Live Thread: Pacers @ Cavs
2017-11-01
The Cavs take on the 4-3 Pacers at home tonight. The Pacers are coming off a comfortable 18 point win against the Kings less than 24 hours ago. Yup, the Cavs get to play fresh against a team playing the second night of a back-to-back. This game really is Cleveland’s chance to start righting their early season performance issues.
Indiana is a team the Cavs shouldn’t struggle against. The Pacers take just 24.7 3s a night which is 26th in the league. That’s good because the Cavs are allowing teams to shoot 40.7% from beyond the arc so far this season. They’re also letting opponents jack 34.1 long balls per game. Both of those numbers are bottom three in the league.
And, as of now, Indiana’s shot blocking and 3-draining big man, Myles Turner, is out for this game due to the concussion protocol. In his only game played this season, Turner hit one 3-pointer on his way to 21 points, 14 boards, and four blocks.
Victor Oladipo has come on though and will definitely be a challenge for the Cavs. He’s shown the ability to jet up the court off of quick outlet passes, and he is 13th in the league in scoring with 23.9 points a night. He’s also shooting 45.7% on deep balls this year. He will shred the Cavalier’s perimeter players in isolation and will run the pick and roll a decent amount forcing Kevin Love and Tristan Thompson to make some tough decisions.
Still, the Cavs can load up on him and have a great chance of making this game a statement win. Yes, I said statement win. The Cavs are at that point right now.
If Cleveland can get out of this game healthy, show a dedication to at least running on close outs in their haphazard defensive trapping scheme, and consistently work guys open off the ball, tonight will be worth watching. I’m picking the Cavs 113-103.
Terrible pass by live there. Let him run through then score.
I can’t decide if I want the Cavs to lose this & the next few & force the decision to push for trades/rebuild, or win this one, paper over “a few” cracks & limp into next year. I think NOMAD is close to convincing me.
A small part of me wants it to blow up in Gilbert’s face.
He’d deserve it for letting a good GM go just to show who’s boss. Griffin isn’t perfect, but no way he’d put this mess of a roster together…
Yeah that is the biggest “what if”. What would have happened with this roster if Griff had been resigned as he should have beeen
We wouldn’t be dying for lack of shooting, I’m pretty sure of that…
Really? James will be gone then and we will be done
Why not both? Win this game and make personnel adjustments.
I miss 2016 team. We’re kinda like unbeatable every night with that team.
Can someone tell Calderon my coffee level is low!
After Halloween parties, team meeting and playing Indy b2b at home, if we don’t win this one it may be time for the panic button
We are going to give up 120 to the b2b Pacers.
Cavs consistently give up 30+ point quarters, and are unable to score 120 in a game themselves…thanks Dan/ Corby…
This is not fun
What’s the definition of insanity? Playing scrubs like Green and Rose and expecting positive results.
Green and Rose have been decent this game.
Cavs just getting beat off the dribble.. against a team playing on a B2B.
I think Wade was kidnapped by aliens and his NBA talent was sucked out of him.
Jeff Green doesn’t like to play off the ball, does he
He is an iso god…
The Suns and Mavs are worse teams than the Cavs, I think…not sure if there are any others…
Cleveland Sports right now….
I’ll pack your bags and drive you to the airport – comment worthy for half this roster.
Jeff Green : iso-j… predictable brick.
I hate this team!
Jesus h. Rebound already. Cavs are getting run.
The Rose hate is crazy, brought in as a back up, i would take an 8/12 for 17 pts any day from a backup point guard. At least he is engaged and pushes the pace every play, unfortunately no one else wants to run with him. Blame Lue.
They’re four in five on D with him.
Come on Nate, that’s not true
He’s a polished turd!
Maybe save the Rose hate for a game he is on obstacle to the Cavs success.
Using Rose as a whipping boy for the issues with this team is unfair. The defensive problems go way further than Rose being a below average defender.
