Cavaliers interview Brian Shaw: A candidate profile.
2010-06-28The Cavaliers find themselves in a very interesting position regarding their coaching vacancy these days. After Izzo decided to remain at Michigan State, Byron Scott and Brian Shaw surfaced as the top two candidates. However, both Scott and Shaw have been rumored as top candidates for head coach in Los Angeles should Phil Jackson decide to retire this off-season. Theoretically, should Phil Jackson decide to step down, with both Scott and Shaw at the forefront of each team’s coaching search, the Cavs won’t strike out since they are left with one of the two options.
Additionally, with Byron Scott apparently interested in the Cleveland job regardless of what Phil or LeBron do, one can only assume that Shaw will mark the end of the Cavaliers’ coaching search. After tomorrow, Shaw’s second interview in as many days, it’s likely that the Cavs will offer jobs to either Scott, Shaw, or both, as it is rumored that the team is interested in introducing a new coach by Thursday. Therefore, with Brian Shaw surfacing as a serious candidate for the vacancy, here is another coaching candidate profile courtesy of Cavs: The Blog.
The Goods.
No cute Italian themed trio this time. Instead, here is a simplistic look at what Brian Shaw would bring to the table.
First, Shaw has the potential to successfully play what I believe is the most important role of any NBA coach–ego manager. Two weeks ago I claimed that “Phil Jackson may be the best example of successful ego management in NBA history.” If Phil Jackson is unattainable, then Brian Shaw, who coached under Jackson for the past six years after playing for him for four seasons, would be a terrific second option in that regard.
A blogger known as DexterFishmore recently wrote a post highlighting how Shaw would fill in as the Lakers’ head coach. He claims that the potential new coach in L.A. should have the “ability to manage the complex assortment of personalities in the Laker locker room,” like Jackson does. In this area, he feels Shaw “knows which buttons to push and which to avoid.” While he is referring specifically to the personalities of the Lakers, I believe Shaw has a Jackson-like knack for dealing with a player’s ego, a knack he most likely developed by being around Jackson for a decade.
LeBron has never been described as “uncoachable,” but there is no denying the ego he brings to the table. Additionally, in the past there were parts of crucial games where you could tell that LeBron wasn’t buying whatever Mike Brown was selling and seemingly drowned him out altogether. There’s no way to tell for sure short of hiring him, but I would bet that this wouldn’t happen with Shaw.
In fact, there have been reports that suggest LeBron is interested in playing for a coach that used to play in the league, with the belief that he would respect someone more if they have been in his shoes. This train of thought also helps to explain the void that sometimes arose between him and Brown in games. Additionally, a rumor back in May went as far as to suggest that Shaw was being pitched around the league because LeBron was “intrigued by the triangle offense.”
Bringing in Brian Shaw as head coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers is a big move in and of itself due to the fact he’ll command respect. Back in 2007 Shaquille O’Neal, who may or may not be back with the team next season, said he respected Shaw more than any other teammate in his career (sorry for the wikipedia link, but the original Miami Herald link is no longer active). More recently, Shaq has shown his support for Shaw as a coaching candidate in Cleveland with some of his tweets.
Ultimately, regardless of whether or not Shaq is in town next season, there is little doubt that Brian Shaw would command respect should he be the head coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers. That and his training in ego management under Phil Jackson makes him an attractive coaching candidate.
The Unknown.
As I mentioned earlier, LeBron believes that the triangle offense is one of the things that Brian Shaw can bring to the table. After studying the offense for the past six years under Jackson and experiencing it as a player in four seasons before that, Shaw reportedly has a great understanding of the offensive system.
However, there is no guarantee that the triangle offense would work in Cleveland. Furthermore, many experts believe that the triangle offense would take at least two seasons before it was fully implemented with a new team. Unfortunately, for the Cavaliers and LeBron James, this could be too long of a wait to experience offensive success.
Additionally, while Shaw has the reputation of a respected ego manager, he’s not the most savvy offensive coach. Dexter from Silver Screen and Roll explains that “he isn’t known as an X’s and O’s magician like John Kuester or Tom Thibodeau,” although that doesn’t make him any less appealing in Dexter’s mind.
On the other end of the ball, there are questions about how Shaw would restore the once powerful Cavaliers’ defense. I mentioned before that after allowing only 88.9 points per game in Mike Brown’s first three postseasons (2006-08), the team outgrew its elite defensive reputation, allowing 93.4 points per game in the last two playoffs. Could Brian Shaw come in and implement a strong defensive system built on player accountability?
In the six seasons that Shaw studied under Phil Jackson, the Lakers’ defense never ranked better than 9th in opponent points per game, which was just this past season. Granted, this cannot be attributed solely to Shaw, as he was only an assistant, but the fact that Los Angeles ranked behind Cleveland’s defense all six years doesn’t provide much hope that he could restore what was once a defense to be reckoned with.
In the end, however, Brian Shaw’s reputation and respected stature may be exactly what this Cavaliers team needs to whip them back into superior defensive shape.
