
Cavs Summer League Recap (or, The Jaylon Tyson Agenda)
2024-07-30Hello CtB!
Sorry for the extended vacation, but it’s time for some random thoughts in the aftermath of 2024-25 Cavs’ Summer League season…
The Jaylon Tyson Agenda
The biggest story to come from the Cavs’ Summer League season is the emergence of California Golden Bear Jaylon Tyson. Everything that he was at Cal, he brought to the table with him to Las Vegas for the Summer League Cavs. The only blemish in his statistical profile is the turnover rate, but that can be rationalized by recognizing this is his first Cavs action of his career. Put Jaylon Tyson’s name in a Twitter search and you’ll see the nearly universal love NBA media now has for Tyson… people are saying “Rookie of the Year candidate” and “steal of the draft.” Initially I gave this pick a B+/A-, however upon further review, it’s clear this was a home run by the Cavs org…. take a bow Koby Altman!
What does Tyson’s early success mean for the Cavs? It means the Cavs have a playoff rotation-worthy guy on a rookie contract, which is absolute gold for a contending team. It also means there’s clarity in the Cavs’ approach to Caris LeVert and Isaac Okoro for the future. LeVert is now an attractive piece of salary filler in a trade with a team looking to shed longer-term money. The Cavs can now leverage Tyson’s emergence to hopefully retain Okoro at a reasonable number or as a trade chip. Can Koby Altman find a way to turn some form of LeVert, Okoro, or Georges Niang into a playoff playable forward? Stay tuned…
More roster competition brewing?
The other story coming out of Cavs Summer League was the play of Darius Brown II, an undrafted rookie out of Utah State. One thing he has over the beloved Craig Porter Jr. is legitimate three point range. It’ll be interesting to see if the Cavs open up a battle between the two point guards for CPJ’s roster spot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW3L5QjZ2m0
The Kenny Atkinson Experience Begins
Kenny Atkinson was introduced as Cavs’ head coach about a month ago. Reflecting back on his press conference, two things stood out about what the Atkinson regime will look like. With Atkinson, the Cavs are trying to address two aspects of the team: 1. the offensive potential, and 2. skill development. As to the first thing, there were two stats cited in the Atkinson press conference about what his offense looks like: first in pace, first in three point attempts. Atkinson will try to design the fastest pace offense possible along with launching as many threes as possible. This is the ideal offensive strategy for a Darius Garland/Donovan Mitchell backcourt, so this is all very promising.
The second thing is skill development. Atkinson talked about his coaching background as one that specialized in skill development: working with players individually to develop skills to add to their games. Atkinson talked about his plan to remain a “skill development coach” even as head coach, planning individual workouts with the whole roster… especially one Evan Mobley. The Cavs are clearly banking on Atkinson to unlock the offensive star potential of Mobley, which would ensure the beginning of an Eastern Conference dynasty with Donovan Mitchell already in place with a new contract.
Lastly regarding Coach Atkinson, I like his humble, player focused approach. He doesn’t put off the vibe he’s the smartest guy in the room, and he commands immediate attention with his ability to be good-natured and positive. The signs are all there that the Cavs had a specific plan to find a new coach, and they found one that conforms to that plan.
Slop Season DOA?
The Cavs’ slop season has been one about extending Donovan Mitchell and Evan Mobley, and finding a new head coach, which they all did. The lone outstanding issue is the restricted free agency of Isaac Okoro. It’ll be interesting to see if Okoro decides to take some longer term security for less money or bank on himself and sign the qualifying offer. From the Cavs’ perspective, it looks like they will drive a hard bargain to retain Okoro at their number and not a penny more. Or, the other possibility is they’re trying to find a place Okoro would be willing to sign and trade. There’s been tons of rumors about Cavs’ slop, but absolutely nothing has happened.
