Recap: Detroit 103, Cleveland 80 (or The Best Player in the World?)
2014-12-29Cleveland laid an egg tonight. After being up 32-17 in the second quarter, they were outscored by 38 and lost to the Pistons going away. The Pistons had 17 three pointers, the same number of free throws they attempted. (Second time for a Cavs opponent this year!) I did a running diary tonight, and by the third quarter, I was really regretting that choice.
First Quarter:
11:27 Kevin Love drains a left baseline jumper and follows that up by taking a charge on the defensive end. He still didn’t have his hands up, but it’s better than I have seen in a while.
9:00 Tristan Thompson grabs two straight offensive rebounds, which leads to a LeBron iso jumper over Singler from the right wing. Tristan follows it up with a 12-footer a minute later. I see you working, TT.
6:10 LeBron, running down the left wing, delivers a beautiful dime with a flick of the wrist from the hip to a cutting Kevin Love in transition. Kevin thumps it. This is starting out well!
4:56 Love and Delly try to block out Greg Monroe on the left block. Monroe easily uses his legs to move KLove under the basket and then tips it in with one hand. It’s official. Kevin Love has lost too much weight. That never would have happened two years ago.
4:30 LeBron delivers a terrible pass behind Mike Miller who’s curling off of a downscreen on the right wing. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope steals and LeBron halfheartedly chases after him and gives up a dunk, looking like he’s running though mud. Uh, maybe take a foul there, King? LBJ follows it up with an “I’m LeBron Freaking James” pull-up three which splashes.
3:20 Tristan Thompson with an Andy-esque dive to the basket. LeBron finds him through three Pistons for a layup. That pass was filthy.
2:47 A Delly floater bangs hard off the backboard and hits absolutely no rim. I love Delly. I really do, but his lack of ability to find any offense for himself is becoming a problem. The dude hit his first free throw of the season last game. As much as I love him, I was wrong. He’s not a starter, at least not with this lack of offensive aggressiveness or confidence. Dude needs to play some 33 down at the Y and find some one-on-one swagger. Right now, he scares no one.
2:35 Kyle Singler outrebounds four Cavs for an offensive board — including LeBron, who literally just stares at the rebound without moving his feet at all. Delly hatchets Singler to prevent the layup. If I hear LeBron complaining about effort at the end of this… LeBron posts up on the ensuing possession and finds Marion for an easy deuce. Fred McCleod’s right. LeBron could get assists in a phone booth.
1:15 Dion attacks in transition… another nifty layup: right hand on the left side. Gotta love a guy who can’t shoot left but goes left anyway.
0:05 Neon Dion! Goes the length of the floor and converts a layup from the same side with the same hand as the buzzer sounds! 28-17, Cavs.
Second Quarter:
11:15 Dion hits a diving Kevin Love who lays it in for his second straight bucket. Kevin’s activity level has been pretty good so far. Stan Van takes a rage timeout.
10:40 A Brendan Haywood sighting! It turns into a Brendan Haywood turnover as he fumbles a pass until he steps out of bounds.
10:00 A terrible Dion one-on-three leads to a four-on-one break and an Andre Drummond finger roll in transition.
9:40 Kevin Love makes an even worse turnover than Dion just did, passing the ball directly to Andre Drummond. Dion saves his bacon with some great transition D, and Kevin Bricks a wide freaking open left corner three. Jodie Meeks drains an “I’m a shooter” straight on three. Uh oh. I sense a run coming.
9:11 I do not like the Miller, Dion, Price, Haywood, Marion lineup. Neither does Blatt as he substitutes one minute later. Still, why put a lineup in if you’re going to play it for such a short amount of time?
7:43 Dion with a tricknasty up-and-under followed by horrific defense on Jodie Meeks who burns Saint Weirdo for an and-1. Cavs throw it away on the next possession. That pass was four feet wide of being four feet wide.
6:30 Uh oh. Marion just twisted his ankle while blowing a layup. TT cleaned up the play, but Shawn doesn’t look good. He just limped back to the locker room. Ugh.
5:30 Jonas Jerebko just knocked down a left wing triple with no one within 12 feet of him. Dude has eight points in the quarter. Might want to guard him.
5:00 Cavs miss three open triple tries on one possession. The lid on the rim is punctuated by Kevin Love going up weak and being stuffed by Drummond who didn’t need to leave his feet to snuff out a wenus shot from the hip. After another LeBron miss, the Cavs are 3-13 from deep.
3:40 Don’t look now but the Pistons are only down three. After a switch which left Thompson on Jennings up top, Jennings jacked up a three (which is what Jennings does) that swished. Blatt’s turn for a rage timeout. Out of the timeout, we’re treated to an uninspired play which ends in a LeBron 20-foot brick.
1:50 Brandon Jennings Nashes around the baseline then puts the Pistons up one after Drummond and Monroe had been beating up the Cavs around both baskets for the last two minutes. LeBron’s sloppy handle gives Jennings the chance to can an opportunity triple 20 seconds later. A 24 second violation is up next for the Cavs, caused by… LeBron’s sloppy handle.
0:03 A Kevin Love three and a Greg Monroe technical stop the bleeding. Oy. LeBron just limped to the locker room with some malady. It’s 50-47, Pistons. That was hideous.
Third Quarter:
11:44 A nifty LeBron no-look bounce pass to… Brandon Jennings… KCP Layup… WTF LeBron, see the pass before you throw the pass. LeBron follows it up with an iso-brick. Brandon Jennings heat checks his way into two more points for a seven point lead. As Dr. Seuss would say, The Pistons are hot, and the Cavs are not.