Yeah he will hopefully be a steady source of offense off the bench when IT is back
Also some nice cuts to finish off LeBron passes
Yeah I hated when they signed him when Kyrie was a starter. Don’t trust him at all. Those numbers are pretty empty.
explain how his points are “empty”, its not garbage time. Who else is scoring that he should pass to?
He doesn’t bring anything but some 2 point scoring…he literally brings nothing else…that’s empty…
Empty because we are losing?
This team is horrible to watch…
LeBron is a TO machine!
Showboating, not protecting the ball….oh dear.
Lol
Thad young: Nate Smith all-star.
Wow, every possession for 40 seconds the Cavs had a Pacers hand in their face. Look & learn, lads….
Here’s my Colsian comment, which I stand by: Rose has such an ugly game.
Yeah, I hate watching him…
Seriously wtf is Crowder doing
Wish the Cavs had guys who could hit a three, like every other team in the NBA…
Yeah Crowder’s defense is apparently overrated.
He dropped off a lot on that end last year…
Yeah, this one is going south…
The Cleveland Brick-aliers
Well I called it. Just shoot 3’s against this team.
Crowder didn’t even get a hand up on those last two defensive possessions. Sagged off Collison.
I guess he needs to make 10 3s in a row before they will respect it?
Count your blessings, people…if Shump was not sitting due to injury, you’d be seeing a metric buttload of Shump action tonight…
https://twitter.com/joevardon/status/925882816704811008
I am shocked, SHOCKED…
Derrick Rose is awful. He is who we thought he was.
Same with Green and Shump. And this is who gets a bulk of the rotation minutes. Wade and Calderon are just old.
And back to allowing teams to shoot wide open 3’s
Great help defense by LeBron leading to the Rose reverse
MIKE I HOPE SO ALSO —-BUT HAVE MY DOUBTS
SO YOU THINK WITH T.T. OUT YOU WOULD SEE FRYE OR ANTE CORRECT ?
Frye likely…Lue won’t play you unless you’re a veteran…
https://twitter.com/mcten/status/925881042657046543
I was betting calf strain…sit him until it’s 100%…
Rose is not half the finisher that Irving is.
Also, I love how Lue thinks playing LeBron MORE minutes is going to solve problems… The entire problem in the Finals last year was that LeBron would be gassed by the second half and we tanked when LeBron was on the bench.
I want to be positive with all or gloom in this thread, and say we will win this one by playing a strong second half cutting down turnovers
I truly hope so.
THAT IS CORRECT JRL—NO CEDI / FRYE / ANTE —THAT IS OUR ASTUTE COACHING —–TY IS REALLY STARTING TO PISS ME OFF ——YOU THINK FRYE MIGHT BE ABLE TO COME IN FOR 3-5 MINUTES AND NAIL A COUPLE OF TREYS — I DO ——–AND HOW IN THE HELL DO YOU EXPECT THESE YOUNG GUYS TO DEVELOP / GAIN CONFIDENCE WHEN YOU DON’T PLAY THEM OR SHOW ANY CONFIDENCE IN THEM —“FORK TY “
We just have to win this one as Indy is on a b2b. Oladipo with just 3 pts. If he starts scoring we will have a big headache in the second half.
All the Pacers have to do is shoot the 3pt. We can’t defend it.
From McMenamin on ESPN: “Tyronn Lue clarified his statement following the Cavs loss to the Knicks that Cleveland players are “intimidated” by playing with LeBron James: “I don’t know if ‘intimidated’ was the right word, but if you play with LeBron…I’ve had the chance to play with greats and you just find yourself deferring to those guys and not wanting to step on toes. I just told Jae Crowder and (Derrick) Rose and the new guys, just play your game. Like, be aggressive, be who you are. LeBron and Kevin (Love) and those guys are unselfish, so they’re going to… Read more »
I don’t understand why it is so hard for Lue to set defined roles for all these players… I thought he was supposed to be good in “ego management”
Lue, that’s why they are called ROLE PLAYERS.