One of the juiciest Cavs’ slop stories was the report that the Cavs turned down three first round picks to send Darius Garland to the San Antonio Spurs. Some of the immediate reaction from Cavs fans was, “how could they turn that down?” However, I’d caution any fan that the Spurs have a ton of first round picks, and there are definitely some better than others. My guess is that the report was leaked because the Spurs wouldn’t include the 2025 first round picks they own as well as Minnesota’s future unprotected first. The Spurs also have a slew of lottery protected picks, and I could easily imagine them trying to pawn them off on an unsuspecting Koby. What say you Commentariat? Would you have done the deal? Sound off below!
One slop shot call I will make: Cam Johnson will be a Cav… you heard it here first, Go Cavs!
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ASKED AWHILE BACK ABOUT DARIUS —— SHOULD WE HAVE AN “ OPEN “ COMPETITION BETWEEN HIM AND CPJ —— READ WHERE HE IS A BETTER 3 PT SHOOTER THAN CPJ ——- COMPETITION IS HEALTHY!!!!👍…………. SO IS ……… “ MORE BEER 🍺 PLEASE “👍🍺
absolutely. CPJ looked pretty good, although a four year contract seems a bit much. anyone know what the deal is with that?
Darius Brown is a stud. He carried Utah State by running the show with great leadership. A real multi-talented floor general. Here’s hoping he gets a chance to do his thing.
what is his contract status?
I like the Thor signing. I don’t have high expectations. But he has NBA size & atleticism. He has some NBA experience. A theoretical 3 PT shot. Could play the 4 or small 5. Starters: DG, Spida, Strus, Mobes, ‘Fro. Main Bench: LeVert, Wade Fringe rotation: Merrill, Niang ———— Deep Bench: Porter, Jerome, Tyson ————– 2 ways: Bates, Thor I am assuming Niang is somehow ahead of Wade atm. Though aside from durability and scoring, Wade is better. Sounds like Okoro will be back on his QO unless something changes quickly. We’d have 2 open spots plus a two-way. I’d… Read more »
“Durability and scoring” – I mean, showing up consistently and putting the ball in the basket are pretty big things!
If Wade plays 60 games and is aggressive and doesn’t gunk up the office I will be overjoyed. Until he does that, I understand why a coach might not trust him over Niang
YABUSELE SIGN s WITH THE 76ers —— I LIKE JT SIGNING BETTER—— JT WAS DRAFTED RIGHT AFTER HERB JONES / PELICAN s —— A LATE DRAFT PICK CAN COMTRIBUTE ——- I AM PREDICTING RIGHT NOW JT IS GOING TO SURPRISE PEOPLE/ HELP US ———- REMEMBER I AM THE ONE WHO GAVE “ AN EARLY SHOUT OUT “ FOR SAM MY MAN 👍🍺👍🍺👍🍺
JT SHOULD GET NIANG s MINUTE s——PACKAGE NIANG WITH LEVERT OR ICE
I don’t think he’s good enough to earn them. I’m a fan of a third big with his theoretical skills but I’m not sure he can play.
I hope one of he or Tyson breaks through but he was forcefed opportunity in Charlotte and they were like “nah”
Niang should bounce back and in any event should have value as an expiring next year
JT s PRE DRAFT PROFILE——- SIZE/ STENGTH / QUICKNESS——— CAN BECOME AN ELITE DEFENDER——- SHOWN FLASHES OF SHOOTING RANGE AND SHOT CREATION——- 24/10 GAME AS FROSH . VS KENTUCKY
HE ACTUALLY HAS A NICE LOOKING LEFT HAND SHOT —— WITH LENGTH—- HOPS —— COULD BECOME ANOTHER MITCHELL ROBINSON
He has flashes. I’m excited for him to run, jump, bumslay a little and not suck in the TT role. Would of course rather have Achiwua but he’s fine
WATCHED HIGHLIGHTS OF JT ——- LIKED WHAT I SAW —— ONLY 22yrs OLD 👍👍
Thor onboard:
https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/cleveland-cavaliers-sign-former-2021-draft-pick-jt-thor-to-two-way-contract
I like this
Core 4: Spida, Mobley, Allen, DG
Top Role players: Struss, LeVert, Wade
Fringe rotation: Merrill
Deep bench: Porter Jr, Jerome, Tyson, Niang
We need backup bigs. That is 12. A big or two + Ice & we shouod be OK. A proven backup PG would be nice, but Jerome/Porter/Vert are OK 3rd options.