10:50 LeBron/Tristan turnover under the bucket with most of the Pistons collapsed inside… Brandon “I once scored 55 in a game, and now I don’t have to play with Josh Smith anymore” Jennings line drives another three. “They need a timeout” says master of the obvious, Austin Carr.
9:25 Kevin Love is now 1-7 from three. Just a thought, but maybe get him the ball near the bucket. Sounds crazy, I know. Oh, I just remembered the Pistons have Andre Drummond. Never mind. Oh, now Kevin’s 1-8.
8:34 Delly with a mind-numbingly bad pass. CKP triple. That’s the 100th pull up triple of the game. The Pistons are up 11.
7:53 This just in, Mike Miller is the worst defensive player in the NBA, and everyone knows it. Kyle Singler isn”t scared a whit as he drains a trey with Miller closing from four feet away. LeBron lazily closes out on Caldwell-Pope on the next play to give the Pistons another triple.
6:40 LeBron is salty. Drummond just outrebounded three Cavs (including ‘Bron) and dunked it in their grills. Oh no… David Blatt just made a Mike Brown “I have no idea what I’m going to do during this timeout” face. Detroit’s on a 38-12 run. “Hold me. I’m scared,” I text Tom.
5:15 LBJ just bricked another isolation J. He’s 4-16 so far. The Cavs are missing Kyrie Irving, and Dion can’t get off the bench this quarter, because, it’s not like the Cavs need offense or anything… As if on cue, Mike Miller clanks another three. New plan. We’re only playing Mike Miller once a week. It’s hard to recover when you’re 134 years old.
4:00 Cavs are burned again on the high pick-and-roll: their defensive bugaboo for 2014. Delly got stuck on a massive Andre Drummond screen and Cleveland conceded the long two. But it’s Jennings’ night. He just extended the deficit to 17.
1:37 Jennings just nailed a Dion Waiters style step-back-long-two in Dion’s face. That’s just mean.
0:57 Dion tries to answer with his own step-back rainbow from the right elbow, and fails. He gets stuffed at the rim by Drummond next time down.
0:01 A.J. Price draws a charity loose-ball foul and cuts it to 77-61, Pistons. Worst quarter of the season? It’s in the discussion.
Fourth Quarter
11:42 Jodie Meeks: contested three-point swish. If the Cavs come back, I’m giving away my Christmas presents.
11:08 Kevin Love with a nice “hands up” knockaway on Greg Monroe. Monroe is 2-12 this game. Well, at least the Cavs are doing something right. Hey, he just missed again… 2-13. Kevin with a great job of… being in the way… there.
11:58 A.J. Price: pull-up clanker. He’s the anti-Jennings right now.
10:23 Price to Marion for a soft-slam. Hey! Matrix is back. Good to see.
9:18 I sing, “We’re building a brick house!” Robert Goulet style as Marion clangs a three. Cavs are shooting 23% in the half. They’re down 23. LeBron is getting ready to come back in, and I say, “why?”
9:08 A.J. Price leaves his man to collapse to the paint for no discernible reason and Caron Butler buries another wide open triple (the 15th). LeBron does in fact check in after the commercial. He loses the ball off his leg. 24 second violation. Jennings hounds him on the next possession and he coughs it up again. The crowd boos, deservedly so.
7:37 Down 25, LeBron complains harder for a continuation call than he fought for some rebounds this game. Did I mention Cleveland’s down 25. Let it go and play. You’re not winning this game, Mr. James. He and two other guys in white jerseys stare at a Jodie Meeks triple try off a curl. Swish.
7:00 LeBron gets mad, goes one on two, gets swatted by Jonas Jerebko, and gets the ball stolen. Ugh. Do I have to watch this anymore?
5:50 LBJ hits a catch-and-shoot triple. It’s clear he’s trying to get himself in a rhythm before he checks out. I get it, but it’s painful. Cavs down 24.
5:35 Back from commercial. LeBron’s on the bench. Thank God. Let’s just move on.
0:50 There’s no Cav in the same area code as Kyle Singler as he makes the last triple of the night for Detroit. 17 threes…
0:00 Brendan Haywood had a decent few minutes in garbage time. He earned himself some run. Of course the problem with him is the same problem as with Mike Miller. You can probably only play him once a week at his age. See you next Sunday, Brendan.
Thoughts:
Cavs were 5-29 from three and the Pistons were 17-31. That’s basically your ballgame. Combine that with 10 turnovers for Detroit and 17 for the Cavs, and we don’t need to talk about much else. Execpt… The Cavs had 15 fouls. That’s not even four fouls a quarter. That’s an unacceptably soft level of physicality, and a completely obvious answer for why the Pistons felt so comfortable on offense. It’s time to sign Kenyon Martin. Cavs need a thug or two to put people on their butts. When Matthew Dellavedova is leading your team in fouls, it’s obvious they have a physicality problem.
Think the Pistons are happy to be free of Josh Smith? They’re sure playing like it. Count me among those who think Daryl Morey’s outsmarting himself right now. Brandon Jennings certainly seemed happy with his 25 points, five boards, and six dimes in Josh’s absence.
Remember when there was a time that people thought David Griffin might get voted Executive of the Year? That seems laughable now. The Cavs roster is an absolute mess. Lou Amundson, Joe Harris, Alex Kirk, and James Jones are not NBA rotation caliber players. A.J. Price, Mike Miller, and Brendan Haywood are bad replacement player quality. And Miller sarts! With Andy out and Kyrie out for now, Blatt has seven guys to choose from. That’s not a lot of options. He can’t make the ball go in the bucket. Griffin needs to shake up this roster and he needs to do it quickly. It’s the NBA. You can never have too many bullets in the gun. Right now the Cavs are half loaded with blanks. And if LeBron is the one who put together this roster, then it’s his fault too.