The Potential Downfalls.
A big concern with Brian Shaw is the fact that he has never been a head coach on any level. It’s very easy for a coach to have a strong reputation for commanding respect and preaching accountability as an assistant, but that could mean next to nothing when he’s the main guy in charge. After all, Mike Brown was a highly touted assistant coach and, while he enjoyed success with the Cavaliers, he was never able to push his team to the next level or completely control the situation, often deferring to assistants in crucial breaks of the game. While rookie head coaches often go to much worse situations than the Cleveland Cavaliers (assuming LeBron James is re-signed), having to wait while a guy like Shaw learns the ropes as a head coach does present a substantial risk.
Also, not to beat a dead horse, but the implementation of the triangle offense may not be what’s best for the Cavaliers, even if it is what intrigues LeBron James. Aside from taking significant time to learn the system and terminology of the offense, it’s not known as a superior system that works everywhere. Blogger Michael Young explains that “the triangle should not be a factor regarding whether Brian Shaw should get the job. It’s not like it is the best offensive system in league and there is reason why only Phil Jackson’s teams have been successful with it.”
Additionally, Dexter adds that “the Lakers have won back-to-back titles running the Triangle offense and the strong-side trap on defense, so you want someone who knows that playbook and will continue to run it,” when considering Shaw as a Phil Jackson replacement. This makes perfect sense for the Lakers, but having the Cavaliers switch to the triangle offense could be just as confusing of a concept as weaning Los Angeles off of it. Ultimately, there is no doubt that Cleveland’s offense needs to change from the stagnant LeBron James-based isolation that it has reverted to over the years, but I’m not so sure that Shaw’s version of the triangle offense is the direction they should take.
In the end, Brian Shaw seems like a very solid candidate for the Cavaliers’ head coaching job. Additionally, the fact that the team has set what appears to be a Thursday deadline for the coaching position and has pitted Shaw against Scott, Cleveland looks to be in a position to force a decision out of him by the end of June. It’s looking more and more like whoever doesn’t wait for the Los Angeles job gets the Cavaliers’ position thrown at them.
Whether it’s Scott or Shaw, both look like good candidates. Well, at least good enough to be seriously considered as the next head coach of the back-to-back NBA champions.
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This is reached an insane level. It’s every man for himself out there in reporter land. I wouldn’t be surprised if it pops up tommorow that, in fact, LeBron is quitting basketball and going to become a space astronaut.
All bets are off Rich… this is getting crazy. For now it’s looking like Scott is the guy, perhaps even as early as tonight, but who knows given this recent bait and switch game.
Is anyone else keeping up with this. My god, it’s as if the FA mood has caused reporters to lose all sense of credibility in all areas. back and forth on tweets between who is going to be coach..shaw and scott. One hour its shaw, the next it’s Scott. Good lord it’s a crazy mother time in the NBA.
Shaw knows how to deal with/or at least has witnessed how to deal with a super-star. Because of personalities I’m not sure if the things that worked with Kobe will work with LeBron, but you never know. What I find interesting is that even with Phil Jackson as coach and all the talent on the Lakers, the Lakers often had the problem of just giving the ball to Kobe and watching him do his thing. Yes they had the triangle offense, but in terms of offensive strategy when things looked bleak – they did what Mike Brown did, they give… Read more »
This looks like the guy the Cavs will get…again to include both sides of the argument will Shaw be any different than Mike Brown…top notch assistant on championship team..even dynasty…i think he would be solid…not too concerned whether the triangle is included or not….need a coach who can stand up to players and motivate in the toughest of times…can handle big egos and not let the team quit… really the Cavs have to be a team that doesnt constantly revolve around Lebron…the standing around has to stop and different guys have to step up and do the little things….dont see… Read more »
I was hoping the Cavs would have went after Avery Johnson, but since he’s already taken I was hoping for Jeff Van Gundy. JVG is respected by most, but I guess that Shaq and others really support Shaw and if Shaw implements the triangle then Shaq will have an improtant role on the team. At this point I just hope that if Shaw gets the job, he doesn’t decide to turn it down once he finds out Phil is leaving.
My only problem with Brian Shaw is that he never struck me as the most cerebral of players when he played. He just seemed like a good shooter. If course, I thought the same of Byron Scott too. I don’t know who else is out there besides Shaw. I don’t like Scott. Never have. His teams always seem to turn on him. I actually think Lawrence Frank would be better than Scott (the guy who replaced Scott in NJ). When the Hornets quit in the playoffs 2 years ago, I knew Scott was done there. After them though, who is… Read more »
Cleamons inherited a 26 win team.
What evidence is there that Brian Shaw is going to be any different than a pink potato?
What a useless comparison.
What evidence is there that Brian Shaw is going to be any different than the guy sitting to his right? He clearly didn’t last too long or have too much success: http://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/cleamji01c.html?