BRUNO CABULCO LATEST RUMOR — CAVS SHOWING INTEREST——- THOUGHT s / OPINION s —- WHICH TEAM ACTUALLY DRAFTED HIM
Raps, right? He was a year away from being a year away eight years ago.
He’s a body I guess. Old and short for a 5
how young are you? “What does Tyson’s early success mean for the Cavs? It means the Cavs have a playoff rotation-worthy guy on a rookie contract, which is absolute gold for a contending team. ” is absolute rubbish. It portends well, but summer league success ultimately means jack squat for regular season usefulness, much less playoff playability. Tyson is still a long shot to be a useful playoff player this year. He’s probably 50/50 on ever being a decent playoff rotation player, and def less his rookie year. Every summer there are multiple guys, usually old rookies, who impress and then… Read more »
HALL TO PRACTICE WITH BROWNS TODAY—- DID I READ THAT CORRECTLY????
GO GARDS 👍👍👍
Sorry I’ve been MIA. Coming back the same time as the Guards… 😅
yo, NOMAD, check out who has the best record in MLB
raoul bro.. uncle buck is high on life again.. nice 4 game win streak, and best winning % in baseball.. however, no more than 2 consecutive losses for the rest of the year please.. i am not going to mea culpa, because great teams know how to stop the bleeding quickly.. but doing a 360 is very impressive.. credit where credit is due..
matt boyd (tommy john) looking good..
in fact, looking great. if he keeps it up, and is full strength after playing only 1/3 of a season, this could be a very interesting fall.
SAY BYE – BYE TO BROWNS HALL OR GET HIM THE HELP HE NEEDS
I said bye to the Browns when they traded for Watson. That organization is a toilet. They can rot. Has been nice to have my Sundays back.
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT !!!! i could not have said it better.. a f*ckin toilet !!! how f8cking brain-dead do you have to be to beat the scheit out of your fiance and then put a gun to her head ?? guess what.. you reward pathological violence, and bingo, you get pathological violence..
watson and hall should be cell mates.. give those bad boys a set of matching butt plugs.. they will have a lot of fun together in their 10×10..
what’s your take on actual rapists like Roethlisberger? nothing was made of that because he is not playing for Cleveland.
raoul bro.. rewarding violence produces violence (the NFL is infected with violence.. the kids are poisoned with violence and then get their brains permanently pickled in the first few years of pro head-banging.. remember jack tatum and daryl stingley ? stingley was in a wheel chair for 30 years because of a “good hit”.. people cheer this madness.. it’s just physics in the brain.. mirror neurons, dopamine and reward centers.. NFL should go to touch football (but ratings will suffer i fear).. i condemn all of this psycho violence (boxing, “wrestling” the bare knuckle kicking scheit).. soccer is hated by… Read more »
Every time you post, the world gets dumber.
“THE “ MRS NOMAD AGREES THE MEDIA AND I HAVE SOMETHING IN COMMON———- “ TOTALLY CLUELESS “🤪
CAVS HAVE INTEREST IN YABUSELE —— THOUGHTS/ OPINION s / — MEDIA PRESEASON HAS DROPPED THE CAVS TO THE 6th SPOT INDICATING THEIR LACK OF MOVES AND OTHER TEAMS IMPROVING
or maybe indicating the media is clueless
there are money complications in signing Yabusele, but it would probably be a good thing.
Yabu is not better than Tyson, Ice or Niang. We don’t have a real rotation spot to offer so he won’t come (and is sort of old at 29). 6th is a bridge too far, bc we are pretty clearly better than Indy and just beat Orlando without key pieces playing well (or at all). But 5th is reasonable if you are a believer in Milwaukee. One or two of MIL-PHL-NYK will have better health breaks and finish ahead of us. I don’t think all three will, given their flaws (Milwaukee is old, Philly is thin and injury prone, NYK… Read more »
We are also injury prone, and reliant on Don for everything. 6th seems quite fair.