I was tempted to put Delly in that list of bad NBA replacement players. But he’s not. He’s just a guy who doesn’t score, but he effects the game in other ways. There’s a reason the team was -4 with Delly on the floor, and -19 without him on the floor. Cleveland’s defense fell off a cliff without Delly. Yes, he can’t score, but Mike Miller can’t guard anyone. When his shot’s not falling, Miller’s useless. Like I said, he’s too old to play starter’s minutes at this point.
I have a hard time blaming David Blatt. The Cavs only have seven rotation players right now. One can’t score, one can’t play defense, and one is 37 years old.
Dion had an awful defensive game too. The Cavs didn’t pick up shooters in transition, and Dion was as guilty as anyone. He was a mind numbing -24. He had some sparkling drives but only finished with six on 3-8 shooting. Saint Weirdo indeed.
Kevin Love was -25 for the game, and it didn’t feel like he had an awful game. He scored 20 and added 10 rebounds. He competed, scored, and did a decent job on Greg Monroe. Yes, Monroe beat him up on the O-Boards, but Kevin forced him to make tough shots. Still, Kevin couldn’t buy a shot from outside. Cavs need to figure out how to get him touches in other spots. For goodness sake, could they get the ball to him in the high post?! Sadly Cleveland doesn’t have this in their offense. Dion, LeBron, and Kyrie are all solid cutting from the wings with the ball in the high post, and Kevin is solid on dribble drives from there. The search for how to best use Love on offense continues.
Tristan had a nice night: seven offensive rebounds, 7-8 from the floor, 4-4 from the line, 18 points, and 11 rebounds. That’s something right?
LeBron had some more ridiculous post game comments tonight. “We’re not a very good team.” He continued, “we’re just not very good in every aspect of the game that we need to be to compete every night.” I want him to stop talking in “we” and start talking in “I,” because LeBron was not very good tonight, and he’s hurting his teammates. LeBron did admit that his turnovers were a problem, and David Blatt talked about his team’s “carelessness with the ball.” But most of that was on James. LeBron’s play at the end of the first half was unconscionably bad: isolation bricks and turnovers. He did set up two players for threes, but the Cavs only got two good looks out of six possessions. You just can’t win like that. Furthermore, he’s skipping doing little things when he’s frustrated, like trying to rebound. When your best player feels like he can take plays off, everyone feels like they’ve got license to do that too. LeBron’s line 5-19, 10 rebounds, seven assists, and seven turnovers. I realize the hutzpah of a 5’10” out-of-shape almost 40-year-old criticizing a guy who can fall out of bed and almost get a triple double, but I know guy who’s hurting his team when I see it.
Cavs are much better when they come out of the gate not trying than when then they stop trying mid game.
Rumor has it that the Hawks are considering firing head coach, gm and trading Teague after their horrible loss to the Bucks.
Don’t act like this loss to the Pistons was unexpected or came out of nowhere. There are deep seated issues with this team and if Blatt can’t even get them to play hard there will be some storm clouds overhead very soon.
The Hawks are exceeding expectations, the Cavs are failing to meet them.
I don’t think so. I think the Cavs will be fine.
Do you really see championship aspirations with this squad, because I don’t. At least not without adding some pieces. And if they don’t at least make it to the finals it may start get pretty murky around here.
I do. I see Leb’s history of having his teams play great basketball in the playoffs. I think they will win the East.
For the love of all things holy, will you stop calling Lebron, leb?!?!
Depends on the expectations and at what point in the season. I am a believer that we continue to improve and we will be a lot better by playoffs. I am happy if we make it and get past first round, media wont be and I believe a lot fans wont be either but this team is so new almost unheard of. New coaching staff, new GM, countless new players that have not played together. Sure some of this happens but all of it I am not aware of one. So I continue to keep my expectations in check despite… Read more »
LeBron James is intent on making the “appropriate business decision” as he approaches his next chance at free agency, even if that means leaving the Cavs, as Chris Haynes of the Northeast Ohio Media Group hears. There would no doubt be harsh public criticism were he to leave Cleveland a second time, but he’s willing to act if his hand is forced—– Here comes the LeBron is leaving again rumors. I would like to think that this couldn’t be possible, but this is Cleveland lol.
Nah. He isn’t leaving. If we have to fire Blatt and hire whoever he wants we will do it. It would be so dumb of the Cavs to back Blatt over Lebron.
They will do everything they can to keep him and I don’t think he’ll leave.
Or what if we fire Blatt then LeBron leaves anyways? Sound familiar? LeBron isn’t going to tell the front office what to do, but he will leave if he’s not happy IMO. I think it’s unlikely at this point in the season, but I wouldn’t rule it out.
Yes, so do dumb to not entitle and coddle LeBron at every opportunity. It worked so well the first time.
The first Lebron run was the greatest run of Cavs basketball ever. So yeah, it did work. Keeping a coach your star player doesn’t liike would be stupid.
I don’t think it’s true that Lebron and Blatt don’t get along though.
Except for the three times LeBron quit in the playoffs and when he left and screwed the team over. Except for that.
Um what?
He got them to the Finals. And every year they went deep into the playoffs. Maybe you’d like to go back to 20-30 win seasons where we get to spend the year figuring out who we want to draft. But I’d rather they do whatever it takes to keep LeBron in Cleveland so the Cavs can be relevant.
Quit in the finals in ’07, quit against the Celtics in ’10. But I did have one too many quits in my memory. I’d prefer a championship over relevance. If you coddle LeBron he’s not winning a championship. If he buys in and decides to play hard even though he might not always agree with the guys in charge, the odds are much higher that the Cavs win a championship. I take the risk he bolts to avoid coddling him.