I think if LeBron tells the front office he has no intentions of re-signing, they have to let him walk. First, as it has been mentioned, it makes no sense to take on more salary. A full rebuild would definitely be in order. Secondly, trading him gives him an excuse, albeit a tiny one, to not be the most villainized sports figure in Cleveland history. If only casual fans or whomever hear “Cleveland trades LeBron James to…” then they assume the parting was mutual. I just watched the 30 for 30 documentary King’s Ransom, highlighting the Wayne Gretzky trade where… Read more »
You only pull of a sign and trade (imo) if the other team has a really solid young talent who is going at a cheap rate. The Bulls don’t have that (they aren’t giving up Rose obviously) and neither do the Heat. Because of that, let him walk and take the cap space. Why bring back a useless Michael Beasley so he can simply take up precious cap space? Certainly no one wants Luol Deng at this point for his insane price.
From the cavs perspective you dont want to do a sign and trade because you could probably not get the type of contracts you needed to blow the team up and start over. You would have to trade Jamison, probably Mo, Boobie, Varejao and cut West. So the best way to go about it would be to let him go and try to build some draft picks and prospects.
I like Brian Shaw, it seems like a pretty good fit. Byron Scott scares me a little too much but I guess we will just have to see what happens.
There is nothing to get from Miami/Chicago though. That’s the problem with doing a SnT with them. If these are the two teams LeBron wants to go to, they literally give the Cavs nothing in return, because they have nothing of value.
IF the Cavs could pull off some kind of SnT and get Bosh, that would be the story of the year. Andy, Delonte & JJ would all be plausible assets we could give up – Andy has talent but his contract is still on the rich side. Delonte and JJ are ‘cheap’ with a lot of upside potential but I’m not sure how much Delonte’s ‘condition’ and legal problems effect his value. IF Shaw became the coach with Bosh (it’s a dream) then I could see Shaq remaining in Cleveland – allowing Bosh to play the 4 and being an… Read more »
Although Windhorst claims it’s not that close yet…
“Not saying it won’t happen but as of now, two sources now telling me Brian Shaw has not been hired by Cavs and right now is ‘not close.'”
http://twitter.com/PDcavsinsider/status/17343479915
Joel, as Jim said, Delonte+JJ are the two biggest assets in any Bosh trade. Jamison is not involved unless it means taking back one of Toronto’s longer, worse contracts (e.g. Turkoglu). However, to assume there are no assets left whatsoever is shortchanging the roster. Toronto has always been interested in Varejao and he would reportedly be one of the centerpieces in any Bosh sign and trade to Cleveland scenario. Also, there are some smaller pieces that would make good throw ins. For example, supposedly the Raptors heavily scouted Christian Eyenga and were ready to trade into the early second round… Read more »
Laker fan here. A few points of interest from someone who follows the Lakers: – Phil Jackson is either returning to L.A. or retiring. – Mark’s post very nicely sums up the pros and cons of Shaw. Managing egos – a selling point for B-Shaw – is the biggest factor here and I would even go so far as to say it was the biggest factor in every NBA champion of the last 20 years except for probably the 2004 Pistons. The key of course is egos in the plural sense – realistically you only have one player who matters… Read more »
@Joel: makes no sense for Toronto to take a player like Jamison back for Bosh. If/when they lose Bosh they lose any chance of contending. So that means they need to blow it up and will be seeking either (1) cap relief, or (2) young, cheap talent. Neither of which the Cavs really have to offer. Unfortunately, the Cavs have two worthwhile assets: West’s 4.5 million expiring contract (if waived by August 1), and JJ Hickson. Everyone else on the team is either overpaid, old, or not very good. Even if the Cavs were able to present a package to… Read more »
Mark please mention some possible sign and trades. I would have to think if Toronto knows Bosh is leaving why would they not be interested in taking say Jamison and D. West for him?
Problem with Phil Jackson jumping in as President Of Basketball Operations is his familial ties with the Lakers at this point. His long-term girlfriend is Jeanie Buss and that makes luring Phil Jackson to any team let alone the Cleveland Cavaliers extremely difficult. But boy would that be a coup…
Ahh to dream…
Exactly. I mean that seems to be the route that great coaches ultimately take. Larry Brown has talked about wanting to do that..Pat Riley is doing that…I can’t imagine Phil leaving the game completely right now. I think he is done coaching, but man, to totally leave it? I would just throw it out there if I were Gilbert.
Rich, I think every Cavs fan would drool over that possibility. It’s certainly not out of the realm of possibility, especially given Gilbert’s deep pockets, but I’m not sure how feasible it is. Although if it did ever happen one big benefit would be having Jackson upstairs to step down in case of a meltdown (e.g. Pat Riley in Miami).
On a side note, can we get Phil Jackson to be the President of Basketball operations or something?
Seriously, that should be sort of getting discussed. He retires from coaching because of health, so he takes a higher level job with the Cavs in which he doesn’t have to exert nearly the physical energy. If Holmgreen can do it for the Browns, Phil can do it for the cavs.
Great assessment. I can’t wait for at least this chapter of the summer to end.
For some reason, I have a really good feeling about Brian Shaw… so I hope we manage to get him.