Indiana and Orlando and Miami are worse than us, did nothing to address their flaws, and Orlando had spectacular health luck last year.
I don’t see those teams jumping us
(Orlando’s “be huge, draw FTs, mug people on defense” might still stack regular season Ws and they have more depth but I don’t think there’s enough there to pass us, and I don’t think there is enough top end talent there or in Indy)
Grady Update:
https://www.mlb.com/news/ky-bush-works-around-traffic-as-white-sox-beat-yankees
France women’s defense has got US completely shook. Unreal.
Holy shit this game…
Wow!!!!
Epic finish.
That was fun!
That was wild. Was rooting hardcore for USA obviously, but would have been pretty damn impressed by France if they could have pulled it off. Still impressive by any measure.
GLAD THE GARDS “ TEMPORARILY “ STOPPED THE BLEEDING 🩸—— BRIING UP BAZZANZA —— KNOW IT WAS ONLY PRESEASON/ 1st GAME— BUT THAT WAS AN UGLY BROWNS PERFORMANCE
let Buck take care of the panicking.
raoul bro.. uncle does not know the meaning of panic.. never experienced it because i see the clouds of scheit way out on the horizon.. and get out my shit umbrella.. never been hit by a flying turd.. let me know when our newest “slugger’s” (lane thomas) batting average gets back up to 0.200
so, tribe stopped the bleeding, for one game.. but.. are you f*cking kidding me !!! lane thomas with another 0-4 night (batting 0.118 in august).. guards picked up a dude with serious steve blass disease (for hitters).. WTF ???.. send this loser down and bring up a kid.. anybody.. give a kid a chance, and get this “pro” some therapy and some AAA pitching.. the trade to ensure some extra stick in the lineup has failed miserably.. i will give the guards more leeway than the cavs, as they have shown a much better awareness of under-the-radar talent over the… Read more »
whoa baby.. steph curry put an epic smile on uncle buck’s sour puss.. what a performance.. for the ages.. going to celebrate with a big glass of prune juice.. you like the “drink of warriors” NOMAD bro ? (which one of yuns knows where that name comes from ?)..
USA lucky France can’t hit FTs. Tight game.
Cavs playing 3D chess? Hire Kenny to plant the seeds of Wemby to Cleveland.
good thinking!
PANIC BUTTON TIME FOR THE GARDS ——- HELL BRING UP BAZZANZA
3—0 TWIN s LEADING………” MORE BEER 🍺——- RUNS PLEASE “
Guess who is coaching in the Olympic basketball finals?
Guards need to have Manzardo catch a Uber from St. Paul to Min in time for today’s action.
Grady Sizemore new White Sox manager.
KEEP THROWING BACK THOSE “TC s “ MR STEAL 👍🍺👍🍺
RAOUL —-👍👍👍🍺🍺🍺
HEY BUCKAROO ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO HEAR FROM YOU 👍👍😀😀—— CAVS HELPED LAURI TO BE A RICH MAN —— GARDS UNFORTUNATELY ARE “ FREE FALLING “ —- NEED TO SWEEP OR 2/3 FROM TWINS THIS WEEKEND 👍🍺👍🍺
better yet, 3/4
our newest “slugger” is batting .138 in august !!!! are you f&cking kidding me ???? looks to me like they are on the way to an 0-4 sweep (lost 1st game, and are losing tonight).. when i smell the unmistakable odor of scheit, you can bank on it..
Bring on the mullet.
markannen signs 5 yr $238 mill contract with jazz.. cha ching.. garland signed for 5 yr $193 million.. money suggests koby traded the wrong guy.. mitchell on a 3 yr $150 million.. tatum signed a 5 yr $315 million extension.. reminds me of the good ‘ol days.. nettles, tidrow, chambliss, eckersley, ramirez.. they leave “the land” and boom.. guardians imploding on a 5 game losing streak (lane thomas went 2-9 in the double header loss.. does koby manage them too ?).. CLE pro teams shitting the bed still makes me slightly nauseated (and i haven’t watched 1 inning all year)..… Read more »
actually the Guards are in first place
i noted that raoul bro.. but double-header losses to go 0-5 is simply unacceptable.. when my nose starts twitching, it usually means diarrhea on the doorstep..