Once again. If the Cavs FO thinks that Lebron and Blatt can’t get along they will fire Blatt without thinking twice about it. And it would be the correct move. You do not alienate the best player to have ever played for your team for a rookie head coach that is easily replaceable.
I don’t think it’s true though.
Replace “you” with “I,” in your statement and you’d be more correct. I certainly would alienate my best player if he’s behaving like a baby. Do the right thing regardless of the stature of the guy who’s throwing a fit. That’s my motto. But like you, I don’t think LeBron is calling for Blatt’s head.
if the Cavs fire their head coach they may as well change there colors to orange and brown. This FO needs some stability not continued dysfunction.
If you would alienate your best player then I’m really glad that you are not in charge of the Cavs. Or the Indians. Or the Steelers.
It is extremely unproductive to make your best player feel like crap in order to prove a point. Especially in the NBA where players can leave via free agency and that player is one of the best of All-Time and still in his prime.
If I was in charge of the Steelers, I’d disband the team.
Maybe Cols wants to lead another one of these https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KVtqZgfFKgQ
Yeah, I’m done sucking up to LeBron. If he doesn’t want to be here, then leave. It really would be a slap in the face to leave again, especially over pettiness and an inability to accept blame for the fact that he’s not playing as well as he has in the past. He’d basically be saying: it’s everyone else’s fault. I’m leaving.
Nate. I’d much rather LeBron stay than leave. If they have to coddle him and hire the guys he wants to hire then so be it. If we lose Lebron, we are back to 30 win territory. That would suck. I cannot believe you want that again.
A coddled LeBron is a lazy, capricious LeBron. A lazy LeBron loses in the playoffs. Would rather go back to rebuilding than lose in the playoffs every year with no shot at a championship. If your star player’s not “buying in” to something bigger than himself, then you’re never going to be great. Riley got LeBron to play better by not coddling him and making him realize that he didn’t know everything and shouldn’t run everything. Cleveland may not have that guy in their organization, and they may need to find that guy, but that guy isn’t LeBron. If you’re… Read more »
You’d rather lose Lebron and go back to rebuilding? Did you forget the last 4 years? Or the years before Lebron came to Cleveland?
Nope nope Nope nope Nope nope Nope nope Nope nope Nope nope Nope nope Nope nope Nope nope Nope nope
Than compromise a winning culture? Absolutely. In the NBA you’re either a contender, or you need to be in the bottom. Everywhere else is no man’s land.
I’d rather have a 30 win team full of guys who scrap every night and I love rooting for, than a 50 win team full of entitled jerks who are going to self destruct in the playoffs (See the Josh Smith Hawks). That’s me. You add draft picks and free agents to that kind of winning culture and you can build something. Look at what Houston’s done.
Nate.
Look at Houston? Houston traded for Harden and signed Howard, How is that any different than trading for Love and signing LeBron.
It’s not. I’d much much much rather root for a good team than a bad team. I think you just hate having a winning team. You liked rooting for a team of nobodies who sucked. THat’s weird.
At any point have they tried to coddle Harden or Howard? Before they got Harden, Houston had a culture of guys who scrapped for the playoffs every year and just missed. They also collected draft picks and got productive players out of every level of the draft and free agency. That is a culture of always doing whatever it takes to win, not a culture of appeasing their best players with dopey coach firings.
And I’ll always root for a team of loveable nobodies over a team of winning a-holes. I miss the Herculoids. I am gloriously weird.
You are really weird. I’ll root for whoever the Cavs put out there. I’d rather that team be good than not good. You are making no sense.
I won’t root for whoever they put out there. If I’d have been a Portland fan, and they put out the Jailblazers, I’d have bailed in a heartbeat. I love the Cavs, but LeBron’s petulance and inability to accept responsibility is maddening. If he’s really behind all the BS, then I’d rather call his bluff and dare him to walk than dump a coach who’s really only coached a couple bad games for some LeFlunky. Lord. It’s easier to root against LeBron, sometimes.
That’s crazy. Rooting for the team is what fans do. I will never bail on the Cavs.
Sorry, I have my limits. That Blazers team was among the most despicable teams in the history of pro sports: a rapist, a pit bull fighter, thieves, thugs, malcontents, and dope fiends. No thanks. http://elitedaily.com/sports/where-the-hell-are-the-portland-jail-blazers/
I’d root for satan himself if he put on a Cavs jersey.
I’d root for Satan if he could play above the rim and not pout after missing out on a star call, and not slack off on the defensive end.
Or they could draft players that LeBron likes (cough… cough… Shabazz Napier)…to try and keep him. Because that obviously worked so well for Miami.
It was the right move though. You do whatever you can to keep the best player. If it doesn’t work out like drafting Napier didn’t work out, it’s still the right move because it gave you a chance. There’s no reason not too. Just like when the Cavs were going to maybe lose Lebron you do everything possible to keep him. Look what happened when he left. The Cavs fell off the face of the earth for 4 years. Look at what’s happening to Miami now. Lebron has more of an impact on a team than any other player in… Read more »
I liked the Shabazz Napier pick regardless of the LeBron thing. Though passing on K.J. McDaniel, Bogdan Bogdanovic, and Kyle Anderson to take 6’1″ Napier was probably not the right draft move, Shabazz is close enough to them as a prospect, that I make the move if it tilts the LeBron scales. He wasn’t Romeo Travis.
Hate to be Captain Hindsight but we wouldn’t have these issues if Chris Grant had just drafted the obvious pick instead of outsmarting himself. See: Valanciunas, Drummond, Noel
Yeah and if we would of had a better cast around Lebron the first time we wouldn’t of lost him and we wouldn’t of had those first round picks. Or better yet if the magic were not so damn hot shooting we might of went to the finals and won. That what if and should of game is painful. I wouldn’t have these issues if I would just root for the Spurs.