CELTS HEADED FOR 6 IN A ROW—CAVS HEADED FOR 4 IN A ROW—–GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION—-“FLATLINER ” HAS TO BE SMILING INTERNALLY
What a horrible way to start the season.
WHY TRADE THE NETS PICK—FOR WHAT REASON—WE AREN’T CONTENDING THIS YEAR —SAVE IT –USE IT WISELY—-REBUILD —–SORRY KNOW THIS IS EARLY— BUT LIKE ARCH ( AND MANY OTHERS HAVE SAID ) THERE ARE TOO MANY HOLSE TO FILL —-SO WHY TRADE AWAY THE FUTURE KNOWING THAT YOU AREN;T GOING ANYWHERE THIS YEAR OR NEXT —-WE MIGHT AS WELL ACEPT THE TRUTH —OUR 3 YEAR RUN HAS ENDED —-HATE TO BE SO PESSIMISTIC BUT THE TRUTH HURTS SOMETIMES
Green had a very nice half.
Loved his D.
Hey they have the lead at the half. Baby steps?
Check that. Tied. You gotta crawl before you can take baby steps?
Ok only down one. Gotta be born before you can crawl?
THAT WAS A TERRIBLE / UGLY SEQENCE ON BOTH ENDS
Derek Rose is playing for his last contract…he is very very bad at passing
If he gets the ball, he’s almost certainly shooting it…same old Rose…
It would be nice if our 20yo 7 footer could get some minutes.
So no Frye, Cedi or Ante tonight?
Of course not. But I think Frye will get some run with TT out.
Another 30 point quarter, btw…wonder if the Cavs can set some sort of record…
TT may have pulled something.
Pulled calf I’m betting.
Smith is declining. Lue has no clue whatsoever how to take advantage of Love and Korver. Lue trusts Green and Shumpert too much. Wade and Rose are useless in this system, especially when you don’t have one. TT plainly sucks. LeBron is abusing his “benefit of the doubt” to not play with effort and lead by example. Tell me how this team is better than last?
We suck.
They are worse than last year, I thought that before the season…only way they can try to address that is by trading Nets pick…
Yeah the nail in the coffin for me was the Rose and Wade signing.
TT finally making some strides and then gets hurt.
It’s a Kardashian calf cramp
Just heard LeBron drop an F bomb.
It looks like TT has a cramp.
JR looking better tonight.
LOVE WILL NEVER BE THE DOMINANT LOW POST PLAYER AGAIN THAT HE WAS IN MINNESOTA—–THE GAME HAS EVOLVED TOO MUCH —( LENGTH / ATHLETIC POSTS ) GIVE HIM FITS —-BUT STILL I DON’T TRADE LOVE UNLESSS YOU GET FAR MORE IN RETURN
He was more capable in the post before he lost weight. Of corse I don’t think he was as mobile back then.
Looked like a kick ball.
Sabonis has good footwork.
That lead was fun while it lasted /s
SO HOPEFULLY ( HAVE SAID THIS SEVERAL TIMES ) WE ARE SMART ENOUGH NOT TO “LIE / FOOL OURSELVES ” THAT WE ARE A CONTENDER AND TRADE AWAY FUTURE ASSETS / DRAFT PICKS—–WE ARE NOW IN REBUILD MODE —
the cavalier girls all sexed up all the time seems so out of place in cleveland
WHY IN THE HELL IS JOSE ON THIS TEAM STILL—-MAKE ROOM FOR HOLLAND OR SOME OTHER YOUNG BLOOD —-OH YEAH THAT’S RIGHT CLUELEESS WOULDN’T PLAY THEM ANYWAYS ——AGREE THE MIX OF PLAYERS ISN’T THE BEST— BUT YOU COINCIDE THAT WITH A CLUELESSCOACH —–WELL YOU SEE THE REULTS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES
And to keep him, the Cavs traded RJ and two second rounder…Jose was one of Corby/ Gilbert’s big offseason moves, gotta keep him…
buckets come easy when you hustle in transition haha
LeBron with the turnovers. Gotta be freaking kidding me.