HOW IS SUMMER TREATING YOU MR STEAL—— HOPE YOU HAVE FOUND TIME FOR……. “MORE BEER 🍺 PLEASE “ —— I MIGHT BE A LITTLE TOO HARSH ON NIANG — REALLY LIKE HIS ATTITUDE/ PERSONALITY—— THERE WERE MANY GAMES THAT HE WAS TOTALLY UNPLAYABLE—— HiS 3 PT SHOOTING WASNT CONSISTENT ENOUGH FOR MY LIKING—— “ AUSSIE MULLET “ ALSO SUB PAR 3 PT SHOOTER—- DOES ALOT OF OTHER THINGS WELL
Throwing back Topo Chicos on the Sound as a summer activity >>>>
Strus and Niang were really frustrating shooters to me but Niang has his moments. As a ninth or tenth man I think he’s the kind of player who can win some bench shifts in the regular season. A few 5 or 6 3PM outings might matter for seeding.
But I don’t think he gets much run when it matters. He’s just a fun bench guy albeit overpaid a few million but it’s whatever
AGREE “ AUSSIE MULLET “ > NIANG
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Niang has an elite NBA skill: he’s a great 3P shooter on really good volume and averaged about 9 points a game?
I don’t hate Travers but I don’t think he’s good enough at anything to crack the rotation this year. Maybe he’s a good enough jack of all trades and has a role in the future. But he’s not actually better than Niang right now. I’d be surprised if he’s better than Brobley
PLAYED WITH A “ MEDIOCRE “ SUMMER TEAM THIS YEAR——— SURROUNDED BY BETTER TALENT ALLOWS HIS SKILL SET TO SURFACE—BE UTILIIZED BETTER—— “ A LARGER CLONE OF DELLY “ 👍
yeah, he’s a low usage guy, should be competition for Niang at least.
As predicted, Luke Travers & his current ballclub have parted ways. Looks like he’s coming over.
Interesting! I thought the post summer league consensus was that he is not ready for the NBA, and might never be. Hope that was a bad take.
I think a two way makes sense for him.
Yeah agree. Seems like a guy with a decent shot at being a rotation guy in a few years
how does the D League compare with the NBL? Simmo?
Not a huge difference. G-Leaguers are out to get their NBA gig, hence the itinerant rosters. For the most part, NBL players have their contracts, know their place in the team structure, have played together a while etc. An import or decent player in the NBL will earn more than a G league player without an NBA contract. The average player would improve overall more in the NBL, but fringe guys in the G-League are often working on particular aspects of their game as directed by an NBA team – which makes the comparison between leagues difficult. NBL is considered… Read more »
good info.
WOULD HOPE TO THINK CAVS HAVE THEIR RADAR s UP FOR A SERVICIABLE BACK UP POST
Let’s go get Yabusele from France. Now.
WAS NEVER A BIG JONES FAN —BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NO BACK UP BIG—- FERNANDO WOULD HAVE FIT THE BILL—— NEED A LEGIT BACK UP —— NOT A “ SCRAP HEAP “ SPECIAL
Damian Jones signs with Zhejiang Golden Bulls
SAW FERNANDO SIGNED WITH RAPTORS—-DOES M FULTZ —“ MOVE THE NEEDLE “
HAYWARD RETIRING-/— WOULD WE EVEN WANT TO PURSUE ON MIN. CONTRACT
GARDS —- YOUNGEST TEAM—LOWEST PAYROLL—-BEST WINNING PCT ——- SON AND I WERE UP THURSDAY NIGHT— ENJOYABLE EXPERIENCE—-ALTHOUGH CLOSE PARKING COSTS MORE THAN ADMISSION PRICE——- DONT HEAR GARDS DEMANDING/ THREATENING FOR A NEW STADIUM
76ers ARE PURSUING ALSO—— MORE INTERESTED IN PT THAN THE MONEY
GOOD 👍—- HIS FRUSTRATION MAY HAVE BEEN MORE WITH JB THAN JA —— AN ENTIRE TRAINING CAMP WILL HELP ALSO 👍
right. the Cavs with JB are a lot less attractive than they are now.
i thought he came b/c of the JB relationship?
i guess a backup backup 4 is fine, if the locker room is OK with it.