Yuck. The Spurs? Just no. Nope nope nope. Do not want to root for that team.
TT isn’t any worse than big V. The Drummond narrative really is hindsight. People forget how much his stock had fallen. Is Waiters better than Dummond? Probably. And Noel, well, yeah. Gum Drop was the worst. But if you’re going to play that game, why don’t you go for Kawhi Leonard or Klay Thompson in 2011, Damian Lillard in 2012, and Giannis and (my man) Rudy Gobert in 2013?
latest( and greatest ) rumor—-from nbatraderumors—-have cavs trading harriss/ and future 1st rd pick for Jordan hill / lakers—-what is everyone’s feelings on this
Well Jordan Hill is a terrible player who puts up just ok stats. There’s guys off the street who can do that. Terrible trade.
If Griff agrees to THAT trade, then he’s officially lost his mind.
Sources indicate that Brian Windhorst has another three narrative-changing stories in the bag for the rest of the season. My favorite is the part about LeBron ‘looking at Tyrone Lue’ on the sidelines instead of David Blatt (has anyone actually documented this?), indicating a nice subtheme he (the tubby scribe) can flesh out into a later essay sometime after a bad loss in February about how Lue’s time has come, and only he can rescue the Cavs. Has anyone considered the possibility that Brian Windhorst wrote about 15 stories over the summer covering the events of the Cavs this season?… Read more »
Do what I do and just don’t click on ANY Windhorst story links. Don’t feed the beast.
just revisited last years game dec 23rd vs Detroit ( was at that game—Detroit thrashed us 115-93 ) read last years blogs—–eerie similar to todays blogs and it was the beginning of the end of the ” BYNUM ” ERA”—just found it very coincidental almost a year to the day –same team—same result–same emotions after the contest—seems like the pistons bring out the worst in us—oh by the way HAPPY BIRTHDAY LEBRON !!
Except now we have actual talent. Last year we had none.
And we are only 5 1/2 games out of first place. If you didn’t know the specifics but were told that after a third of the season we are that close to first in EC most people would of been ok I was hoping a little better but that seems completely realistic and positive. We sucked last year and many years before but right now we are in the playoffs with lots of room to improve. We lost two key players on a team with the majority being new to the team let alone new coaching staff. I believe we… Read more »
Yep. CtB is back to emo blog
As far as available athletic guys, Xaviar Henry is available now. http://www.nba.com/2014/news/12/28/lakers-black-henry.ap/
Like that move.
I think the team is largely fine. I also don’t blame LeBron for not putting out MVP effort. We saw what that did to the team in the playoffs from 08-10. One guy who goes off, a bunch of others spectating. I think they pull it all together by April.
Yep x 1000009999999099900293939303093939
I think this team will slowly abandon the current approach to defending Pick and Roll action. I also think Kevin Love needs a really good weakside help defender next to him at the 5 spot, as much as possible. He is a really instinctive rebounder, but rebounding position and rim protection position are rarely the same spot. He cleans up the possession, but the Cavs need someone else in the paint to help make sure it ends with a board, not a bucket. TT only serves that purpose in certain match-ups, and he hasn’t perfected it yet. But if the… Read more »
to follow up on that analogy—along with being a high school basketball coach I am also the track coach and I always use the expression ” THE HARDER YOU TRY THE SLOWER YOU GET “—IT IS PROVEN TIGHT MUSCLES WILL NOT PERFORM AS WELL AS RELAXED MUSCLES—-so there might be a case where we are trying ” too hard ” especially on the offensive end to execute instead of just playing basketball—but then there is no excuse for lack of effort on the defensive end—although when you struggle to score you put that much more pressure on your defense to… Read more »
Nate, I applaud you for not rage quiting on the recap for this game. I just watched it this morning because I was too frustrated. The Cavs aren’t as deep as they should be. I agree with that; however, they aren’t trying as hard as they can and I don’t think adding any player to the team will fix that. At this point, I need the team to try on defense. Kevin Love gets man baskets and so does Lebron. They can both still score with three guys draped on them, why can’t they defend one person. Also, if they… Read more »
So I used to play squash, not incredibly well, but not horribly, I was a reasonable player, and there were times when I would go against someone who I knew I was better than, and I’d rush out to a lead, or even not that much of a lead, but I could see that I was better than the other guy (at least in terms of skill level, often not so much in terms of conditioning), and then I’d sort of let up, like there was a switch that would flip, and then I was screwed unless I was a… Read more »
welcome back cols—-we missed you—need your positive energy !!!
This comment board is infuriating right now. Griffin got us Lebron and Love and people want him fired? How dumb. Does everyone have such a short memory that they forgot what it was like before we go LeBron here? Like 2010-2014 was awful.
And pre LeBron, post Mark Price? Awful. Get your heads together. Griffin has done a fantastic job so far. I’m sure they’ll get more pieces next year. But even as is, this team is going to the Finals.
Yeesh.
I think the biggest problem facing the Cavs right now is the expectation created by this offseason, combined with the recent memory of the Heatles. “Year 1 in Miami” gets mentioned alot, but it should be pointed to more often as the most recent proof that when you make FRANCHISE-ALTERING free-agent acquisitions, its impossible to also work out all of the supporting cast in the same swing. That team actually had the benefit of Pat Riley in the background, and a (relatively) trusted coach who was already in place. Those elements are what’s being pointed at as the problems here,… Read more »
Big Z’s re-animated corpse, Joel Anthony, Juwan Howard, Mike Bibby, Eddie House. These dudes all played serious minutes for that team.
