COACH—(GIVE ME A CALL) —- HOPE THEY KEEP BURNS AS A LONG TERM PROJECT 👍👍
Burns is a year away from being a year away. He has about 80ish more pounds to lose if he really wants to be in the NBA. I wouldn’t mind him on the Charge working on that process, but the focus has to be on his body cause right now he can’t defend anyone.
you serious about 80 pounds? what does he weigh now?
330 I’d bet.
That would make him 370 during the NCAA tournament, so I’m guessing that’s not quite accurate. I’d guess he’s more like 280 now. So he could slim down but not 80 pounds.
watched the game last night, tyson, nance, and bates had their moments as well as couture guy, CPJ stunk out loud sadly.
I didn’t mind CPJ. He had it going in first quarter with the shot, and then tried to do too much. I’m not worried about anything other than the shot looking better, which it did. Nance on the other hand… I have zero faith n his ability to play rotation minutes. Just gives up ground too easily around the basket. Bates was solid again and will look better with better teammates, but he is a chucker. Im not sure what Tyson is good at. Haven’t been very impressed so far. Looks like “just a guy.” G. Osabuohien impressed me in… Read more »
GOOD TO HEAR—/(CPJ)
Got pretty chucky after that.
CPJ’s 3ball looking GOOD in the first quarter.
Guards draft was a 2B, 2 catchers, an OF and 16 pitchers (11 college and 5 HS). Pitching is most important position in all of sports and is most likely to translate to big leagues.
I was reacting to an early report that listed all of the Guards pitchers drafted as being in highschool. That must have been in error.
any data on what fraction of drafted HS players sign, as opposed to going to college?
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baseball question: the Guardians first 11 picks were two college hitters and 9 highschool pitchers. is there a reason for this odd mix?
They run a pitching farm, so it’s not a surprise.
but why HS pitchers, as opposed to college pitchers?
Probably to build up the farm. The pitching factory will develop them into Cy Young winners.
High school pitchers are drafted lower in order to go “over slot” to pay them extra to get them to forego college.
The reason why the Guardians in particular drafted a lot of pitching is that they get a lot of their position players through international signings which has worked out well for them traditionally.
Via Hoops Rumors:
Ryan
12:06 Do you see the Cavs trading for Finney Smith, Cam Johnson, or maybe even both? Maybe do a sign and trade with Okoro and send Lavert and some 2nd rounders as well? Surely they are going to do something, right?
ARTHUR HILL
12:08 I think some version of a Cavaliers-Nets trade is likely this summer because Finney-Smith or Johnson would be a really good fit in Cleveland and they have draft assets to make it work. I could see an Okoro sign-and-trade, but I don’t think the Cavs want to part with LeVert.
I know I shouldn’t look backwards like this, but man, if only we’d been able to make Garland the centerpiece of the Spida trade instead of Lauri.
F**king Danny Ainge and his golden touch for winning trades with the Cavs.
I doubt if anyone would take both Garland and Sexton. Getting rid of Sexton is a big plus.
That’s a good point.
Lauri would be nice to have, but he is not in the same conversation as Spida. The Cavs won that trade.
ainge’s gold is old and nobody won the Kyrie trade.
Lauri was the price for Spida, who is much better. And all they will do with Lauri is flip him for another bundle of FRPs, or like a bundle of picks and some Warriors propsects, another kick the can move.
Golden Age of Cleveland Sports:
https://www.cleveland.com/sports/2024/07/wake-up-cleveland-jose-ramirez-myles-garrett-and-donovan-mitchell-have-ushered-in-a-golden-age-of-cleveland-sports.html
AGREE—ARCH / RAOUL / SIMMO——- GIVE TAVARES NIANGS MINUTES ———KA WILL HELP EMONI’S PROGRESSION TO THE NBA —CAN SEE HIM ON THE CAVS BENCH THIS SEASON—-MAYBE NOT AT THE BEGINNING —— FOR SOME REASON I REALLY LIKE BURN s POTENTIAL—— NOT SURE HE HAS TO LOSE 80LBS —-30—-40 WOULD BE FINE—— WOULD LIKE TO SEE HIM GET MORE RUN —— TYSON COULD GIVE US SOME GOOD MINUTES OFF THE BENCH—— MORE OFFENSE THAN ICE COULD EVER DREAM OF —— STRONGER THAN LeVERT
trying to cover an athletic guy that weighs a lot more than you is a big task. I had to do it a lot back in the day.
Curious about CtB (and friends) latest thoughts on Emoni / predictions on if he ever plays a meaningful role for the Cavs. I know reaching any conclusion based off of summer league highlights is a fool’s errand, but he looks so damn fun at times. The odds aren’t great I realize, but any one else letting their imagination go wild?
you bet!
By all accounts, the Cavs have high hopes for Emoni. I think they want to make him a part of the rotation this year, and are considering him as big a part of their development pipeline as anyone.
I think it’s going to be a lot like the way Dean Wade was developed.
Here’s hoping. Would be really nice for the Cavs to hit on a couple dice rolls.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/07/cavs-darius-garland-i-dont-want-to-be-traded.html#ref=home
this year’s crop of rumors appear to have less facts than usual, which is miniscule to start with
To be fair, this rumor was started directly by his agent… I said at the time that nothing about DG’s demeanor or public comments really aligned with what his agent was saying. Posturing was all it was, and they had absolutely no leverage.
good point.
Perfectly timed rumor to get JB fired. It helped to accomplish its aim.
I’m trying not to let patriotism get in the way, but all the web chatter I hear about Travers is that he is ready, maybe the most ready of all the options. If he adds a good shooting performance, I think he’s a lock.
The problem is the roster squeeze. I just don’t see a spot or minutes, and I’m not sure that he’d be better off playing with the Charge than in the NBL. The NBL is a better league than the NBA G-League.
Will ultimately come down to what the Cavs need, as opposed to what’s best for Luke. Yes, NBL player age is older, bodies are bigger but the NBL development system is less … systematic? US sports development culture is lightyears ahead of other countries. Luke would be exposed to aspects and experts of the game that he simply does not receive over here.
Give him Niang’s minutes.
yeah, there are a lot of ways to get him in.
i’d bring him over if he’s willing on a multi-year deal. worst case he’s a pleasant surprise for the inevitable games where Niang is ass and Wade is hurt.