Marcus Morris coming back?
https://kingjamesgospel.com/posts/rumors-veteran-free-agent-sharpshooter-likely-return-cleveland-cavaliers-news-marcus-morris
A little surprising considering his exit, but not that shocking I guess. He brings some elements the Cavs lack at bargain bin pricing, and has familiarity with the team.
more:
https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/cavaliers-reportedly-interested-in-intriguing-veteran-scorer-01j4a3y3mrc0
Maybe Fernando might be good now that Precious has resigned?
ANY OLYMPIC PLAYERS NOT SIGNED BY A NBA. TEAM WORTH TAKING A SHOT AT ?
(give Koby his fuckin flowers for this and Tyson)
I AM GOING TO PREDICT JEROME IS GOING TO BE HEALTHY AND HELPFUL— A “FORGOTTEN GEM “👍
that would be a big bonus. Cleveland sports are on a lucky streak lately, and I hope it keeps up!
I really like him. He might be our DDV
I AM BACK 👍👍👍——- NATE DIDN T “ RETIRE “ ME ——— THANKS NATE/ CLF FOR ALL YOUR WORK——- SPEAKING OF “ RETIRING ME “ TODAY MARKkS THE 46th YEAR “ THE “ MRS NOMAD HAS TOLERATED ME —( YES SHE IS A LIVING SAINT) 👍———- SHE HAS MENTIONED ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS OF “ RETIRING ME “ 🤪
I WILL DRINK 🍺 TO THAT 👍🍺😀
Jarrett Allen:
https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/sports/pro/cavs/2024/07/31/jarrett-allen-contract-extended-by-cavs-for-three-more-years/74624177007/
Holy shit. Great value.
Allen extension a truly terrific value, he’s making Hard Rock money but is twice the player. Would love to see he and Mobley avg over 3 assists this year
JUST CHECKING TO SEE IF I AM “ ACCEPTED “ ON CTB —— MAYBE NATE IS “ BANNING “ ME 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪- – DID ANYONE ELSE HAVE PROBLEM s
You’re the Czar of the Commentariat NOMAD as such you cannot be banned LMFAOOO
I was having problems too, should be good to go.
interesting too that the last “long wing” to win MVP was…KD maybe?
i like that our team is constructed to protect the rim and guard bigs
(maybe the next wing-ish guy to win MVP is Tatum or Ant? I don’t think Tatum is really gonna be in the conversation and Ant is guardable)
I know we hate Niang but he is really fun and good on the Road Tripping Podcast.
$8m still a lot to pay for character and locker room shit, but I really like Max and him as cultural fits.
plus he has quality “looking tuff” chops when things get chippy.
(this might be the best bench the Cavs have had in thirty years or more — Tyson, Vert, Ice, Merrill, Niang, CPJ)
I am buying Tyson, Vert and Ice being excellent bench players. But Merrill, Niang, and CPJ have some major shortcomings.
Yeah they are flawed but for 9-11 in the rotation it’s good!
Niang can shoot you into a game (or out of one smh)
Wade, Vert, Ice, Merrill, CPJ. Niang might be a buyout candidate. I wouldn’t say it’s the best Cavs bench in 30 years. They literally don’t have a third big.
Tyson, too.
The LeBron teams were super thin (even the 2.0 squads), the 2011-14 teams barely had three good starters, same for 1999-2002.
Maybe one of the early 90s squads were better.
I have high hopes for Tyson. I hope he is useful without the ball.
Playoff rotation will take a minute: but maybe! Lively was a good example of opportunity and for coming together.
At the very least you hope everyone is healthy and you can run some interesting lineups. Tyson, Ice and Jerome contributing more than expected would be great for the regular season.