I agree with over inflated expectation over the summer. How many teams go from the drags of the league and rise to champions in one year? I believe the celtics were the only one and I don’t know enough to compare. The fact we are in fifth place firmly and we have played as inconsistent as we have shows great promise. I also agree that is frustrating to watch limited effort and ball movement on our off nights. In the long run could make this team a whole lot stronger to overcome media attention, losing badly, even getting booed by… Read more »
Griffin did not get the Cavs lebron. The Cavs got lucky to be his hometown team and he simply decided to return. It is still very questionable whether that Kevin Love trade was a good one.
ugh just ugh this is nuts. We have leb and love. Quit complaining. Go root for the sixers.
What about ron?
Love the Cavs. Just pointing out the obvious. David Griffin did nothing to get the Cavs Lebron. Lebron made that decision all his own, based mostly on his place of birth. And if you think the Kevin Love trade is a “win” for the Cavs based on a thirty game sample size, then I don’t know what to tell you.
just read LeBron’s support statements of blatt on nba .com—hoping they are sincere—–the ” wind(bag’s )horst’s / media are going to be ” microscopic in their perceptions and pounce on every little ” negative ” fiber in order to be THE ” LEAD DOG ” in obtaining a scoop —we fans / players need to get used to it—it will be there all season and if ‘ WE ” let them they will tear this team apart—- ALL FOR ONE / ONE FOR ALL—-going to go finish the last of my CHRISTMAS ALES and relax !!
I think that sounds like an awesome plan, Nomad. Cheers!
do we really miss kyrie / andy that much—-is kyrie actually the mvp on this team ?
I think we do miss them more than it might appear. We are still struggling to have any consistency and when you remove two starters (even if Andy might have been better off bench) it will effect us more than other teams. Kyrie will make others so much more effective because you can not take your eyes off of him and even if he holds the ball and gets into ISO stuff he is moving unlike Bron. Andy has the contagious energy we need daily and they are both the leaders of last years team to help with continuity.
If I had to pick between Kyrie and Lebron right now – I’d take Kyrie.
In a heartbeat. From the first tip of the first game of the season.
Completely agree.
If this roller coaster has Blatt in its lead car and LBJ in its caboose, and, the only thing left is for the two to climb out and duke it out, then, Cavs 3.0 is a fifth or sixth place team with a coaching change on the horizon. LBJ is averaging 7.6 assists and 3.8 turnovers per game. Ty Lawson is at 10.3/3.1. Were Blatt to do the logical thing and return LeBron to off-the-ball and LBJ refuses, then, obviously, Blatt gets canned. Of course Blatt won’t do this, and so we’ll be treated to lots of hero-ball, stagnant half… Read more »
I’m still thinking that this was all blown out of proportion by Windy. . .
I’m sorry, I don’t see Gilbert taking Lebron over Blatt at this time. I don’t see Cavs fans giving Lebron a long leash this time around after what happened last time.
This is the most nutty thing I’ve read all day. If LeBron wants Blatt fired, you fire Blatt. I don’t think he does and it looks like a Windhorst blowing out of proportion for clicks column.
But if you have to choose between a top 5 NBA player of all time and a rookie coach, you choose the player without even blinking.
Quit being crazy. Go root for the Pistons if you want to root for a team without a star.
AGREE WITH YOU RAOL—-ZELLER / LIVINGSTON WOULD BE HUGE BENCH IMPROVEMENTS—-STILL BELIEVE THAT IS ONE OF OUR ( ALONG WITH RIM PROTECTOR ) BIGGEST CONCERNS—–LEBRON / LOVE HAVE PLAYED TOO MANY MINUTES ALREADY—MIGHT BE SOME OF THE PROBLEM—-NOT TRYING TO MAKE THAT AS AN EXCUSE FOR ” LACK OF EFFORT ” YESTERDAY—-BUT AT THE START OF THE SEASON THE INTENT WAS FOR ABOUT 32 MINUTES / GAME AT THE MOST—-THEY ARE AVG 40 OR MORE
I haven’t watched the game, which maybe I should, but let’s not get too carried away. Losing Andy for the season is a major bummer. LeBron feeds off of Andy’s energy on the court, and I think he’s going through an adjustment to the reality of that injury. Yesterday was a perfect storm of hot shooting, Kyrie being out, SVG Kryptonite, and Marion hurting his ankle. Statistically, anyways, the blowout is from shooting 17% from 3 (5-29). If they shoot 35% that’s 5 more made baskets and 15 points. Why has the shooting been so bad the last couple of… Read more »
Griffin’s only mistake was overpaying for Love, and it is likely that LeBron insisted on it. Otherwise, what did you expect him to do? They had to give away Jack and Zeller to clear salary room for LeBron. Otherwise, since there was no money left, they could only sign FA’s that would play for the minimum, like LeBron’s pals. The biggest problem is being short handed. If you could add Zeller and Jack to the current team, they would have about 4 more wins. If you could add Livingston and Spights, they would have about 7 more. But there is… Read more »
Griff has missed at least a dozen opportunities to add to the athleticism/depth of this team. Look at all the free agents the Cavs passed up that could be helping right now (Ekpeh Udoh, Josh Harrellson, Mickael Pietrus, Tarik Black…). Cleveland surely could have traded up from 33 to get a better player than Joe Harris. K.J. McDaniel, Bogdan Bogdanovic, or Kyle Anderson… Passing on Cory Brewer was a mistake. Instead of dumping one of the many guys at the end of the roster to hold on to Bogans for his contract, he traded the contract for an exception which… Read more »
Get a jolt of reality here. A lot of your suggested moves were impossible. For example, how could they sign Tarik Black when a team with a higher pick already signed him?