I have high hopes for the Cavs this year (I am in the “Glass half full” CtB faction). In the past I had hopes that JB would figure out how to make the offense work — that didn’t pan out, and player development was minimal. There is a good chance KA will do a much better job with both. At the moment the Celts are looking a lot better than any other team in the NBA. The Cavs have a good chance of giving the Celts the best contest next year. Actually, they tied for best series against the Celts… Read more »
Tony Pesta at FTS:
https://www.fearthesword.com/2024/7/30/24209189/cup-of-cavs-dorian-finney-smith-doesnt-move-the-needle
This is true. We thirst for guys who suck a little
Disagree. He does move the needle. The Cavs literally have one guy on their team who can effectively guard long wings. But that contract and that age is hard to swallow.
that’s a missing skill, but it doesn’t seem to impact very much for us in terms of competing. might just be a “nice to have.” think the “needle moving” question is: is there a long wing on any contending team we can’t guard effectively as a team, and so need to pay for more help, or is the concern just theoretical? I’m kind of in the latter camp, although I think Cam Johnson would be fun. as raoul notes, we guarded / played the Celtics well without Allen, who gives you another great defender who can switch. we played the… Read more »
right. the contract and age make him basically worthless
sometimes one or two-tool guys who fit a theoretical need are often just bad and/or hurt.
Ty Jerome and Niang are smart archetypes to have but just kind of non-productive as basketball players (although I like what each brings as hopefully 9th and tenth men)
Nate the only one with any sense in this thread… DFS is a proven playoff performer at the right age and Okoro is a playoff choker that sucks… ironic the Okoro defenders are the only ones thirsting for a player who actually sucks a lot.
how about Delavadova for a proven playoff performer?
Terrible take. Okoro is 23 and rising. He’s already shooting the 3 ball better than DFS.
DFS is bigger and a better rebounder. There’s literally nothing else he’s doing more productively than Ice and that gap is only going to widen moving forward.
Only terrible take is yours. Try reading more carefully…. DFS is the proven PLAYOFF performer, Okoro is a PLAYOFF choker.
DFS career 3pt% in the playoffs 42%
Okoro career 3pt% in the playoffs 27%
LIterally nothing Okoro does more productively than DFS in the playoffs.
Lol. Small sample size alert. I’ll take the law of large numbers and the 23 year old’s continued improvement over the 31 year old’s past playoff receipts. DFS 35 playoff games, Okoro 12. Pretty statistically insignificant!
Last season – Okoro .391, .347 career
Last season – DFS .348, .355 career
Ice is a far superior defender too.
You talk as if DFS is Robert Horry with 7 rings and tons of clutch playoff moments.
No need to be so stung by someone strongly disagreeing with your take. We’re all Cavs fans here!
“No need to be so stung by someone strongly disagreeing with your take. We’re all Cavs fans here!”
Exactly, so no need to get your panties in a bunch when I match your energy for your terrible take.
“Small Sample size alert”
Playoff samples are the only ones that matter for this team…. Okoro fucking sucks when it matters and DFS doesn’t… simple as.
12 games. Massive overreaction. He’s far more likely to make important playoff contributions over the next 5 years compared to DFS. And he played some awesome defense to help us win the Orlando series
GARDS “ IN IT — TO WIN IT “ PICKED UP SOME NICE PLAYERS
KNICKS SIGN ACHIUWA 6 MILLION—— SHOULD CAVS HAVE PURSUED
THANKS FOR WAKING FROM THE “ SUMMER DOLDRUMS “ 👍——-GOOD JOB—— I AM GOING TO PREDICT THEY STAY PAT ON THE OFFER TO ICE :/ TRY A SIGN AND TRADE WITH “ NO NEEDLE MOVING “ ADDITION——MY MAN DaSILVA LOOK s LIKE I HAD PREDICTED—WILL HELP THE MAGIC—-TY SO FAR A NICE SURPRISE——— THINK OUR POSSIBLE “ HIDDEN GEM “ MIGHT BE JEROME COMING BACK HEALTHY AND READY TO PERFORM 👍👍👍👍—————GARDS ARE “ IN IT -TO WIN IT “ LIKE THE PLAYER s THEY PICKED UP
good stuff!