Didn’t know the details. Thought he cleared wavers. My bad on that one. Every other one though.
The only mistake was Brewer, and it sounds like the Rockets had more second rounders to offer. I don’t think it’s fair to say Udoh, Harrellson or Pietrus would be a massive improvement. And it sounds like the Lakers were just the first of many on the waiver wire order that had a shot at Black before the Cavs would have.
Seems like Lebron is testing his boundaries and seeing what he can get away with. He did it to Spoelstra, but Riley backed Spo, and James complied. Gilbert/Griffin might act differently. I think Blatt is one hell of a coach, and if he gets fired I blame Lebron for just being a stubborn ass.
I hated the Wiggins trade when it happened b/c I just didn’t see KLove as a superstar in this league, his bloated stats aside. I talked myself into the trade as the season neared, and actually convinced myself that it was a good trade by the season opener. Looks like my initial reaction was correct. KLove looks vastly overrated, and even if Wiggins/Bennett don’t pan out, at least we didn’t waste them as trade chips for a player who looks more and more likely to leave as the season progresses. Oh, and LeBron should get back on the juice ASAP.
I agree (and about the juice comment too!) and felt the same way at the time of the trade… but I still think K-Love can be a huge asset on this team if LBJ will let Blatt run a ball-movement offense that uses him well.
Can you imagine him playing the Duncan role in the post, with LBJ, Kyrie, and Dion cutting like Kawhi, Parker and Manu?
I was giddy with excitement thinking that was the going to be the offense we were going to get with Blatt.
And then the return of LeEgo reduced it all to hero-ball stagnancy.
LeGo ball. I like it. Too much Kraggle on the sticky ball.
COLS WHERE ARE YOU WHEN WE A ” POSITVE ” SPIN ON THINGS—-MEDIA DOING ALOT OF TROLLING ( BECAUSE BASICALLY CAVS HAVE GIVEN THEM REASONS TO TROLL )—BAD PART EVEN IF IT ONLY REMOTELY TRUE THE MORE IT IS WRITTEN AND READ —IT BECOMES A SELF FULLFILLED PHROPHECY—-OUR SO CALLLED OLDER ATHLETES ( MARION / MILLER / JONES ) ARE NOT PRESENT ON A CONSISTENT / DAILY / GAME BASIS—-ARE GETTING OUTPLAYED BY THE YOUNGER MORE ATHLETIC PLAYERS—-WE PLACED TO MUCH CREDIT / RELIABILITY ON GUYS THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY PASS THEIR PRIME—–NEED TO GET SOME YOUNG ATHLETIC TALENT / ESPECIALLY… Read more »
Griffin should get fired for putting this roster together.
Why stop there? Gilbert should sell the team and go back to Detroit. Not enough? Okay, he should sell it to the Rooney family and they can move the Cavs to Pittsburgh. How about that? PLEASE STOP with the “so and so should be fired” mantra. They’re 30 games in. The problem isn’t the coach, it’s the players. There have been numerous reports of Griffin knocking on many other GM’s doors trying to pry away rim protecting big men. The majority of people weren’t complaining about all the brilliant moves Griffin made this summer. Yeah, KLove has been a bit… Read more »
The roster has many holes in the beginning because of the trades to assemble the big 3. You can’t expect the big 3 to carry the loads when there’re so many weakness that need to be covered up with a filled out roster. I don’t think a rim protector would help the defensive woes, it’s the consistency and effort that need to be shown by the players.
Great, so what’s your plan W the GM? Where would you like to start?
Take it easy bud.
Can’t begin to say how relieved I am — LBJ’s lapdog Windy aside — that the media is finally starting to reject the prohibition on writing negative stories about lebron’s so-called “leadership” (aka all talk and no walk — or defense and rebounding) unless the cavs as a franchise can find some way to estalblish some kind of counterbalance to his influence (see riley, pat; wade, dwyane) his monstrous ego is going to hold it hostage and cripple it yet again (see ferry, danny “trade history”). The tragic thing about lebron is that I truly believe a lot of what… Read more »
Couldn’t say any better, Lebron is killing this team.
Blatt is a confident dude, and I think there will eventually be a Blatt v. LeBron meeting. Hopefully they can hash it out because LBJ could really learn a ton from him. And the team would fall in line quickly if LBJ takes the lead.
I agree and It will probably take a really poor performance like last night and the recent blame from media to speed it up. It is the only hope the coach has otherwise he will be blamed.
Oh, just like when LBJ had a meeting with Wade and then went on to with the Final!!
Cavs fans are generally forgiving and excieted to have Lebron back. However, with the history that is there it’s possible we could see a fan backlash unlike any that has ever been seen in the NBA. This Manziel fiasco isn’t going to help Lebron, either. This is Cleveland, and there won’t be any appeasing of Lebron this time around.
@ZachLowe_NBA: Just be warned: Kevin Love is almost surely next on the Cavs scapegoat flow chart. The rumblings are coming.
The media is really piling on today…
Just be glad it’s Black Monday in the NFL, or it would be so much worse. I’m not going to click on ANY ESPN links today or tomorrow (other than C:tB ones that is).
Also Kyrie is a moron for trying to drive into 3 players on XMas when the game was essentially over. What the hell was he thinking?
By the way, forgot to add, thanks for the entertaining write-up Nate! As bad as this game was, your recap of it made me smile and thus added some brightness to my otherwise dreary Cleveland sports hangover.
Horrible game that I admittedly stopped watching two minutes into the fourth and switched to football. I feel bad for the fans that had to pay to see that excuse for an NBA game. Worst loss of the season and that includes the home opener to the Knicks, the blowout loss to Atlanta and the loss in Miami. All that said, I’m with Nate and find it laughable that the media trolls and even some people on this board are calling for Blatt’s job 30 games in. This is not a coaching issue. This is an effort and execution issue.… Read more »
Completely agree with what you’re saying. But apparently LeBron tried to get Spo fired in Miami, and the only difference in that scenario was that Spo had Riley in his corner. Blatt doesn’t really having anyone, maybe Griffin, but that doesn’t really matter with an inpatient owner like Dan Gilbert. I truly hope they can come to terms. And yes Griffin needs to make a trade and get some players in here that can actually play. I think if we had a decent center with some tude it might help Loves game a bit.
Good post, Evil Gnievel. First, I think Windy has blown everything out of proportion. But, if not, we have some player acting like our spoiled Browns and if I was the owner I’d let Lebron go before I’d let Blatt go.
Thanks UDog. Yes, Windhorst has blown things out of proportion in his incessant efforts to be relevant. I don’t think Gilbert can afford to let LBJ go, just like I don’t think LBJ can afford to do anything else with his career other than try and win the Cavs a title. They are, for better and worse, stuck with each other.
Arch, do you have some tangible proof that LBJ tried to get Spo fired? Or just a bunch of Windhorst conjecture?
I was thinking the same thing. If he did, I never heard about it.
I do recall people questioning Spo when they got off to a slow start the first year Lebron got there. I didn’t hear anything after that. And it wasn’t Lebron led.
Yeah, I remember rooting for it to happen since I was still bummed out about how LBJ left and was certainly rooting for the Miami experiment to fail miserably. And I do remember conjecture about it at the time, but I don’t ever remember anyone credible saying that LBJ tried to get Spo fired.
@ESPNSteinLine: Story posting now co-scribed w/ @WindhorstESPN: Sources say there’s growing concern within Cavs about how team is responding to David Blatt
Wow. The absolute worst part of the article is the quote below. I specifically remember when LeBron said this in one of his post-game pressers. He was talking about a SINGLE PLAY within one game in which he felt he had an advantage on the defense in transition so he ignored Blatt’s play call. Stein and Windhorst are now using that quote to imply that James has unilaterally changed their whole offensive system for numerous games in a row without talking to Blatt. Unreal. Totally slimy. Windy, what has become of you? “And James acknowledged recently that he did not… Read more »
I’d love to see LeBron come out and refute this article by saying that he has Blatts back 100%. We need some damn stability.
Look at Windy. Still desperate to stay relevant. What a joke he’s become.
As a Cleveland fan, I fear the worst… Meaning that this thing gets blown up after LeBron and Love depart in the off-season. Then Kyrie demands a trade.
LBJ can’t go anywhere, it would hurt his brand.
I’ve wondered how much his Q rating factored into his decision to return, and whether from a basketball perspective he quickly regretted it–which might explain the lack of effort, calling out of teammates and tuning out of Blatt. Can’t believe I ponied up for League Pass to watch this kind of ball.
oh man, Phil, the only good feeing I had last night was knowing that I did NOT pony up for League Pass yet.
I could see Love leaving since that’s been a part of the narrative. But where would LBJ go? Back to Miami? To the Spurs or Mavs? Go join Melo in NYC? He’s really left himself no viable options but to play out the rest of his career in Cleveland.
“I want him to stop talking in “we” and start talking in “I,” because LeBron was not very good tonight, and he’s hurting his teammates.”
Thank you. My thoughts exactly – reading other recaps, was wondering if I was the only one noticing the lack of leadership and personal accountability…
Or, as LeBron would actually say – “myself”
Will you be equally ok with it if he keeps talking in “I” terms after a few roster changes when the wins start adding up? “I played really well tonight, and won us the game. I am the glue that holds good teams together because I am really good at maximizing other guys’ abilities.” I doubt it. That would be “self-centered”. Lebron has always had a great feel for what is ok to say, and what isn’t. That’s only increased over time. He generally gives the drama-mill very little to work with these days, on purpose. Appreciate that, dont nitpick… Read more »
I don’t know – I have always enjoyed watching LBJ play, but have always thought his attitude towards coaches were strange. Or perhaps it’s ‘innovative’, or a sharp departure from the Jordan/Kobe/Duncans of the world.
In short – he comes off as trying to get rid of Blatt the way he tried to get rid of Spoelstra (whether its shades of truth or not, the perception is unmistakable). Unfortunately unlike with the Heat, it just might work this time.
Wow glad I missed this one. Geez
Chances are, you may want to miss the next one too. The only hope may be that LBJ gets his mojo back for his 30th birthday.
Tristan was the only positive from the game. He’s been really solid lately.
TT doing everything he needs to so he can earn a big paycheck. Not a knock, since I’m thrilled to see him living up to his potential this year. At times it seems like he’s taking on three and four guys under the basket for rebounds.
Blatt has to give Bron a vacation. Have him take 6-7 games off. Let the other guys try to win without him. They rely on him way too much.
They don’t have a choice but to rely on him. When he’s out of the game, they run plays and move off the ball like you’d expect from a Blatt team.
I noticed this as well; when Lebron went down for a few minutes against Miami, the ensuing five minutes with Lebron in the locker room was the best the Cavs looked the whole game. High energy, lots of movement, exciting basketball. Lebron is not dailed in….and people are starting to call him out on it. The Plain Dealer ran a “chill mode” article. I don’t know what’s in Lebron’s head, but something is not right. Lebron seems to think he can sleepwalk his way to being a savior. Things are going to get ugly real soon if he keeps this… Read more »
They already booed him in the Pistons game. How often has THAT happened in either of his tenures?